OT: Raumer-S Giant Minesweeper
Rob Arndt
SCHWERES MINENRAUMFAHRZEUG
(1944-45)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_M_5npxIZRUg/SlIjNkImsdI/AAAAAAAABJc/94VcFJeX_sE/s400/tykeryjtfrhdfg.jpg
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/raumers_1.jpg
Not satisfied with the early 1939-1940 Borgward B-series remote-
controlled mine-clearing vehicles (SdKfz 300) of lightweight
construction as expendable, by 1944 Krupp had built a Reisen (Giant)
Minenraumer (mine-clearer) of 130 tons which became known as the Krupp
Schweres Minenraumfahrzeug (Heavy Mine-Clearer) or simply the
shortened Raumer-S.
The Raumer-S was supported by 2.7 meter (almost 9 ft) diameter steel
wheels and divided into two steerable sections each driven by a 360 hp
@ 3600 rpm Maybach HL-90 engine. The monstrous vehicle pivoted in the
middle in order to keep the Raumer-S sections turning a circle a
reasonable distance while it also had the ability to reverse back
through a minefield without actually having to turn around! The front
and rear wheels were spaced differently to create a wider sweep area
as well.
Krupp designed the massive vehicle with high ground clearance and
tremendous ground pressure to detonate the mines without causing any
damage to the vehicle or harming the drivers in the two opposite
facing armored cabins. Although the prototype lacked defensive
armament, two 7.92mm MG-42s were envisioned for the cabins fore and
aft as well as a single 7.92mm MG-42 roof-mount for AA defense in the
future.
At 130 tons, this was the second heaviest German vehicle of World War
II after the 188 ton Maus tank.
http://www.amazing-planet.net/slike/maus/maus_camouflage_paint.jpg
The Raumer-S was captured intact by the U.S. Army at the end of the
war. What happened to it remains a mystery; however, there was no
other minesweeper in the world like it.
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/raumers.jpg
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/tanks/tanks-k-l/krupp_raumer_s_minenraumpanzer-25682.jpg
Rob
Daryl
Considering that it was produced in 1945, by then, the only ones
laying mines was the Germans. Talk about a total waste of money
and time. What happened to it? It was probably scrapped. At
least melted down it might have some use. It certainly was a
failure as a mine sweeper.
Hey, Nazi, you sure do know how to pick them. Your heroes were
utter failures. You are presenting this as something that
actually had a purpose. No purpose because no Allied Mines were
being lain. Why would the Allies stop and lay mines that only
they would have to cross. Guess your Nazi Buddies wanted to loan
it out so the Allies can get through the Nazi Mine Fields.
Or did the Nazis lay mines and forget where they put them in
their zeal to withdraw at such a rapid rate?
Rob Arndt
> On 4/12/2011 1:46 AM, Rob Arndt wrote:
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> > KRUPP RAUMER-S
> > SCHWERES MINENRAUMFAHRZEUG
> > (1944-45)
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Idiot again as the Germans used minesweepers in the USSR. God, you are
so stupid... but it is fun to point out HOW stupid you are time and
again!!!
Rob
Daryl
When your "Sooper Secrit" Minesweeper was introduced, the Germans
were in full retreat on both the eastern and the western fronts.
Your "Sooper Secrit" Minesweeper was a 130 tons of scrap metal.
You Nazis never learn.
Dean
> KRUPP RAUMER-S
> SCHWERES MINENRAUMFAHRZEUG
> (1944-45)
>
>
> Not satisfied with the early 1939-1940 Borgward B-series remote-
> controlled mine-clearing vehicles (SdKfz 300) of lightweight
> construction as expendable, by 1944 Krupp had built a Reisen (Giant)
> Minenraumer (mine-clearer) of 130 tons which became known as the Krupp
> Schweres Minenraumfahrzeug (Heavy Mine-Clearer) or simply the
> shortened Raumer-S.
>
> The Raumer-S was supported by 2.7 meter (almost 9 ft) diameter steel
> wheels and divided into two steerable sections each driven by a 360 hp
> @ 3600 rpm Maybach HL-90 engine. The monstrous vehicle pivoted in the
> middle in order to keep the Raumer-S sections turning a circle a
> reasonable distance while it also had the ability to reverse back
> through a minefield without actually having to turn around! The front
> and rear wheels were spaced differently to create a wider sweep area
> as well.
>
> Krupp designed the massive vehicle with high ground clearance and
> tremendous ground pressure to detonate the mines without causing any
> damage to the vehicle or harming the drivers in the two opposite
> facing armored cabins. Although the prototype lacked defensive
> armament, two 7.92mm MG-42s were envisioned for the cabins fore and
> aft as well as a single 7.92mm MG-42 roof-mount for AA defense in the
> future.
>
> At 130 tons, this was the second heaviest German vehicle of World War
>
> The Raumer-S was captured intact by the U.S. Army at the end of the
> war. What happened to it remains a mystery; however, there was no
> other minesweeper in the world like it.
>
>
> Rob
Shades of Indiana Jones!
Daryl
The secret is out. It became Pots and Pans throughout the German
Countryside.
Keith Willshaw
Shades of Lunacy when you consider the simple but effective alternative
of mounting a flail on the front of a Sherman tank.
This is another classic example of German waste of resources on a
complex uberweapon when there was a simpler cheaper alternative.
No wonder they lost the war.
Keith
Dan
> Idiot again as the Germans used minesweepers in the USSR. God, you are
> so stupid... but it is fun to point out HOW stupid you are time and
> again!!!
>
> Rob
The Nazis on the Eastern Front used prisoners, marched shoulder to
shoulder, through mine fields to clear mine fields.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Rob Arndt
> Dean wrote:
> > On Apr 12, 3:46 am, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> KRUPP RAUMER-S
> >> SCHWERES MINENRAUMFAHRZEUG
> >> (1944-45)
>
> >>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_M_5npxIZRUg/SlIjNkImsdI/AAAAAAAABJc/94VcFJe...
>
>
> >> Rob
>
> > Shades of Indiana Jones!
>
> Shades of Lunacy when you consider the simple but effective alternative
> of mounting a flail on the front of a Sherman tank.
>
> This is another classic example of German waste of resources on a
> complex uberweapon when there was a simpler cheaper alternative.
>
> No wonder they lost the war.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
And Britain won it poor and was still on war rations in 1947 and had
no atom bomb until after the USSR. Your once-great Royal Navy was also
no longer in control of the world's seas and your aviation industry
was slowly destroyed by your own Govt.
Some victory. Even the Jews in Palestine forced you out.
Rob
Dan
> And Britain won it poor and was still on war rations in 1947 and had
> no atom bomb until after the USSR. Your once-great Royal Navy was also
> no longer in control of the world's seas and your aviation industry
> was slowly destroyed by your own Govt.
>
> Some victory. Even the Jews in Palestine forced you out.
>
> Rob
Let's see; in WW1 Germany lost her empire, was starving, was
occupied,was humiliated, had been defeated at sea and on land, the
Kaiser had to run away and had to agree to Versailles or restart the
war. The UK, comes out ahead.
In WW2 Germany was obliterated, ceased to exist as a state, was
occupied, was starving, was humiliated, was on rations until well after
the war, had no heavy weapons, no military, no aircraft, had to
completely rely on the largess of the occupying forces (you know, the
ones they attacked in the first place), had no infrastructure above the
village level, had no economy, no government of her own etc. The UK
comes out ahead.
As I see it you don't have a point beyond petulance.
Why BeeDee
sour grapes:
(functioning as singular) the attitude of affecting to despise
something because one cannot or does not have it oneself
[from a fable by Aesop]
Daryl
And the country that caused all this was digging through rubble
in search of food or waiting in line at a US food kitchen for
their daily rations in 1947. Germany had no war rations outside
of what they were given by other countries, primarily the US
since Germany bombed out most of the other active countries that
controlled the Western side of Germany. And things were roses
compared to the Eastern Side.
>
> Some victory. Even the Jews in Palestine forced you out.
How little Nazi of you to say so. Britain was busy cutting loose
it's Colonies at that time. They were trying to find a graceful
way of leaving without leaving a blood bath behind. Israel was
formed by a forced cease fire between the Arabs and Israel where
the lines were drawn by who controlled what territory by the
newly formed UN.
So, little Nazi, you still aren't taking the Nazi loss very well
even today. Today, Nazism is just a cult and not a very large or
well recieved cult as it is.
Rob Arndt
Britain lost her superpower status and control of the seas as well as
the majority of her colonies to independence due to WW2.
Germany wrecked Europe from the Atlantic to within 10 miles of Moscow,
killed tens of millions, and caused the old European Colonial
Overlords to lose their empires. Britain and France were replaced by
the US and USSR in the Cold War as REAL Superpowers. And the Holocaust
for all of that evil actually got the Jews to make that exodus back to
Palestine and form the State of Israel (one positive outcome second to
the technology boom created by German weapons that eventually led to a
man on the moon).
Regardless, Germany survived and was reunified in 1990, something no
one in the 20th century thought possible.
Despite all the killing and destruction waged by Germany, it paid a
small price overall, historically, and W Germany even got aid and
rebuilt rapidly, a key part of NATO and the EU (Former EEC). Germany
is the largest nation in Europe and has the best economy. The Third
Reich should have totally destroyed Germany, but Germany recovered.
USSR needed a buffer zone from the West to fight in should war come
and the west needed Germany for NATO. Europe needed Germany to rebuild
and join the EEC. Amazing that after all that war that everyone seemed
to need Germany for something :)
Rob
Keith Willshaw
Not quite as poor as Germany of course. The British army
was involved in rebuilding Germany until 1948.
> Some victory. Even the Jews in Palestine forced you out.
>
> Rob
Couldn't resist the anti-semitic jibe huh.
Keith
Rob Arndt
How is that anti-semetic when the Brots were oppressirs???
Remember what you did to the Exodus 47 ship? Beat harmeless Jews and
then turned them back to Europe to France that rejected them and which
led to the ship sent back to Germany with the Germans mocking them
openly? Your miliitary people killed the captain of that ship and beat
people for hours not to mention the detention camps before they were
reloaded like cattle to be sent back to hated Germany.
But then again what is oppression to the British that treated Indians
and others as garbage for centuries and dumped criminals in Australia
and America?
Rob
Rob Arndt
> > On Apr 12, 3:46 am, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> KRUPP RAUMER-S
> >> SCHWERES MINENRAUMFAHRZEUG
> >> (1944-45)
>
> >>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_M_5npxIZRUg/SlIjNkImsdI/AAAAAAAABJc/94VcFJe...
>
>
> >> Rob
>
> > Shades of Indiana Jones!
>
> Shades of Lunacy when you consider the simple but effective alternative
> of mounting a flail on the front of a Sherman tank.
>
> This is another classic example of German waste of resources on a
> complex uberweapon when there was a simpler cheaper alternative.
>
> No wonder they lost the war.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Germans used remote controlled vehicles like the SdKfz 300
Minenraumpanzer III.
Rob
Daryl
> On Apr 12, 9:10 am, Dan<B24...@AOL.COM> wrote:
>> On 4/12/2011 10:42 AM, Rob Arndt wrote:
>>
>>> And Britain won it poor and was still on war rations in 1947 and had
>>> no atom bomb until after the USSR. Your once-great Royal Navy was also
>>> no longer in control of the world's seas and your aviation industry
>>> was slowly destroyed by your own Govt.
>>
>>> Some victory. Even the Jews in Palestine forced you out.
>>
>>> Rob
>>
>> Let's see; in WW1 Germany lost her empire, was starving, was
>> occupied,was humiliated, had been defeated at sea and on land, the
>> Kaiser had to run away and had to agree to Versailles or restart the
>> war. The UK, comes out ahead.
>>
>> In WW2 Germany was obliterated, ceased to exist as a state, was
>> occupied, was starving, was humiliated, was on rations until well after
>> the war, had no heavy weapons, no military, no aircraft, had to
>> completely rely on the largess of the occupying forces (you know, the
>> ones they attacked in the first place), had no infrastructure above the
>> village level, had no economy, no government of her own etc. The UK
>> comes out ahead.
>>
>> As I see it you don't have a point beyond petulance.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> Britain lost her superpower status and control of the seas as well as
> the majority of her colonies to independence due to WW2.
The days of the Colonies was ended. The same thing that ended
Britains Power on the Seas ended the being able to afford
Colonies. Colonies cost the host money and resources to maintain.
The loss of these was not by choice nor made an option. You see,
your heroes were busy taking that status away from everyone else
since Germany couldn't seem to figure out a way to aquire
colonies for themselves. If Germany can't have it, neither can
anyone else.
Of course, the attempt to bomb everyone else back to the stone
age is overlooked by you, you little playful Nazi. That left the
Americas in very good shape and Europe in shambles. But it
wasn't Britain that decided to do this. It was your adopted home
and madmen you worship.
>
> Germany wrecked Europe from the Atlantic to within 10 miles of Moscow,
> killed tens of millions, and caused the old European Colonial
> Overlords to lose their empires. Britain and France were replaced by
> the US and USSR in the Cold War as REAL Superpowers. And the Holocaust
> for all of that evil actually got the Jews to make that exodus back to
> Palestine and form the State of Israel (one positive outcome second to
> the technology boom created by German weapons that eventually led to a
> man on the moon).
Newsflash, Bullwinkle, Germany would not have been able to go to
the moon. I am sure that they would have launched some hapless
soul towards it but I doubt if anyone would have lived to get
back. If Von Braun had never existed, the US would have only
been delayed a couple of years as would the Soviets. Both had
promising programs of their own in rockets with the US ahead of
the Soviets. History would not have changed one iota.
Funny, a good little Nazi like you saying that Israel is a good
thing. But there is an underlying reason for it and I doubt if
it has anything good involved for the Jews in the rest of the
world.
>
> Regardless, Germany survived and was reunified in 1990, something no
> one in the 20th century thought possible.
And the rest of the world (minus a few) fought the cold war and
bankrupted the Soviet Union which caused them to fail. Yes, even
Britain had a hand in that, not just the US. Again, without the
US and Britain, there would have been NO reunification of
Germany. You act like it was ALL Germany that accomplished this.
Nope. Germany does get credit for helping East Germany once
the reunification was decided by all parties and that is no small
task in itself.
>
> Despite all the killing and destruction waged by Germany, it paid a
> small price overall, historically, and W Germany even got aid and
> rebuilt rapidly, a key part of NATO and the EU (Former EEC). Germany
> is the largest nation in Europe and has the best economy. The Third
> Reich should have totally destroyed Germany, but Germany recovered.
> USSR needed a buffer zone from the West to fight in should war come
> and the west needed Germany for NATO. Europe needed Germany to rebuild
> and join the EEC. Amazing that after all that war that everyone seemed
> to need Germany for something :)
the US spent billions on rebuilding Germany. It's the US that
fought to do this. The majority of Europe wanted to exact
revenge like it wanted to do when WWI ended. Once again, the US
stepped in and said no.
the Steel Mills were rebuilt with 20th century specs. It made
the German Steel the best in the world. Public Works were
rebuilt to modern standards.
Meanwhile, the US Steel Works and many public works were still in
the 19th century. The US didn't rebuild it's own. It ended up
biting us in the butt because such a good job was rebuilding
Japans Steel Mills to 20th Century as well.
Germany can thank the US during the 40s and 50s for rebuilding
it's nation. But good little Nazis like you will never admit that.
Dan
All that flag waving doesn't change some important facts: Germany
started two world wars, committed atrocities on a massive scale as a
matter of state policy and only remained useful post WW2 because of
location. Nothing you like to boast about will ever erase the stains
left by the Nazis. Your obsessions with weapons and technologies you
don't understand is meaningless in the long run. The U.S. still would
have gone to the moon without Sturmbannführer von Braun. Did the Allies
use German technology? Yes, but the Germans didn't create that in a
vacuum, they based it on thousands of years of advances.
No matter how you spin it the Nazis were a net negative for Germany.
I am sure the relatives of the tens of millions who died would have
preferred they hadn't died.
You haven't the slightest idea how cruel war is even without the
murder, torture and starvation. Go wave your flags for something
positive for a change. Maybe you could even wave your own nation's flag
for a change.
Amazing how you can justify the Holocaust and still wonder why people
call you a Nazi.
Rob Arndt
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Germany thanked the US and al Allies with the rape of its technology
and contribution to the Superpowers' space programs and ICBMs as well
as a range of tech.
Rob
p.s. I have directly helped Israel for decades through the IDF, FIDF,
and IFCJ. You can call me a Nazi a million times but all I am is a
Third Reich technology fetishist.
Rob Arndt
> use German technology? Yes, but the Germans didn't create that in a
> vacuum, they based it on thousands of years of advances.
>
> No matter how you spin it the Nazis were a net negative for Germany.
> I am sure the relatives of the tens of millions who died would have
> preferred they hadn't died.
>
> You haven't the slightest idea how cruel war is even without the
> murder, torture and starvation. Go wave your flags for something
> positive for a change. Maybe you could even wave your own nation's flag
> for a change.
>
> Amazing how you can justify the Holocaust and still wonder why people
> call you a Nazi.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am not justifying thre Holocaust no more than the Balfour
Declaration before it- but w/o German military aggression and genocide
there would be no State of Israel. Perhaps you should take your
argument up with JHWH instead of me. Remember your captivity in Egypt
and Babylon and defeat by the Romans? Your peoples' sins got you
persecuted for millennia and Germany, like Rome, was just an
instrument to get you moving. If not the Jewish people would have
stayed in those other nations and Palestine would still be on map.
You can't have it both ways. It was BECAUSE of the Holocaust that the
surviving Jews as well as others around the world knew that NOWHERE
was safe but back in their own land. And BECAUSE of Nazi Germany
everyone in Israel except those in Yeshiva serve in the IDF to protect
that nation.
Rob
Dan
> Germany thanked the US and al Allies with the rape of its technology
> and contribution to the Superpowers' space programs and ICBMs as well
> as a range of tech.
>
Once again it's "rape" when when the Germans lose, but not when they
seize from their victims? You are once again a hypocrite. Try waving the
flag of your own nation for a change.
Alan Dicey
There is a grim satisfaction in the knowledge that we committed
everything we had to the defeat of Nazi Germany, an abomination that had
to be opposed at all costs. Yes, we came out of the war comparatively
penniless: but we won, and that is all that mattered.
As for the Empire, plans were in place before the Nazi interruption to
grant independence to most of it, recognising that the legitimate
desires for independence were best served not by opposition but by a
managed handover, aiming to retain good relations with the new nations.
In that respect Ghandi did India no favours, his agitation resulting
in partition instead of a united India.
Dan
OK, Jewish sins? Another hypocrisy on your part. The Jews did nothing
to deserve the Holocaust or Inquisition. Despite your claims otherwise
your antisemitism shows through your rhetoric.
Dan
> and IFCJ.
Sure you have, I believe you, really I do. Now why do you refuse to
support your own country?
Keith Willshaw
Reading it is adequate proof
Spelling checker broken is it ?
>
> Remember what you did to the Exodus 47 ship? Beat harmeless Jews and
> then turned them back to Europe to France that rejected them and which
> led to the ship sent back to Germany with the Germans mocking them
> openly? Your miliitary people killed the captain of that ship and beat
> people for hours not to mention the detention camps before they were
> reloaded like cattle to be sent back to hated Germany.
>
Well since I wasn't born until 1952 I would argue that they were hardly
my people but you seem to have rather a lot of facts wrong. Take for
example the Captain of the ship. That was Yitzhak "Ike" Aronowicz
and he died at the age of 86 in 2009.
> But then again what is oppression to the British that treated Indians
> and others as garbage for centuries and dumped criminals in Australia
> and America?
>
> Rob
A lecture from a Nazi on human rights - what Chutzpah !
Keith
Keith Willshaw
Reading it is adequate proof
Spelling checker broken is it ?
>
> Remember what you did to the Exodus 47 ship? Beat harmeless Jews and
> then turned them back to Europe to France that rejected them and which
> led to the ship sent back to Germany with the Germans mocking them
> openly? Your miliitary people killed the captain of that ship and beat
> people for hours not to mention the detention camps before they were
> reloaded like cattle to be sent back to hated Germany.
>
Well since I wasn't born until 1952 I would argue that they were hardly
my people but you seem to have rather a lot of facts wrong. Take for
example the Captain of the ship. That was Yitzhak "Ike" Aronowicz
and he died at the age of 86 in 2009.
> But then again what is oppression to the British that treated Indians
> and others as garbage for centuries and dumped criminals in Australia
> and America?
>
> Rob
A lecture from a Nazi on human rights - what Chutzpah !
Keith
Keith Willshaw
IRC they were remote controlled because if they triggered a mine
the usual result was the destruction of the vehicle. Since only
300 were manufactured I rather doubt their effectiveness.
Keith
vaughn
"Rob Arndt" <teut...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:32a73eb4-0bd9-47b8...@d19g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> KRUPP RAUMER-S
> SCHWERES MINENRAUMFAHRZEUG
> (1944-45)
Does this subject have some relevance to military aviation that I have somehow
managed to miss?
Vaughn
Peter Twydell
<cb2e2354-58e5-4045...@24g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, Rob
Arndt <teut...@aol.com> writes
The reason I and millions of others, including the fighting men who had
defeated the Nazis, were still on rations for years after the war is
that Britain was supplying food to the starving Germans and the peoples
they had tried to enslave. People like my future wife and parents-in-law
in Amsterdam who were lucky to survive the hardships of the
Hongerwinter.
Once the Axis powers had awakened the Sleeping Giant, a small country
like the UK with a population and resources only a fraction of what the
USA had could scarcely compete on level terms as far as the size of the
armed services were concerned.
The aviation industry was pretty active up until Duncan Sandys' 1956
White Paper.
The mass migration to Israel would not have been quite so desperate had
the Nazis not done their damnedest to destroy European Jews in the first
place.
--
Peter
Ying tong iddle-i po!
Schiffner
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Really then by your own statements...none of the issues in the middle
east would have EVER happened if the NAZI's hadn't shoved the world
into a stupid ego inflating and devastating war for no reason than
sheer stupidity. Man, germans come in two types...stone stupid or
genius and some how the retards you love end up running things. heh,
seems to me you like the wrong slow ass nag.
Schiffner
> "Rob Arndt" <teuton...@aol.com> wrote in message
No it's just Rob TROLLING for attention.
Daryl
What raping. If the US had not stepped in both times at the end
of both wars and said no, Germany would have ceased to exist. In
1914 Germany was just 43 years old. In the 19th century you
attacked your neighbor for various reasons. Resources mostly.
If you won, you got your neighbors resources. Since it was
basically horse drawn armies, you took the land you wanted and
the neighbors borders changed. If you decided to completely
destroy your neighbor then you had better damn well win because
your Neighbor is now justified to completely absorb your whole
country and slaughter your current government. That's the way it
was done. The US changed that and left Germany intact twice.
it really should have been carved up like the Ottoman Empire was
at the end of WWI. There would have been NO repercussions for
completely doing away with Germany at that time. Unfortunately,
they carved up the Ottoman Empire and we are seeing the
repercussions from that today. Had they treated Germany like the
Ottoman Empire there would have been NO WWII and the cold war may
not have happened.
>
> Rob
>
> p.s. I have directly helped Israel for decades through the IDF, FIDF,
> and IFCJ. You can call me a Nazi a million times but all I am is a
> Third Reich technology fetishist.
yes, you wish to help them into the nearest ashtray.
David E. Powell
> In message
> <cb2e2354-58e5-4045-b468-14cffbcff...@24g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, Rob
> Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> writes
Yes. Many times this is lost sight of, all of Continental Europe was
shot up pretty bad. Belgium, Holland, big chunks of France, not even
to mention Poland and Eastern Europe. European Russia was devastated
too. Britain had taken a beating too, and people tend forget there
were a couple of years in the US where the economy lagged between 1945
and the 1950s boom that is so talked up by US nostalgia types.
Shifting back to a civilian centered economy was not instantaneous in
the US.
> Once the Axis powers had awakened the Sleeping Giant, a small country
> like the UK with a population and resources only a fraction of what the
> USA had could scarcely compete on level terms as far as the size of the
> armed services were concerned.
>
> The aviation industry was pretty active up until Duncan Sandys' 1956
> White Paper.
Very true, lots of projects and active companies until the mid 1950s
in the UK.
> The mass migration to Israel would not have been quite so desperate had
> the Nazis not done their damnedest to destroy European Jews in the first
> place.
Very good point.. they did want to leave for a reason.
Eunometic
This is a classic example of presumtious arrogance.
Raumer itself was a specialist vehicle to supplement other mine
clearance vehicles utilising rollers and ploughs.
For one, it was potentially much faster.
>
> No wonder they lost the war.
>
> Keith- Hide quoted text -
>
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It is known flails don't reliably detonate all the mines in the area
being swept, leaving it potentially hazardous. The clearance rate of
mine flails can approach 100%, although rates as low as 50%-60% have
been reported. Some mines, are designed to be flail resistant. Mines
that have been buried for many years may become unreliable and fail to
detonate when struck, yet they may still be hazardous. Also, some
mines are smashed without being detonated. This is referred to as a
disruptive strike and still renders the mine harmless but the ground
is contaminated with metal debris and undetonated explosive material.
This makes it harder to carry out the necessary manual check of the
area after the flail had finished, either with metal detectors or
explosive sniffer dogs. There are also anecdotes of mine flails
flinging live mines out of the mine field and into safe areas. An
experiment with inert mine-analogues demonstrated this can happen as
some were thrown over 10m by the flail, in one case, 65m.
The clearance rate of mine flails can approach 100%, although rates as
low as 50%-60% have been reported. Effective clearance requires both
suitable conditions and experienced flail operators. Current mine
flails do not operate effectively on a gradient greater than 30% or on
ground that is especially dry or boggy. A large number of rocks,
greater than around 5 centimetres in diameter, will also hamper
flailing as they will tend to shield mines from flail blows. This is a
particular problem in Lebanon so the United Nations mine clearing
operations.
In essence mine clearing opperations require multiple methods
Why BeeDee
If you're going to quote wiki verbatim, isn't it just good manners to
cite the article?
Keith Willshaw
It never entered service - another failed German weapons program.
Germany built around 300 mine roller vehicles early in the
war. They were radio controlled as finding a mine often
destroyed the vehicle. 300 one shot vehicles isnt much
help when you have millions of mines.
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> It is known flails don't reliably detonate all the mines in the area
> being swept, leaving it potentially hazardous. The clearance rate of
> mine flails can approach 100%, although rates as low as 50%-60% have
> been reported. Some mines, are designed to be flail resistant. Mines
> that have been buried for many years may become unreliable and fail to
> detonate when struck, yet they may still be hazardous. Also, some
> mines are smashed without being detonated. This is referred to as a
> disruptive strike and still renders the mine harmless but the ground
> is contaminated with metal debris and undetonated explosive material.
Which is irrelevant when the job of the flail tank is to clear a
path through an enemy minefield for an attack.
> This makes it harder to carry out the necessary manual check of the
> area after the flail had finished, either with metal detectors or
> explosive sniffer dogs. There are also anecdotes of mine flails
> flinging live mines out of the mine field and into safe areas. An
> experiment with inert mine-analogues demonstrated this can happen as
> some were thrown over 10m by the flail, in one case, 65m.
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Which is irrelevant when the job of the flail tank is to clear a
path through an enemy minefield for an attack.
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> The clearance rate of mine flails can approach 100%, although rates as
> low as 50%-60% have been reported. Effective clearance requires both
> suitable conditions and experienced flail operators. Current mine
> flails do not operate effectively on a gradient greater than 30% or on
> ground that is especially dry or boggy. A large number of rocks,
> greater than around 5 centimetres in diameter, will also hamper
> flailing as they will tend to shield mines from flail blows. This is a
> particular problem in Lebanon so the United Nations mine clearing
> operations.
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> In essence mine clearing opperations require multiple methods
However clearing a path for an attack does not. The art of using
flail tanks was leaned in North Africa to clear the 'impregnable'
mine fields Rommel laid down.
They worked very nicely. The flail vehicles still had their guns
and were protected from small arms fire and shell splinters which
could be used to drive off sappers.
Keith