Thoughts on JJ
DAVe
two snippets keep popping up from thast last few races.
1) Montoya in the pits complaining that he was "on the lights" and yet
Johnson sped up and passed him:
As I recall NASCAR no longer uses a radar gun but rather scoring
loops. I would not put it past Knaus to take a good look at pit road
(including possibly a metal detector) to determine exactly where said
loops are. Then, since you can only measure speed as the time between
two points, his driver can go as fast as he wants from the pit box to
the first measurement point. He only has to have an _average_ speed of
less than the posted speed between the two points.
2) When 77 destroyed his car, and after they finally got it back on
track Knaus asked him if he just wanted to run the number of laps
needed JJ responded to the effect tat no he wanted to run all laps
"Isn't that how we do it?" Reminded me of the guts of Pete Rose
running as hard as he could even after the first baseman had tagged
him out.
The more I think about Jimmy Johnson and Chad Knaus the more impressed
I am.
All he needs to do now is punch Kyle in the nose to lose the vanilla
label. 8^)
Rick
> It has been swirling around this old gray head _why_ JJ is so good and
> two snippets keep popping up from thast last few races.
>
> 1) Montoya in the pits complaining that he was "on the lights" and yet
> Johnson sped up and passed him:
>
> As I recall NASCAR no longer uses a radar gun but rather scoring
> loops. I would not put it past Knaus to take a good look at pit road
> (including possibly a metal detector) to determine exactly where said
> loops are. Then, since you can only measure speed as the time between
> two points, his driver can go as fast as he wants from the pit box to
> the first measurement point. He only has to have an _average_ speed of
> less than the posted speed between the two points.
CK is one of those guys that has an eye for detail. He's almost
Monk-like.
>
> 2) When 77 destroyed his car, and after they finally got it back on
> track Knaus asked him if he just wanted to run the number of laps
> needed JJ responded to the effect tat no he wanted to run all laps
> "Isn't that how we do it?" Reminded me of the guts of Pete Rose
> running as hard as he could even after the first baseman had tagged
> him out.
>
He has a strong desire to win.
>
> All he needs to do now is punch Kyle in the nose to lose the vanilla
> label. 8^)
I think that if nascar fans knew how this guy grew up, and
it certainly wasn't with a California spoon in his mouth, they
would like him immensely.
Mike Marlow
"DAVe" <small...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> It has been swirling around this old gray head _why_ JJ is so good and
> two snippets keep popping up from thast last few races.
>
> 1) Montoya in the pits complaining that he was "on the lights" and yet
> Johnson sped up and passed him:
>
> As I recall NASCAR no longer uses a radar gun but rather scoring
> loops. I would not put it past Knaus to take a good look at pit road
> (including possibly a metal detector) to determine exactly where said
> loops are. Then, since you can only measure speed as the time between
> two points, his driver can go as fast as he wants from the pit box to
> the first measurement point. He only has to have an _average_ speed of
> less than the posted speed between the two points.
That's an interesting theory. The next time you see the 48 car visibly slow
down after hogging out hard, you'll have your evidence. Otherwise, I don't
really think so...
>
> 2) When 77 destroyed his car, and after they finally got it back on
> track Knaus asked him if he just wanted to run the number of laps
> needed JJ responded to the effect tat no he wanted to run all laps
> "Isn't that how we do it?" Reminded me of the guts of Pete Rose
> running as hard as he could even after the first baseman had tagged
> him out.
>
> The more I think about Jimmy Johnson and Chad Knaus the more impressed
> I am.
>
Whether you like them or not, they sure do have to be respected for their
drive and dedication.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Chad
> "DAVe" <small...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3d52d7c2-ec05-4ce7...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
>> It has been swirling around this old gray head _why_ JJ is so good
>> and two snippets keep popping up from thast last few races.
>>
>> 1) Montoya in the pits complaining that he was "on the lights" and
>> yet Johnson sped up and passed him:
>>
>> As I recall NASCAR no longer uses a radar gun but rather scoring
>> loops. I would not put it past Knaus to take a good look at pit road
>> (including possibly a metal detector) to determine exactly where said
>> loops are. Then, since you can only measure speed as the time between
>> two points, his driver can go as fast as he wants from the pit box to
>> the first measurement point. He only has to have an _average_ speed
>> of less than the posted speed between the two points.
>
> That's an interesting theory. The next time you see the 48 car
> visibly slow down after hogging out hard, you'll have your evidence.
> Otherwise, I don't really think so...
>
Either Knaus or someone from the #48 team admitted that's exactly what they
did at Martinsville this year. Seem to recall the positioning of the timing
points there made it an extra big advantage from the pitbox Knaus chose.
Couldn't find that quote with google, but here is a race report quote from
then that mentions it.
"Showing some canny knowledge of where the pit lane speed check equipment
was deployed and where it was safe to gas it up just a little bit more,
Johnson beat Denny Hamlin, Mark Marin, Juan Montoya, Ryan Newman and Kyle
Busch out of pit lane"
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Chad
Fish
> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > "DAVe" <smalleys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> --
> Chad
it's quite possible knaus did that, but what i remember from indy was
montoya saying his lights were fine when he got the speeding penalty
and nascar said that the lights are set up by each team, it could be
that with the HMS equipment knowledge that they're nailed down the pit
road speed to the absolute last mph they can squeeze out, whereas the
ganassi equipment can't produce such high perfection of absolute speed
TS02_05champ
> "DAVe" <small...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3d52d7c2-ec05-4ce7...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
>> It has been swirling around this old gray head _why_ JJ is so good and
>> two snippets keep popping up from thast last few races.
>>
>> 1) Montoya in the pits complaining that he was "on the lights" and yet
>> Johnson sped up and passed him:
>>
>> As I recall NASCAR no longer uses a radar gun but rather scoring
>> loops. I would not put it past Knaus to take a good look at pit road
>> (including possibly a metal detector) to determine exactly where said
>> loops are. Then, since you can only measure speed as the time between
>> two points, his driver can go as fast as he wants from the pit box to
>> the first measurement point. He only has to have an _average_ speed of
>> less than the posted speed between the two points.
>
> That's an interesting theory. The next time you see the 48 car visibly slow
> down after hogging out hard, you'll have your evidence. Otherwise, I don't
> really think so...
Ray Evernham confirmed that is exactly what JJ does.
Mike Marlow
"Chad" <cbs...@safemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Couldn't find that quote with google, but here is a race report quote from
> then that mentions it.
>
> "Showing some canny knowledge of where the pit lane speed check equipment
> was deployed and where it was safe to gas it up just a little bit more,
> Johnson beat Denny Hamlin, Mark Marin, Juan Montoya, Ryan Newman and Kyle
> Busch out of pit lane"
>
>
I'm not saying it's out of the question, but that is nothing more than a
reporter saying the same things that get said here, and with no more
validity than what gets said here. I wouldn't be surprised if it were true
but it takes more evidence than this kind of report. Besides - only some
tracks afford that kind of advantage opportunity, and even then, only from
some pit stalls. Not something that can be attributed to a season long
strategy.
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-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Mike Marlow
"BlueBrooke" <BlueB...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> Underneath that "vanilla" persona, there's determination. While so
> many of the other guys are making excuses, knocking each other out and
> creating the "drama" so many seem to want to see, Johnson is winning
> championships.
>
You just hit on something with the above statement. People and teams that
are wholly committed to winning almost never have any kind of personality.
They are either the aggressive types or the robot types, but they aren't the
lovable types. That's because every fiber of their being is focused on the
matter at hand. Yet - when a driver exhibits one of these two personality
types (the guy that is focused on the win), he takes holy hell from the
armchair physiologists here. You hear all of the pissing and moaning
because a driver gets hot or because he doesn't do an interview, or he says
something that the piss-ants don't want to hear from a driver. Sheese...
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-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Mike Marlow
"TS02_05champ" <tonystewar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I did not hear/read that - have any kind of a reference?
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-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
SG
Hi!
I heard him say it on Nascar Now.
DAVe
I was not referring to the Indy race. It was just 3-4 races ago when
Montoya was out of his pit stall heading for pit exit and JJ shot in
front of him and Montoya started complaining on the radio.
TS02_05champ
He said it on NASCAR Now.
Mike Marlow
"SG" <spaamt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ok - I'll stand corrected.
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-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
SG
also, we discussed it here when it happened:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.sport.nascar/browse_thread/thread/b1dc57fb35745f15/9b836f53d23a1022?lnk=gst&q=pit+road+speeding#9b836f53d23a1022
gawd, could google make their links any longer
http://tinyurl.com/ydsscse
SG
right, it was Martinsville
JerryD(upstateNY)
They showed the tape of JJ passing Montoya on pit road and explained how JJ
did it without getting caught for speeding.
Knaus finds out where the timing lines are and gets a pit stall just over
the line.
JJ can go as fast as he wants from his pit stall to the next timing line
because he can't be timed in that space.
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JerryD(upstateNY)