Vive la France!

[Bobster]

Bernie says a deal for an F1 race in France "is done". They'll host it
every 2nd year, alternating with another, not yet identified race.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99130

Joe Saward
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/a-race-of-a-different-sort/
hints that the alternating race will not be Belgium, indeed that
Belgium might vanish from the calendar.
"The original plan was for it to be Belgium, but there seem to be
other problems going on there and the latest suggest I have heard is
that it could be with one of the Spanish races. If that is the case
Belgium will probably disappear completely, which would be a shame.
The local politicians in Wallonia need to get themselves sorted out
quickly if they want to have a guaranteed future for the race at Spa."

[brafield]

On Apr 24, 9:03 pm, Bobster <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bernie says a deal for an F1 race in France "is done". They'll host it
> every 2nd year, alternating with another, not yet identified race.http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99130
>

> Joe Sawardhttp://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/a-race-of-a-different-sort/

> hints that the alternating race will not be Belgium, indeed that
> Belgium might vanish from the calendar.
> "The original plan was for it to be Belgium,

For what my vote's worth, I'd say race at Spa twice a year.

[Sla#s]

Upvote that!
Please dump Spain!

Slatts

[Paul Giverin]

In message
<0cab90b9-b902-4586...@w6g2000pbp.googlegroups.com>,
brafield <braf...@hotmail.com> writes

There's a lot of shit posted here but that's the best suggestion I've
heard in a long time :)


--
Paul Giverin

My Photos:- www.giverin.co.uk

[Mower Man]

Seconded!

--
Chris

'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it
every six months.'

(Oscar Wilde.)

[build]

On Apr 26, 5:20 am, Mower Man <chrislov...@nospamf2s.com> wrote:
> On 25/04/2012 7:52 PM, Paul Giverin wrote:
>
> > In message

> > <0cab90b9-b902-4586-b488-5d789b135...@w6g2000pbp.googlegroups.com>,
> > brafield <brafi...@hotmail.com> writes

> >> On Apr 24, 9:03 pm, Bobster <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Bernie says a deal for an F1 race in France "is done". They'll host it
> >>> every 2nd year, alternating with another, not yet identified
> >>> race.http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99130
>
> >>> Joe
> >>> Sawardhttp://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/a-race-of-a-different-s
> >>> ort/
> >>> hints that the alternating race will not be Belgium, indeed that
> >>> Belgium might vanish from the calendar.
> >>> "The original plan was for it to be Belgium,
>
> >> For what my vote's worth, I'd say race at Spa twice a year.
>
> > There's a lot of shit posted here but that's the best suggestion I've
> > heard in a long time :)
>
> Seconded!
>
> --
> Chris

I reckon everyone, Teams, Drivers, Fans would all prefer Spa to Spain
or Paul Ricard. Also I do not recall Paul Ricard being a popular
circuit, was it? Perhaps it might be worse than Valencia?

;-)
beers,

[build]

Also: It does take more than a great track to make a great GP. I think
if a vote were taken the Canadian or Monaco GP's would top the list
and neither is a great track <shrug>

beers,

[John Briggs]

On 25/04/2012 20:40, build wrote:
> On Apr 26, 5:20 am, Mower Man<chrislov...@nospamf2s.com> wrote:
>> On 25/04/2012 7:52 PM, Paul Giverin wrote:
>>
>>> In message
>>> <0cab90b9-b902-4586-b488-5d789b135...@w6g2000pbp.googlegroups.com>,
>>> brafield<brafi...@hotmail.com> writes
>>>> On Apr 24, 9:03 pm, Bobster<megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Bernie says a deal for an F1 race in France "is done". They'll host it
>>>>> every 2nd year, alternating with another, not yet identified
>>>>> race.http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99130
>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> Sawardhttp://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/a-race-of-a-different-s
>>>>> ort/
>>>>> hints that the alternating race will not be Belgium, indeed that
>>>>> Belgium might vanish from the calendar.
>>>>> "The original plan was for it to be Belgium,
>>
>>>> For what my vote's worth, I'd say race at Spa twice a year.
>>
>>> There's a lot of shit posted here but that's the best suggestion I've
>>> heard in a long time :)
>>
>> Seconded!
>

> I reckon everyone, Teams, Drivers, Fans would all prefer Spa to Spain
> or Paul Ricard. Also I do not recall Paul Ricard being a popular
> circuit, was it? Perhaps it might be worse than Valencia?

Was it Paul Ricard which was the French circuit in the middle of
nowhere, so there were no decent hotels for the drivers?
--
John Briggs

[build]

Nah, I know that track you refer to very well ... it's a long story.
That is Magny-Cours. It's actually not that bad apart from
accommodation.

beers,

[Mower Man]

Circuit Gilles Villeneuve may not be a "great" track, but it has so much
more to recommend it than, say, Valencia or Abhu Dhabi nad several
others, that it totally deserves a place on the calendar IMO.

As for Monaco, yes it's eye candy but it's also a challenge for an F1
car. A ridiculous place to run the cars but *so* demanding on accuracy.
Great.

[Mower Man]

Magny Cours is not even a good track, let alone great . I don't miss it
any more than the Las Vegas car park.

Ricard isn't bad - but again, not "great".

[Von Fourche]

"Bobster" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a749859-c305-437e...@21g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...

So Europe has allowed F1 to become this? You get an F1 race in your
country every other year? Come on guys,
you really need to overthrow the F.I.A. and get it out of Bernie's a*s. It
seems Bernie runs F1 and the F.I.A.

[Bobster]

On Apr 25, 9:49 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Also: It does take more than a great track to make a great GP. I think
> if a vote were taken the Canadian or Monaco GP's would top the list
> and neither is a great track <shrug>

Exactly. These legendary tracks don't always create good races. They
have history, but that's not the same thing as great entertainment.
People tend to say things abotu Spa like drivers can express
themselves and that it's a test of a car and driver in high speed
corners. Whatever all that is worth. In the meantime nobody is saying
that China has a great F1 track (though it's not another Valencia
either), but equally I don't hear anybody saying we haven't just had
an excellent race there.

This doesn't mean that it does not or cannot produce great races, but
it also doesn't mean that it will. So I don't understand the longing
for these classic race tracks - unless it's a resistance to change.

[CatharticF1]

I agree.

There are great tracks which are fabulous to watch even when the field is spread and some which tend to close the field and others which seem to encourage passing.

China is typically good and so most of us probably have a good feeling about it even if it doesn't have the history or allure of Spa/Silverstone/Monza/Suzuka (for me).

It's the Monacos/Valencias/Barcelonas/Abu Dhabis and Bahrains etc. that I rile against.

[Bobster]

On Apr 26, 7:31 am, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There are great tracks which are fabulous to watch even when the field is spread and some which tend to close the field and others which seem to encourage passing.
>
> China is typically good and so most of us probably have a good feeling about it even if it doesn't have the history or allure of Spa/Silverstone/Monza/Suzuka (for me).
>
> It's the Monacos/Valencias/Barcelonas/Abu Dhabis and Bahrains etc. that I rile against.

Monaco puzzles me. If you were to propose such a track now you'd be
laughed out of town, but it seems sacrosanct. They *do* spend quite a
lot of money on facilities and improvements - which says that the
Principality somehow finds it financially worthwhile, and in some ways
it's a benchmark. Look at how good they are at getting stranded cars
off the track - but then they HAVE to be able to do that.

I suppose it has marketing value. It's F1's gala event.

In some ways it's a test of driving - make a mistake at Monaco and
you're more than likely toast. It's an unforgiving track. But that
doesn't always make a great RACE. It can mean twists of fate which
impact on the result, and so it is a track at which you've got to
push, push, push all the time and hope you can force the guy in front
to make an error. Good racing though?

[CatharticF1]

Yes - it would be a good rally stage, but it's not a race track. And tradition is the only reason it is still in the calendar.

[Frank Adam]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:56:09 -0700 (PDT), CatharticF1 <rasf1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I feel that way about Monza too. I don't think that track is actually a decent
test for drivers, or would lends itself to a passing cavalcade. It is usually
a fairly boring race with damn long, fast straights. The DRS may help there,
but i seem to recall many cars were just bouncing off the limiter there last
year and not being able to take advantage.
Monaco is a traffic jam running on adrenaline. Usually not a good or pretty
race, but with all the cars bunched up so close, it is visually pleasing. Due
to its unforgiving nature, it also provides the chance for upsets.
Who's tipping Trulli for a win ? :)



--

Regards, Frank

[Sir Tim]

Bobster <mega...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This doesn't mean that it does not or cannot produce great races, but
> it also doesn't mean that it will. So I don't understand the longing
> for these classic race tracks - unless it's a resistance to change.

One man's "resistance to change" is another man's "respect for tradition".
I'd be sorry to see Monza, Monaco or Spa disappear from the calendar - but
then I'd love it if there was still racing at Brooklands :-)

Whatever will be will be and there is little the average fan can do about
it.

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[Sir Tim]

CatharticF1 <rasf1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes - it would be a good rally stage, but it's not a race track. And
> tradition is the only reason it is still in the calendar.

it's a great day out and a chance for the proles to mix with the
glitterati.
Not much to do with F1 but who cares?
--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[Michael Press]

In article
<0cab90b9-b902-4586...@w6g2000pbp.googlegroups.com>,

Hear! Hear! An awesome course.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article
<cfce02bd-09f5-44bc...@m7g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,

I enjoy watching the cars go around Spa,
an entirely subjective, aesthetic point of view.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article
<cd270247-12ec-4b08...@12g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,

It may not always be a great race.
It _is_ a race. It is a spectacle. I enjoy it.
If the season were a bunch of cookie-cutter
tracks this forum would be howling. Count
your blessings.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article
<a86bc6a5-ec0a-4dfc...@me1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,

> Nah, I know that track you refer to very well ... it's a long story.
> That is Magny-Cours. It's actually not that bad apart from
> accommodation.

I cannot help wondering if it is ever called "mangy curs."

--
Michael Press

[forty]

I'll second that. Despite the odd layout of the circuit, it tends to
produce some interesting races. Off the track, however, Montreal offers
an outstanding race weekend experience. The city comes alive that
weekend, and the overall atmosphere and festivities are truly wonderful.
I cringe at the thought of missing it again this year.

--
forty

Usenet: Serious Business

[forty]

Oh, it is...

[Timmy]

forty wrote ...

>
> I'll second that. Despite the odd layout of the circuit, it tends to
> produce some interesting races. Off the track, however, Montreal offers
> an outstanding race weekend experience. The city comes alive that
> weekend, and the overall atmosphere and festivities are truly wonderful.
> I cringe at the thought of missing it again this year.

I know one marshall who won't be invited again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZVpjviLro

[forty]

Yeah, that guy isn't coming back.

I asked around, and it turns out that was some local guy who managed to
get in for the race. At first, they thought he was an American and the
Quebecois chiefs were getting ready to unload on all of the cochons
anglais. Then they found out it was one of their French Canadian locals,
and they kept it hush-hush.

The anti-American sentiment within the marshals group is the one sore
spot of working at that GP. It isn't unbearable, but it can mar the
experience. /rant

[Timmy]

forty wrote ...

Learn old fashioned French and you'll be accepted.

[forty]

They don't speak old fashioned French in Quebec... :)

[Timmy]

forty wrote ...

> >
> >
> > Learn old fashioned French and you'll be accepted.
> >
>
> They don't speak old fashioned French in Quebec... :)

Not that I give a FF about frogs, but I have heard real frogs have
problems with understanding the froggish wot them Quebec frogs speak.

[forty]

On 5/3/12 4:19 PM, Timmy wrote:

That is quite true. Quebecois French is markedly different from
"standard" European/Parisian French. As one of the friendly locals (they
are actually the majority in my experience) told me, they don't have
much difficulty understanding someone from France but it is quite a
different story the other way around.

[Timmy]

forty wrote ...

Like I said. Quebec frog has fossilised in isolation, real frog has
moved on, despite their government doing everything in their power to
fossilise real frog.

Silly buggers should give up and start using English, like the rest of
the world.

Language zealots really fuck me off.

[Mower Man]

La Francais within La France varies enormously both in accent and
dialect/patois.

Last time I listened to any Quebecois it seemed easier to compr(eh)end
than, say, the Loire (classi/c/que) version.

Worse, as for Parisian, well if you like endless vowels with almost no
separation between words and apparently no consonants, good luck. I'd
rather listen to the Basque version. It's like hearing an English
speaker trying out the French language phonetically - probably ugly but
easy to understand!

[Mower Man]

We should all speak Romanian. It's beautiful, it's Romance/Latin based
and is very easy to understand in a short time whatever 1st lingo you
have. (Possible exceptions being non Indo-European languages like Arabic
or Maltese, that is.)

Bugger invented universal languages.

Example: "Old address" = "Addressa Vecchia". Brilliant - anyone who has
any Latin gets it straight away!

This *IS* a TIC post BTW? ;-)

[Mower Man]

Was I wrong about Arabic?? Or indeed, Maltese?

[Timmy]

Mower Man wrote ...

>
> On 03/05/2012 9:19 PM, Timmy wrote:
> > forty wrote ...
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Learn old fashioned French and you'll be accepted.
> >>>
> >>
> >> They don't speak old fashioned French in Quebec... :)
> >
> >
> > Not that I give a FF about frogs, but I have heard real frogs have
> > problems with understanding the froggish wot them Quebec frogs speak.
> >
> >
> La Francais within La France varies enormously both in accent and
> dialect/patois.
>
> Last time I listened to any Quebecois it seemed easier to compr(eh)end
> than, say, the Loire (classi/c/que) version.
>
> Worse, as for Parisian, well if you like endless vowels with almost no
> separation between words and apparently no consonants, good luck. I'd
> rather listen to the Basque version. It's like hearing an English
> speaker trying out the French language phonetically - probably ugly but
> easy to understand!

I hear plenty of foreign languages every time pop into town - at least
10 every visit. I don't have a clue what half of them are. Sometimes I
hear English!

[brafield]

On May 3, 1:51 pm, Timmy <Ti...@to.ms> wrote:
>
> Silly buggers should give up and start using English, like the rest of
> the world.
>
> Language zealots really fuck me off.

Definition of a "Language zealot": someone who says THEY SHOULD START
USING ENGLISH [--] THEY REALLY FUCK ME OFF.

[Bigbird]

Popping into Lidl is like taking a shopping trip in Eastern Europe
without the flight delays.

[build]

The English are quite lucky as they get a broader influx of immigrants
than we do here in Australia but we are grateful of those who choose
our country as they bring so much to broaden our already broad views
of the world. Apart from the ignorant minorities I imagine you are
quite grateful of your geographic location in relation to immigration.

beers,

[Timmy]

Bigbird wrote ...

> >
> > I hear plenty of foreign languages every time pop into town - at
> > least 10 every visit. I don't have a clue what half of them are.
> > Sometimes I hear English!
>
> Popping into Lidl is like taking a shopping trip in Eastern Europe
> without the flight delays.

The Chinese supermarket shut and has been replaced by a Polish one !

[Timmy]

build wrote ...

>
> The English are quite lucky as they get a broader influx of immigrants
> than we do here in Australia but we are grateful of those who choose
> our country as they bring so much to broaden our already broad views
> of the world. Apart from the ignorant minorities I imagine you are
> quite grateful of your geographic location in relation to immigration.
>
> beers,

... whereas, the treatment the Aborigiies receive....

[build]

Is very damned good but what has the first Australians have to do with
immigrants? I'm just saying how lucky you Brits are, do you disagree?

beers,

[Timmy]

build wrote ...

Australian police accused of racism over shooting of Aboriginal
joyriders

guardian.co.uk,
Tuesday 24 April 2012

&

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252444/


What was the boast ?

[build]

OK, those Aboriginals stole a car and drove it onto a crowded
footpath. Do you think British police would have perhaps arrested the
pedestrians on the footpath for getting in the way?

Looking forward to your response.

[build]

Here is a better one for you.
"Three arrested over Alice Springs sex attack"
http://www.smh.com.au/national/three-arrested-over-alice-springs-sex-attack-20120504-1y34l.html

Get a life.

[Timmy]

YFI

Go back to your bottle

[Timmy]

build wrote ...

> > > > > The English are quite lucky as they get a broader influx of immigrants
> > > > > than we do here in Australia but we are grateful of those who choose
> > > > > our country as they bring so much to broaden our already broad views
> > > > > of the world. Apart from the ignorant minorities I imagine you are
> > > > > quite grateful of your geographic location in relation to immigration.
> >
> > > > > beers,
> >
> > > > ... whereas, the treatment the Aborigiies receive....
> >
> > > Is very damned good but what has the first Australians have to do with
> > > immigrants? I'm just saying how lucky you Brits are, do you disagree?
> >
> > Australian police accused of racism over shooting of Aboriginal
> > joyriders
> >
> > guardian.co.uk,
> > Tuesday 24 April 2012
> >
> > &
> >
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252444/
> >
> > What was the boast ?
>
> Here is a better one for you.
> "Three arrested over Alice Springs sex attack"
> http://www.smh.com.au/national/three-arrested-over-alice-springs-sex-attack-20120504-1y34l.html
>
> Get a life.

http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/law/aboriginal-prison-
rates.html

60% - Percentage by which the imprisonment rate for Aboriginal women
increased between 2000 and 2010. Same figure for Aboriginal men: 35%

[build]

On May 4, 6:12 pm, Timmy <Ti...@to.ms> wrote:
> build wrote ...
>
>
>
> > > > > > The English are quite lucky as they get a broader influx of immigrants
> > > > > > than we do here in Australia but we are grateful of those who choose
> > > > > > our country as they bring so much to broaden our already broad views
> > > > > > of the world. Apart from the ignorant minorities I imagine you are
> > > > > > quite grateful of your geographic location in relation to immigration.
>
> > > > > > beers,
>
> > > > > ... whereas, the treatment the Aborigiies receive....
>
> > > > Is very damned good but what has the first Australians have to do with
> > > > immigrants? I'm just saying how lucky you Brits are, do you disagree?
>
> > > Australian police accused of racism over shooting of Aboriginal
> > > joyriders
>
> > > guardian.co.uk,
> > > Tuesday 24 April 2012
>
> > > &
>
> > >http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252444/
>
> > > What was the boast ?
>
> > Here is a better one for you.
> > "Three arrested over Alice Springs sex attack"

> >http://www.smh.com.au/national/three-arrested-over-alice-springs-sex-...

>
> > Get a life.
>
> http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/law/aboriginal-prison-
> rates.html
>
> 60% - Percentage by which the imprisonment rate for Aboriginal women
> increased between 2000 and 2010. Same figure for Aboriginal men: 35%

A survey done has found that almost half of UK men between the age of
18 and 25 do not consider it rape to force a woman who has changed her
mind to continue sex.

Are half of British men rapists? i think not.

I rest my case.

[Timmy]

build wrote ...

YFI

Best go rest your head.

I post a fact - you come up with some invented survey.

[Bigbird]

I'll ignore the insincerity of your post just to say that there was a
time perhaps 15-20 years ago when I was actually very proud of our
multi-cultural society. Since then the lack of immigration control has
resulted in communities where integration is less and a hugely
diversifying black economy undermines employment and serves to fuel the
racist policies of the growing "ignorant minority" blurring the
difference between racism and immgration policy.

I think it would take many years of Australia opening it's borders
instead of ferrying immigrants to remote islands for you to begin to
comprehend why an unbalanced immigration policy is nothing to be
envious of.

[Bigbird]

Quite right. Having an opinion does not make one a rapist. Or were you
thinking how you'd like them on your jury?

> I rest my case.

If your case was to demonstrate your ignorance you have done a fine
job...though you post does raise one or two questions about your own
morality and perception.

Are you saying you do not consider it rape? Are you saying you don't
understand the differnce between "considering" something and raping
someone? The difference between an opinion and an act?

[Bigbird]

A story about three alleged rapists in Aus.

What is your point here?

[Sir Tim]

build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> A survey done has found that almost half of UK men between the age of
> 18 and 25 do not consider it rape to force a woman who has changed her
> mind to continue sex.

What survey was that?
Can you give us a link?

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[Timmy]

Sir Tim wrote ...

The drunk will have forgotten by now

Info here, but no real figures
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/15812644

[Frank Adam]

On Fri, 4 May 2012 09:12:14 +0100, Timmy <Ti...@to.ms> wrote:

>
>60% - Percentage by which the imprisonment rate for Aboriginal women
>increased between 2000 and 2010. Same figure for Aboriginal men: 35%
>

You are getting into an area that you don't and can't understand from over
there.

Let me help you out... What we do here is that, if a white person robs a store
or rapes a woman, we toss a coin with Queen Lizzy on the tails side and if we
see her, we just pick out an aborigine to put in jail in the offender's place.
It is perfectly sound and nobody can challenge the validity of the well versed
eeny-meeny-miney-moe we use to select the next prisoner.
In fact, most of the white guys in jail are simply there as moles, after all,
you gotta keep an eye on them prisoners.

HTH.

ps: Don't be a PC driven dick. Some things are simply what they are and
applying some form of feel good reasoning to try and direct blame at others
for something which is <cough> black and white, is merely a prettying up of
the actual truth of the matter.

--

Regards, Frank

[build]

Try google and choose any crap that suits your agenda. The point is
that racist crap from Bird and his other personas is just that, racist
crap.

Why is Britain becoming as multi-cultural as Australia? Because Brits
are racists? Well, no or they'd vote to change that. Brits I've met
are mostly not racist, those Brits are a minority.

beers,

[build]

Frank,
There is no truth, just a situation. Buy a bike, I'll take you on a
ride so you can see the situation first hand it is not good but also
it's not as bad out there as might be told from the headlines ... you
will see first hand what is being tried out. It's a bit like me and my
kids, I stumble along and occasionally they teach how to do my
parenting a little better. Of coarse it is bigger and more important
problem that me and my kids. I have found the folk doing the most are
often black, often older but not always (but some whites, in my
experience older whites) and they make little or no noise but are more
effective with wise words than a christian or psychologist with multi-
million dollar funding.. The thing is there are good and bad people
out there so we do not need to throw more than money, we need to throw
time and thought after all we live in their country. Make no mistake
there is more than enough money, too much. The number of psychologists
out there doing research is astounding, all earning good salaries with
hardship benefits, etc.. Yet none seem to have answers.

Before I had been out there on my own I would have said "they need
education" and that was valid but so wrong and now I realise that
"white Australian" education and "First Australian" education are so
different it is not as simple as the Minister thinks or maybe he knows
but does not have any answers.

One thing I can tell you. The kids who are in control and living life
have self esteem, the minority kids who are out of control and to be
brutal dying .. don't. Why? I suspect the answer in Oodnadatta will be
different to Kununarra. The only thing I'm sure of is that it involves
trust. White folk don't trust, Abo's trust.

beers,

[Timmy]

build wrote ...

>
> Try google and choose any crap that suits your agenda. The point is
> that racist crap from Bird and his other personas is just that, racist
> crap.
>
> Why is Britain becoming as multi-cultural as Australia? Because Brits
> are racists? Well, no or they'd vote to change that. Brits I've met
> are mostly not racist, those Brits are a minority.
>

Such a short memory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy

[build]

That was a British policy but we became Independent and told the Brits
to get stuffed.

[Sir Tim]

build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 6, 7:36 am, Sir Tim <bent...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:
>> build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A survey done has found that almost half of UK men between the age of
>>> 18 and 25 do not consider it rape to force a woman who has changed her
>>> mind to continue sex.
>>
>> What survey was that?
>> Can you give us a link?
>

> Try google and choose any crap that suits your agenda.

No, *you* try Google and give me a link to support your assertion.

>The point is
> that racist crap from Bird and his other personas is just that, racist
> crap.

Sorry, what has racism to do with the attitude of British 18 to
25-year-olds towards rape?

Incidentally it is ridiculous to assume that Bigbird and Timmy are one and
the same person just because they both dislike some of your posts. The fact
is that you seem to have the knack of rubbing people up the wrong way.

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[Timmy]

Suddenly you're not British.
Interesting.

[build]

No, I'm not going to do your homework, do your own google and draw
your own conclusion.

Perhaps you should be asking what has some obscure stat that Bird
dragged up to distract from his racism have to do with the fact that
Bird made racist comments about eastern Europeans in Britain.

You may benefit from letting Bird know you do not agree? or perhaps
you agree?

[Bigbird]

build wrote:

> On May 6, 7:36 am, Sir Tim <bent...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:
> > build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > A survey done has found that almost half of UK men between the
> > > age of 18 and 25 do not consider it rape to force a woman who has
> > > changed her mind to continue sex.
> >
> > What survey was that?
> > Can you give us a link?
> >
> > --
> > Henry Birkin, Bt.
>
> Try google and choose any crap that suits your agenda. The point is
> that racist crap from Bird and his other personas is just that, racist
> crap.
>

Oh dear, you are always looking for an excuse for the fact that it is
more than just me that find your lies unpalatable.

You clearly are a racist trying to hide behind meaningless rhetoric and
yet more lies.

I know I've said this before but you disgust me. You are a filthy
little excuse of a man.

> Why is Britain becoming as multi-cultural as Australia? Because Brits
> are racists? Well, no or they'd vote to change that. Brits I've met
> are mostly not racist, those Brits are a minority.
>

The logic of a drunk.

So why are you such a liar and why is your only friend the bottle.
Perhaps your family have turned their back on you because you are a
selfish, shallow and egotistical liar. Hell even the dog couldn't stand
your company.

[build]

You again bring up your closest friend, the bottle while changing the
subject. Why?

[Bobster]

They play that game in Australia too? There are folks in SA that lay
the blame for apartheid firmly at the feet of the British. In both
cases the countries had their own parliaments and made their own
decisions from early in the 20th century.

Oz adopted it's own constitution and appointed a PM in 1901.

[Bobster]

On May 6, 8:05 pm, Sir Tim <bent...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:

> Incidentally it is ridiculous to assume that Bigbird and Timmy are one and
> the same person just because they both dislike some of your posts.

I'm sure that there's some sock-puppetry going on on RASF1. However I
can't see Timmy (as he currently calls himself) and Bird as being one
and the same.

The whole thing is a bit silly anyway. Say Build KF's me and I invent
some other entity to engage him in debate or slanging matches. I can't
come out and say "nyah nyah fooled you!". So it's one of those things
that you might think is fun but it's hard to confess to doing it.

The only way to proceed is to treat posts and posters as you find them
on the group.

[Bigbird]

build is an habitual liar. He has on various occasions accused more
than half a dozen other posters of being me. When called on it he has
denied doing so then when the proof has been provided he has slunk away
to his drinking den. Perhaps being an habitual liar he finds discerning
the truth more difficult than most.

Now proof of any kind is not something that build feels any compulsion
to provide. He is quite happy to make a fool of himself and just be
known as an irritating and rather inane little twat.

I can't think that there can be anyone who frequents this group like
build and doesn't not recognise noj and his many morphs. build must be
top of idiot school not to know what he is saying is untrue...but then
he is an habitual liar...

...so is he just being stupid or is he being a stupid liar.

Stupid is as stupid does and build certainly does stupid.

[Bigbird]

You made yourself and your lies the subject when you accused me of
writing "racist crap".

You surely don't expect me to go through the pantomime of asking you to
prove what you can't prove. I've learned my lesson. Nowadays I skip a
few dozen posts where you lie through your teeth and just jump to the
part where I say what I know. You are an imbecile and a liar.

I see you've dropped your sig.

It's a bit late to worry about appearing insincere or dishonest...

"beers"

[Timmy]

Bobster wrote ...

I've been Timmy since that twat APLer did my head in by accusing
everyone of being Timmy.

[Timmy]

Timmy wrote ...

>
>
> I've been Timmy since that twat APLer did my head in by accusing
> everyone of being Timmy.

That would be fanghorn - aka APLer - aka chuckcar
He's disappeared completely in the last year or so.

[build]

On May 7, 4:05 am, Sir Tim <bent...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:
> build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 6, 7:36 am, Sir Tim <bent...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:
> >> build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> A survey done has found that almost half of UK men between the age of
> >>> 18 and 25 do not consider it rape to force a woman who has changed her
> >>> mind to continue sex.
>
> >> What survey was that?
> >> Can you give us a link?
>
> > Try google and choose any crap that suits your agenda.
>
> No, *you* try Google and give me a link to support your assertion.
>
> >The point is
> > that racist crap from Bird and his other personas is just that, racist
> > crap.
>
> Sorry, what has racism to do with the attitude of British 18 to
> 25-year-olds towards rape?

That was the point, do you think that that stat has any basis in fact?
I hope not. The Brits I know and have worked with and three of my
sisters and one of my brothers who live there are not racist yet some
members persist in posting vile racist rubbish that offends most
Brits. Then some jump in to defend them :-(

> Incidentally it is ridiculous to assume that Bigbird and Timmy are one and
> the same person just because they both dislike some of your posts. The fact
> is that you seem to have the knack of rubbing people up the wrong way.

If you look it is not just my posts that they do not like but others
too, like Cath, Bob, Mower, etc. But always in unison. Bird always has
a wingman/men usually with noise not content. Why is it that certain
members jump in that have not been around for quite a while when a
certain member gets into a stoush with Cath, Bob, etc? Watch who
replies to whom and when and why. It becomes very obvious and there
are many variants. I've been on the web since Bulletin boards in the
eighties and I must admit I was surprised the first time I saw a
double nic exposed but since then I have seen so many most of whom I
did not notice but who were exposed.

> --
> Henry Birkin, Bt.

beers,

[build]

Well, I do have a British passport and I do think of myself as a dual
citizen but thank god I'm nothing like you.

[Timmy]

build wrote ...

It's your choice to remain a drunken liar.

[Bobster]

On May 8, 4:55 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you look it is not just my posts that they do not like but others
> too, like Cath, Bob, Mower, etc. But always in unison. Bird always has
> a wingman/men usually with noise not content. Why is it that certain
> members jump in that have not been around for quite a while when a
> certain member gets into a stoush with Cath, Bob, etc? Watch who
> replies to whom and when and why. It becomes very obvious and there
> are many variants.

Bah! Circumstantial. I could apply the same "logic" to "show" that you
and ~misfit~ are the same bloke.

[Bigbird]

build wrote:

> On May 7, 4:05 am, Sir Tim <bent...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:
> > build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 6, 7:36 am, Sir Tim <bent...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>> A survey done has found that almost half of UK men between the
> > age of >>> 18 and 25 do not consider it rape to force a woman who
> > has changed her >>> mind to continue sex.
> >
> > >> What survey was that?
> > >> Can you give us a link?
> >
> > > Try google and choose any crap that suits your agenda.
> >

> > No, you try Google and give me a link to support your assertion.

> >
> > > The point is
> > > that racist crap from Bird and his other personas is just that,
> > > racist crap.
> >
> > Sorry, what has racism to do with the attitude of British 18 to
> > 25-year-olds towards rape?
>
> That was the point, do you think that that stat has any basis in fact?
> I hope not. The Brits I know and have worked with and three of my
> sisters and one of my brothers who live there are not racist yet some
> members persist in posting vile racist rubbish that offends most
> Brits. Then some jump in to defend them :-(
>
> > Incidentally it is ridiculous to assume that Bigbird and Timmy are
> > one and the same person just because they both dislike some of your
> > posts. The fact is that you seem to have the knack of rubbing
> > people up the wrong way.
>
> If you look it is not just my posts that they do not like but others
> too, like Cath, Bob, Mower, etc.

Lots of people don't like your posts you arrogant twat.

Don't you get that yet.

> But always in unison. Bird always has
> a wingman/men usually with noise not content. Why is it that certain
> members jump in that have not been around for quite a while when a
> certain member gets into a stoush with Cath, Bob, etc? Watch who
> replies to whom and when and why. It becomes very obvious and there
> are many variants. I've been on the web since Bulletin boards in the
> eighties and I must admit I was surprised the first time I saw a
> double nic exposed but since then I have seen so many most of whom I
> did not notice but who were exposed.

Paranoia is the obvious diagnosis.

Others can see what a pratt you are being. The only reason you can't is
that your ego can't take the hit.

There is not a shred of evidence to prove your case. That would simply
be impossible. You want something to be true so much that even though
there is far more circumstantial evidence to disprove your desperate
hypothesis you cling to it like a drunk clinging to a lamp post.

You once claimed I was AC, Sir Tim and half a dozen others, you were
caught in a lie when you protested otherwise. One day you will sober up
and realise that the truth is very different to your lies and then you
will feel like the fool everybody else is telling you that you are
being over this.

You are the fake; not me.

It's irritating but mostly it's just really pathetic.

[Sir Tim]

Actually I'm texasgate ;-)

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[Timmy]

Sir Tim wrote ...

No way. As a member of the English gentry, you'd have called yourself
CattleGrid

--
Sparticus

[Bobster]

This is going way too far! It does nobody any credit at all.

[Bigbird]

But doesn't that mean I'm texasgate too!?!

I have a lot of explaining to myself to do.

[Bigbird]

Of course not...
...it's a simple case of when thrown bullshit throw some back and see
how the other guy likes it.

[Bobster]

Bollocks! It's way out of proportion to anything that's been dealt to
you.

Completely OTT, even if build isn't your sexual partner of choice or
your bosom drinking buddy.

[Bigbird]

That is your opinion but it really doesn't matter what you think. I am
simply telling you and you can either take it on board and not like it
or go hang.

build chooses his manner of trolling and I choose my manner of
response. This is not an gentleman's duel. build deals his lies and I
am saying to him that if he contiues to behave in his manner that this
is the response he can expept.

You may claim I'm bringing a gun to a knife fight but then I am the one
being poked repeatedly and I think it is up to me what weapons I choose.

build has the choice to simply stop fabricating. I have build generally
ignored but when I see my nym being used in response to other peoples
posts I find it irritating and this is my choice of response.

As you know yourself there is no arguing the point with the man.

[Ian Dalziel]

On 9 May 2012 09:32:41 GMT, "Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com>
wrote:

No, I'm texasgate and so is my civil partner!

--

Ian D