Howes: Toyota not looking so shiny now
john
Howes: Toyota not looking so shiny now
DANIEL HOWES
Is the Toyota Motor Corp. juggernaut losing its conqueror-of-the-world
mojo?
Because if it was a Detroit automaker that was recalling 4.26 million
vehicles to repair accelerator problems, or if it was a Detroit
automaker that had broken its historic no-plant-closings pledge, or if
it was a Detroit automaker that had recalled more vehicles (2.38
million) in 2005 than it sold in the United States that year (2.26
million), the answer would be an emphatic yes.
The answer also would be yes if Toyota, an earnings powerhouse,
suddenly stopped minting cash -- notwithstanding the three-month
period ended Sept. 30 -- and was on track to lose billions more this
year. The answer would be yes if its exponential market share gains
suddenly slowed, or if its national rival, Honda Motor Co., kept
delivering profits despite a global auto recession and its new South
Korean rival, Hyundai-Kia, continued to grab precious U.S. market
share.
News flash: The men running Toyota appear to be mortal. They overreach
and make mistakes. Their vehicles are not flawless. Their engineers
cut corners, at least in ways that garner the attention of the
National Highway Traffic Administration. Their Camry no longer is the
undisputed king of midsize cars, now that rivals Ford Motor Co. and
even General Motors Co. are proving they can produce world-class
metal, too.
This isn't new, either, suggesting that Toyota's troubles may be more
of a developing pattern than a one-time aberration. Two years ago,
before two-thirds of Detroit's automakers were tempered by the fires
of bankruptcy, the editor of the ostensibly "Japanese-loving" Consumer
Reports apologized to readers for recommending the problem-plagued
Camry V-6.
He also said the magazine had decided new Toyota models could no
longer be given the benefit of the doubt -- or its prized
"recommended" label. And Toyota's V-8 powered Tundra four-wheel drive
pickup was labeled "unreliable" by the magazine, the unofficial Bible
to discerning car and truck buyers.
Two years before that, the global industry's gold standard for quality
recalled more vehicles in the United States than it sold in the United
States. There have been running customer complaints about sludge in
its engines, and, more recently, growing federal skepticism over
Toyota's response to the unintended acceleration probe.
'Grasping for salvation'
Infallible they aren't, as CEO Akio Toyoda, a scion of the founding
family, conceded last month. Toyota, he said, is nearing "capitulation
to irrelevance or death" and is "grasping for salvation." He also said
the still cash-rich automaker has grown too arrogant on "the hubris
born of success" and the "undisciplined pursuit of more."
Even adjusting for the Japanese cultural proclivity for excessive
apology freighted with humility, those are stunning statements coming
from a Toyota CEO. Considering that his name, save one letter, is on
the proverbial building, the admissions are even more revealing.
Which means what, exactly?
That the Great Recession, the accelerant that pushed GM and Chrysler
Group LLC into bankruptcy and fueled Ford's evident resurgence, also
is rebalancing the automotive landscape in ways that seemed impossible
just a few years ago.
Fresh from federally induced bankruptcy, GM's labor costs are
competitive; its product portfolio is solid; its footprint in
developing markets is impressive; and its debt load is enviably small,
making it a potentially formidable competitor able to generate cash
once the worst of the auto sales depression passes.
Ford arguably is building its best vehicles in a generation, if not a
whole lot longer. The Blue Oval is booking monthly gains in its share
of the U.S. market, an accomplishment seemingly reserved exclusively
for Toyota not too long ago.
And Toyota's position as the undisputed quality leader and industry
juggernaut clearly is in jeopardy. That's change you can believe in.
dch...@detnews.com">dch...@detnews.com Daniel Howes' column runs
Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays
© Copyright 2009 The Detroit News. All rights reserved.
phaeton
> This isn't new, either, suggesting that Toyota's troubles may be more
> of a developing pattern than a one-time aberration. Two years ago,
> before two-thirds of Detroit's automakers were tempered by the fires
> of bankruptcy, the editor of the ostensibly "Japanese-loving" Consumer
> Reports apologized to readers for recommending the problem-plagued
> Camry V-6.
>
> He also said the magazine had decided new Toyota models could no
> longer be given the benefit of the doubt -- or its prized
> "recommended" label. And Toyota's V-8 powered Tundra four-wheel drive
> pickup was labeled "unreliable" by the magazine, the unofficial Bible
> to discerning car and truck buyers.
>
>
I always take everything Consumer Reports says with a grain of salt.
Hachiroku ハチロク
>
> November 26, 2009
> Howes: Toyota not looking so shiny now DANIEL HOWES
>
> Is the Toyota Motor Corp. juggernaut losing its conqueror-of-the-world
> mojo?
>
> Because if it was a Detroit automaker that was recalling 4.26 million
> vehicles to repair accelerator problems, or if it was a Detroit automaker
> that had broken its historic no-plant-closings pledge, or if it was a
> Detroit automaker that had recalled more vehicles (2.38 million) in 2005
> than it sold in the United States that year (2.26 million), the answer
> would be an emphatic yes.
But we're not dealing with a North American manufacturer that would
correct this mistake, and then make another in next year's model.
We're dealing with a Japanese company where heads will roll for 'losing
face'. And that is now, again, family run. A member of the Toyoda family
has already stepped in and replaced the President of Toyota Motor, who was
asked to step down due to Toyota's recent quality problems, and has
probably already committed Hari Kari.
If we were talking about General Motors, yeah, I could see the speculation
in the article taking place. But we're talking about a Japanese company
that is now interested in 'saving face', regaining their reputation, and
will work hard to do so. General Motors appeased their shareholders by
selling the cheapest product they could get away with for the highest
price they could charge, and it ran them into bankruptcy. Do not expect
the same from Toyota. They make the shareholders happy by making the
*Customers* happy and wanting to buy their cars.
You really don't know a whole lot about this, so please stop posting your
Bullshit in the Toyota group. Thanks.
som...@some.domain
yeah, a 50 mile square grain.
in2dadark
> Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays
>
> © Copyright 2009 The Detroit News. All rights reserved.
>
> http://detnews.com/article/20091126/OPINION03/911260331
I think toyota's biggest mistake is letting americans go anywhere near
where they build and design cars. American workers screwed up american
cars and, for that matter, America.
I don't have any employees for a reason. My business would be dead in
18 months. I could hire several people and expand my business
exponetially if I wanted. I just have no desire to do so in this
cesspool.
Hopefully toyota will go back to building everything off shore. My J
vin camry won't die in spite of the abuse I put it though.
Mike Hunter
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-C3DE4D....@nothing.attdns.com...
> In article <pan.2009.11.26....@e86.GTS>,
> Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>
>> A member of the Toyoda family
>> has already stepped in and replaced the President of Toyota Motor, who
>> was
>> asked to step down due to Toyota's recent quality problems, and has
>> probably already committed Hari Kari.
>
> He's dead.
>
> Maybe you mean harakiri?
Hachiroku ハチロク
> In article <pan.2009.11.26....@e86.GTS>,
> Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>
>> A member of the Toyoda family
>> has already stepped in and replaced the President of Toyota Motor, who
>> was asked to step down due to Toyota's recent quality problems, and has
>> probably already committed Hari Kari.
>
> He's dead.
>
> Maybe you mean harakiri?
ha⋅ra-ki⋅ri
/ˈhɑrəˈkɪəri, ˈhærə-, ˈhæri-/ [hahr-uh-keer-ee, har-uh-,
har-ee-] –noun
1. Also called seppuku. ceremonial suicide by ripping open the abdomen
with a dagger or knife: formerly practiced in Japan by members of the
warrior class when disgraced or sentenced to death. 2. suicide or any
suicidal action; a self-destructive act: political hara-kiri.
Also, hari kari.
phaeton
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:05:20 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> > Hachiroku ÉnÉ`ÉçÉN <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>
> >> A member of the Toyoda family
> >> has already stepped in and replaced the President of Toyota Motor, who
> >> was asked to step down due to Toyota's recent quality problems, and has
> >> probably already committed Hari Kari.
>
> > He's dead.
>
> > Maybe you mean harakiri?
>
> ha⋅ra-ki⋅ri
> /ˈhɑrəˈkɪəri, ˈhærə-, ˈhæri-/ [hahr-uh-keer-ee, har-uh-,
> har-ee-] –noun
> 1. Also called seppuku. ceremonial suicide by ripping open the abdomen
> with a dagger or knife: formerly practiced in Japan by members of the
> warrior class when disgraced or sentenced to death. 2. suicide or any
> suicidal action; a self-destructive act: political hara-kiri.
>
> Also, hari kari.
Seppuku Chicken is one of my fave dishes.
som...@some.domain
>In article <pan.2009.11.26....@e86.GTS>,
>
>> A member of the Toyoda family
>> has already stepped in and replaced the President of Toyota Motor, who was
>> asked to step down due to Toyota's recent quality problems, and has
>> probably already committed Hari Kari.
>
>
>Maybe you mean harakiri?
the other is stupid slang.
Hachiroku ハチロク
Chicken guts?!?!?!
Wayne
"john" <john...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2cdea3ae-02f4-4315...@15g2000prz.googlegroups.com...
>November 26, 2009
>Howes: Toyota not looking so shiny now
>DANIEL HOWES
>
>Is the Toyota Motor Corp. juggernaut losing its conqueror-of-the-world
>mojo?
>
>Because if it was a Detroit automaker that was recalling 4.26 million
>vehicles to repair accelerator problems, or if it was a Detroit
>automaker that had broken its historic no-plant-closings pledge, or if
>it was a Detroit automaker that had recalled more vehicles (2.38
>million) in 2005 than it sold in the United States that year (2.26
>million), the answer would be an emphatic yes.
So what do you propose? Buy a GM car instead of a Toyota?
<snort>
som...@some.domain
>In article <osEPm.272817$Jp1....@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com>,
> som...@some.domain (som...@some.domain) wrote:
>
>> >Maybe you mean harakiri?
>> seppeku is the correct name.
>> the other is stupid slang.
>
>
>The most famous form of seppuku is also known as harakiri (y� R�0,
>"cutting the belly") and is written with the same kanji as seppuku but
>in reverse order with an okurigana. In Japanese, the more formal
>seppuku, a Chinese on'yomi reading, is typically used in writing, while
>harakiri, a native kun'yomi reading, is used in speech.
exactly, "common useage" for the peasants.
Hachiroku ハチロク
Regardless of problems, I think Toyota will be around for a LONG time to
make good on their cars.
I'm giving GM to the end of the year. THIS year...
Steve Austin
instead? Ha!
z...@tink.net
news:%8CPm.279529$Jp1....@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
I have my own theory about Consumer Reports Ratings, when the ratings are a
reflection of public response - who responds to the typical survey? Who
writes letter to the editor? Who calls a corporate complaint/compliment
line? Those who are not happy. So, in my own little not so humble opinion,
CR public response ratings are skewed to the negative.
Nate Nagel
I know that they have always excoriated VW, which I don't understand.
But my dad still reads it, and he told me that the new A5 chassis Rabbit
actually got good marks?
My mom has been driving VWs (only two of them!) since 1989 or so... I
just hope that they decide to buy a new car before the 1.8T she's
driving now is run into the ground. I love that car...
nate
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replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
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Cleo Baines Hafsteder
Wayne
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.11.27....@e86.GTS...
Making cars is not on their radar.
I've owned two GM vehicles, a Corvette and a Suburban, that were such pieces
of crap, I seriously considered driving them off a cliff.
som...@some.domain
>In article <KUFPm.280001$Jp1.2...@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com>,
> som...@some.domain (som...@some.domain) wrote:
>
>> >> >Maybe you mean harakiri?
>> >> seppeku is the correct name.
>> >> the other is stupid slang.
>> >
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harakiri
>> >
>> >The most famous form of seppuku is also known as harakiri (y� R�0,
>> >"cutting the belly") and is written with the same kanji as seppuku but
>> >in reverse order with an okurigana. In Japanese, the more formal
>> >seppuku, a Chinese on'yomi reading, is typically used in writing, while
>> >harakiri, a native kun'yomi reading, is used in speech.
>>
>> exactly, "common useage" for the peasants.
>
>
>I think your mom is calling you upstairs for dinner.
typical no nothing attempt to assert pretend authority.
you have no mother, you reproduced from fusion like all bacteria.
som...@some.domain
cuh...@webtv.net
www.autoevolution.com/news/20-bonus-cut-for-toyota-managers-13835.html
cuhulin
Hachiroku ハチロク
> I've owned two GM vehicles, a Corvette and a Suburban, that were such
> pieces of crap, I seriously considered driving them off a cliff.
Hmmm...I think I'd give the Vette some slack...I have an '88 Supra that
needs a fair amount of attention, but it starts, runs, steers and stops,
and looks good doing it, and it's such a BLAST to drive I don't mind a
weekend in the back yard up on jack stands and a tool kit!
Of course, it's 21 years old and +200,000 miles...
som...@some.domain
34+ others. it has some quirks but it always runs and passes smog tests.
Hachiroku ハチロク
No more Smog tests in Mass, and the guys at the inspection station like it
and know I'll fix anything that goes wrong. However, they wouldn't pass
the ball joints this year. Only ran it for 6 weeks after replacing the
BJs. Do you have a Sport Roof? It shakes a bit with the roof off, but on a
sunny day at 85 degrees and 70MPH, who cares? ;)
som...@some.domain
years and last inspection was in 02. they really checked it over and smogged
it to death. the only thing wrong was one of the license lights was out. the
others worked but they still replaced it before i got my sticker.
i have the plain roof, no turbo model. everything still works, even the ac and
cruise.
man, i love my supra. all the hispanic boys in town want it. i get 2-3 offers
a week.
in2dadark
> In article <pan.2009.11.27.18.51.26.292...@e86.GTS>, =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:25:59 +0000, some...@some.domain wrote:
>
> >> In article <pan.2009.11.27.17.38.50.848...@e86.GTS>,
> >> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> >>>On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:01:09 -0800, Wayne wrote:
>
> >>>> I've owned two GM vehicles, a Corvette and a Suburban, that were such
> >>>> pieces of crap, I seriously considered driving them off a cliff.
>
> >>>Hmmm...I think I'd give the Vette some slack...I have an '88 Supra that
> >>>needs a fair amount of attention, but it starts, runs, steers and stops,
> >>>and looks good doing it, and it's such a BLAST to drive I don't mind a
> >>>weekend in the back yard up on jack stands and a tool kit!
>
> >>>Of course, it's 21 years old and +200,000 miles...
>
> >> i have an 86 1/2 with 200k and it really is fun. it's my all time fave,
> >> after 34+ others. it has some quirks but it always runs and passes smog
> >> tests.
>
> >No more Smog tests in Mass, and the guys at the inspection station like it
> >and know I'll fix anything that goes wrong. However, they wouldn't pass
> >the ball joints this year. Only ran it for 6 weeks after replacing the
> >BJs. Do you have a Sport Roof? It shakes a bit with the roof off, but on a
> >sunny day at 85 degrees and 70MPH, who cares? ;)
>
Don't rag on him for living with his mother. That's my job. :0)
Desertphile
<cl...@gbaines.net> wrote:
> jealous you can't afford to purchase a TOYOTA?
Who can?
--
http://desertphile.org
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"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Hachiroku ハチロク
> no more smog in the people's rebublic of ma? damn. i was a boston boy for
> 28 years and last inspection was in 02. they really checked it over and
> smogged it to death.
Nope. They REALLY do the safety check now, but the pipe up the poop-chute
is a thing of the past. Last year or two. They plug into the OBD-II on
1997 or newer cars.
As long as they look underneath and see a cat, it passes!
Cleo Baines Hafsteder
"Desertphile" <deser...@invalid-address.net> wrote in message
news:7jb0h5trhc3m8fn7v...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:00:39 -0800, "Cleo Baines Hafsteder"
> <cl...@gbaines.net> wrote:
>
>> jealous you can't afford to purchase a TOYOTA?
>
> Who can?
>
>
I can afford Lexus. Not only can I afford Lexus, I just purchased one.
dsi1
Can I have your old car? :-)
Hachiroku ハチロク
Aren't you going to ask what it *was*, first?!?!?!
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/bv/images/77pacer_wgn.jpg
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Watch the floor mats. I can lend you a hacksaw for the accelerator. ;)
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
som...@some.domain
>On Nov 27, 2:11=A0pm, some...@some.domain (some...@some.domain) wrote:
>> In article <pan.2009.11.27.18.51.26.292...@e86.GTS>, =3D?iso-2022-jp?q?Ha=
>chiroku_=3D1B$B%O%A%m%=3D2F=3D1B=3D28B?=3D <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:25:59 +0000, some...@some.domain wrote:
>>
>> >> In article <pan.2009.11.27.17.38.50.848...@e86.GTS>,
>@e86.GTS> wrote:
>> >>>On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:01:09 -0800, Wayne wrote:
>>
>h
>> >>>> pieces of crap, I seriously considered driving them off a cliff.
>>
>t
>> >>>needs a fair amount of attention, but it starts, runs, steers and stop=
>s,
>> >>>and looks good doing it, and it's such a BLAST to drive I don't mind a
>> >>>weekend in the back yard up on jack stands and a tool kit!
>>
>> >>>Of course, it's 21 years old and +200,000 miles...
>>
>,
>> >> after 34+ others. it has some quirks but it always runs and passes smo=
>g
>> >> tests.
>>
>> >No more Smog tests in Mass, and the guys at the inspection station like =
>it
>> >and know I'll fix anything that goes wrong. However, they wouldn't pass
>> >the ball joints this year. Only ran it for 6 weeks after replacing the
> a
>> >sunny day at 85 degrees and 70MPH, who cares? =A0;)
>>
>> no more smog in the people's rebublic of ma? -
>
>
>Don't rag on him for living with his mother. That's my job. :0)
you don't have the legs for it. besides, supra owners don't live with mommy.
they have amazingly hot gf's that like the back seat boogie.
doncha' know nuttin'?
som...@some.domain
standards for emissions and safety. ha! as long as you pass a smog, your car
passes. so, no brakes, no lights, no freakin' doors are ok.
diesl's don't even have to do that, nor motorcycles, atv's, tractors, mowers
and military vehicles. it's a joke.
som...@some.domain
>On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:00:39 -0800, "Cleo Baines Hafsteder"
><cl...@gbaines.net> wrote:
>
>> jealous you can't afford to purchase a TOYOTA?
>
>Who can?
>
>
som...@some.domain
in2dadark
in2dadark
in2dadark
> In article <7jb0h5trhc3m8fn7v1sqs3cs43nlru4...@4ax.com>, desertph...@invalid-address.net wrote:
> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:00:39 -0800, "Cleo Baines Hafsteder"
> ><c...@gbaines.net> wrote:
>
> >> jealous you can't afford to purchase a TOYOTA?
>
> >Who can?
>
> new? myabe bill grates.
Those amazingly hot gf's must like broke ass losers. That makes them
skanks. You just haven't gotten duh memo...
Wayne
"Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.11.27....@e86.GTS...
and the throttle linkage stuck on full throttle while driving it home.
Kept that piece of crap for 4 years. During that time, the paint started
peeling off the roof, I replaced the alternator twice, one a/c compressor,
the water pump three times, and 4 new mufflers. Lost track of the number of
belts that were used up. Once, a belt broke, wrapped around the fan and
punched a hole in the radiator. A/C clutch caught on fire. Oil seals blew.
You name it.
The radio had been bolted into the car with one of the wires clamped between
the radio and body. It quit working when the wire migrated through the
insulation. The door light switch was intermittent such that the interior
lights would attempt to come on when the car hit a bump. However, the
vibration was so quick that the lights didn't come on, but the radio had
static.
The flip up headlights wouldn't lift up is the car was going above 40 mph.
Occasionally, when driving down the road, one headlight would come up and
stay.
I won't even rent a GM car.
Mike Hunter
"Cleo Baines Hafsteder" <cl...@gbaines.net> wrote in message
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Hachiroku ハチロク
Wow. I could almost put up with that kind of stuff on my Supra. But the
things that were wrong were mostly fixed, and the rest isn't near that bad!
Mike Hunter
"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.11.27....@e86.GTS...
>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:13:00 -0800, Wayne wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "john" <john...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2cdea3ae-02f4-4315...@15g2000prz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>November 26, 2009
>>>>Howes: Toyota not looking so shiny now DANIEL HOWES
>>>>
>>>>Is the Toyota Motor Corp. juggernaut losing its conqueror-of-the-world
>>>>mojo?
>>>>
>>>>Because if it was a Detroit automaker that was recalling 4.26 million
>>>>vehicles to repair accelerator problems, or if it was a Detroit
>>>>automaker
>>>>that had broken its historic no-plant-closings pledge, or if it was a
>>>>Detroit automaker that had recalled more vehicles (2.38 million) in 2005
>>>>than it sold in the United States that year (2.26 million), the answer
>>>>would be an emphatic yes.
>>> -
>>> So what do you propose? Buy a GM car instead of a Toyota? <snort>
>>
>> Regardless of problems, I think Toyota will be around for a LONG time to
>> make good on their cars.
>>
>> I'm giving GM to the end of the year. THIS year...
>>
> Exactly...GM is nothing but government welfare for the auto workers union.
> Making cars is not on their radar.
Hachiroku ハチロク
You tell 'im!!!
I've been thinking of getting a 'special' license plate fot it: SML PNS
and then PROVE to any (female) that wants to know it's not! ;)
Mike Hunter
"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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som...@some.domain
could be.
som...@some.domain
>On Nov 27, 7:44=A0pm, some...@some.domain (some...@some.domain) wrote:
>> In article <7jb0h5trhc3m8fn7v1sqs3cs43nlru4...@4ax.com>, desertph...@inva=
>lid-address.net wrote:
>> >On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:00:39 -0800, "Cleo Baines Hafsteder"
>> ><c...@gbaines.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> jealous you can't afford to purchase a TOYOTA?
>>
>> >Who can?
>>
>> new? myabe bill grates.
>
>Those amazingly hot gf's must like broke ass losers. That makes them
>skanks. You just haven't gotten duh memo...
Hachiroku ハチロク
My Mom has an apartment downstairs. After an amazingly messy divorce I
took the 'in law' apartment and pretty much pay the bills so my Mom lives
relatively free. in2dadark likes to spin it the other way...
What I get out of it: parking for my SEVEN cars (moslty beaters and a
Scion tC) and a heated garage for the Supra. ;)
som...@some.domain
Hachiroku ハチロク
>>My Mom has an apartment downstairs. After an amazingly messy divorce I
>>took the 'in law' apartment and pretty much pay the bills so my Mom lives
>>relatively free. in2dadark likes to spin it the other way...
>>
>>What I get out of it: parking for my SEVEN cars (moslty beaters and a
>>Scion tC) and a heated garage for the Supra. ;)
>>
>>
>>
> ya gots yer priorities strait.
Actually, when I first came back here the heated garage was for my '85
Hachiroku!
http://image.turbomagazine.com/f/9904107/turp_0410_01_z+toyota_corolla_drift_car+front_view.jpg
http://www.drifting.es/fotos/coches/toyota/corolla/toyota-corolla-levin.jpg
(No existing picture of my own...)
Sharx35
"Hachiroku ハチロク" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
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Shit, up here in the sub-Arctic in Edmonton, Alberta, the majority of people
do NOT heat their garages. We do, though, if the temp. is, say, less than
minus 18 Celsius (O Fahrenheit) plug in our block heaters when parking at
home. Elsewhere, with synthetic oil, there is absolutely no starter drag
even at minus 45 Celsius.
som...@some.domain
som...@some.domain
we don't do cold.
Wayne
"Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
(But it did warm up to 73 during the day). Temps of 32f or lower make the
front page headline of the local newspaper!
in2dadark
mopars online. Come on hatchie..? She's living 'rent free'..? What are
duh taxes in Mass (and the repairs and utilities) on that place.
Then redo duh math and see who's living free...You kill me. YOu're a
democrat and don't even know it. Spin, spin..
Hachiroku ハチロク
It's a bit worn. 260,000 fun-filled miles, and in New England, sheet metal
just doesn't last much longer than 20 years, even though it only was
driven 1 winter.
It's in my backyard, waiting patiently. But the Supra is getting all the
tme and money...
I have my eye on an '88 Corolla FX that the body is in much better shape,
and a lot of the parts (including the 4A-GE Twin-Cam) can be moved to with
very little effort... ;)
Hachiroku ハチロク
> In article <ylkQm.53895$Db2.3911@edtnps83>, "Sharx35"
> <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Hachiroku ムムãƒã‚¯" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message
Damn! Where the hell are you? Hell?
som...@some.domain
Hachiroku ハチロク
>>> anything below 50f is not allowed.
>>> we don't do cold.
>>
>>
>>Damn! Where the hell are you? Hell?
>>
>>
> mojave desert. who needs cold and crap?
Like I said...Hell!
I don't think I could stand it. I start to melt ~85 degrees F....
som...@some.domain
when you go out in january with just a sweater, it becomes easy.
E. Meyer
On 11/27/09 8:38 AM, in article
8dCdnWrqedf_eZLW...@giganews.com, "z...@tink.net" <z...@tink.net>
wrote:
> <som...@some.domain> wrote in message
> news:%8CPm.279529$Jp1....@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>> In article
>> <d9b14ab6-de86-4e4b...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>> phaeton <blahb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This isn't new, either, suggesting that Toyota's troubles may be more
>>>> of a developing pattern than a one-time aberration. Two years ago,
>>>> before two-thirds of Detroit's automakers were tempered by the fires
>>>> of bankruptcy, the editor of the ostensibly "Japanese-loving" Consumer
>>>> Reports apologized to readers for recommending the problem-plagued
>>>> Camry V-6.
>>>>
>>>> He also said the magazine had decided new Toyota models could no
>>>> longer be given the benefit of the doubt -- or its prized
>>>> "recommended" label. And Toyota's V-8 powered Tundra four-wheel drive
>>>> pickup was labeled "unreliable" by the magazine, the unofficial Bible
>>>> to discerning car and truck buyers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I always take everything Consumer Reports says with a grain of salt.
>>
>> yeah, a 50 mile square grain.
>
> I have my own theory about Consumer Reports Ratings, when the ratings are a
> reflection of public response - who responds to the typical survey? Who
> writes letter to the editor? Who calls a corporate complaint/compliment
> line? Those who are not happy. So, in my own little not so humble opinion,
> CR public response ratings are skewed to the negative.
>
That may be true, but every time I have looked up CR's ratings for any car
I've owned over the past 40 years, the problems they predicted have matched
exactly with what I experienced.
som...@some.domain
while i don't totally disdain them, they are pretty one sided about a lot.
i suppose we could use the better than nothing argument.......
Hachiroku ハチロク
Where were you at?
som...@some.domain
Bill Yanaire, ESQ
<som...@some.domain> wrote in message
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> In article <elmop-D36398....@nothing.attdns.com>, "Elmo P.
> Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>In article <KUFPm.280001$Jp1.2...@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com>,
>> som...@some.domain (som...@some.domain) wrote:
>>
>>> >> >Maybe you mean harakiri?
>>> >> seppeku is the correct name.
>>> >> the other is stupid slang.
>>> >
>>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harakiri
>>> >
>>> >The most famous form of seppuku is also known as harakiri (y� R�0,
>>> >"cutting the belly") and is written with the same kanji as seppuku but
>>> >in reverse order with an okurigana. In Japanese, the more formal
>>> >seppuku, a Chinese on'yomi reading, is typically used in writing, while
>>> >harakiri, a native kun'yomi reading, is used in speech.
>>>
>>> exactly, "common useage" for the peasants.
>>
>>doesn't say that at all.
>>
>>I think your mom is calling you upstairs for dinner.
>
> typical no nothing attempt to assert pretend authority.
> you have no mother, you reproduced from fusion like all bacteria.
At least he isn't a Sheep Fucker like yourself.