Worst racing movie
kbfanSEO
wasn't really that great of a movie to most people, but I happen to love
that movie. But Driven is another subject all together. Talk about
unrealistic, that movie was pure crap. How could anyone stand watching that
movie for 5 minutes? It really makes CART look worse IMO. What do you all
think?
Melissa Eikenberry
My father, a die hard open wheel fan, was LIVID when we came out of the
theater.
Speaking of Sylvester Stallone, one of his earliest movies was '70's B-movie
"Death Race 2000". He's actually hilarious and over the top as an unstable
driver. (For those of you who have never seen Death Race 2000- Set in the
year 2000, racing is now a national (blood)sport and cross-country race
where points are scored when you run over people.)
Melissa
"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"
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Din
NASCAR, so I'm sure it will make Driven and Days of Thunder look like a
Blockbuster. Here's a link to read all about it:
http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/archives/6368554.htm
Or read it right now:
Britney Spears' NASCAR movie still a 'go'
By DAVID POOLE
The Charlotte Observer
The production company behind a planned NASCAR-themed movie starring
Britney Spears this week affirmed that the film is still in the works.
Responding to a report published over the weekend saying the project
was dead, Untitled BSP announced that the film titled "Trading Paint" is
proceeding as planned. Spears will be a producer and co-star. The script was
written by James Hart, who wrote such films as "Contact" and "Bram Stoker's
Dracula."
"Britney herself was surprised to hear that she had allegedly said she
would not be making the movie," said Ann Carli, who also produced Spears'
first film "Crossroads."
"We are concluding our financing and we'll be announcing our choice of
director shortly."
Spears will play the daughter of a NASCAR team owner who helps a
driver who drops out of racing under mysterious circumstances return to the
sport.
"kbfanSEO" <donte...@please.thankyou> wrote in message
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Wheeler
>
> Well don't worry, Britney Spears just finished filming a movie dedicated to
> NASCAR, so I'm sure it will make Driven and Days of Thunder look like a
> Blockbuster. Here's a link to read all about it:
> http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/archives/6368554.htm
>
> Or read it right now:
>
> Britney Spears' NASCAR movie still a 'go'
> By DAVID POOLE
> The Charlotte Observer
>
> The production company behind a planned NASCAR-themed movie starring
> Britney Spears this week affirmed that the film is still in the works.
> Responding to a report published over the weekend saying the project
> was dead, Untitled BSP announced that the film titled "Trading Paint" is
> proceeding as planned. Spears will be a producer and co-star. The script was
> written by James Hart, who wrote such films as "Contact" and "Bram Stoker's
> Dracula."
>
> "Britney herself was surprised to hear that she had allegedly said she
> would not be making the movie," said Ann Carli, who also produced Spears'
> first film "Crossroads."
>
> "We are concluding our financing and we'll be announcing our choice of
> director shortly."
>
> Spears will play the daughter of a NASCAR team owner who helps a
> driver who drops out of racing under mysterious circumstances return to the
> sport.
That's it. I'm hopping the first rocket to the moon.
This planet's doomed.
--
Wheeler
Regarding Mt. Rushmore: The Black Hills are sacred Indian ground.
Imagine the creepy feeling of four leering European faces staring
at your ancestors for eternity. -George Carlin
Krusty
<cow8the...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>Speaking of Sylvester Stallone, one of his earliest movies was '70's B-movie
>"Death Race 2000". He's actually hilarious and over the top as an unstable
>driver. (For those of you who have never seen Death Race 2000- Set in the
>year 2000, racing is now a national (blood)sport and cross-country race
>where points are scored when you run over people.)
DR 2000 is a B-movie classic...even my friends who hate racing loved
that movie.
Krusty
>Well don't worry, Britney Spears just finished filming a movie dedicated to
>NASCAR, so I'm sure it will make Driven and Days of Thunder look like a
>Blockbuster. Here's a link to read all about it:
>http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/archives/6368554.htm
>
>Or read it right now:
>
> Britney Spears' NASCAR movie still a 'go'
> By DAVID POOLE
> The Charlotte Observer
>
> The production company behind a planned NASCAR-themed movie starring
>Britney Spears this week affirmed that the film is still in the works.
> Responding to a report published over the weekend saying the project
>was dead, Untitled BSP announced that the film titled "Trading Paint" is
>proceeding as planned. Spears will be a producer and co-star. The script was
>written by James Hart, who wrote such films as "Contact" and "Bram Stoker's
>Dracula."
>
> "Britney herself was surprised to hear that she had allegedly said she
>would not be making the movie," said Ann Carli, who also produced Spears'
>first film "Crossroads."
>
> "We are concluding our financing and we'll be announcing our choice of
>director shortly."
>
> Spears will play the daughter of a NASCAR team owner who helps a
>driver who drops out of racing under mysterious circumstances return to the
>sport.
>
>
Don't worry...we've got at least a few years before we're subjected to
that garbage...if ever. It's not even in production yet, and the
Internet Movie Database doesn't have it listed as planned to be made
yet.
kbfanSEO
"Krusty" <Krust...@spamblockyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Still, the IMDb does have it.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0381661/
Krusty
Ooops...Guess I should've done a title search instead of just a
namesearch for Britney.
Ms.Goodwrench
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"Driven" makes "Days of Thunder" look like "Citizen Kane".
Jim Horne
"kbfanSEO" <donte...@please.thankyou> wrote in message
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Stroker Ace...
Mike Smith
It was like watching a cartoon. I had entertainment value, good FX,
but it is not a CART documentary.
Barbara Sherrill
"Jim Horne" <hor...@ufl.edu> wrote in message
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That was a stupid movie! The question should be: What is the best racing
movie? If there is one.
Barb
Robin Lee
"Din" <din...@rogers.com> writes:
> Spears will play the daughter of a NASCAR team owner who helps a
> driver who drops out of racing under mysterious circumstances return to the
> sport.
Gag a maggot...
Ms.Goodwrench
news:bn0s0v$b...@library1.airnews.net:
If we're talking stock car racing, hands down it's "The Last AMerican
Hero".
Mrbledsoe
"Barbara Sherrill" <bshe...@pdq.net> wrote in message
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> The question should be: What is the best racing
> movie? If there is one.
>
> Barb
That's easy "LeMans" with Steve McQueen. he did all of his own driving in
the movie. Rent it and check it out and you will see what I mean.
Ms.Goodwrench
$PZ1....@nwrdny03.gnilink.net:
Steve was also responsible for the documentary "On Any Sunday", the
"Endless Summer" of all forms of motorcycle racing.
Accipiter
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You'll notice that the CART name is never mentioned in the movie. That's
how much they loved it after seeing the POS. Worst racing movie ever. No
question.
--
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Accipiter
...was better than Driven.
Accipiter
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Yup. Best ever. It's just about the racing, and it looks awesome. Grand
Prix would be number 2, and Winning #3 for the Indy and Riverside footage,
though the whole John Boy Melodrama is pretty annoying.
As for Stock Car movies, I think I liked Greased Lightning the best.
Barry Posner
Accipiter wrote:
> You'll notice that the CART name is never mentioned in the movie. That's
> how much they loved it after seeing the POS. Worst racing movie ever. No
> question.
Yep. Did you know that at first, Sly wanted to set the movie in F1, but
after seeing the script, they basically gave him the boot?
bp
CathlynWilson
>
>DR 2000 is a B-movie classic...even my friends who hate racing loved
>that movie.
>
>
I just listed this under m"best movie". LOL
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Mark Stahl
"Barry Posner" <bup...@psu.edu> wrote in message
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yup. and not to defend the POS that was Driven, but the movie actually makes
much more sense when one understands that they were trying to use F1 as the
series. still a horrible, horrible movie.
Barry Posner
Mark Stahl wrote:
> yup. and not to defend the POS that was Driven, but the movie actually makes
> much more sense when one understands that they were trying to use F1 as the
> series. still a horrible, horrible movie.
I saw it on a flight, so I was spared shelling out any bucks for it.
It was fun to pick out the technical inaccuracies. The best (or worst,
depending on your point of view) was when the car flew into the pond,
and you had 20 or 30 gallons of methanol, diluted in thousands of
gallons of water, causing an explosion that looked like 5 tons of
dynamite going off.
bp
kbfanSEO
"Accipiter" <accip...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> kbfanSEO <donte...@please.thankyou> wrote in message
> news:i6Ikb.30261$Rd4.18241@fed1read07...
> > Anyone here ever seen Driven or Days of Thunder? Now, I know Days of
> Thunder
> > wasn't really that great of a movie to most people, but I happen to love
> > that movie. But Driven is another subject all together. Talk about
> > unrealistic, that movie was pure crap. How could anyone stand watching
> that
> > movie for 5 minutes? It really makes CART look worse IMO. What do you
all
> > think?
> >
> >
>
> You'll notice that the CART name is never mentioned in the movie. That's
> how much they loved it after seeing the POS. Worst racing movie ever. No
> question.
>
I could have sworn seeing the "Fed-ex championship series" logo at least
once in that movie. That's how I knew it was supposed to be about CART.
{88Keys}
wrote:
Oh, I don't know...I thought the premise of calling in a guy who
hasn't raced in 10 years to help a rookie driver who is consistantly
finishing second was the best (worst) part. I mean, right of the bat
this movie sucked.
{88Keys}
Eat my tailpipe, loser!
{88Keys}
<donte...@please.thankyou> wrote:
LIke I said in another post, I have barely watched NASCAR for 2 years,
and "Days of Thunder" still irritates me to no end. Tom Cruise
yelling every move he is gonna make over his radio, cars running as
fast as they can into a huge smokey wreck, the "rubbing"...I could go
on, but you all know all that stuff.
With all that said, I think Days of Thunder is a little better than
Driven. The story in Days was OK, though implausable. The acting was
OK as well. The thing I remember most about Driven was that the
acting was HORRIBLE. The plot was ridiculous and everything was
exaggerated. (Bp already mentioned the explosion in the lake). Days
of Thunder was somewhat entertaining at times... Driven just made me
cringe.
As a side note, if you want a good laugh, check out the user reviews
of "Days of Thunder" on the IMDb. My personal favorite:
ekstrak
london
Date: 30 September 2003
Summary: the best film in the world,... ever
"this film is the best film of all time. anyone who says is aint can
step outside. as the other guy says, it s**** n p***es all over
driven, and that film had everything going for it ! now days of
thunder on the other hand, this is in a different league entirely, its
not just a film, its a way of life. go buy a few copies and hand them
around to your friends.. they'll hold you in a completely new light,
you'll see. "
Indeed.
Wheeler
>
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:54:58 -0700, "kbfanSEO"
> <donte...@please.thankyou> wrote:
>
> >Anyone here ever seen Driven or Days of Thunder? Now, I know Days of Thunder
> >wasn't really that great of a movie to most people, but I happen to love
> >that movie. But Driven is another subject all together. Talk about
> >unrealistic, that movie was pure crap. How could anyone stand watching that
> >movie for 5 minutes? It really makes CART look worse IMO. What do you all
> >think?
>
> LIke I said in another post, I have barely watched NASCAR for 2 years,
> and "Days of Thunder" still irritates me to no end. Tom Cruise
> yelling every move he is gonna make over his radio, cars running as
> fast as they can into a huge smokey wreck, the "rubbing"...I could go
> on, but you all know all that stuff.
>
> With all that said, I think Days of Thunder is a little better than
> Driven. The story in Days was OK, though implausable. The acting was
> OK as well. The thing I remember most about Driven was that the
> acting was HORRIBLE. The plot was ridiculous and everything was
> exaggerated. (Bp already mentioned the explosion in the lake). Days
> of Thunder was somewhat entertaining at times... Driven just made me
> cringe.
My personal favorite moments of Days of Thunder:
When the drivers would get out of their cars after the race and look
like they've been working in a coal mine all day.
Cole bouncing off the wall, not once, not twice, but several times, and
still taking the lead and winning the race.
Nicole Kidman yelling, "Stop the cah, Cole! Stop the cah!"
Cole and Harry working on this thing called "drafting", like it's a new
concept.
But my real favorite moment (seriously):
Sliding those sugar packets up the inside of Nicole Kidman's long,
supple leg. <swoon>
Mark Solie
Gotta without a doubt be the one w/ Elvis Presley and Nancy Sinatra. I
think it was Speedway? Halfway through a race he can't figure why he's
so slow. Lo and behold the guy wakes up behind drivers seat. Another one
whos title I can't recall starred Marty Robbins as himself. The old man
and woman listening on the radio they kept using the same scene over and
over.
Stroker Ace and Six Pack weren't great but I confess I usually watch em
both whenever they're on the tube,
Mark Solie
Areo Gonum
>depending on your point of view) was when the car flew into the pond,
>and you had 20 or 30 gallons of methanol, diluted in thousands of
>gallons of water, causing an explosion that looked like 5 tons of
>dynamite going off.
I actually didn't have a problem with that part. At least no more so than I
have a problem with any other horribly overdone movie explosions anyway.
Ms.Goodwrench
That scene is where the movie completely lost me... before that, I was
enjoying it the same way I did "Days of Thunder" or any meat-headed
action flick. But the cars leaving the track and going into the water
thing, that was just too much.
The dime thing was pretty fucking stupid too.
SimRacer
"zenit" <ze...@thepressroom.com> wrote in message
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> On 20 Oct 2003 14:46:17 GMT, "Ms.Goodwrench"
> <msgoodwr...@hotmail.com>
> had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
> >"Barbara Sherrill" <bshe...@pdq.net> wrote in
> >news:bn0s0v$b...@library1.airnews.net:
> >
> >>
> >> "Jim Horne" <hor...@ufl.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:bn0o0m$ro1hi$1...@ID-148893.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >>>
> >>> "kbfanSEO" <donte...@please.thankyou> wrote in message
> >>> news:i6Ikb.30261$Rd4.18241@fed1read07...
> >>> : Anyone here ever seen Driven or Days of Thunder?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> That was a stupid movie! The question should be: What is the best
> >> racing movie? If there is one.
> >>
> >> Barb
> >>
> >
> >If we're talking stock car racing, hands down it's "The Last AMerican
> >Hero".
>
> Road"... All about runnin' shine and stuff... For its day, it was
> pretty thrilling...
>
> I'm so easily amused...
>
> <! -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >
> zenit
'Thunder Road' was a gooden zenit. As was 'Grand Prix' and 'LeMans'. I saw a
REALLY old movie on TCM a while back that had a storyline about a local
southern racer that ended up racing on dirt, and romancing the female lead,
and the big goal was to enter and win the Southern 500 at Darlington with a
borrowed car maybe?. I can't recall the title or the guy that was the main
star, but it was decent to be a 1950's era B&W flick (IIRC).
Accipiter
news:3F940D13...@psu.edu...
Yes. Smart guy, that Ecclestone.
Accipiter
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:34:19 -0400, "Accipiter"
> <accip...@hotmail.com>
> had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
> >news:i6Ikb.30261$Rd4.18241@fed1read07...
> >> Anyone here ever seen Driven or Days of Thunder? Now, I know Days of
> >Thunder
> >> wasn't really that great of a movie to most people, but I happen to
love
> >> that movie. But Driven is another subject all together. Talk about
> >> unrealistic, that movie was pure crap. How could anyone stand watching
> >that
> >> movie for 5 minutes? It really makes CART look worse IMO. What do you
all
> >> think?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >You'll notice that the CART name is never mentioned in the movie. That's
> >how much they loved it after seeing the POS. Worst racing movie ever. No
> >question.
>
> Rooney... Think about that for awhile...
>
Oh, I've seen The Big Wheel. That was defiantly in consideration when I
made that remark. So was that crappy Elvis racing movie.
BTW, I think the new Brittney Spears movie is using the script from The Big
Wheel.
Accipiter
I'm sure you saw the logos, since much the race footage was shot at their
events. But no one ever mentioned the name CART.
Accipiter
That's big fun as far as technical errors go. But my favorite was hopping
in the cars and starting them up to drive them on the streets when they
don't have onboard starters.
Barry Posner
Accipiter wrote:
> That's big fun as far as technical errors go. But my favorite was hopping
> in the cars and starting them up to drive them on the streets when they
> don't have onboard starters.
Show cars don't have motors, either.
bp
4-X-Champ
"Wheeler" <wheel...@hotmailDONTSENDSPAM.com> wrote in message
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>> My personal favorite moments of Days of Thunder:
>
> When the drivers would get out of their cars after the race and look
> like they've been working in a coal mine all day.
> Cole bouncing off the wall, not once, not twice, but several times, and
> still taking the lead and winning the race.
> Nicole Kidman yelling, "Stop the cah, Cole! Stop the cah!"
> Cole and Harry working on this thing called "drafting", like it's a new
> concept.
>
> But my real favorite moment (seriously):
> Sliding those sugar packets up the inside of Nicole Kidman's long,
> supple leg. <swoon>
>
>
his pit crew to give him 4 fresh tires, then proceeds to blast down pit road and t-bone
the race winner on his victory lap.
That stunt would have had any real driver banned from racing for life and facing lawsuits
which would have left him penniless and probably in jail for attempted murder.
Barry Posner
zenit wrote:
> Didn't Elvis do something along that story line...? His probably isn't
> the movie you're talking about, because I don't think his first movie
> came out until '59... I remember he got killed at the end, and a bunch
> of us guys applauded... That was not a smart move, as none of us could
> get our girl friends on the phone for a week...
>
> Maybe a search of that movie data base might turn something up...
Thinking of "Speedway"? You can see the trailer at:
http://videodetective.com/home.asp?PublishedID=2113
bp
william lynch
nos...@fakeaddress.com wrote on 10/20/03 8:08 PM:
Yeah, but the scene with Estella Warren in the pool
was great.
william lynch
areo...@aol.comw00t wrote on 10/21/03 4:04 AM:
"Didn't have a problem"? Water is used to specifically
prevent methanol from flaring up. Once it dilutes
past a certain point, it *can't* catch fire.
Barry Posner
william lynch wrote:
> "Didn't have a problem"? Water is used to specifically
> prevent methanol from flaring up. Once it dilutes
> past a certain point, it *can't* catch fire.
Yep.
Did you know that most liquors are 40% alcohol, 60% water because this
is the lowest concentration of alcohol at which the mixture will burn.
If the whiskey didn't burn, it could have been 38%, 32%, 18%, whatever.
The flame test was the easiest way of measuring concentration in the old
days.
bp
Liz Collins
Re: Worst racing movie
Group: rec.autos.sport.nascar Date: Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 11:39am From:
bup...@psu.edu (Barry Posner)
Actually,some of them do(tho not a good one).
In Dale jrs book ( yep,I read it ) he refused to ride a motorized bar
stool at an appearance
so as a copromise he did laps in the show car
( he did say he thought it was gonna blow!)
Carey Akin
> I'm sure you saw the logos, since much the race footage was shot at their
> events. But no one ever mentioned the name CART.
>
Yes, but the patches, logos, etc. certainly identified C^RT. Don't deny the
movie wasn't about C^RT.
Carey in Manvel
Areo Gonum
>>> depending on your point of view) was when the car flew into the pond,
>>> and you had 20 or 30 gallons of methanol, diluted in thousands of
>>> gallons of water, causing an explosion that looked like 5 tons of
>>> dynamite going off.
>>
>> I actually didn't have a problem with that part. At least no more so than
>I
>> have a problem with any other horribly overdone movie explosions anyway.
>
>"Didn't have a problem"? Water is used to specifically
>prevent methanol from flaring up. Once it dilutes
>past a certain point, it *can't* catch fire.
I'm aware of that. My point was that things explode in unlikely ways in movies
all the time. This isn't really much worse than most of the others.
On the other hand, I seem to recall* that you could actually see the flames and
whatnot during the explosion which would seem to indicate that they were using
gasoline.
P.S. Don't get the idea that I'm defending this crappy movie in any manner.
*I have done the best I can to sear this movie from my mind. Thank you for
bringing it back up.
william lynch
areo...@aol.comw00t wrote on 10/21/03 4:07 PM:
OK. Understood.
>
> *I have done the best I can to sear this movie from my mind. Thank you for
> bringing it back up.
Just think of Estella Warren in the pool. The rest of
it was a bad burrito.
william lynch
ze...@thepressroom.com wrote on 10/21/03 4:47 PM:
> On 21 Oct 2003 23:07:23 GMT, areo...@aol.comw00t (Areo Gonum)
> had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
>>>>> It was fun to pick out the technical inaccuracies. The best (or worst,
>>>>> depending on your point of view) was when the car flew into the pond,
>>>>> and you had 20 or 30 gallons of methanol, diluted in thousands of
>>>>> gallons of water, causing an explosion that looked like 5 tons of
>>>>> dynamite going off.
>>>>
>>>> I actually didn't have a problem with that part. At least no more so than
>>> I
>>>> have a problem with any other horribly overdone movie explosions anyway.
>>>
>>> "Didn't have a problem"? Water is used to specifically
>>> prevent methanol from flaring up. Once it dilutes
>>> past a certain point, it *can't* catch fire.
>
> Geez, guys... The producers pay the pyrotechnic guys hundreds of
> thousands of dollars to do their thing, and all you can do is piss and
> moan that it ain't real...
>
> Of Course, It Ain't Real, It's A Fuckin' Movie...!
>
Yeah, but the whole idea is that it is supposed to make
you *believe* that it was real. I just saw 'SWAT' last
night, and until the airplane scene (I will say no more)
I had very little trouble believing. 'Drivel' had me
angry at the production crew before the credits were
finished.
Oops. I meant 'Driven'. I think.
grybeard
"william lynch" <x@y.z> wrote in message news:BBBB836D.BC65%x@y.z...
I determined It was a lame movie when I saw the previews, so I never saw it.
I seem to remember a movie I saw, a long time ago, about Richard Petty.
Don't remember the name of it, or much of anything else. But I do remember
it was
good and accurate. Thats probably why it was'nt a "biggie"
Barry Posner
Carey Akin wrote:
> Yes, but the patches, logos, etc. certainly identified C^RT. Don't deny the
> movie wasn't about C^RT.
It wasn't about CART. That was merely the setting.
bp
Ms.Goodwrench
news:6u0bpvgp3mmahuvvh...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:37:40 -0400, Barry Posner <bup...@psu.edu>
> had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
>>
>>
> There 'ya go... I couldn't remember the name of the movie because it
> didn't seem to fit the subject... :o)
>
Caught about 10 min. of the Frankie & Annette racing magnum opus
"Fireball 500" on tv this morning... at least Fabian was in it too.
Ms.Goodwrench
Ever notice she has but one facial expression?...
Barry Posner
"Ms.Goodwrench" wrote:
> Ever notice she has but one facial expression?...
Well, that's one more than Charlie Sheen.
bp
Ms.Goodwrench
news:k7hbpvgimid3vdhuk...@4ax.com:
> On 21 Oct 2003 23:07:23 GMT, areo...@aol.comw00t (Areo Gonum)
> had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
>>>>> It was fun to pick out the technical inaccuracies. The best (or
>>>>> worst, depending on your point of view) was when the car flew into
>>>>> the pond, and you had 20 or 30 gallons of methanol, diluted in
>>>>> thousands of gallons of water, causing an explosion that looked
>>>>> like 5 tons of dynamite going off.
>>>>
>>>> I actually didn't have a problem with that part. At least no more
>>>> so than
>>>I
>>>> have a problem with any other horribly overdone movie explosions
>>>> anyway.
>>>
>>>"Didn't have a problem"? Water is used to specifically
>>>prevent methanol from flaring up. Once it dilutes
>>>past a certain point, it *can't* catch fire.
>
> Geez, guys... The producers pay the pyrotechnic guys hundreds of
> thousands of dollars to do their thing, and all you can do is piss and
> moan that it ain't real...
>
> Of Course, It Ain't Real, It's A Fuckin' Movie...!
>
Yeah, but I hate the big giant explosion thing, too... I had the
pleasure of watching a late model Ford pickup burn about 10 years ago,
and though there was kind of a "whomp" when the gas tank of the truck
and the riding mower it was hauling blew up, it wasn't a tenth of what
they show in movies. It was very anticlimactic, and I think every one
of us standing around watching were deeply disappointed.
If it had been a movie, there woulda been a massive fireball and half
the city would've burned as a result ;-)
Ms.Goodwrench
news:vpcr8cb...@corp.supernews.com:
Sounds like "Redline 7000".
I checked imdb.com and they have no listing for it.
Ms.Goodwrench
news:6ailb.188335$0v4.14...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
Kinda like all those NFL movies where they never use the term NATIONAL
FOOTBALL LEAGUE or NFL, eh? Which recent movie was it where the NFL was
actually involved and had licensed or okayed the use of the real team
names, but backed out shortly before filming started? "Any Given
Sunday", or maybe "The Replacements"? Can't remember for certain...
Jim Horne
"Ms.Goodwrench" <msgoodwr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: william lynch <x@y.z> wrote in news:BBBADDF3.BB77%x@y.z:
:
: >>
: > Yeah, but the scene with Estella Warren in the pool
: > was great.
: >
:
:
: Ever notice she has but one facial expression?...
BOTOX!
Jen
might not be that good but I like it
Jen for #20 in 2003
FDRanger92
I'll have to look at her face next time I see her in something. ;-)
Ms.Goodwrench
news:dm4dpvkf6mkju9vbj...@4ax.com:
> On 22 Oct 2003 13:49:33 GMT, "Ms.Goodwrench"
> <msgoodwr...@hotmail.com>
> had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
> It was "Replacements" and the NFL screwed the pooch on that one
> because it was a damned good movie... OK, maybe it wasn't that good,
> but I was close to the real story (Redskins) and the producers didn't
> stray for effect... I gave it 3 helmets...
>
We liked it a lot too. My kid owns a copy of about every football movie
ever made and it's one of his top 5, I believe.
Ms.Goodwrench
news:zdadncmxzan...@buckeye-express.com:
Advice from a fellow Tony Stewart fan and chick racing nut? Stop the
top posting... some of the folks here get downright rabid about it!
SimRacer
LOL! No, I remember 'Speedway'. No, the one I am thinking of only had a
couple of B-list stars in it. Would probably have been considered a B movie
today too. I looked at a couple of databases yesterday after I posted that
and couldn't find the movie or the lead's name. It must be pretty obscure
beyond coming on TCM or ACM, wherever it was that I saw it. It was
definitely about stock car racing in the South and Darlington was the big
deal.
Accipiter
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OK I won't. You should be careful using those tricky double negatives.
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Accipiter
>
>
> Accipiter wrote:
>
> > That's big fun as far as technical errors go. But my favorite was
hopping
> > in the cars and starting them up to drive them on the streets when they
> > don't have onboard starters.
>
> Show cars don't have motors, either.
>
I have seen teams fire up engines at car launches before, which was
supposed to be what that scene was. They could have had working engines in
them, but they definitely wouldn't have onboard starters.
william lynch
msgoodwr...@hotmail.com wrote on 10/22/03 6:22 AM:
Uh, no . . .
;-)
william lynch
msgoodwr...@hotmail.com wrote on 10/22/03 6:43 AM:
The fact that Bruce Willis wasn't there should have tipped you off.
william lynch
ze...@thepressroom.com wrote on 10/22/03 7:26 AM:
> On 22 Oct 2003 13:49:33 GMT, "Ms.Goodwrench"
> <msgoodwr...@hotmail.com>
> had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
> It was "Replacements" and the NFL screwed the pooch on that one
> because it was a damned good movie... OK, maybe it wasn't that good,
> but I was close to the real story (Redskins) and the producers didn't
> stray for effect... I gave it 3 helmets...
>
Well, aside from the fact that the "Redskins" played in
Baltimore, and the film was obviously shot in the spring,
Brooke Langton looked great.
And she had more than one facial expression, so there.
william lynch
ze...@thepressroom.com wrote on 10/22/03 7:21 AM:
> On 22 Oct 2003 13:43:29 GMT, "Ms.Goodwrench"
> <msgoodwr...@hotmail.com>
> Even a thirteen year old knows not to pay $6.50 to see a car go
> "whomp"... That's who these movies are made for and that's why they
> blow the hell out of stuff... Hell, it's fun just to watch it, even if
> it doesn't reflect "reality"... Call it pyrotechnic license, if you
> will...
>
SIX fifty?! Where do you live? Movies are $9.50 here.
william lynch
ze...@thepressroom.com wrote on 10/22/03 10:16 AM:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:36:59 GMT, "SimRacer"
> <no-unc.ta...@mindspring.com-spam>
> had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
>>
> For a pretty good memory jogger, try this site...
>
> http://www.sandcastlevi.com/movies/racefilm.htm
>
> I may have missed it, but nothing about your movie of interest...
> There's a number of oldies that sound worse than anything we've come
> up with, which points to the fact that crap has been a staple of
> Hollywood for a long time... A fun read and gives up Googles galore...
>
I was starting to think that this was a great site, until I
saw that the idiot gave 'drivel' THREE stars. Money talks.
SAP...@nospam.nhra
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:27:01 GMT, william lynch <x@y.z>
>> SIX fifty?! Where do you live? Movies are $9.50 here.
>
Sue is an action verb for us Jews!
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__________________________
It ain't rocket science:
Go Fast. Turn Left.
BIG R DUDE
>Ever notice she has but one facial expression?...
>
>
I never even realized that she has a head.
wayne mann
>
>Yeah, but I hate the big giant explosion thing, too... I had the
>pleasure of watching a late model Ford pickup burn about 10 years ago,
>and though there was kind of a "whomp" when the gas tank of the truck
>and the riding mower it was hauling blew up, it wasn't a tenth of what
>they show in movies. It was very anticlimactic, and I think every one
>of us standing around watching were deeply disappointed.
>
>If it had been a movie, there woulda been a massive fireball and half
>the city would've burned as a result ;-)
>
The movies would have you believe that whenever a car has a
wreck, there is _ALWAYS_ a HUGE explosion and fire. However up into
the 60's, I think it was, that wasn't true, then it has gone from bad
to worse ever since! That and the ramps they build so a car will flip
over another car, instead of just running into it, and of course, the
car _MUST_ explode just as it is hurtling through the air, spinning
upside down!
It so obviously faked now that anyone that likes it, has some
real mental problems, separating fiction and reality!
\\/ayne //\ann
wayne mann
>in article 6e4dpv0mbhphq1ei0...@4ax.com, zenit at
>ze...@thepressroom.com wrote on 10/22/03 7:21 AM:
>
>> Even a thirteen year old knows not to pay $6.50 to see a car go
>> "whomp"... That's who these movies are made for and that's why they
>> blow the hell out of stuff... Hell, it's fun just to watch it, even if
>> it doesn't reflect "reality"... Call it pyrotechnic license, if you
>> will...
>>
>SIX fifty?! Where do you live? Movies are $9.50 here.
Boy, am I ever glad my kids are all grown! "Dad, can we go to
a movie?" "Sure, will a couple hundred be enough?" Help!!!!!!!!!
\\/ayne //\ann
wayne mann
<cma...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>"Accipiter" <accip...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:bn3jui$svnv2$3...@ID-15366.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>> I'm sure you saw the logos, since much the race footage was shot at their
>> events. But no one ever mentioned the name CART.
>>
>Yes, but the patches, logos, etc. certainly identified C^RT. Don't deny the
>movie wasn't about C^RT.
>
>Carey in Manvel
>
Hollywood Goes Racing
http://www.sandcastlevi.com/movies/racefilm.htm
The Crowd Roars
Warner Brothers (1932 - BW/70 min.)
Plot: Exciting racing driver tale with Cagney in
typically cocky role, familiar plot devices, but well done.
-- Leonard Maltin, 1998 Movie & Video Guide.
* James Cagney
* Joan Blondell
* Ann Dvorak
* Eric Linden
* Guy Kibbee
* Frank McHugh
* Directed by Howard Hawk
Comments: I've never seen this one, but it's the earliest
racing film to which I can find reference. It was remade
a few years later as Indianapolis Speedway with Pat
O'Brien in the starring role.
Indianapolis Speedway
Warner Brothers (1939 - BW/82 min.) **
Plot: National racing champion Joe Greer (Pat O'Brien)
comes home to find that his younger brother Eddie
(John Payne) is beginning to build a racing career for
himself. But Joe wants his brother to make a better life
for himself by going to college. When Eddie continues
his racing, Joe becomes more aggressive in his attempts
to make Eddie stop, resulting in the fiery death of a
long-time family friend and fellow driver Spud
O'Connor (Frank McHugh). After giving up racing for
a time, Joe comes back to help Eddie win the
Indianapolis 500.
* Pat O'Brien as "Joe Greer"
* John Payne as "Eddie Greer"
* Frank McHugh as "Spud O'Connor"
* Ann Sheridan as Joe's lady friend "Frankie"
* Gale Page as Eddie's lady friend "Lee"
* Directed by Lloyd Bacon
Comments: The film starts out with the Greer brothers
competing in dirt track races on the West Coast and
eventually focuses in on the Indianapolis 500.
Considering the movie-making technology of the time,
the racing scenes are good -- though unspectacular by
today's standards. The standouts are the scenes taken
from an actual 1930s Indianapolis race. A big portion of
the film is taken up with the personal relationship
between the two brothers and with their respective lady
friends. Note that Frank McHugh also appeared in the
1932 original The Crowd Roars
The Big Wheel
United Artists (1949 - BW/92 min.) **
Plot: Billy Coy (Mickey Rooney) comes to California to
follow in the footsteps of his father, who was killed
during an Indianapolis 500 race. The elder Coy's former
team mate and friend (Thomas Mitchell) takes Bill
under his wing and soon has him winning sprint car
races along the West Coast. But when Billy is blamed
for the accidental death of his racing team mate and is
rejected by the other local drivers, he takes off for the
Mid-West, where he eventually finds himself in
contention to win the Indianapolis 500.
* Mickey Rooney as "Billy Coy"
* Thomas Mitchell as Billy's mentor "Arthur"
* Steve Brodie as Billy's team mate
* Spring Byington as Billy's mother "Mary"
* Hattie McDaniel as Billy's lady friend
* Directed by Edward Ludwig
Comments: The racing scenes are better produced than
in the 1939 Indianapolis Speedway. The sprint races
aren't a blur of blown dust (as in the previous film),
giving a better view of the action, but the Indianapolis
500 footage is again the highlight. The plot has a few
twists from the two earlier films, but the basic plot
elements are all there. Again, the interpersonal
relationships take up the major portion of the film.
To Please A Lady
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (1950 - BW/91 min.) ***
Plot: Mike Brannan (Clark Gable) is a former Indy 500
driver and World War Two hero who is trying to
rebuild his interrupted racing career on the tough
northeastern midget circuit. Regina Forbes (Barbara
Stanwyck) is an aggressive and successful national
newspaper columnist who becomes interested in
Brannan because the former war hero's rough driving
has made him into a dirt track villain. Forbes' attack on
Brannan results in his being blacklisted from midget
racing and forces him to take a job as a stunt driver in
Joie Chitwood's Thrill Show. But, Forbes' fascination
with Brannan turns to love and she attempts to reform
him when he switches to racing "Big Cars". The finale
takes place at the 1950 Indy 500.
* Clark Gable as "Mike Brannan"
* Barbara Stanwyck as "Regina Forbes"
* Adolph Menjou as Regina's assistant
* Will Geer as Mike's Indy crew chief
* Directed by Clarence Brown
Comments: Clark Gable loved auto racing so much that
he later said that he would have done this film for free!
His enthusiasm shows in the racing scenes which were
shot at Carroll Speedway in Los Angeles (Midgets), on
the one mile fairgrounds dirt track at Del Mar,
California ("Big Cars") and during the running of the
1950 Indy 500. The finale at Indy features a terrific
battle between Brannan and three-time Indy 500
champion Mauri Rose (played by himself). Racing
scenes and special effects are very good for the era.
Gable and Stanwyck really sizzle in this surprisingly
contemporary story about love and ethics. To Please A
Lady is available on video through MGM/UA Home
Video, 2500 Broadway, Santa Monica, CA 90404-3061.
[Contributed by Robby McHenry]
The Racers
20th Century Fox (1955 - Color/112 min.) ***
Plot: Gino Borgesa (Kirk Douglas) is a driver for a
small independent team that's trying to make it in the
big-time European race circuit. When he gets a break
and the chance to drive for an established team, his
agressiveness soon results in his winning the world
driving championship, but also lands in him trouble
with both of is team mates (Gilbert Roland and Cesar
Romero) and his lady friend (Bella Darvi). But when
Dell'Oro (Roland) suffers a serious accident, Gino stops
while leading a big race to help his friend.
* Kirk Douglas as "Gino Borgesa"
* Gilbert Roland as Gino's team mate "Dell'Oro"
* Cesar Romera as Gino's team mate "Carlos"
* Lee J. Cobb as Gino's team manager "Mario"
* Bella Darvi as Gino's lady friend "Nickie"
* Directed by Henry Hathaway
Comments: Color comes to auto racing films in a big
way. Despite the age of this film, it has great action
sequences of both sports car and grand prix races in
such exotic racing locales as Monaco (Monte Carlo),
Nurburgring (Germany), Spa (Belgium), Reims
(France), and the Mille Miglia (Italy). The in-cockpit
closeups of the drivers are obviously superimposed on
projected background images, but the photography of
the cars on the track is excellent and an interesting
study of European road racing during the 1950s. The
interpersonal relationships are there, of course, but they
don't overwhelm the racing action.
Grand Prix
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (1966 - Color/171 min.) ****
Plot: Pete Aron (James Garner) is an American grand
prix driver with a reputation for hard luck and causing
accidents. When his team mate (Brian Bedford) is
critically injured in an accident involving Pete, he's
fired from the team. However, Pete soon finds himself
driving and winning for a new Japanese team that's
trying to make it in the grand prix scene. Along the way,
Pete has a fling with his former team mate's wife
(Jessica Walters), and another driver (Yves Montand),
who's ready to retire and settle down with his lover
(Eva Marie Saint), doesn't survive his last race.
* James Garner as "Pete Aron"
* Brian Bedford as "Scott Stoddard"
* Yves Montand as "Jean-Piere Sarte"
* Antonio Sabato as "Nino Barlini"
* Toshira Mifuno as "Izo Yamura"
* Eva Marie Saint as Sarte's lover "Louise"
* Jessica Walters as Stoddard's wife "Pat"
* Francoise Hardy as Barlini's lady friend "Lisa"
* Antonio Celi as "Il Commendatore"
* Directed by John Frankenheimer
* Academy Awards for "Film Editing" and "Sound"
Comments: Grand Prix set a new standard that all
future racing films would have to live up to. Although
the interpersonal relationships take up an unnecessarily
large portion of the film (in my view), the racing action
is superb. Action sequences from actual grand prix
races in such places as Monaco (Monte Carlo), Spa
(Belgium), Zandvoort (Netherlands), Brands Hatch
(United Kingdom), and Monza (Italy) are seamlessly
matched to staged sequences at those same locations in
which many of the actual race drivers -- and James
Garner himself -- did the driving. The "driver's view"
scenes were filmed by a camera mounted to the nose of a
Ford GT-40 sports race car for added realism. By the
way, race fans will recognize that the helmet colors
worn by the four main characters are the colors
actually worn by: (Chris Amon aka Pete Aron, John
Surtees aka Jean-Pierre Sarte, Jackie Stewart aka Scott
Stoddard, and Lorenzo Bandini aka Nino Barlini).
Other grand prix drivers of the time, including Dan
Gurney and his Eagle, Phil Hill, Graham Hill, Richie
Ginther, Bob Bondurant, Jochen Rindt, Jo Bonnier,
Mike Spence, and Jim Clark (in cockpit only) also make
cameo appearances. Grand Prix was originally filmed in
Cinerama (a superwide screen format) and must have
been spectacular to see on the BIG screen
(unfortunately I never had that opportunity). However,
even on video on a 25" TV screen its a sight to see. True
racing fans will fast forward through the "interludes"
between races to get to the good stuff!
Winning
Universal (1969 - Color/123 min.) ***
Plot: After winning a Can-Am sports car race, Frank
Capua (Paul Newman) meets and soon marries a young
woman (Joanne Woodward), and begins to develop
family ties with her and her teenaged son (Richard
Thomas). But when Frank's wife has an affair with
racing rival Lou Erding (Robert Wagner), the rivalry
takes on a more personal note that carries into their
attempts to win the Indianapolis 500.
* Paul Newman as "Frank Capua"
* Robert Wagner as "Lou Erding"
* Joanne Woodward as Frank's wife "Elora"
* Richard Thomas as Elora's son "Charley"
* David Scheiner as team owner "Crawford"
* Directed by James Goldstone
Comments: Almost half the film is gone before we see
the main racing event, the Indy 500. Before that, there
are a few short scenes of the opening Can-Am race and
two stock car road races (at Riverside and Elkhart
Lake). Although the Indianapolis footage has a few
discrepancies (like intercutting scenes from the 1966,
1967, and 1968 races) it's a special treat for me because
the cars driven by Paul Newman and Robert Wagner
are Dan Gurney Eagles. In fact the red No. 3 driven by
Paul Newman's character was the one actually driven
by Bobby Unser to an Indianapolis 500 victory in 1968
and the blue No. 42 driven by Robert Wagner's
character was actually driven by Jerry Grant and
Dennis Hulme (in different years). Incidentally, Paul
Newman, soon after the making of this film, began a
second career as a very successful race driver, winning
several national sports car championships. He later
became involved in Indy Car racing as part owner of
the team for which Indy Car legends Mario and
Michael Andretti drove for many years.
Le Mans
Cinema Center Films (1971 - Color/106 min.) *****
Plot: Michael Delaney (Steve McQueen) returns to the
24-hour sports car endurance race at Le Mans, France
after being involved in an accident the prior year that
killed racing rival Belgetti. Delaney meets Belgetti's
widow, Lisa (Elga Andersen), and (it is implied) begins
to develop a relationship with her. Meanwhile, the 24-
hour race turns into a fierce battle between the Gulf
Porsche and Ferrari teams.
* Steve McQueen as "Michael Delaney"
* Siegfried Rauch as "Eric Stahler"
* Fred Haltiner as "Johan Ritter"
* Luc Merenda as "Claude Auroc"
* Christopher Waite as "Larry Wilson"
* Angello Infanti as "Lugo Abratte"
* Ronald Leigh-Hunt as "David Townsend"
* Elga Andersen as "Lisa Belgetti"
* Louise Edlind as "Ana Ritter"
* Directed by Lee H. Katzin
Comments: Without question, for the race fan, Le Mans
is the unquestioned King! Steve McQueen, who before
his death had a personal passion for auto racing, was
painstakingly detailed in overseeing the production of
this film -- and it shows. Less than 15 minutes of the film
takes place off the race track, and the photography is
exquisite in its detail and realism. Watching Le Mans is
as close as you'll get to being at a Le Mans race without
flying to France in mid-June! The "driver's view"
sequences in the driving rain give you a clear
understanding of the courage (or stupidity, some might
say) of the drivers who do this for a living. Another
highlight is McQueen's Porsche 917 tearing itself apart
against the guard rails in excruciatingly detailed slow
motion. Some of the real-life drivers who participated in
the making of Le Mans included past winners of the 24-
Hours of Le Mans, such as Derek Bell, Jackie Ickx, and
Masten Gregory. If you're a racing fan and want just
one racing film for your collection, this is it!
Heart Like a Wheel
20th Century Fox (1983 - Color/113 min.) ****
Plot: True biographical story of Shirley Muldowney's
struggle to break into the "man's only" world of
professional drag racing. Muldowney (played by Bonnie
Bedelia) ran her first professional race in 1966, and by
1977 had become the first woman to win the NHRA
World Championship in the Top Fuel class (the
premiere drag racing category). She won a second
World Championship in 1980 and followed with a third
in 1982. Muldowney's rise to fame wasn't without its
setbacks, however, including a stormy romance with
fellow drag racer Connie Kalitta (played by Beau
Bridges) and a fiery engine explosion in 1973 that
almost ended her career. In 1998, Shirley Muldowney
was still a competitor and winner in Top Fuel drag
racing.
* Bonnie Bedelia as "Shirley Muldowney"
* Beau Bridges as "Connie Kalitta"
* Bill McKinney as "'Big Daddy' Don Garlits"
* Hoyt Axton as "Tex Roque"
* Leo Rossi as Shirley's husband "Jack Muldowney"
* Anthony Edwards as Shirley's son "John
Muldowney"
* Directed by Jonathan Kaplan
Comments: Unlike all of the other racing films discussed
here, this is the only one that's based on the real-life
story of a race driver. Despite a lot of non-racing scenes,
Shirley Muldowney's rise through the ranks of drag
racing's elite is an interesting and emotional one, and
the well done, if short, racing sequences add to the
realism and drama.
Days of Thunder
Paramount (1990 - Color/107 min.) **
Plot: NASCAR stock car racing team owner Tim
Deland (Randy Quaid) convinces Harry Hogge (Robert
Duvall) to come out of retirement to manage his new
team. Hogge takes the hot shot sprint car driver Cole
Trickle (Tom Cruise) under his wing and teaches him
the ropes in NASCAR racing. But when Cole tangles
with super aggressive competitor Rowdy Burks
(Michael Rooker), the results are a lot of twisted race
cars and a violent crash that puts both Cole and Rowdy
in the hospital. There, Cole meets and begins to fall for
the pretty Doctor Claire Lewicki (Nicole Kidman) and
begins physical therapy that eventually returns him to
the race track. Rowdy isn't so lucky, however, and Cole
has trouble getting the guilt for Rowdy's injuries from
his mind. Of course, he eventually does and goes on to
win the Daytona 500.
* Tom Cruise as "Cole Trickle"
* Robert Duvall as "Harry Hogge"
* Randy Quaid as "Tim Deland"
* Michael Rooker as "Rowdy Burks"
* Cary Edwes as "Russ Wheeler"
* Nicole Kidman as "Dr. Claire Lewicki"
* Directed by Tony Scott
Comments: Despite the big-name actors and fast-paced
stock car racing sequences, I found this film to be the
most disappointing of the ones discussed here. The main
reason is that Days of Thunder comes off as "Top Gun
on Wheels," with little realism in the overly aggressive
and downright dangerous antics of the featured drivers
and the complete lack of disciplinary sanctions being
imposed by NASCAR. Although NASCAR racing is
known and loved for it's fender-to-fender and bumper-
to-bumper close racing, what this film presents verges
on "science fiction" in my opinion. The main characters
-- Cole Trickle, Rowdy Burks, and Russ Wheeler --
would all have been either dead or permanently banned
from NASCAR (and perhaps all) racing if real life stock
car racing was this wild. I would have preferred a more
realistic portrayal of NASCAR racing without all the
"slam bang" goings on.
Driven
Warner Brothers (2001 - Color/127 min.) ***
Plot: Basically an "open wheel" version of Days of
Thunder, this film is based on a hot rivalry in the CART
Champ Car series, where team manager Carl Henry
(Burt Reynolds) brings back retired racer Joe Tanto
(Sylvester Stallone) to mentor young driver Jimmy Bly
(Kip Pardue), who's losing his nerve on the race circuit.
A hot rivalry ensues between Bly and German racer
Beau Brandenburg (Til Schweiger) both on and off the
track as a love interest gets involved. The near fatal
crash of fellow driver Mimo Moreno (Cristian de la
Fuente) gets the rivals to thinking about what's really
important in life, and things end up pretty well for all
concerned.
* Sylvester Stallone as "Joe Tanto"
* Kip Pardue as "Jimmy Bly"
* Til Scheiger as "Beau Brandenburg"
* Cristian de la Fuente as "Mimo Moreno"
* Burt Reynolds as "Carl Henry"
* Estelle Warren as "Sophia"
* Gina Gershon as "Cathy"
* Stacey Edwards as "Luc"
* Robert Sean Leonard as "deMille Bly"
* Directed by Renny Harlin
Comments: For all the criticism it received in the press,
this film is actually more believable than Days of
Thunder. Yes, there are spectacular (special effects
enhanced) crashes, but here they're just part of the
racing action, not outright caused by the over-agressive
and reckless antics of the drivers. I do have some
quibbles about the racing action because it detracts
from its authenticity. First, no where is CART
mentioned in the film. For non-racing fans, this could
just have been part of the World Formula One
Championship. In fact, the over-emphasis on the
European element strengthens that belief. Second, as
fancy as the special effect crashes were, they were
clearly fake. In comparison, the crashes in both Grand
Prix and Le Mans were much more believable and
realistic. In this case, less computerized special effects
would have made for an overall better movie.
Short Synopses
Here's a list of additional racing films, as contributed by
Michael Keyser.
* The Crowd Roars (1932) - James Cagney, John
Blondell, Ann Dvorak, Eric Linden, Guy Kibbee, Frank
McHugh. Entertaining early talkie with a great cast--
especially Cagney in his typical outspoken energetic
style. Also known as Indianapolis Speedway.
* Speed (1936) - James Stewart, Wendy Barrie, Una
Merkel, Ted Healy, Weldon Heyburn, Ralph Morgan,
Patricia Wilder. The racing scenes are dull but Stewart
is not. He plays a driver-mechanic who develops a high-
speed carburetor. Good cast too.
* Indianapolis Speedway (1939) - Pat O'Brien, Ann
Sheridan, John Payne, Gale Page, Frank McHugh, John
Ridgely, Regis Toomey. The story of two brothers and
their rivalry on and off the track with a solid cast--
especially Sheridan. Decent remake of The Crowd
Roars but we prefer the original.
* The Big Wheel (1949) - Mickey Rooney, Thomas
Mitchell, Spring Byington, Mary Hatcher, Allen
Jenkins, Michael O'Shea. Rooney, like Cagney, is a
natural for the never-say-die race car driver role. Here
he plays a young driver out to clear his deceased
father's name on and off the track.
* To Please a Lady (1950) - Clark Gable, Barbara
Stanwyck, Adolphe Menjou, Roland Winters, Will
Geer, Emory Parnell, Frank Jenks. Gable's the driver,
Stanwyck's the reporter. Nothing special here.
* Genevieve (1953) - Dinah Sheridan, John Gregson,
Kay Kendall, Kenneth More, Geoffrey Keen, Joyce
Grenfell, Michael Medwin. British comedy about two
rivals in a cross-country race. This was voted the best
film in Great Britain that year but only if you like
British humor.
* Race for Life (1954) - Richard Conti, Mari Aldon,
George Coulouris. Formula British quickie put together
in hopes of cashing in on Genevieve success. This ones
about stock car racing in Europe.
* Drive a Crooked Road (1954) - Mickey Rooney,
Dianne Foster, Kevin McCarthy, Jack Kelly, Harry
Landers. This time Rooney is a mechanic with dreams
of becoming famous race car driver. Unfortunately, he
falls in with gangsters. All of Rooney's movies are worth
seeing.
* The Racers (1955) - Kirk Douglas, Bella Darvi,
Gilbert Roland, Lee J. Cobb, Cesar Romero, Katy
Jurado. Douglas lifts average yarn about stock car
racing in Europe shot on location. Worth a look.
* Dragstrip Girl (1957) - Fay Spain, Steve Terrell,
John Ashley, Frank Gorshin, Russ Bender, Tommy Ivo.
Low budget AIP quickie generally lumped into the teen
exploitation category. Lots of cars and girls but is better
than most of the junk of that genre. A few crime scenes
were thrown in for good measure.
* The Devil's Hairpin (1957) - Cornel Wilde, Jean
Wallace, Mary Astor. Reckless sports car champion
learns fair play on the track, above average racing
scenes.
* Speed Crazy (1959) - Brett Halsey, Yvonne Lime,
Charles Wilcox, Slick Slavin, Jackie Joseph. Allied
Artists exploitation camp that boasts, "From juke joint
to drag strip it's the livin' end!" Comic singer Slavin
croons Ghost Town Rock and the title tune. This was B-
movie queen Lime's last role.
* Green Helmet (1961) - British-made film about a
Mille Miglia-style racing event.
* The Young Racers (1963) - Mark Damon, William
Campbell, Patrick Magee, Luana Landers, Robert
Campbell. Roger Corman quickie about ex-driver
writing an expose on the sport.
* Viva Las Vegas! (1964) - Elvis Presley, Ann-
Margaret, Cesare Danova, William Demerest, Jack
Carter. The two stars make this film worth while along
with the energetic title tune. Elvis is Lucky Jackson who
romances the luscious Rusty Martin (just like in real life
with her). [Elvis holds the final note of the title tune as
long as he did on My Way-- both a stunning tribute to
the King's great (and sometimes underrated) voice.]
* The Lively Set (1964) - James Darren, Pamela
Tiffin, Doug McClure, Joanie Sommers, Marilyn
Maxwell, Charles Drake, Greg Morris. So-so story of
college kid dropping out to become racecar driver. The
Surfaris sing Boss Baracuda and Sommers also sings.
Bobby Darin and Randy Newman handled the
arrangements.
* The Great Race (1965) - Tony Curtis, Natalie
Wood, Jack Lemmon, Peter Falk, Keenan Wynn, Larry
Storch, Dorothy Provine, Arthur O'Connell, Vivian
Vance, Ross Martin, George Macready. Blake Edward's
comedy about a cross-country race tries hard to be
funny but often falls short. We'd rather watch It's a
Mad, Mad, Mad, mad World. However, the impressive
color photography, soundtrack and excellent editing all
won Oscar nominations.
* Red Line 7000 (1965) - James Caan, Laura Devon,
Gail Hire, Charlene Holt. Average story about three
Daytona stock car drivers and their problems on and off
the track. Cann and director Howard Hawkes try their
best but the so-so cast and script are too much to
overcome. [Elvis Presley turned down this script.]
* Fireball 500 (1966) - Frankie Avalon, Annette
Funicello, Fabian, Chill Wills, Harvey Lembeck, Julie
Parrish. The beach party crowd on wheels. Forget it.
* Grand Prix (1966) - James Garner, Eva Marie
Saint, Yves Montand, Toshiro Mifune, Brian Bedford,
Jessica Walter, Francoise Hardy. Average story of the
lives and loves of racecar drivers is enhanced by
international cast and innovative editing techniques
(that won an Oscar). Director John Frankenheimer said
he employed some of the same techniques that television
employed during their coverage of the previous year's
World Series.
* Spinout (1966) - Elvis Presley, Shelly Fabares,
Diane McBain, Deborah Walley, Cecil Kellaway, Una
Merkel, Warren Beringer, Carl Betz, Will Hutchins.
Elvis plays Mike McCoy, a race car driver who chases
girls on the side. [Fabares, long a staple of teen movies
and TV sitcoms, co-starred in three Elvis movies. Betz
also played her father on The Donna Reed Show.]
* Hot Rod Hullabaloo (1966) - John Arnold, Arlen
Dean Snyder, Kendra Kerr, Marsha Mason. Silly teen
flick by Allied Artists features hot rod races and
demolition derbies.
* Thunder Alley (1967) - Annette Funicello, Fabian,
Diane McBain, Warren Belinger, Jan Murray,
Maureen Arthur. Low budget quickie about stockcar
racer Fabian and his troubles on and off the track.
* Speedway (1968) - Elvis Presley, Nancy Sinatra, Bill
Bixby, Gale Gordon, William Schallert. Stock car racer
Steve Grayson romances tax accountant Susan Jacks.
The title tune is a decent rocker with revving motors
heard on the fadeout. [Elvis and Nancy were long-time
"friends." She met him at the airport upon his release
from the army in 1960.]
* The Wild Racers (1968) - Fabian, Mimsy Farmer,
Judy Cornwall, David Landers. Strictly a vehicle to get
the fading Fabian's career back on track. It didn't work.
* Tracks of Thunder (1968) - Tom Kirk, Ray
Stricklynd. Low budget story of a couple of small-time
stock car rivals.
* Winning (1969) - Paul Newman, Joanne Woodward,
Richard Thomas, Robert Wagner. Newman plays a
driver who feels that winning is the most important
thing in his life. Another winner from husband and wife
team. Newman has a passion for racing his own cars in
real life.
* Those Daring Young Men in Their Jaunty Jalopies
(1969) - Tony Curtis, Susan Hampshire, Terry-Thomas,
Eric Sykes, Dudley Moore. British comedy about 1920
cross-country car race. Average and still not Genevieve.
* Le Mans (1971) - Steve McQueen, Siegfried Rauch,
Elga Anderson, Ronald Leigh-Hunt. Grand Prix auto
racing with good camera work and fine acting from
McQueen. But how many picked up the fact that
director Lee H. Katzin criticized the profession and the
public for it's perverse thrill of the crash.
* Two-Lane Blacktop (1971) - James Taylor, Warren
Oates, Laurie Bird, Dennis Wilson, David Drake,
Richard Ruth. A 1955 Chevy and a brand new GTO
race across the great Southwest in this intense film that
has become a cult favorite.
* The Last American Hero (1973) - Jeff Bridges,
Valerie Perrine, Geraldine Fitzgerald, Art Lund, Gary
Busey, Ed Lauter, Ned Beatty. The entertaining though
sometimes cynical story of Junior Jackson, the
backwoods, radical racecar driver caught up in a dog-
eat-dog world. Also known as Hard Driver.
* Death Race 2000 (1975) - David Carradine, Simone
Griffeth, Sylvester Stallone, Louisa Moritz, Mary
Woronov, Don Steele, Joyce Jameson. Comedy-farce
about a future society whose chief sport is the death
race. Running down any living thing that crosses your
path-- including people-- scores points and wins the
contest. Kind of a Rollerball with high performance
engines.
* The Gumball Rally (1976) - Michael Sarrazin, Tim
McIntyre, Raul Julia, Normann Burton, Gary Busey.
The best of the American made cross-country race
movies. All were inspired by the real life event.
* Cannonball (1976) - David Carradine, Veronica
Hamel, Bill McKinney, Gerrit Graham, Robert
Carradine, Belinda Balaski, Judy Canova, Carl
Gottlieb. Sequel to Gumball Rally is not as good but way
better than the Cannonball bombs. Cameos by Sylvester
Stallone, Roger Corman, Martin Scorsese and many
others.
* Greased Lightning (1977) - Richard Pryor, Beau
Bridges, Pam Greer, Cleavon Little, Vincent Gardenia,
Richie Havens, Julian Bond. The story of Wendell Scott,
the first black racecar driver, suffers from a poor script.
Good cast is wasted here.
* Bobby Deerfield (1977) - Al Pacino, Marthe Keller,
Anny Duperey, Walter McGinn. Grand Prix race car
driver romances high class woman and bores us to
death. What a waste of Pacino and director Sydney
Pollacks' talents.
* Deathsport (1978) - Allan Arkush, David Carradine,
Claudia Jennings, Richard Lynch, David McLean, Jesse
Flint. Sequel to Death Race 2000 only with motorcycles
this time.
* Hot Rod (1979) - Gregg Henry, Robert Culp,
Pernell Roberts, Robin Mattson, Grant Goodeye.
Average TV-movie featuring lots of loud engines, drag
strips and fixed races.
* Six Pack (1982) - Kenny Rogers, Diane Lane, Erin
Gray, Barry Corbin, Terry Kiser, Bob Hannah. Rogers'
movie debut has him as a stock car racer who somehow
manages to inherit six orphans.
* Heart Like a Wheel (1983) - Bonnie Bedelia, Beau
Bridges, Leo Rossi, Hoyt Axton, Bill McKinney,
Anthony Edwards, Dean Paul Martin. The true story of
female drag racer Shirley Muldowney, the first woman
to win the Winston world championship. Bedelia gives a
solid performance battling sexism and marriage
problems all through the movie. The real Muldowney
served as movie consultant.
* Stroker Ace (1983) - Burt Reynolds, Ned Beatty,
Jim Nabors, Loni Anderson, Perker Stevenson, Bubba
Smith, John Byner. Good old boy racer Burt in a not so
good old movie. This one along with his Cannonball Run
cross-country race films are big fat duds.
* Grandview, U.S.A. (1984) - Jamie Lee Curtis,
C.Thomas Howell, Patrick Swayze, Jennifer Jason
Leigh, Ramon Bieri, Carole Cook, troy Donahue,
William Windom, John Cusack, Joan Cusack. The best
film we've found about the demolition derby.
* Born to Race (1988) - Joseph Bottoms, Marc Singer,
George Kennedy, Marla Heasley. Female driver brings
a revolutionary engine to the North Carolina stock car
races and gets kidnapped. Pretty boring.
* Speed Zone (1989) - John Candy, Donna Dixon.
Lame comedy about a cross-country race.
* Days of Thunder (1990) Tom Cruise, Robert
Duvall, Randy Quaid, Nicole Kidman. Cliched rehash of
race car driver out to win the disinterested woman he
loves. Brought to you by the makers of Top Gun.
* Born to Run (1993) - Richard Grieco, Jay Acovone,
Joe Cortese. The story of a Brooklyn drag racer who is
threatened by the mob when he tries to save his brother
from their clutches.
* Ride With the Wind (1994) - Craig T. Nelson, Helen
Shaver, Bradley Pierce. TV-movie about a boy and his
mother who inspire a washed-up motorcycle racer to
compete again.
* Red Line (1996) - Chad McQueen, Michael Madsen,
Corey Feldman. A broke ex-race car driver is forced
into a life of petty crime.
* The Fast and the Furious (2001) - An undercover
cop joins a racing team to investigate a burglary and
finds himself in the middle of a high-stakes street racing
culture.
\\/ayne //\ann
ArcaMan
wrote:
what's the one about the pettys early years?
Wheeler
$9.50!
Holy shite. I can see one for $3.50 if I go during the day, $5.00 if I
go at night.
--
Wheeler
Regarding Mt. Rushmore: The Black Hills are sacred Indian ground.
Imagine the creepy feeling of four leering European faces staring
at your ancestors for eternity. -George Carlin
ArcaMan
wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:23:28 -0500, ArcaMan <no>
>had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
>>On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:08:33 -0700, wayne mann <tp...@charter.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>
>>>Hollywood Goes Racing
>>>http://www.sandcastlevi.com/movies/racefilm.htm
>
>>>
>>>\\/ayne //\ann
>
>>what's the one about the pettys early years?
>
>You included the entire 794 line original post to post a one line
>response...? I'd ask your IQ, but you've already answered that
>question...
>
><! -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >
>zenit
so? i wanted WM's post to stay in it.
Carey Akin
>>
> We liked it a lot too. My kid owns a copy of about every football movie
> ever made and it's one of his top 5, I believe.
>
but I thought he captured the essence of pro football, even if in a
surrealistic way. One of my favorite scenes in the movie is where the Miami
team is playing Dallas with their old, worn out quarter back, and he begins
to move the ball to Bill Withers singing "Use Me". Great stuff. Way off
topic, but great stuff.
Carey in Manvel
FDRanger92
"zenit" <ze...@thepressroom.com> wrote in message
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>
> because it was a damned good movie... OK, maybe it wasn't that good,
> but I was close to the real story (Redskins) and the producers didn't
> stray for effect... I gave it 3 helmets...
>
> zenit
Yeah it was that good.
Probably one of the funniest movies of the last 5 years.
The one liners were hilarious.
Cheerleader: "Is lap dancing a style?"
Owner: "What kind of shape is the kicker in?"
Gene Hackman: "Well, lets just say he's Welsh."
Put this one right up there w/ Slap Shot.
Ms.Goodwrench
news:ufKdnZzxqvO...@giganews.com:
>
> "Barry Posner" <bup...@psu.edu> wrote in message
> news:3F940D13...@psu.edu...
>>
>>
>> Accipiter wrote:
>>
>> > You'll notice that the CART name is never mentioned in the movie.
>> > That's how much they loved it after seeing the POS. Worst racing
>> > movie ever. No question.
>>
>> Yep. Did you know that at first, Sly wanted to set the movie in F1,
>> but after seeing the script, they basically gave him the boot?
>>
>> bp
>
> yup. and not to defend the POS that was Driven, but the movie actually
> makes much more sense when one understands that they were trying to
> use F1 as the series. still a horrible, horrible movie.
>
>
Check out this review of "Driven" -
http://www.bigempire.com/filthy/driven.html
RIP, Filthy.
Ms.Goodwrench
news:3F9706AF...@hotmailDONTSENDSPAM.com:
I haven't been to a non-matinee in years. Refuse to shell out $8.50 for
a ticket. Before 6PM, it's only $4.25.
When we bought The Big-Assed TV last year, our justification was we'd go
to even fewer movies, waiting for the DVD instead. Works for me :-)
Ms.Goodwrench
That's Junior G's most favoritest football movie of all. I like it a
lot, too.
Ms.Goodwrench
news:4DJlb.13927$W16....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Slapshot is my all-time favorite sports flick.
Mary W.
Yup, very good movie.
william lynch
wheel...@hotmailDONTSENDSPAM.com wrote on 10/22/03 3:37 PM:
So can I. I was just referring to the first run flix at
the "fancy" theaters. If I time it right (on Tuesdays),
and don't mind driving to Milpitas, I can see them for a
buck. A large popcorn is still $5, though.
william lynch
ze...@thepressroom.com wrote on 10/22/03 11:10 AM:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:34:36 GMT, william lynch <x@y.z>
> had to open a new box of zerones to say:
>
>
>>> For a pretty good memory jogger, try this site...
>>>
>>> http://www.sandcastlevi.com/movies/racefilm.htm
>>>
>>> I may have missed it, but nothing about your movie of interest...
>>> There's a number of oldies that sound worse than anything we've come
>>> up with, which points to the fact that crap has been a staple of
>>> Hollywood for a long time... A fun read and gives up Googles galore...
>>>
>> I was starting to think that this was a great site, until I
>> saw that the idiot gave 'drivel' THREE stars. Money talks.
>
> Oh fer Christ's Sake, turn your scepticism meter down a couple of
> notches... It's a hobby site run by an old guy who lives in the Virgin
> Islands... So if he thinks the movie is a three star movie relative to
> his other selections, who's to say he ain't perfectly right in saying
> so...
>
I have no problem with his right to judge the movie as a
three. But I also reserve the right to say that rating
affects my perception of his site.
-v-
Much screaching of tires on asphalt, even on dirt tracks.
--
-v-
Solamente ocho!
Jim Horne
"-v-" <vxmNOvxSPA-3M*@altara.invalid> wrote in message
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: Well there was "Redline 7000"
:
: Much screaching of tires on asphalt, even on dirt tracks.
if you have ever visited a Saturday night dirt track race you'll hear the
tires screech on dirt...
-v-
"Jim Horne" <hor...@ufl.edu> wrote in message
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I went to a lot of Saturday night and Sunday afternoon dirt track events at
the time Redline 7000 was filmed and never heard screeching like that.
Trust me.
--
-v-
Solamente ocho!
Ms.Goodwrench
news:oWbmb.28761$Go5.5...@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
I spent many a summer weekend at Zanesville Motor Speedway as a kid, and
that ol' dirt surface got as slick and black as asphalt by late in the
program.
Mike Marlow
Jim Horne <hor...@ufl.edu> burped and spewed forth the following:
Not the way they screech in the hollywood movies - pure ashphalt overdubs.
Heck - they even screech on grass in the movies.
-v-
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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I think the screeching on grass is actually caused by the "wet grass
acceleration" factor some have claimed to witness.
--
-v-
Solamente ocho!
Jim Horne
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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and bullets ricochet for ever in old Clint Eastwood movies...
Jim Horne
: "-v-" <vxmNOvxSPA-3M*@altara.invalid> wrote in
the dirt track here is coated with oil to make it pack...
-v-
I have seen that on good dirt tracks, like Myrtle Beach in the 60's, but
they still did not sound like Redline 7000 (my first racing movie)
--
-v-
Solamente ocho!
Liz Collins
Re: Worst racing movie
Group: rec.autos.sport.nascar Date: Fri, Oct 24,
Much screaching of tires on asphalt, even on dirt tracks.
if you have ever visited a Saturday night dirt track race you'll hear
the tires screech on dirt...
Not the way they screech in the hollywood movies - pure ashphalt
overdubs. Heck - they even screech on grass in the movies.
and bullets ricochet for ever in old Clint Eastwood movies...
Not to mention how ALL cars in movies shift gears constantly for that
neato vroom,vroom,vroom effect?That always cracks me up...
Wheeler
Or it could be a magnesium manifold.
Carey Akin
"Wheeler" <wheel...@hotmailDONTSENDSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:3F9999F6...@hotmailDONTSENDSPAM.com...
> Or it could be a magnesium manifold.
>
>
Nope, it is the seizing of the gonkulator.
Carey in Manvel
william lynch
hor...@ufl.edu wrote on 10/24/03 10:49 AM:
That depends on who is shooting . . . ;-)
Ms.Goodwrench
...and guns & rifles in Italian movies sound much different than those
in American movies. Must be that Eye-talian gunpowder.
My Dad used to watch the old "FBI" tv show simply to bitch about the
tires squealing on dirt and gravel roads and the fact that one of those
black guvmint sedans might lose 6 or 7 hubcaps in one car chase.
Mike Marlow
Ms.Goodwrench <msgoodwr...@hotmail.com> burped and spewed forth the
following:
> "Jim Horne" <hor...@ufl.edu> wrote in
> news:bnbonl$ves16$1...@ID-148893.news.uni-berlin.de:
>
>>
>> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:bnbjr3$vu3iq$1...@ID-100220.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>> In news:bnbfbe$t7f97$1...@ID-148893.news.uni-berlin.de,
>>> Jim Horne <hor...@ufl.edu> burped and spewed forth the following:
>>>> "-v-" <vxmNOvxSPA-3M*@altara.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:NZamb.28484$Go5.4...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>>> Well there was "Redline 7000"
>>>>>
>>>>> Much screaching of tires on asphalt, even on dirt tracks.
>>>>
>>>> if you have ever visited a Saturday night dirt track race you'll
>>>> hear the tires screech on dirt...
>>>
>>> Not the way they screech in the hollywood movies - pure ashphalt
>>> overdubs. Heck - they even screech on grass in the movies.
>>>
>> and bullets ricochet for ever in old Clint Eastwood movies...
>>
>>
>
>
> ...and guns & rifles in Italian movies sound much different than those
> in American movies. Must be that Eye-talian gunpowder.
>
> My Dad used to watch the old "FBI" tv show simply to bitch about the
> tires squealing on dirt and gravel roads and the fact that one of
> those black guvmint sedans might lose 6 or 7 hubcaps in one car chase.
But those guvmint cars could heal themselves. They'd bang in a fender in
one scene and in the next scene the fender was mysteriously straightened
again. Magic...
--
-Mike-
mma...@REMOVEsprintmail.com
Jim Horne
: "Jim Horne" <hor...@ufl.edu> wrote in
this is how Hubcap Annie got her start...