Apropos of Danica, sort of
John McCoy
session, which was only 35 min due to rain (they're testing
again today & tomorrow, which should be in perfect weather).
I note that Alli Owens, Danica Patrick, and Angela Cope took
times, while Leilani Munter, Amber Cope(*) and Milka Duno were
present but did not. There are also 3 other ladies on the
list of entries for the test.
With that many women present, it certainly seems there's nothing
odd about a woman competing in stock car racing any longer.
(* Angela and Amber are Derrick Cope's twin daughters. They
have been sharing a car in various series for some while now.)
John
Martin X. Moleski, SJ
Sum all of the races in all of the things you consider stock-car
series.
Add up all of the entrants in those series in one years.
Find the percentage of women participating.
I'll bet it is a fraction of 1%.
In my book, something that happens only once out of a hundred
times is odd, even if it has happened before and will happen
again. ;o)
Marty
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John McCoy
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> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:45:44 CST, John McCoy <igo...@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote in <Xns9CE6591894F...@216.168.3.30>:
>
>>Just took a look at the results of yesterday's ARCA test
>>session, which was only 35 min due to rain (they're testing
>>again today & tomorrow, which should be in perfect weather).
>
>>I note that Alli Owens, Danica Patrick, and Angela Cope took
>>times, while Leilani Munter, Amber Cope(*) and Milka Duno were
>>present but did not. There are also 3 other ladies on the
>>list of entries for the test.
>
>>With that many women present, it certainly seems there's nothing
>>odd about a woman competing in stock car racing any longer.
>
>>(* Angela and Amber are Derrick Cope's twin daughters. They
>>have been sharing a car in various series for some while now.)
>
> Sum all of the races in all of the things you consider stock-car
> series.
>
> Add up all of the entrants in those series in one years.
>
> Find the percentage of women participating.
>
> I'll bet it is a fraction of 1%.
Stock cars is lagging a bit, I'll agree.
But, to my point, the ARCA test has (if they all show up)
9 women out of 50 drivers. That's nearly 20% (18% to be
precise). Indy had 3 out of 33, nearly 10%. NHRA Pro
Stock Bike has had as many as 4 of 16 qualifiers at at
least one event (25%).
That's a lot more than one percent, and those are all series
where the participants have come up thru lower levels of
racing, suggesting that there's a fair number of women at
the lower levels too.
John
Megan Zurawicz
with how they do in NASCAR series, as they move up (if they move up).
Specifically, I'm looking at a phenomenon I noticed with Erin Crocker, whose
career was too short to extrapolate much from; I don't know if it was Erin
or something that will repeat with other female drivers (and I haven't even
begun to crosscheck that with male drivers, so it's purely anecdotal).
Yes, every step upward is a big leap, and you scrape off a chunk of the
field on that shift. But I'm still rather surprised that Erin did as well
as she did in ARCA, followed by an abysmal time in the truck series.
Based on some oblique (and not so oblique) comments by Evernham at the time,
some of that may have been some faction in the truck series of "girls don't
belong here, let me wreck you, b*tch"---I don't know; Ray's biased, but Ray
was there, and I wasn't. And while it wasn't discussed at the time (didn't
come out public until later), it may have been less "girls don't...." than
"I think you slept your way to your ride, I don't respect you, let me wreck
you." But even at that, I suspect it was a fairly small factor.
And some may have been that cars and trucks drive differently; Erin didn't
get enough of a Nationwide shot to see if that was the anomaly.
Anyhow, I'm just curious whether Erin's career was just Erin's career, or
whether there will be repeating patterns. Worth watching for :)
--pig
John McCoy
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> And some may have been that cars and trucks drive differently; Erin
> didn't get enough of a Nationwide shot to see if that was the anomaly.
Don't think so - not compared to the difference between 410 sprints
and ARCA cars, which was the previous transition she made.
> Anyhow, I'm just curious whether Erin's career was just Erin's career,
> or whether there will be repeating patterns. Worth watching for :)
I think you're right that Erin had non-racing issues which affected
her results. Hopefully the next group of women to advance will
avoid that (they all, I think, are a little less naive than Erin).
In case anyone's interested, todays results for the women (in
reverse order, just for fun):
55th quick - Amber Cope - 51.676
53rd quick - Angela Cope - 51.498
48th quick - Jill George - 50.674
46th quick - Ashley Parlett - 50.516
28th quick - Leilani Munter - 49.970
27th quick - Jennifer Jo Cobb - 49.941
20th quick - Danica Patrick - 49.621
19th quick - Danica Patrick - 49.572
13th quick - Milka Duno - 49.475
2nd quick - Alli Owens - 49.192
Notes - the Cope twins ran 2 & 5 laps respectively, right at the
start of the day's running. Presumably mechnical issues.
Ashley Parlett also ran only 10 laps (note - Ashley is already
in the Nationwide series, being a brake & suspension specialist
on one of the teams).
Danica Patrick tested two cars, running a total of 83 laps, far
more than any other driver (so I guess she's serious about it).
Milka Duno was faster than Danica Patrick, which undoubtably
surprised a lot of people.
Alli Owens fast time was in the draft.
John
Martin X. Moleski, SJ
>> ... Sum all of the races in all of the things you consider stock-car
>> series.
>> Add up all of the entrants in those series in one years.
>> Find the percentage of women participating.
>> I'll bet it is a fraction of 1%.
>Stock cars is lagging a bit, I'll agree.
>But, to my point, the ARCA test has (if they all show up)
>9 women out of 50 drivers. That's nearly 20% (18% to be
>precise). Indy had 3 out of 33, nearly 10%. NHRA Pro
>Stock Bike has had as many as 4 of 16 qualifiers at at
>least one event (25%).
I definitely am out of the loop--I had no idea the
numbers were that high in the other motor sports.
>That's a lot more than one percent, and those are all series
>where the participants have come up thru lower levels of
>racing, suggesting that there's a fair number of women at
>the lower levels too.
OK. At 10%, it clearly is a lot less odd than it used to be.
DAVe
> Milka Duno was faster than Danica Patrick, which undoubtably
> surprised a lot of people.
Including me.
Go Milka!
John McCoy
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Not me, tho.
Sunday PM Danica set fast time of the women (5th fast), but
neither Milka Duno not Alli Owens ran that session. Danica
again ran far more laps than anyone else.
In the morning session Alli Owens was fasted of the ladies,
by a considerable margin. Patrick, Duno, Patrick in the
second car, Parlett, Munter, Cobb, and the two Cope girls
followed.
(based on testing, I'd say Owens (duh), Duno, and Patrick are
certain to qual for the ARCA race. Parlett looks pretty
solid too. Cobb and Munter look shakey (as does George, who
didn't run today). The Cope sisters aren't close to fast
enough (but, I don't think they're actually intending to
attempt the race; for them this is just to get acclimitized
to the car).
John