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sleepy6
this to the Winter Haven police dept. where it becomes public record.
Since he released it, I figured you guys would get a kick out of it.
You can see the story at http://www.aero-news.net/indexnews1.htm until
Sunday evening (or he yanks it).
Bob
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Look Psycho,
Your delusions have obviously come full circle. Go ahead, believe in the
crooks that have defrauded, threatened and cheated your fellow flyers, you
petty little excuse for a human being. Believe what you want to believe but
you have already proven yourself bereft of veracity and common sense. Let me
make this clear. Bother us no further.
Any other communication will be met with criminal charges as harassing
communication (FL ST 784.048). You are hereby served notice to quit
harassing this organization. Go back to your delusions little man.
cc: Legal
WHPD
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863-299-8680. Fax: 863-294-3678.
Copyright (c) 1999-2001.
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It is the very purpose of life, and not
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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Metzler [mailto:sle...@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 4:23 AM
To: Editor
Subject: Re: CGS Hawk crash
Well, well, well. Hello Jim. After a little web research (just
try a web search on "zoom" for openers) I feel I know you well
enough to be on a first name basis. Or would you prefer I call
you doctor:) Looks like someone should call for a doctor
instead. You keep refering to yourself as "we". Either you are
royalty, you have a mouse in your pocket or you need help
(agian).
Actually, after checking the FACTS as shown on court and FAA
documents, I have found out that you are the kind of person that
I choose not to associate with. No wonder I could not get any
straight answers. No wonder you are biased about Hawks. I
assume your so called proof that Chuck lied is the same tired old
bs that you have been screaming for years. Sorry pal but it just
don't add up. Chuck is respected and honored in the ultralight
community and you are despised. The homebuilt community actually
hates you. Don't you ever wonder why? 15 unfounded lawsuits
didn't help matters any. No wonder the FAA and others will not
return your calls. How can you claim to be a big time journalist
when no amount of money will get you in sun-n-fun or other
activities at that site?
Cute touch to cc your "legal dept". Thats what started my
research. Feel free to do your damndest. After your other legal
screwups I doubt your "legal dept." amounts to much. Its pretty
hard to do much to me for writing a letter to an editor even in
your twisted world. BTW Did your last attorney ever collect his
fee?
Its amazing how misleading a fancy website can be but it doesn't
take much personal contact to start wondering. You really should
consider getting back in touch with the real world especially if
you want to be a journalist. If your advertisers and readers
become aware of your true situation I suspect your so called
publication will cease to exist. I for one do not care to read
your junk anymore.
Bob
Editor wrote:
>
> Mr. Metzler...
>
> We have treated you politely and been treated with falsehood, derision and
> misdirection. I am the boss here and your misinterpretation is pure and
> utter bull that we will no longer waste our time on. Period.
> Your assumption that it does not take much staff to run this place is one
of
> the most hilarious bits of bull I have yet seen. Wire reports and the like
> serve as a contact point but if you read through, you might note that
> virtually all our material is original and that your ridiculous statements
> only further serve to define your ignorance.
> Let me make this clear... we have been polite but we have wasted enough
time
> with you. Do not bother us further. Go back and read the newsgroups that
you
> are so fond of and enjoy your self induced ignorance. Please note the
legal
> caveats attached to these remarks and be advised that we have wasted
enough
> time with a guy who's mind is obviously made up without the benefit of
fact.
>
> Jim
>
> cc: Legal Staff
>
> Aero-News Network, http://aero-news.net
> POB 9132, Winter Haven, FL, 33883-9132.
> 863-299-8680. Fax: 863-294-3678.
> Copyright (c) 1999-2001.
> "Service is the rent we pay for being.
> It is the very purpose of life, and not
> something you do in your spare time."
> Marion Wright Edelman
>
> Legal Notice: The information contained in this Email is confidential and
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Metzler [mailto:sle...@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:19 AM
> To: Editor
> Subject: Re: CGS Hawk crash
>
> Editor wrote:
> >
> > Oh, bull.
> > We've reported on hundreds of other kinds of aircraft, ultralights
> included,
> > (just look through the archives) and you simply choose to ignore that
> > because YOUR ox is gored. I have answered your questions politely and
> > promptly and you have done nothing but issue false statements and the
> like.
> > We ignore NO faults in other aircraft and have been THE leader in
helping
> > people avoid potential problems in other aircraft and companies. Do your
> > homework before you make rash and ridiculous statements.
> > We have not tried to hurt anything... we just report the facts... please
> > tell me what aspects of the story are NOT factual, prove it and you may
> have
> > a point... but I know you don't.
> > And by the way.... there are a LOT of Editors here. Not all of us can
> check
> > everyone else's work--just those on duty for a particular time and area
of
> > responsibility. Do you think that every editor at every publication
checks
> > EVERY word in their respective pub? Don't be foolish... that was a dumb
> > thing to say and truly denotes your axe-grinding and editorial
ignorance.
>
> It appears that I contacted the wrong person when I clicked on
> "editor" on your links. I assumed it would send me to someone in
> authority as it would with other publications. I also assumed an
> "editor" would be able to read and comprehend the questions as
> they were written which you apparently can not.
>
> I suppose I could forward it to the "publisher" link but I
> suspect it would wind up on the same desk as the "editor" link.
> After all, if you get most of your stories from the wire and
> govt. agencies it can't take much staff. If I am wrong, please
> forward this to whomever is in charge. Maybe he or she can
> answer some of the questions I have asked instead of misreading
> them. It would be refreshing to get some straight answers.
>
> > There is no bias here and before you make any more false statements, I
> > suggest you get your facts in order.
> > As to newsgroups... what a joke. You are using THEM as a resource? Do
you
> > believe that Elvis still owns a Burger King in Peoria, too? Do you
believe
> > in little green men? Do they talk to you in your sleep?
> > That's really a stupid source to attribute any credibility to. I don't
> care
> > what's in the newsgroups... that is NOT a proper source for anything
> unless
> > you're trying to assassinate someone's character, give credence to the
> > latest kook/conspiracy theory, or start a flamewar. The idiotic
statements
> > we have seen in the newsgroups have NO place in proper journalism.
> > It is up to the investigating authorities to establish a cause... which
> they
> > have not done YET and that is why we have not suggested a cause AT ALL.
> > Enough. You have an axe to grind, that is OBVIOUS, take it someplace
> else...
> > I have work to do.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Aero-News Network, http://aero-news.net
> > POB 9132, Winter Haven, FL, 33883-9132.
> > 863-299-8680. Fax: 863-294-3678.
> > Copyright (c) 1999-2001.
> > "Service is the rent we pay for being.
> > It is the very purpose of life, and not
> > something you do in your spare time."
> > Marion Wright Edelman
> >
> > Legal Notice: The information contained in this Email is confidential
and
> > intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed.
> > No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this
> > information.
> > If this communication has been sent to you in error, please E-Mail the
> > sender and destroy the message.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Metzler [mailto:sle...@worldnet.att.net]
> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 11:09 PM
> > To: Editor
> > Subject: Re: CGS Hawk crash
> >
> > Editor wrote:
> > >
> > > Mr. Metzler...
> > >
> > > I have been patient but enough is enough... we have detailed many
> > accidents
> > > this month... only one was about the Hawk and the last time we covered
a
> > > Hawk accident was last April, if I remember correctly.
> >
> > And how many of these accidents were ultralights? Just what is
> > your policy on publishing stories of ultralight crashes? Ignore
> > them unless they are Hawks?
> >
> > > More important, if you're playing Chuckie pawn, be advised
> > that I did not
> > > write the story and had nothing to do with it.
> >
> > I am no ones pawn. I proudly fly a Hawk and it pisses me off
> > that you try to hurt a good plane and ignore serious faults in
> > other brands. You published the story and even sign your e-mail
> > as "editor" so you DO have a lot to do with it.
> >
> > > As to some of your assertions, we relied on wire reports and the NTSB
> > > data... As to the presence of any mods, we do not have proof of that
but
> > you
> > > may have noticed that the story makes no assumptions as to cause and
> only
> > > specifies that an investigation will offer more detail.
> >
> > Lots of NTSB reports on other ultralight crashes and the wire
> > service has lots of stories on ultralight crashes. Why do you
> > publish so few? The story contains the words "according to a
> > local account", "depending on reports", "witnesses quoted in the
> > local paper". None of this mentioned any modifications? I
> > notice you quoted these witnesses "It appears that the crash was
> > caused by a malfunction in the aircraft." but you could find no
> > mention of modifications? When the investigation is completed
> > will you publish the results? And mention that the parts which
> > failed were not stock parts?
> >
> > > If your source about the mods is Chuck S, you might want to check
again,
> > > that man has lied to us more times than we can count and to many
others
> as
> > > well... and we can prove it.
> > > Now, if you don't mind, I have work to do.
> >
> > The mods were mentioned in the initial report posted on
> > rec.aviation.ultralight BEFORE your story. It was posted by
> > someone at that field NOT by Chuck. If you want to call Chuck a
> > liar, thats your business. He has never lied to me but I can't
> > seem to get a straight answer out of YOU. May I point out that
> > publishers are supposed to be unbiased in reporting the news. I
> > feel that is not the case here.
> >
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > Aero-News Network, http://aero-news.net
> > > POB 9132, Winter Haven, FL, 33883-9132.
> > > 863-299-8680. Fax: 863-294-3678.
> > > Copyright (c) 1999-2001.
> > > "Service is the rent we pay for being.
> > > It is the very purpose of life, and not
> > > something you do in your spare time."
> > > Marion Wright Edelman
> > >
> > > Legal Notice: The information contained in this Email is confidential
> and
> > > intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed.
> > > No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on
this
> > > information.
> > > If this communication has been sent to you in error, please E-Mail the
> > > sender and destroy the message.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Metzler [mailto:sle...@worldnet.att.net]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:13 PM
> > > To: Editor
> > > Subject: Re: CGS Hawk crash
> > >
> > > If your reference to "facts" is the preliminary accident reports
> > > filed, then a lot more ultralight crashes should have been
> > > published. If your "facts" come from rec.aviation.ultralight or
> > > the fly-ul list, then even more ultralight crashes should have
> > > been published.
> > >
> > > Concerning "things to learn", your "local account" surely
> > > mentioned that the plane had been heavily modified but you did
> > > not publish that info. Even the inital report on
> > > rec.aviation.ultralight thought it was important enough to
> > > mention it. That would have been a pretty important part of the
> > > story so readers could learn to be careful makeing modifications.
> > >
> > > What "newsworthy attributes" did this story contain that the
> > > unpublished crash stories would not have contained?
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > Editor wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I didn't write the story.
> > > > ONLY the Hawk? Bull.
> > > > I can tell you that we have reported MANY crashes... and with this
one
> > we
> > > > had better data than we usually get from such reports (since most
U/L
> or
> > > > "light" aircraft accidents are poorly reported and/or detailed).
When
> we
> > > > have FACTS and when there are either things to learn or other
> newsworthy
> > > > attributes, there is a chance we will run the story... and we run A
> LOT
> > of
> > > > stories.
> > > > By the way; you still have not admitted the errors in your previous
> > > > statement.
> > > >
> > > > Aero-News Network, http://aero-news.net
> > > > POB 9132, Winter Haven, FL, 33883-9132.
> > > > 863-299-8680. Fax: 863-294-3678.
> > > > Copyright (c) 1999-2001.
> > > > "Service is the rent we pay for being.
> > > > It is the very purpose of life, and not
> > > > something you do in your spare time."
> > > > Marion Wright Edelman
> > > >
> > > > Legal Notice: The information contained in this Email is
confidential
> > and
> > > > intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed.
> > > > No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on
> this
> > > > information.
> > > > If this communication has been sent to you in error, please E-Mail
the
> > > > sender and destroy the message.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Robert Metzler [mailto:sle...@worldnet.att.net]
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 9:18 PM
> > > > To: Editor
> > > > Subject: Re: CGS Hawk crash
> > > >
> > > > All of which did not answer the orginal question. Out of the
> > > > rash of ul crashes over the last couple of weeks why did you
> > > > choose to only post the Hawk crash? Been reading every day but I
> > > > saw none of the others.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > Editor wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Untrue, totally untrue... we have reported a GREAT number of
crashes
> > > about
> > > > a
> > > > > GREAT number of aircraft... and this is the FIRST Hawk crash we've
> > > > reported
> > > > > in a good long while... check it out for yourself before you make
> wild
> > > and
> > > > > inaccurate misrepresentations for which you have NO facts.
> > > > > Use the search engine and check it for yourself... I expect an
> apology
> > > for
> > > > > your falsehood when you are done proving what I have just told
you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim (and I didn't even write or see the piece before it was posted
> for
> > > > > publication)
> > > > >
> > > > > Aero-News Network, http://aero-news.net
> > > > > POB 9132, Winter Haven, FL, 33883-9132.
> > > > > 863-299-8680. Fax: 863-294-3678.
> > > > > Copyright (c) 1999-2001.
> > > > > "Service is the rent we pay for being.
> > > > > It is the very purpose of life, and not
> > > > > something you do in your spare time."
> > > > > Marion Wright Edelman
> > > > >
> > > > > Legal Notice: The information contained in this Email is
> confidential
> > > and
> > > > > intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed.
> > > > > No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on
> > this
> > > > > information.
> > > > > If this communication has been sent to you in error, please E-Mail
> the
> > > > > sender and destroy the message.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Robert Metzler [mailto:sle...@worldnet.att.net]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 8:31 PM
> > > > > To: Edi...@aero-news.net
> > > > > Subject: CGS Hawk crash
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems that the only ultralight crashes that you report involve
> > > > > Hawks. What about the several other crashes that have been
> > > > > reported on the ultralight lists over the last few days? These
> > > > > included at least 2 fatal crashes but not a single word about
> > > > > them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Why?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
BOb U
>Normally I would not post private e mail exchanges but mooz has cc'ed
>this to the Winter Haven police dept. where it becomes public record.
>Since he released it, I figured you guys would get a kick out of it.
>You can see the story at http://www.aero-news.net/indexnews1.htm until
>Sunday evening (or he yanks it).
>
>Bob
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
With Aero-Snooze being so much biased vindictive bullshit, it ain't my bag.
AVweb's AVflash is preferred 1000 to 1....
Nah, more like a million to one.
However, I always appreciate an appropriate heads up like yours.
Thanks and Happy Holidays.
BOb U
RobertR237
sle...@att.net (sleepy6) writes:
>
>Normally I would not post private e mail exchanges but mooz has cc'ed
>this to the Winter Haven police dept. where it becomes public record.
>Since he released it, I figured you guys would get a kick out of it.
>You can see the story at http://www.aero-news.net/indexnews1.htm until
>Sunday evening (or he yanks it).
>
>Bob
>
Welcome to the world according to Zoom or the delusions of a fool. The one
thing you must understand is that you do not ask zoom for facts or reasons for
his biased reports just accept them as total bull and move on. I asked similar
questions when he used an incident (NOT an accident) regarding the New Pulsar
aircraft as an excuse to slam the company and it's aircraft. When I
communicated corrections regarding the incident he maintained his position that
it was a fault of the plane and company. (Incident involved a prop being
tested for another company which threw both blades on takeoff. The plane
landed without damage.)
I did a bit of followup on the issues involved and found that ANN was trying to
claim that they had done advertising for Pulsar which Pulsar would not pay for.
Seems that Jim took a no-response from Pulsar for advertising as a positive
and was billing them for two months of advertising they didn't want or request.
Further, nobody ever saw a Pulsar add on ANN but his bill was for $6000 for
two months.
Seems Jimbo hasn't changed anything but the name.
Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
ChuckSlusarczyk
>
>
>With Aero-Snooze being so much biased vindictive bullshit, it ain't my bag.
>AVweb's AVflash is preferred 1000 to 1....
>Nah, more like a million to one.
>However, I always appreciate an appropriate heads up like yours.
>
>Thanks and Happy Holidays.
>
>
>BOb U
Gee Unka Bob, seems nothings changed in zoomies life he'll spend 3 days not
giving an answer then 5 mins giving one. Then finish up with Police ,lawsuit
threats and name calling, Ahhh it's nice to know some things never change :-) I
bet Tonys laughing like hell....
Wesolych Swiat
Chuck S RAH 15/1 ret
Chuck S
Dave Barnhart
>>Sunday evening (or he yanks it).
I was just beginning to think that zoomy had changed his ways, and I
was starting to check ANN every day. Then I saw that article and my
immediate reaction was 'Gawd, zoomy's back to his old self."
Ah well, so much for ANN
Best Regards,
Dave Barnhart
RV-6 N601DB
John Lawson
a bunch of messages in this NG...grrrrrrrrrrrr....it seems to happen
randomly. Anyway, what was in the first message? I went to the aeronews
web page and didn't see anything out of the ordinary.
John
RV-6 (left wing tank)
Dave Barnhart
the page:
"Near-Ground Accident Kills Airport Regular"
On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:15:36 -0600, John Lawson <jwla...@hargray.com>
wrote:
Ron Wanttaja
> Um, I missed the first message in this thread. For some reason, I'm
> missing a bunch of messages in this NG...grrrrrrrrrrrr....it seems
> to happen randomly. Anyway, what was in the first message? I
> went to the aeronews web page and didn't see anything out of the
> ordinary.
Ah, well, that's the problem, ain't it...for Zoom, it WASN'T out of the
ordinary... :-)
I heard a rumor that Zoom lost his editor a month or so back. While I
don't know him, Oysterhouse said he was a straight-up decent sort of
guy. It looked as if he had been responsible for most of news material;
if he's gone, then Zoom is doing it all again. Which would explain the
return to the same old claims.
Those who have watched the Campbell saga may have noticed the cyclical
nature of his activities: Campbell appears, inspires a bunch of people
to help him, things go well for a while. Then doubt arises in this
inner circle, questions arise publicly, Campbell starts accusing the
questioners of illegal activities, and eventually his accusations become
flights of fantasy ("terrorists," "engaging in a vendetta", etc.) that
become VERY obvious to the casual observer, driving his support base
down to a deluded few.
You can see the cycle in miniature within the NTSB transcript, with his
reported behavior at the various flight training schools and,
especially, the college he was an instructor at. It's probably what
happened at SPORT PILOT (one of the writers hinted a such to me right
after Zoom left, with the cryptic clue, "Jimmy, we hardly knew ye.").
US AVIATOR was the first case where there was no outside force to
terminate the cycle; eventually, it took bankruptcy court and the loss
of advertisers for the attempted resurrection of the magazine.
The cycle may be beginning anew with ANN. Some folks expressed surprise
that the screeching tone didn't continue directly from USA to ANN. In
retrospect, I wonder if the switch to the online media "reset" the
cycle...the staff was practically brand new, and the web-based format
meant that they lived in different places and weren't daily exposed to
him in an office environment.
Where will the cycle end this time? All Campbell has to get out of ANN
is a living and his ISP fees. There's none of the printing costs that
drove USA under, and the last I heard, most of the writers were working
for free anyway. It'll be interesting to watch....
Ron Wanttaja
r...@wanttaja.com
John Lawson
It 'tis interesting, though, that he singled out that accident to highlight on
the front page of his site. But he put it there because he felt it was truly
newsworthy, out of all the ultralight accidents that occur...and not due to any
vendettas or grudges on his part, right? *tongue in cheek*
John
RobertR237
Dave Barnhart <da...@davebarnhart.com> writes:
He hasn't change one bit either now or before. You may not have noticed but
the same old crap has been there almost every day but maybe not quite as
blatant as in the past. Just give him a bit of time and he will return to the
same old Jim, it is a cycle and will repeat over and over again.
RobertR237
>
>I heard a rumor that Zoom lost his editor a month or so back. While I
>don't know him, Oysterhouse said he was a straight-up decent sort of
>guy. It looked as if he had been responsible for most of news material;
>if he's gone, then Zoom is doing it all again. Which would explain the
>return to the same old claims.
>
Oh-Oh, the guy must have actually expected Jimbo to pay him.
>Those who have watched the Campbell saga may have noticed the cyclical
>nature of his activities: Campbell appears, inspires a bunch of people
>to help him, things go well for a while. Then doubt arises in this
>inner circle, questions arise publicly, Campbell starts accusing the
>questioners of illegal activities, and eventually his accusations become
>flights of fantasy ("terrorists," "engaging in a vendetta", etc.) that
>become VERY obvious to the casual observer, driving his support base
>down to a deluded few.
>
The patern will always repeat.
>You can see the cycle in miniature within the NTSB transcript, with his
>reported behavior at the various flight training schools and,
>especially, the college he was an instructor at. It's probably what
>happened at SPORT PILOT (one of the writers hinted a such to me right
>after Zoom left, with the cryptic clue, "Jimmy, we hardly knew ye.").
>
>US AVIATOR was the first case where there was no outside force to
>terminate the cycle; eventually, it took bankruptcy court and the loss
>of advertisers for the attempted resurrection of the magazine.
>
>The cycle may be beginning anew with ANN. Some folks expressed surprise
>that the screeching tone didn't continue directly from USA to ANN. In
>retrospect, I wonder if the switch to the online media "reset" the
>cycle...the staff was practically brand new, and the web-based format
>meant that they lived in different places and weren't daily exposed to
>him in an office environment.
>
>Where will the cycle end this time? All Campbell has to get out of ANN
>is a living and his ISP fees. There's none of the printing costs that
>drove USA under, and the last I heard, most of the writers were working
>for free anyway. It'll be interesting to watch....
>
>Ron Wanttaja
>r...@wanttaja.com
>
>
He will find a way, it's part of the cycle.
RobertR237
writes:
>
>Ah, got it...I went by it 'cuz I don't have a lot of interest in ultralights.
>
>It 'tis interesting, though, that he singled out that accident to highlight
>on
>the front page of his site. But he put it there because he felt it was truly
>newsworthy, out of all the ultralight accidents that occur...and not due to
>any
>vendettas or grudges on his part, right? *tongue in cheek*
>
>John
>
>
AHHHHHH yet another believer in Santa Clause.
The seven dwarfs and the boggy man too.
John Lawson
RobertR237 wrote:
> In article <3C268088...@hargray.com>, John Lawson <jwla...@hargray.com>
> writes:
>
> >
> >Ah, got it...I went by it 'cuz I don't have a lot of interest in ultralights.
> >
> >It 'tis interesting, though, that he singled out that accident to highlight
> >on
> >the front page of his site. But he put it there because he felt it was truly
> >newsworthy, out of all the ultralight accidents that occur...and not due to
> >any
> >vendettas or grudges on his part, right? *tongue in cheek*
> >
> >John
> >
> >
>
> AHHHHHH yet another believer in Santa Clause.
Indeed, I do! Then again, I haven't quite completely grown up yet
> The seven dwarfs and the boggy man too.
Dunno about the dwarfs...as for the boogy man, well...maybe he's in the swamps
down heah in South Carolina...kinda like the Great Pumpkin. :-)
Semper Fi
John
RV-6 (ready to apply that gorilla snot-like substance to some RV fuel tank
parts...)
Tom C
">
> Dunno about the dwarfs...as for the boogy man, well...maybe he's in the
swamps
> down heah in South Carolina...kinda like the Great Pumpkin. :-)
I thought it went the way of disco. Of course bad trends and mooz tend to
come back like hemorrhoids.
Tom Cooper
ChuckSlusarczyk
>It 'tis interesting, though, that he singled out that accident to highlight on
>the front page of his site. But he put it there because he felt it was truly
>newsworthy, out of all the ultralight accidents that occur...and not due to any
>vendettas or grudges on his part, right? *tongue in cheek*
I can't believe he actually believes his own crap ,he must think people are
stupid . Just like clinton with his "I didn't have sex with that woman etc"
nudge ,nudge wink wink, say no more...
Bob wrote me and asked about the crash that was posted on zoomies site and why
he didn't post other ultralight crashes there. I said somewhat off handedly why
don't you ask zoom.....
He did and the rest is history. I haven't checked my e-mail today yet but I
suspect sooner or later I'll be accused of being Bob and to stop harassing
him,local authorities,Federal investigators etc are notified blah blah blah.
Nothings changed, he still bends the truth,threatens people and bills
advertizers for ads they don't want.....Credibility it was always about
credibility.
Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret
"evil didn't prosper because good men spoke and evil was nuts" anon
sleepy6
ChuckSlusar...@newsguy.com says...
>
>Bob wrote me and asked about the crash that was posted on zoomies site
> and why
>he didn't post other ultralight crashes there. I said somewhat off han
>dedly why
>don't you ask zoom.....
>He did and the rest is history. I haven't checked my e-mail today yet
>but I
>suspect sooner or later I'll be accused of being Bob and to stop haras
>sing
>him,local authorities,Federal investigators etc are notified blah blah
> blah.
>
>Nothings changed, he still bends the truth,threatens people and bills
>advertizers for ads they don't want.....Credibility it was always abou
>t
>credibility.
>
>Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret
>
>"evil didn't prosper because good men spoke and evil was nuts" an
>on
>
Not even Mooz could confuse us Chuck. I'm not in the hall of fame, I
didn't appear on Junkyard Wars, I can't play the harmonica, I can't
handle muzzle loader and I never stole chicken in my life:)
I DO love my Hawk and I appreciate the way you do business. If that
puts me on Mooz's s**t list thats fine with me. I have at least 15
good people for company.
Bob
Steve Foley
back across a river. "Are you mad?" exclaimed the turtle. "You'll sting me
while I'm swimming and I'll drown."
"My dear turtle," laughed the scorpion, "if I were to sting you, you would
drown and I would go down with you. Now where is the logic in that?"
"You're right!" cried the turtle. "Hop on!" The scorpion climbed aboard and
halfway across the river gave the turtle a mighty sting. As they both sank
to the bottom, the turtle resignedly said:
"Do you mind if I ask you something? You said there'd be no logic in your
stinging me. Why did you do it?"
"It has nothing to do with logic," the drowning scorpion sadly replied.
"It's just my character."
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <ChuckSlusar...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:a054l...@drn.newsguy.com...
RobertR237
sle...@att.net (sleepy6) writes:
>
>
>Not even Mooz could confuse us Chuck. I'm not in the hall of fame, I
>didn't appear on Junkyard Wars, I can't play the harmonica, I can't
>handle muzzle loader and I never stole chicken in my life:)
>
>I DO love my Hawk and I appreciate the way you do business. If that
>puts me on Mooz's s**t list thats fine with me. I have at least 15
>good people for company.
>
>Bob
>
>
I think you could count far far more than 15 in that company. (And I shall not
even include myself.)
Charles K. Scott
ChuckSlusarczyk <ChuckSlusar...@newsguy.com> writes:
> Just like clinton with his "I didn't have sex with that woman etc"
> nudge ,nudge wink wink, say no more...
Just for the record, Monica has stated under oath that she and Clinton
did not have penus inserted into vagina sexual relations. By almost
everyone's definition, penus in vagina is what defines sex.
Masterbating one another to climax is often defined as heavy petting.
Clinton could state what he did and be literally truthful.
She also stated that she was VERY disappointed that Clinton did not
allow her to engage in real sex.
Corky (stating the literal record) Scott
ChuckSlusarczyk
sle...@att.net says...
>Not even Mooz could confuse us Chuck. I'm not in the hall of fame, I
>didn't appear on Junkyard Wars, I can't play the harmonica, I can't
>handle muzzle loader and I never stole chicken in my life:)
>
>I DO love my Hawk and I appreciate the way you do business. If that
>puts me on Mooz's s**t list thats fine with me. I have at least 15
>good people for company.
>
>Bob
Thank you Bob. Well I got an e-mail from his zoomyness today with all the usual
Blah blah blah.As soon as my son can show me how I'll post it here on RAH which
is how I've handled zoom mail for years. he's still a big a phony as ever ...why
he even called me a "small man" Just show ya what he knows!!!! Why I'm big ,'en
bad ,I'm rough en tough and full a fleas ..en I got hair behind my
knees...SMALL!! what a nerve :-) but considering the source....
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
See ya
Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret
Jerry Springer
Got to ask you, what is a penus? :) Maybe I learned the wrong spelling
in school and that is why I can't spell worth a darn today.
Jerry
BOb U
>Hi Corky,
>Got to ask you, what is a penus? :) Maybe I learned the wrong spelling
>in school and that is why I can't spell worth a darn today.
>
>Jerry
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Well, I will tell you.... nobody is purfect. *-)
^^^^ ^^^
At Dartmouth, there probably are lots of penus's....
or is it penae, err.. penusae?
BOb U
Steve Foley
"Jerry Springer" <jsf...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3C27D78D...@earthlink.net...
Bob Knot
"richard riley" <ric...@mylastname.com> wrote in message
> If what Bob Reed says about New Pulsar's experience is true, the this
cycle is
> well developed. If he's billing for ads never ordered, libeling companies
that
> don't pay the blackmail and threatening people who ask him about it, he's
back
> to where he was in 1991.
It amazing what a little money (or lack there of) does to change your tune
about an aircraft and/or company. I think he (Zoom) may be a little pissed
about not receiving money for the advertising that did not take place.
Straight from ANN:
*Pre money troubles:
Either way... it could have been a lot worse, some valuable things were
learned and the concept of flight test did what it was supposed to do... let
the manufacturer identify problems before they got into the production
mainstream. At the same time, Melyon remains upbeat... especially in terms
of speed... noting that with only 2100-2200 rpm, the Super Pulsar was
already doing 150 mph IAS... yep, the Super Pulsar 100 "hauls the mail" and
we look forward to flying it ourselves in a few months.
http://www.aero-news.net/news/archive2000/0800news/082300a.htm
*Post money troubles:
[Note: This is the second accident for this ill-fated craft. The first one,
on August 20 of last year, on the airplane's second flight (and the first
flight by the builder) -- ended with an engine (Continental O-200) out,
attributed to "the pilot's failure to provide enough fuel for the intended
flight. Contributing to the accident was an improper fuel vapor return
system," according to the official report --ed.]
[Additional Note: While this accident appears to be little more than a
component failure, there are enough strange things going on with this
company, and complaints about their business practices, that we recommend
caution if you plan to do business with this company.--EIC]
http://www.aero-news.net/news2001/0700/071701a.htm
Also note the error in reporting. It was flying with a IO-240, not the
O-200!
Cheers!
Bob
John Ammeter
doesn't this sound familiar?? The same vague words, no substantial
worth to them but, taken in the whole, they condemn a company.
"strange things", "complaints about their business practices",
"recommend caution" ?? In my opinion, the above would apply directly
to Mooz's own operation much more so than to any other company.
John Ammeter
Dave Barnhart
From ANN's home page:
"A.N.N. is brought to you by some of the same no-nonsense folks who
put together US Aviator magazine and made it the most honest and
comprehensive aviation magazine published..."
So my question is this:
When zoomy goes from "...we look forward to flying it ourselves..."
to:
"...we recommend caution..."
How is he rationalizing the "honest" part in his mind?
Best Regards,
Dave Barnhart
RV-6 N601DB
(expecting a 'govern yourself accordingly' to arrive any minute)
ChuckSlusarczyk
says...
>Just for the record, Monica has stated under oath that she and Clinton
>did not have penus inserted into vagina sexual relations. By almost
>everyone's definition, penus in vagina is what defines sex.
>Masterbating one another to climax is often defined as heavy petting.
>Clinton could state what he did and be literally truthful.
Everyone but Sister Mary Bazooka ,according to her taking a pee was "almost" sex
:) I wish I went to billy's school cause by his standards I was a virgin till I
was 18 LOL!!! Thanks for the clairifacation...
see ya
Chuck S
ChuckSlusarczyk
Group
As promised here's zooms e-mail to me and my reply I do this so zoom can't spin
my response to him as he has done in the past.
>Mr. Slusarczyk,
>You have been previously served notice to attempt no further harassment of
>this organization. Neither you nor your dupes nor your lies will stop (nor
>have they) the work we do and the justice we seek for those you have cheated
>and stolen from.
>Your violation of our non-harassment order has been submitted to the local
>police and Federal authorities.
>Let me make this clear, lying little man, quit harassing this organization.
>Go about your business and see if you can do so without screwing anymore
>people.
Dear zoomy
Please give details of my alleged harrasment of your organization. Dates, types
of and copies of said harrasments.
I have no dupes that I know of and once again please provide some proof of
"lies"...dates ,type of and copies. No one is trying to stop your "work" ,your
ruining your reputation and flopping on your face just fine all by yourself.
You don't need me or my so called dupes...will the dupes ,please stand up so I
can see what one looks like? :-) to do it for you nor have I caused you to
bankrupt your former magazine.
Harrasment "order"?? Please provide ...date,time and copy. Also the names of the
Local and Federal authorities that you contacted so I can call them for the
"truth" of your statement.
"Lying little man"??? now that hurts, I hate that kind of biting sarcasim .I
realize that I only managed to lose 35 pounds for the Junkyard Wars but I didn't
deserve that snide remark :-)
What a hoot, in zoomys world a letter to the editor is considered harrasment
nuff said .
First off that letter was meant to be sent to Bob not you,but since I don't
claim to be a computer whiz kid somehow you got a copy. But I'm glad it happened
in a way, because you can see thet everything I told Bob would happen to him if
he wrote you ,did. You are still what you have always been...a PHONY and your
response to Bob's simple question proves it. At least be man enough and admit
you have a vendetta and leave it at that . But to try and pass off what you
write about me as truthful journalism is as dishonest as you are.
Credibility it was always about Credibility and you still don't have any.
By the way this was not your best effort nothing new same old threats ...I give
it a 4...
Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret
"evil didn't triumph because good men spoke and evil was nuts" anon
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>Hi Bob
>He probably does but they know all about him. By doing that he can say that
>the authorities have been notified. His answer is typical zoom ,name calling
>,threats and vague generalties about crooks. But still no answer to the
>original question.He's all sizzle and no bacon..
>
>See ya
>
>Chuck S
-----Original Message-----
ChuckSlusarczyk
>
>Hi Corky,
>Got to ask you, what is a penus? :) Maybe I learned the wrong spelling
>in school and that is why I can't spell worth a darn today.
>>penus in vagina is what defines sex.
I think he spelled virginia wrong too!!!:-)
Chuck
ChuckSlusarczyk
says...
>
>If what Bob Reed says about New Pulsar's experience is true, the this cycle is
>well developed. If he's billing for ads never ordered, libeling companies that
>don't pay the blackmail and threatening people who ask him about it, he's back
>to where he was in 1991.
I have been told by at least 4 companies that are on his web as advertizers that
said they don't pay form ads and let them ride just to avoid a confrontation.One
he has threatened with the usual "I'll see you in a FL. courtroom". Frankly I
don't understand why the ones that pay for ads do so when others get free ones.
but that's their perogative.
Chuck
ChuckSlusarczyk
Yet zoomy has the nerve to call what he does journalism .How many times have we
seen this happen ? can you say Mini 500, CGS, Carlson, etc??? He's a PHONY and
deserves to be exposed everytime he pulls this stuff. I hope he gets all he
deserves...
Chuck S RAH-15/1
"Credibility it was always about Credibility" chuck s
Tom C
> She also stated that she was VERY disappointed that Clinton did not
> allow her to engage in real sex.
>
> Corky (stating the literal record) Scott
sure that wasn't the cliteral record?
Tom "what pun-ishment " Cooper
R Smith
> Gee Unka Bob, seems nothings changed in zoomies life he'll spend 3 days not
> giving an answer then 5 mins giving one. Then finish up with Police ,lawsuit
> threats and name calling, Ahhh it's nice to know some things never change :-) > I bet Tonys laughing like hell....
>
Chuck Chuck Chuck... Now how can you say that Zoom hasn't changed?
After all, he didn't once use the word "Tortious", or the phrase
"Govern Yourself Accordingly" in his e-mails with Robert.... (yet),
right? ;)
Ron Wanttaja
> Got to ask you, what is a penus? :)
It's a male sexual organ bent into a "U" shape. It's helpful if someone
tells you to go f*** yourself....
Ron Wanttaja
RobertR237
<ChuckSlusar...@newsguy.com> writes:
>says...
>>Just for the record, Monica has stated under oath that she and Clinton
>>did not have penus inserted into vagina sexual relations. By almost
>>everyone's definition, penus in vagina is what defines sex.
>>Masterbating one another to climax is often defined as heavy petting.
>>Clinton could state what he did and be literally truthful.
>
>Everyone but Sister Mary Bazooka ,according to her taking a pee was "almost"
>sex
>:) I wish I went to billy's school cause by his standards I was a virgin till
>I
>was 18 LOL!!! Thanks for the clairifacation...
>
>see ya
>
>Chuck S
>
>
Yeah, and I want to hear him give the same excuse to his wife.
RobertR237
Ammeter) writes:
>
>doesn't this sound familiar?? The same vague words, no substantial
>worth to them but, taken in the whole, they condemn a company.
>
>"strange things", "complaints about their business practices",
>"recommend caution" ?? In my opinion, the above would apply directly
>to Mooz's own operation much more so than to any other company.
>
>John Ammeter
>
>
And some potiential customers who are new to the zoom world have been forwarned
after receiving one of his glowing reports.
RobertR237
<ChuckSlusar...@newsguy.com> writes:
>>
>>If what Bob Reed says about New Pulsar's experience is true, the this cycle
>is
>>well developed. If he's billing for ads never ordered, libeling companies
>that
>>don't pay the blackmail and threatening people who ask him about it, he's
>back
>>to where he was in 1991.
>
>I have been told by at least 4 companies that are on his web as advertizers
>that
>said they don't pay form ads and let them ride just to avoid a
>confrontation.One
>he has threatened with the usual "I'll see you in a FL. courtroom". Frankly I
>don't understand why the ones that pay for ads do so when others get free
>ones.
>but that's their perogative.
>
>Chuck
>
>
I also have talked with a couple of other companies at Oshkosh who indicated
similar tails of zoomerisms.
Jerry Springer
Ron Thanks for the explanation...I think.
Jerry Springer
ChuckSlusarczyk
says...
>
>Chuck Chuck Chuck... Now how can you say that Zoom hasn't changed?
>After all, he didn't once use the word "Tortious", or the phrase
>"Govern Yourself Accordingly" in his e-mails with Robert.... (yet),
>right? ;)
Yeah ya got me there on that one!! But there's still time ,he probably didn't
want to use all his ammo on one shot...:-)
See ya
Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret.
ChuckSlusarczyk
says...
>
>I also have talked with a couple of other companies at Oshkosh who indicated
>similar tails of zoomerisms.
Yeah it seems he still runs things the way he always has and probably always
will. He just don't get it and I guess he never will.
See ya
Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret
"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s
Gary Thomas
"Charles K. Scott" wrote:
>
> Masterbating one another to climax is often defined as heavy petting.
> Clinton could state what he did and be literally truthful.
>
> She also stated that she was VERY disappointed that Clinton did not
> allow her to engage in real sex.
>
> Corky (stating the literal record) Scott
Uh Corky, if you found your wife giving some guy a BJ would you just
pass it off as a little heavy petting? Come on get real.
Gary Thomas
wmbjk
FL, Ultralight safety ---- that moooz's beef with Sun 'n Fun is sorta'
loosely compared to the war on Terrorism. Funniest thing I've read in a
while. Is he trying to identify with an underdog? ;-) Seems like he needs a
more appropriate battle metaphor to draw attention to his plight. Perhaps he
could sneak into the spotlight of that other martyr, "Kudzu, the
misunderstood houseplant".
Wayne
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <ChuckSlusar...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:a0d1u...@drn.newsguy.com...
ChuckSlusarczyk
>
>I just noticed today on a colorful but slow loading web page, under E-vents,
>FL, Ultralight safety ---- that moooz's beef with Sun 'n Fun is sorta'
>loosely compared to the war on Terrorism. Funniest thing I've read in a
>while. Is he trying to identify with an underdog? ;-) Seems like he needs a
>more appropriate battle metaphor to draw attention to his plight. Perhaps he
>could sneak into the spotlight of that other martyr, "Kudzu, the
>misunderstood houseplant".
>
Everytime I read one of his "everybodys picking on me" diatribes I can hear
violins playing in the background as zoom campbell the misunderstood savior of
aviation weeps for "his" people. As he tries to rally his dupes around him while
his fan letter came pouring in telling him how much good he does. Yeah but Kudzu
had more testicular fortitude than zoomy :-) Last year or maybe the year before
he held a rally to force SnF to admit him he claimed 1000's of letters ,phone
calls and e-mails sticking up for him .Yet at his "rally" the reporters
outnumbered the supporters. We need to get him a windmill to tilt :-)
Yep zoom and Geraldo Rivera the 2 macho heros against terrorism, both
phonies....and both heros in their own minds.
sydney
> Got to ask you, what is a penus? :)
It's when a guy doesn't have a complete set of male organs
on his own, so he has to share.
Thus the use of the plural "us"
It's an unfortunate medical condition but not as rare as
one might think. You can read all about it with a PubMed
Search.
Sydney :):):):):)
Charles K. Scott
Gary Thomas <gth...@bbn.com> writes:
> Uh Corky, if you found your wife giving some guy a BJ would you just
> pass it off as a little heavy petting? Come on get real.
>
> Gary Thomas
My wife wouldn't and I don't speak for Hillary. But I can see where
the legal definition might be hazy here.
For the record I agree, it was ridiculous behavior for the president of
the United States. It would appear Clinton was caught engaged in
behavior other presidents got a by from the press for.
I don't condone it.
Corky Scott
Charles K. Scott
Jerry Springer <jsf...@earthlink.net> writes:
> Hi Corky,
> Got to ask you, what is a penus? :) Maybe I learned the wrong spelling
> in school and that is why I can't spell worth a darn today.
It's "Corky" for Penis.
Corky (never got an A in spelling) Scott