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David R. Woolums wrote in message <372B24D1...@earthlink.net>...
>R a p p y wrote:
<< snip Part of a Brow beating of Rappy >>
> Then came the link to the"defvac" page.
> What was that, exactly?
A FORGERY OF RAPPYS NAME
If you read and followed up what was posted after
You would of seen that it was a forgery
by checking The "Headers" of the post in Question.
On a Personal note {yeah what a suprise }
Every one, every now and then goes off
Rappy of all people in this group
gets a Muligan in my book for his errors.
Calling him out for a "Controversial point of View " is Ridiculous.
He like all of us has them.
And if you think for a minute NASCAR®
Was / is not Rasist you are living in a Dream World.
Overt... No
Covert... YES
EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING has a root in Racism
Don't kid your self LOOK around you you will see it.
I myself and Avowed Demopublican
MR. Middle of the Road...Thank you
Will Admit that I have NO problem with Blacks in General
But on more then one occasion I have cought myself Stereotyping Black Folks
Shame on me and shame on you if you can't see it in yourself
George
RANT ?
ME RANT ???
NEVER....
OK once or twice .... A Day
Remove the 2 extra 2's
should read rusty2@m*****net.net
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R a p p y
David R. Woolums <wood...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> R a p p y wrote:
>
<snip>
depicting
> the grotesque being used to share us "straight" and now your starring role as
> Devils Advocate in a case of media sensationalism.
>
> No one doubts that the African American community has had a difficult
time
> breaking color barriers, but I think it's a really bad idea to accentuate the
> negative in every situation that isn't' perfectly ethnically diverse. Just
the
> other day I saw a black man playing on a Hockey team. Now, aside from how
that
> sounds, I was proud to see that this man had worked hard enough to play for a
major
> league team that was in the play-offs. You see, I thought that hockey was a
sport
> that was void or African Americans/Canadians. The point here is, things are
> changing. Change, like evolution, comes slowly and gradually and will be
achieved
> in time. Pushing people together, whether through affirmative action or by
placing
> unattainable expectations on someone who isn't able to attain them (Sorry Mr.
> Ribbs, but your record speaks for itself) won't get people any closer to the
goal
> of integration. No one is saying that blatant racism should be over-looked,
but if
> all is equal and the attempt still isn't made by a party to join in, maybe
it's not
> a racist situation, just sensationalism.
>
Very well put and nothing I would disagree with.
> Rappy, in the past you have been a great source of common sense and realism
in
> this group. I'll admit, I haven't always understood your logic, but I felt it
was
> well presented. (Considering that many in here don't know you're from your)
> Lately I have noticed, however, that the tide is turning, somewhat to a more
> congenial format as loud-mouths and fools are dismissed as such and,
therefore,
> greatly ignored. You, it seems, have begun to raise yourself to the unseemly
> position of overlord. I saw this when you baited someone into a debate about
> alcoholism and addiction and then used your own experience in a very
grandstanding
> manner to deliver what appeared to be the coup de gras'.
I view it as just fact...... it if was taken as grandstanding It was not meant
as such. While I knew full weel the door i was looking to open may well be
walked through it still takes the 'free will' of another to go there.
I view sobriety as only a duty to myself and my family. I only spoke of it
due to the fact i have an ongoing experience with it, and felt qualified to
share about it.
However i will acknowledge and accept that grandiosity is one of my larger
charcater flaws. ;-/
Then came the link to the
> "defvac" page.
That post was forged.
They didn't even put my Name down right....they used all caps.
I was hoping most people would realize it's far from my style or likes.
Go back to the tread and look.
That was an example of Honakers twisted sense of humor. note the post came
from "Mindspring"
not RCN which is my ISP.
What was that, exactly? Now, as I mentioned previously, you play
> devils advocate in a situation that you normally would have dismissed. For
the
> sake of those of us that have appreciated your points of view, the way that
you
> deftly have dispensed with "fools" with you rapier wit, and provided a
plethora of
> fact based rebuttals to the wild-assed claims of the aforementioned fools,
please
> take a long, hard look and what you're writing and posting and make sure it's
from
> the heart and not from some other source.
Hopefully now you see I'm not Sybil. ;-)
Hey everybody is dismissing this Hbo stuff as total crap and I felt it deservers
a closer, more honest look.
Racism abounds in this life and to dismiss the fact that the southern base from
which Nascars roots are drawn
makes it even more likely in this sport than most others, is too obvious to just
ignore.
While i knew it would exact a response........i felt silence would be the
greater sin.
>
> Respectfully,
> A WASP ready to fork the "power" over to any willing party
>
> David R. Woolums
>
>
Thanks for the input.
"I'm looking for an honest man." some greek dude.
Diaoganeese? (Sp?)
Patrick Nance
I saw no black fans, jockey's, owners, track hands... a few black horses...
but... hey Gumby... I see another story!
mvincent wrote in message <92551744...@news.remarQ.com>...
>Did anyone catch the segment on NASCAR? Willie T. Ribb was saying that
>NASCAR is basically racist and they don't want blacks involved with the
>sport. They did interview the owners for the Busch Dr. Pepper team, but it
>was very biased toward the black point of view.
>They also said that many viewers and/or fans would quit watching if there
>were black drivers. True or False? Also Richard Petty said Ribb didn't make
>it in NASCAR because he got messed up with the law. Ribb was totally pissed
>because he blew it in the 80's. How about some white guys that failed in
the
>80's. Mark Martin tried many times before finding a home with Roush. I just
>think this was a totally bogus segment on HBO trash.
>
>Mike
>
>
tjmc
<GoJeff...@SPAMspeed-racer.com> wrote:
>David R. Woolums <wood...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:372B24D1...@earthlink.net...
> Then came the link to the
>> "defvac" page.
>
>That post was forged.
>
One of the few true evils of Usenet is the forged header.
Jimmy, that was just your own chickens coming home to roost. You just
don't get it, do ya?
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RAINWTR1
speed and concentration of being a nascar driver.keep their nba & we'll keep
our nascar
Greg Eglinton
Patrick Nance wrote:
> FWIW... I was watching the Kentucky Derby... I looked as hard as I could...
> I saw no black fans, jockey's, owners, track hands... a few black horses...
> but... hey Gumby... I see another story!
LOL. Low, but good point.
Greg
R a p p y
Greg Eglinton <gjeglint@NOSPAM_.ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Patrick Nance wrote:
>
> > FWIW... I was watching the Kentucky Derby... I looked as hard as I could...
> > I saw no black fans, jockey's, owners, track hands... a few black horses...
> > but... hey Gumby... I see another story!
>
> LOL. Low, but good point.
they were all mens room attendents and watiers........the only jobs they would
let them have.
R a p p y
RAINWTR1 <rain...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> they can't cut it in nascar.white men can't jump,and blacks can't handle the
> speed and concentration of being a nascar driver.keep their nba & we'll keep
> our nascar
Gumbel was right.
John 'aka' Deliveryboy
>
> they can't cut it in nascar.white men can't jump,and blacks can't handle the
> speed and concentration of being a nascar driver.keep their nba & we'll keep
> our nascar
I'll bet Hitler was a hero, too?
John doing his best Lloydesque response
--
John 'aka' Deliveryboy
http://www.mindspring.com/~deliveryboy/index.htm
Featuring pages for NASCAR, Mark Martin and Harry Gant
Street...@webtv.net
>Did anyone catch the segment on NASCAR? Willie T. Ribb
>was saying that NASCAR is basically racist and they don't
>want blacks involved with the sport. They did interview the
>owners for the Busch Dr. Pepper team, but it was very biased
>toward the black point of view. They also said that many
>viewers and/or fans would quit watching if there were
>black drivers. True or False? Also Richard Petty said Ribb
>didn't make it in NASCAR because he got messed up with
>the law. Ribb was totally pissed because he blew it in the
>80's. How about some white guys that failed in the 80's. Mark
>Martin tried many times before finding a home with Roush. I
>just think this was a totally bogus segment on HBO trash. Mike
I'm fed up with whinnying about racism.it's what makes people racists.I
don't complain about BET (Black entertainment Television).Could you
imagine WET (White entertainment Television)?.Blacks would go ape
shit.what about Miss Black America? what the hell is this all about?
that's racist to the MAX.What about the Negro college fund? the
government doesn't help these minorities enough?I admit I'm racist
towards blacks who won't stop crying racism every time something doesn't
go in their favor.I makes me sick.
If it bothers some blacks so much that there are no blacks in
Nascar,shut the hell up,stop fucking whinnying and do something about
it.
BigDog
<Street...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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I Second That
David R. Woolums
> David R. Woolums <wood...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:372B24D1...@earthlink.net...
> Then came the link to the
> > "defvac" page.
>
> That post was forged.
>
Thanks for the clarification, I didn't think that that was your doing, but I didn't
check my facts. I'm sorry. When I'm wrong.......I blame it on others....no that's
someone else. Anyway. I meant no disrespect.
I've said enough about the HBO thing...........
R a p p y
I didn't assume you did...........you were just mislead but a bored & twisted
Honaker.
He knows i hate that disgusting crap.
>
> I've said enough about the HBO thing...........
>
No problem ...........the non inflammatory nature of your post was well taken on
this end.
Me Myself and I
watching it after the episode detailing that black athletes should use
black agents only. No good reason given other than "they are black."
On Sun, 2 May 1999 07:36:38 -0400, "R a p p y"
<GoJeff...@SPAMspeed-racer.com> wrote:
>
>Greg Eglinton <gjeglint@NOSPAM_.ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:372C2668.D3348398@NOSPAM_.ix.netcom.com...
>>
>>
>> Patrick Nance wrote:
>>
>> > FWIW... I was watching the Kentucky Derby... I looked as hard as I could...
>> > I saw no black fans, jockey's, owners, track hands... a few black horses...
>> > but... hey Gumby... I see another story!
>>
>> LOL. Low, but good point.
>
>they were all mens room attendents and watiers........the only jobs they would
>let them have.
>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> >
>> > mvincent wrote in message <92551744...@news.remarQ.com>...
Mark Cook
> mvincent <mvin...@asheboro.com> wrote in message
> > They did interview the owners for the Busch Dr. Pepper team, but it
> > was very biased toward the black point of view.
> > They also said that many viewers and/or fans would quit watching if there
> > were black drivers. True or False?
> I don't know about the quit watching part. But I'm sure you would hear more
> than a few "damn nigger's uttered in the stands.
Yes, I bet that there would be some who would say that. Is it right?
Hell No, but that is not NASCAR's fault? No, that is the fault of those
individuals.
To interview a few individuals with that attitude and then say all
NASCAR fans are racist is unfair. In fact, is that not the kind of
sterotyping that we are trying to get away from? I guess "guilt by
assocation" is a fair way to judge NASCAR and it's fans.
Further, there are no signs posted at the track that say only certain
races are allowed to compete. There are no rules on the books that only
certain races are allowed to race. NASCAR is a business, just like
basketball, football, and ect, they can not get away with such behavior.
Part of the report with the Dr. Pepper team focused on sponsorship. The
owners talked about how sponsors want instant results and that they
needed the best driver they could get. Is that different for them than
any other team out there? This has nothing to do with, or if a minority
could represent a product. I seem to remember Bill Cosby, Michael
Jordon, Charles Barkley, Ironhead Haywood, ect. will with TV commerical
deals and/or product endorsement deals. It has everything to do with non
experenced drivers.
If NASCAR is racist, how come the Dr. Pepper team is allowed to compete?
Why is Liberty Racing allowed to compete in the Truck Series?
Wendell Scott broke the color barrier in the 60's. He opened the door,
why have others not followed? When Ribbs got the chance, he wouldn't
take it. I would love to have the deal that he did. Did you know that
the ride that Ribbs would not take was given to Dale Earnhardt?
> > Also Richard Petty said Ribb didn't make it in NASCAR because he got messed up with the law.
> That's was pretty lame. It didn't make Richard look to good.
Yes, but they went to great lengths to make Richard look bad. Talked
about how that no one calls African-Americans "colored" anymore, and
that was not really racist, but the point that they were trying to make,
was that it IS racist to call Africans-Americans "colored". If this is
so, then why has the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of
Colored People) not changed the name? Doesn't this make the NAACP
racist?
> If there wasn't a good bit of truth to it People wouldn't get so upset IMHO.
Only thing that "Real Sports" proved is that there are still some
individuals, who like NASCARm are racist, but that is far from proving
that NASCAR is racist. They did not show one stitch of proof that NASCAR
is guilty of racism. I really believe that they did this show with a
chip on their shoulders. They had the preconceived notion that NASCAR
was racist, and that was the bais that they "reported" under.
I am not that naive to think the this country has gotten past racism. As
a county there is still a lot of work to be done. But the bottom line,
the door is open, if you want to race, then work for it.
Mark --> 6, 99, 88, 71, and the 3 for JohnV.
"Auto Racing is the only sport, everything else is just a game."
Snug Sipple
Mark Cook wrote in message <372E30...@prodigy.net>...
>R a p p y wrote:
>
>> mvincent <mvin...@asheboro.com> wrote in message
>
>> > They did interview the owners for the Busch Dr. Pepper team, but it
>> > was very biased toward the black point of view.
>> > They also said that many viewers and/or fans would quit watching if
there
>> > were black drivers. True or False?
>
Hey someone please refresh my memory... but when did we start giving 2 rats
asses about what Bryant Gumble has to say anyway???
Mark Cook
> Hey someone please refresh my memory... but when did
> we start giving 2 rats asses about what Bryant Gumble
> has to say anyway???
I generally don't pay any attention to Bryant. I have not watched the
"Today Show" on NBC for years because of him.
What has got me so riled is the fact that this story has moved past
"Real Sport" to the AP wire. I read an article about NASCAR and racism
in my local newspaper. Again an article with no proof. I believe that
the article came about by some lazy reporter looking for a story.
If we don't fight back, then do we support the story that HBO has put
forth?
Ralph Derickson
Mark Cook wrote:
If you feel strongly enough that the article in the newspaper
was, pick one or more: (1) poorly researched, (2) poorly written,
(3) off base, (4) just plain mean-spirited and intended to play the
race card, (5) other, write a letter to the editor for publication.
A few hints about that: (1) Be brief (not like my epistles. :),
(2) Delete the expletives and name-calling up front, (3) make your points
clearly, concisely and get outta there, (4) don't make threats (most
newspapers' newsrooms could not care less if you threaten to
cancel your subscription or your company's advertising), (5) sign
your name, address, and give your real phone number (many
will check it). For bonus points, encourage your friends who
feel the same way you do on a subject to do the same. Check
your newspaper's web page. Many accept letters to the editor
nowadays by e-mail. As to brevity, most newspapers tell you
how many words they'll accept in such letters. If you go for
six or seven paragraphs with about 40 words each, you'll be
under most wires. You probably already know this,
but most newspapers NEED letters to the editor. It's one
of the best read sections of a newspaper and provides about
the ONLY contact they ever have with their readers. Good luck.
Kentucky (Who needs to follow his own advice. :) Ralph