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USAF: F-35B cannot generate enough sorties to replace A-10
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Daryl
May 17, 2012, 2:03:28 PM5/17/12
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The US Air Force has concluded that the short take-off vertical
landing (STOVL) Lockheed Martin F-35B- model aircraft cannot
generate enough sorties to meet its needs; therefore the service
will not consider replacing the Fairchild Republic A-10 Warthog
close air support jet with that variant.
Meanwhile, the USAF and the US Navy are hoping to more closely
integrate their forces as part of the US Department of Defense's
(DoD) new AirSea battle concept.
"The F-35B is well-suited to support of the Marine Air Ground
Taskforce (MAGTF) in very austere locations," says USAF chief of
staff Gen Norton Schwartz, speaking at an event hosted by the
Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. "But the reality is, is
that scenario is not a high sortie generation scenario."
The USAF and the US Navy need greater sortie generation rates
than the F-35B can provide, Schwartz says.
"What we think is needed is high sortie generation in order to
provide persistence over the target and to engage the variety of
targets that may exist," he says. "Not in a confined battlespace,
but more on a theatre basis."
The F-35B is an interesting aircraft, Schwartz says. But while
the USAF had at one time considered the variant as a potential
replacement for the A-10, given the fiscal constraints the
services faces and the need to generate more sorties, the USAF
will not buy the F-35B, he says.
Retired Lt Gen George Trautman, a former US Marine Corps (USMC)
deputy commandant for aviation, disputes Schwartz's assertion
that the F-35B cannot generate as many sorties as the A or C
model aircraft.
"The F35B has highest sortie generation rate among the three JSF
[Joint Strike Fighter] variants," Trautman says. "There may be
other reasons the air force doesn't want the B, but sortie rate
isn't a factor."
In fact, the USMC's concept of operations depends on the STOVL
variant generating more sorties more rapidly than other JSF
models, says retired USMC Lt Gen Emerson Gardner, a former naval
aviator.
The key performance parameters (KPP) for the F-35 require higher
sortie rates for the B-model at four sorties per day. The A and C
models are only required to generate three sorties per day.
"So far in SDD [System Development and Demonstration], all three
variants are on track to exceed their KPPs at the completion of
SDD," Gardner says. "The B looks to come in at about six sorties
per day, the A at about 3.5 and the C at close to four."
While USAF will not consider buying the F-35B, the service is
fully committed to buying its own conventional take-off F-35A
variant. Fighters like the stealthy F-35 are not in any danger of
being replaced by unmanned combat aircraft anytime in the near
future because those machines are not yet capable of flying in
airspace protected by advanced integrated air defence systems.
"The reality is, is that at least in the current [generation], a
remotely piloted aircraft cannot survive in contested airspace,"
Schwartz says.
Stealthy fifth-generation fighters, the Northrop Grumman B-2, the
nascent USAF Long Range Strike Bomber (LRS-B), are critical
capabilities for the US military to operate inside
anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) environments.
Those types of aircraft "will allow us to operate within
contested airspace and assert our access," Schwartz says, "Which
is the fundamental tenant of AirSea battle."
The DoD's new AirSea battle concept, while still integrating the
USMC and US Army, is primarily driven by the USN and USAF. At its
most basic level, the concept calls for the seamless integration
of USN and USAF assets so that the two service's aircraft, ships,
submarines and space assets all work together, says USN chief of
naval operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert.
"Our links need to be similar," Greenert says, "Or minimally
compatible."
Eventually, if everything goes according to the USAF and USN
vision, a USAF Boeing E-3 Sentry or USN Northrop Grumman E-2D
Hawkeye could seamlessly share a common picture with an Aegis
cruiser and F-22 or Boeing F/A-18 at the same time.
The two services are already working on a next generation
data-link to share all that information, Schwartz says. But for
existing legacy platforms, there will need to be "gateways", like
the Battlefield Airborne Communications Node (BACN).
But there is the danger of information overload. At the senior
leadership level, the air or maritime joint component commanders
might not need to know all of the detailed information that the
other needs. Already, there might be too much extraneous data,
Greenert says. In the future, that information will need to be
filtered properly.
"I don't want to everything that the air component commander
knows," he says. "We're already almost overloaded from that
perspective we want to share what the...critical contacts of
interest are cross domain."
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-f-35b-cannot-generate-enough-sorties-to-replace-a-10-371985/
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landing (STOVL) Lockheed Martin F-35B- model aircraft cannot
generate enough sorties to meet its needs; therefore the service
will not consider replacing the Fairchild Republic A-10 Warthog
close air support jet with that variant.
Meanwhile, the USAF and the US Navy are hoping to more closely
integrate their forces as part of the US Department of Defense's
(DoD) new AirSea battle concept.
"The F-35B is well-suited to support of the Marine Air Ground
Taskforce (MAGTF) in very austere locations," says USAF chief of
staff Gen Norton Schwartz, speaking at an event hosted by the
Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. "But the reality is, is
that scenario is not a high sortie generation scenario."
The USAF and the US Navy need greater sortie generation rates
than the F-35B can provide, Schwartz says.
"What we think is needed is high sortie generation in order to
provide persistence over the target and to engage the variety of
targets that may exist," he says. "Not in a confined battlespace,
but more on a theatre basis."
The F-35B is an interesting aircraft, Schwartz says. But while
the USAF had at one time considered the variant as a potential
replacement for the A-10, given the fiscal constraints the
services faces and the need to generate more sorties, the USAF
will not buy the F-35B, he says.
Retired Lt Gen George Trautman, a former US Marine Corps (USMC)
deputy commandant for aviation, disputes Schwartz's assertion
that the F-35B cannot generate as many sorties as the A or C
model aircraft.
"The F35B has highest sortie generation rate among the three JSF
[Joint Strike Fighter] variants," Trautman says. "There may be
other reasons the air force doesn't want the B, but sortie rate
isn't a factor."
In fact, the USMC's concept of operations depends on the STOVL
variant generating more sorties more rapidly than other JSF
models, says retired USMC Lt Gen Emerson Gardner, a former naval
aviator.
The key performance parameters (KPP) for the F-35 require higher
sortie rates for the B-model at four sorties per day. The A and C
models are only required to generate three sorties per day.
"So far in SDD [System Development and Demonstration], all three
variants are on track to exceed their KPPs at the completion of
SDD," Gardner says. "The B looks to come in at about six sorties
per day, the A at about 3.5 and the C at close to four."
While USAF will not consider buying the F-35B, the service is
fully committed to buying its own conventional take-off F-35A
variant. Fighters like the stealthy F-35 are not in any danger of
being replaced by unmanned combat aircraft anytime in the near
future because those machines are not yet capable of flying in
airspace protected by advanced integrated air defence systems.
"The reality is, is that at least in the current [generation], a
remotely piloted aircraft cannot survive in contested airspace,"
Schwartz says.
Stealthy fifth-generation fighters, the Northrop Grumman B-2, the
nascent USAF Long Range Strike Bomber (LRS-B), are critical
capabilities for the US military to operate inside
anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) environments.
Those types of aircraft "will allow us to operate within
contested airspace and assert our access," Schwartz says, "Which
is the fundamental tenant of AirSea battle."
The DoD's new AirSea battle concept, while still integrating the
USMC and US Army, is primarily driven by the USN and USAF. At its
most basic level, the concept calls for the seamless integration
of USN and USAF assets so that the two service's aircraft, ships,
submarines and space assets all work together, says USN chief of
naval operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert.
"Our links need to be similar," Greenert says, "Or minimally
compatible."
Eventually, if everything goes according to the USAF and USN
vision, a USAF Boeing E-3 Sentry or USN Northrop Grumman E-2D
Hawkeye could seamlessly share a common picture with an Aegis
cruiser and F-22 or Boeing F/A-18 at the same time.
The two services are already working on a next generation
data-link to share all that information, Schwartz says. But for
existing legacy platforms, there will need to be "gateways", like
the Battlefield Airborne Communications Node (BACN).
But there is the danger of information overload. At the senior
leadership level, the air or maritime joint component commanders
might not need to know all of the detailed information that the
other needs. Already, there might be too much extraneous data,
Greenert says. In the future, that information will need to be
filtered properly.
"I don't want to everything that the air component commander
knows," he says. "We're already almost overloaded from that
perspective we want to share what the...critical contacts of
interest are cross domain."
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-f-35b-cannot-generate-enough-sorties-to-replace-a-10-371985/
--
http://tvmoviesforfree.com
for free movies and Nostalgic TV. Tons of Military shows and
programs.
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
May 18, 2012, 1:50:17 AM5/18/12
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Daryl wrote:
> The US Air Force has concluded that
Son, do you know what the word "plagiarism" means?...look it up
> The US Air Force has concluded that
;-)
Daryl
May 18, 2012, 2:44:55 AM5/18/12
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And since I gave the cite where it came from then it's just
repeating what was there. Which the original cite was citing
somewhere else.
Guess you failed Journalism 101. What else is new.
Dean
May 18, 2012, 8:07:37 AM5/18/12
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On May 18, 1:50 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
wrote:
He has the cite right at the bottom, you illiterate impostor!
wrote:
Brian Colwell
May 18, 2012, 12:32:22 PM5/18/12
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"Dean" <dama...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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bmc
Moramarth
May 18, 2012, 2:26:56 PM5/18/12
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On May 18, 6:50 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
wrote:
anything or had an original thought in your life...
wrote:
> Daryl wrote:
> > The US Air Force has concluded that
>
> Son, do you know what the word "plagiarism" means?...look it up
>
No chance of him doing that with you then, as you've never published
> > The US Air Force has concluded that
>
> Son, do you know what the word "plagiarism" means?...look it up
>
anything or had an original thought in your life...
Jim Yanik
May 18, 2012, 11:23:35 PM5/18/12
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"Brian Colwell" <bmco...@shaw.ca> wrote in
news:lQutr.9351$FL3....@newsfe11.iad:
WHY does anyone respond to this Quin troll?
there's no jamford.edu,and he's not any Ph.D.
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jyanik
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news:lQutr.9351$FL3....@newsfe11.iad:
there's no jamford.edu,and he's not any Ph.D.
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jyanik
at
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dot com
David E. Powell
May 20, 2012, 2:41:02 PM5/20/12
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Trying to replace the A-10 with the F-35 is like trying to replace Ray
Lewis with David Beckham. Both are excellent athletes at the top of
their condition but they are focused on different missions.
Not sure the will is there to do a dedicated attack jet these days
though, the emphasis is so much on joint purpose and joint service
aircraft. Even the idea of a simple attack turboprop fighter has been
dragged out for os many years, after Sept. 11, given the terrain and
needs the US has faced, I thought one would be an easy decision for an
investment, to augment the capabilities of the A-10s, other fast
movers and helicopters.
Lewis with David Beckham. Both are excellent athletes at the top of
their condition but they are focused on different missions.
Not sure the will is there to do a dedicated attack jet these days
though, the emphasis is so much on joint purpose and joint service
aircraft. Even the idea of a simple attack turboprop fighter has been
dragged out for os many years, after Sept. 11, given the terrain and
needs the US has faced, I thought one would be an easy decision for an
investment, to augment the capabilities of the A-10s, other fast
movers and helicopters.
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