Af/Pak & Other News (12/17/2011)

[dump...@hotmail.com]

MV-22 crew given medals for action in Afghanistan:

http://alert5.com/2011/12/18/mv-22-crew-given-medals-for-action-in-afghanistan/



UK govt pressed over US drone strikes in Pakistan:

http://news.yahoo.com/uk-govt-pressed-over-us-drone-strikes-pakistan-155620361.html;_ylt=Aqk3BPWyQJY9um.lyMRFdjoBxg8F;_ylu=X3oDMTQydWQ1dDlqBG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBXb3JsZFNGIEFzaWFTU0YEcGtnA2EzYTk4ZWE1LWYyZTktM2Y1OC1hNzQwLTJlMjRmODkyYjA5YgRwb3MDNwRzZWMDdG9wX3N0b3J5BHZlcgNmMDI1M2EwMC0yOGM3LTExZTEtODdmZi04NDM5YTZiMTg0YTM-;_ylg=X3oDMTF1N2kwZmpmBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZHxhc2lhBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3



11 Afghan Police Kidnapped By Militants Freed:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/17/11-afghan-police-kidnapped-by-militants-freed/



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Other news:



Arab League considers turning to UN over Syria:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hAVhWB7FlVaevvztqWqBdrelzQjg?docId=2ee7927d30644683a62bc0a0286dc3c0



Pentagon Chief Sees Close Partnership with Libya:

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=8594386&c=AME&s=AIR



Egypt soldiers charge Tahrir Square after night of violence:

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/17/9513165-egypt-soldiers-charge-tahrir-square-after-night-of-violence



India told Russia to deliver Admiral Gorshkov on time:

http://alert5.com/2011/12/18/india-told-russia-to-deliver-admiral-gorshkov-on-time/



Iran says arrests another CIA spy:

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-says-arrests-another-cia-spy-125239233.html;_ylt=AvBYmc4X8JuV89YlBpOrMyBvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTRiOW1hdWhrBGNjb2RlA3ZzaGFyZWFnMgRtaXQDVG9wU3RvcnkgV29ybGRTRgRwa2cDZmI2NzJiZGQtNWRhNS0zMTNmLWFlMDUtZjY4ZmI2YTY1NzI0BHBvcwMxMARzZWMDdG9wX3N0b3J5BHZlcgMzNDRjYmI1MC0yOGFlLTExZTEtYmNlZC1iMDEwNWRjMDgzYTA-;_ylg=X3oDMTFwZTltMWVnBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZARwdANzZWN0aW9ucwR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3



NATO Ends Iraq Training Mission:

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=8595072&c=ASI&s=LAN



Iraq requests possible F-16 follow-on deal:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/iraq-requests-possible-f-16-follow-on-deal-365934/



Republicans mock Obama on lost drone:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Republicans_mock_Obama_on_lost_drone_999.html



U.S. SF troops ‘deployed forward’ in central Africa:

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/12/15/u-s-sf-troops-deployed-forward-in-central-africa/



The War Of The Watchers:

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsf/articles/20111217.aspx



Israel hosts Italian Air Force for joint training exercise:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-hosts-italian-air-force-for-joint-training-exercise-1.401991



Russian general threatens to target European anti-missile shield with
nukes:

http://alert5.com/2011/12/17/russian-general-threatens-to-target-european-anti-missile-shield-with-nukes/



North Korea Agrees to Suspend Uranium Enrichment: Reports:

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=8594299&c=AME&s=TOP



US Navy expects to base ships in Singapore:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_Navy_expects_to_base_ships_in_Singapore_999.html



Bradley Manning Informant Reported Second Person for Aiding WikiLeaks:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/12/lamo-katz/



Six defense satellites launched by Soyuz rocket:

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/soyuz/vs02/111217launch/



Casket photo sparks investigation at Lackland:

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/12/air-force-lackland-casket-photo-investigation-121311w/

[Andrew Swallow]

On 18/12/2011 03:38, dump...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Russian general threatens to target European anti-missile shield with
> nukes:
>
> <http://alert5.com/2011/12/17/russian-general-threatens-to-target-european-anti-missile-shield-with-nukes >

It makes it easier to tell friends from enemies when your enemies confess.

Andrew Swallow

[Jim Yanik]

Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:S8CdnTcglqxmQ3DT...@bt.com:

it's puzzling that the Russians fear a defensive ABM system so
much,particularly when it's such a limited system.
They would have no problem overwhelming our ABM system.
And it can't be used offensively,nor against cruise missiles or aircraft.

I suspect they must have some plans/"options" to threaten us with single
nuclear ballistic missile launches,and an ABM system would negate that
threat.
Such as nuking a single military base or city,and daring us to retaliate
when the stated consequence of that would be all-out nuclear war if we
fired even a single nuke in response.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

[Dean Markley]

On Dec 18, 3:33 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
> Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btinternet.com> wrote innews:S8CdnTcglqxmQ3DT...@bt.com:

>
> > On 18/12/2011 03:38, dumpst...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> Russian general threatens to target European anti-missile shield with
> >> nukes:
>
> >> <http://alert5.com/2011/12/17/russian-general-threatens-to-target-euro
> >> pean-anti-missile-shield-with-nukes >
>
> > It makes it easier to tell friends from enemies when your enemies
> > confess.
>
> > Andrew Swallow
>
> it's puzzling that the Russians fear a defensive ABM system so
> much,particularly when it's such a limited system.
> They would have no problem overwhelming our ABM system.
> And it can't be used offensively,nor against cruise missiles or aircraft.
>
> I suspect they must have some plans/"options" to threaten us with single
> nuclear ballistic missile launches,and an ABM system would negate that
> threat.
> Such as nuking a single military base or city,and daring us to retaliate
> when the stated consequence of that would be all-out nuclear war if we
> fired even a single nuke in response.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> localnet
> dot com

Your theory has some credibility. I suspect the Russians find this
sort of action one of the few remaining ways they can claim great
status.

[Andrew Swallow]

Or possibly they do not trust anything where they are not the boss.

We can build the network without their approval, it just will not
protect Russia.

Andrew Swallow

[Jim Yanik]

Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in

news:N8Kdnak6x5wx43PT...@bt.com:

Russia wanted in on a ABM system(on their terms),but that would have given
them "veto" capability.They wanted the ability to "turn off" the ABM system
if they desired.

>
> We can build the network without their approval, it just will not
> protect Russia.
>
> Andrew Swallow
>

Russia protects Russia by REALISTICALLY threatening swift and massive
retaliation. They don't dither or fool around. Example;Georgia.
it's sort of Teddy Roosevelt's "walk softly and carry a big stick"
paradigm.
If you appear strong and determined (to others),people don't mess with
them.
Look weak,and others begin testing you.