Jim Clark again.

[Grant]

Just another racing driver that ran out of talent.

Platitudes from people here who where mostly children at the time with no
actual memories of the events.

He was only a racing driver he contributed nothing for the good of mankind
he was simply an entertainer, who was lucky enough to be doing something he
loved, when he died 43 years ago.

Get some fucking perspective.

[down_hill]

what an ass

hope your demise is painful and lingering.....

[Bigbird]

Way to miss the moral high fround...

--

[Ian Dalziel]

Get some fucking perspective indeed. Or find out something about the
subject before making a cunt of yourself.

--

Ian D

[~misfit~]

I very seldom wish ill upon others as, like Grant (only more than once in my
case), when I have it's actually happened.

However you tempt me sorely.....
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)

[Bobster]

On Apr 10, 1:44 am, " Grant" <Gr...@Mcleod40.fsnet.co.ku.com> wrote:
> Just another racing driver that ran out of talent.

Uh no. Not unless you think that Senna's fatal accident at Imola, or
Moss's career-ending off in '62 were also because the driver "ran out
of talent". There are circumstances that are beyond even the best
drivers. That's why Clark's death hit so hard - his peers thought his
talent was such that things like this weren't going to happen to him.

Clark and Senna were out of the very top drawer of drivers, and you
didn't expect them to die in the way they did. Or if they did you
understood it was not because they were no-hopers taking on something
that was beyond them.

>
> Platitudes from people here who where mostly children at the time with no
> actual memories of the events.
>
> He was only a racing driver he contributed nothing for the good of mankind
> he was simply an entertainer, who was lucky enough to be doing something he
> loved, when he died 43 years ago.

Yes, we can make too much out of a death and the dead person. It is
worth remembering Clark for what he was - a superb racing driver. You
don't have to rush out and build a shrine to him, but he also was not
"just another racing driver that ran out of talent".

[Halmyre]

There's a Russian word "nekulturny" which is difficult to translate
into English, but I think you're a close approximation.

--
Halmyre

[Mower Man]

Who where? Where?

Entertainment?

Good of mankind?

Prat.

--
Chris

'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it
every six months.'

(Oscar Wilde.)

[yourspamhere@nowhere.com Oliver Crawford]

When you encounter trolls, the one thing you should absolutely not do under
any cuircumstances is feed them.

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs Oliver Crawford wrote:
> When you encounter trolls, the one thing you should absolutely not do
> under any cuircumstances is feed them.

I thought there was a clause about bridges in there somewhere?

[AC]

I had no idea that was the Russian for "cunt".

--
AC

[Timmy]

Grant wrote...


<snipped bollocks>


Remember that picture of you posing in your bedroom?
Oh did we laugh.

[Timmy]

~misfit~ wrote...

>
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Grant wrote:
> > Just another racing driver that ran out of talent.
> >
> > Platitudes from people here who where mostly children at the time
> > with no actual memories of the events.
> >
> > He was only a racing driver he contributed nothing for the good of
> > mankind he was simply an entertainer, who was lucky enough to be
> > doing something he loved, when he died 43 years ago.
> >
> > Get some fucking perspective.
>
> I very seldom wish ill upon others as, like Grant (only more than once in my
> case), when I have it's actually happened.
>
> However you tempt me sorely.....

FFS - here we go - another big announcement about your bozo bin.

[build]

How does it feel to be looking at Shaun from the bottom of his bin?

[Grant]

"Timmy" <Ti...@to.ms> wrote in message
news:MPG.29ee32789...@news.aioe.org...

Do you ascribe to the school of thought that says, if you say something
often enough it becomes a fact?

[Timmy]

Grant wrote...

It's a fact. Like I've said previously, you've been a fuckwit for years.
Time you grew up.

Don't forget to shave your chest.

[Timmy]

build wrote...

How's the gutter today?

[FB]

" Grant" <Gr...@Mcleod40.fsnet.co.ku.com> dumped
news:Muednclt_6Si6R7S...@giganews.com...

well, not everybody is mentally deficient like thyself...

I remember Clark pretty well, he was a master of drifting before cars became
crippled planes... there was a picture (no live TV at that time), still live
in my memory, when Clark had his car literally flying, four wheels off the
track...

he died 43 years ago but acomplished much more than your net trolling...


FB

[Grant]

"FB" <no....@for.me.com> wrote in message
news:D26hr.479$sr....@news.usenetserver.com...

Yes he cured cancer.

[Frank Adam]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:00:12 +1200, "~misfit~" <shaun.at...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Somewhere on teh intarwebs Oliver Crawford wrote:
>> When you encounter trolls, the one thing you should absolutely not do
>> under any cuircumstances is feed them.
>
>I thought there was a clause about bridges in there somewhere?
>

Shirley, nobody uses bridges anymore...

--

Regards, Frank

[Bobster]

On Apr 11, 4:31 am, "FB" <no.s...@for.me.com> wrote:

> I remember Clark pretty well, he was a master of drifting before cars became
> crippled planes... there was a picture (no live TV at that time), still live
> in my memory, when Clark had his car literally flying, four wheels off the
> track...
>
> he died 43 years ago but acomplished much more than your net trolling...

How much do racing drivers accomplish? Sure they win championships and
races, and I enjoy the spectacle and admire the skills, but one can
make too much of it. Scientists and rich benefactors (EG Bill Gates)
are much more likely to bring positive changes to the world. Put a kid
in a poor country through school and you've made a real difference.

I'm not saying that race drivers ipso facto DON'T do this - Senna
being a good example - but the ability to get a car around a track as
quickly as possible, makes about as much difference by itself as the
ability to kick a football with great accuracy.

[Brian Lawrence]

"FB" <no....@for.me.com> wrote:

> " Grant" <Gr...@Mcleod40.fsnet.co.ku.com> dumped
> news:Muednclt_6Si6R7S...@giganews.com...
>> Just another racing driver that ran out of talent.
>>
>> Platitudes from people here who where mostly children at the time with no actual memories of
>> the events.
>>
>> He was only a racing driver he contributed nothing for the good of mankind he was simply an
>> entertainer, who was lucky enough to be doing something he loved, when he died 43 years ago.
>>
>> Get some fucking perspective.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> well, not everybody is mentally deficient like thyself...
>
> I remember Clark pretty well, he was a master of drifting before cars became crippled
> planes... there was a picture (no live TV at that time), still live

No live TV? Some GPs - Britain, Monaco, Italy - were on TV in the UK in the
early 'sixties. Some other motorsport too. Obviously, not necessarily in
other countries.

[~misfit~]

He seems to like it. Talking to me knowing that I won't see it (unless
another person quotes it) is like having a go at someone on the phone,
without being connected. Rather odd behaviour. ;-)

[Bobster]

On Apr 11, 9:36 am, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs build wrote:

> He seems to like it. Talking to me knowing that I won't see it (unless
> another person quotes it) is like having a go at someone on the phone,
> without being connected. Rather odd behaviour.  ;-)

I see it the other way, actually. It's the types who have a KF (or say
they do) and who then talk about the people they say they've KFed that
seem to me to be acting questionably.

If I KF you then I place a filter around what I see and what I have to
acknowledge and cope with. So for me to take potshots at you would
look cowardly. OTOH there is no constraint that I can place on you,
and you do not position yourself to filter out anything I say, so you
have the right to carry on as you see fit.

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bobster wrote:
> On Apr 11, 9:36 am, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs build wrote:
>
>> He seems to like it. Talking to me knowing that I won't see it
>> (unless another person quotes it) is like having a go at someone on
>> the phone, without being connected. Rather odd behaviour. ;-)
>
> I see it the other way, actually.

Really? Paint me perplexed!

> It's the types

The types? There's a category for people who have killfiles and it includes
people who do other things? A whole *type*? I'm intruigued.....

> who have a KF (or say
> they do)

I do indeed have a killfile.

> and who then talk about the people they say they've KFed

I have indeed killfiled him but I haven't killfiled build.

> that
> seem to me to be acting questionably.

Do you read all of the spam that comes to your inbox? Or is it filtered out?
If so does that mean you have forgone the right to ever mention the
spammers?

Have you ever screened phone calls? If you have does that mean that you
never talk to or refer to that person again. Ever?

> If I KF you then I place a filter around what I see and what I have to
> acknowledge and cope with. So for me to take potshots at you would
> look cowardly.

If I were looking to shit-stir someone on usenet I'd call them a coward (for
instance) outright rather than dancing around it, positing a situation that
exactly mirrors what just occurred, then stating that the person in this
alternative reality would appear to be showing cowardice.

If someone were to do as I've mentioned above it would show a distinct lack
of intestinal fortitude. In fact it could appear distinctly cowardly in and
of itself. I can't imagine why one would do such a thing when there's
Formula 1 to talk about.

> OTOH there is no constraint that I can place on you,
> and you do not position yourself to filter out anything I say, so you
> have the right to carry on as you see fit.

You're too generous.

That said, I didn't say that he didn't have the right to carry on as he sees
fit. I just made the decision that I didn't want to see it first-hand. If I
see that he's (still?) gibbering away at me, quoted in someone elses post -
just because he's in my killfile doesn't mean that the Gods of Usenet deny
me the right of reply if I so choose to take it. Au contraire, to not reply
in kind might even anger them.

[Bobster]

On Apr 11, 2:17 pm, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bobster wrote:
<snip>

> Do you read all of the spam that comes to your inbox? Or is it filtered out?
> If so does that mean you have forgone the right to ever mention the
> spammers?
>
> Have you ever screened phone calls? If you have does that mean that you
> never talk to or refer to that person again. Ever?

The two are not the same in my books.

Well... it depends on why I KF the person I suppose. If it were just
to filter out all the posts about what some religous text revealed
millenia ago then that's one thing. If I filter out somebody else
because of a personal spat then that's quite another.

So I think the context makes a difference.

I have seen people (you may know the type) who claim to have so-and-so
KFed and then can hardly shut up about the allegedly KFed party. That
strikes me as being at the very least a bit lame.


<snip>

[Sir Tim]

"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote:

>> I remember Clark pretty well, he was a master of drifting before cars became crippled
>> planes... there was a picture (no live TV at that time), still live
>
> No live TV? Some GPs - Britain, Monaco, Italy - were on TV in the UK in the
> early 'sixties. Some other motorsport too. Obviously, not necessarily in
> other countries.

There was live TV coverage of motor racing in the nineteen *fifties*. I
remember watching a BBC outside broadcast of the British GP from Aintree.
Don't think this was recorded though, that was left to the film newsreels
(almost everybody went to the cinema at least once a week in those days).

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[~misfit~]

I agree completely.

I generally killfile people who I know are just going to get me riled up.
Who needs that right? Of course I often see their posts quoted and in
general leave it alone - *unless* they're talking about me - in which case I
may or may not respond. ;-)

[FB]

"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote
news:9ukp72...@mid.individual.net...

> "FB" <no....@for.me.com> wrote:
>
>
> No live TV? Some GPs - Britain, Monaco, Italy - were on TV in the UK in
> the
> early 'sixties. Some other motorsport too. Obviously, not necessarily in
> other countries.
>

well, at least you know there are other countries in the world... ;)

the first FIFA World Cup I've seen live was Mexico 70 and the first Olympics
was Munich 72...

first F1 live was 70 but I remember Le Mans before that...

FB

[build]

On Apr 10, 9:44 am, " Grant" <Gr...@Mcleod40.fsnet.co.ku.com> wrote:
> Just another racing driver that ran out of talent.

Well if you say that about Jim Clark you are saying most if not all
drivers are just another driver, there is basic truth in that. As for
running out of talent well Jim Clark had a lot of talent, statically
more than all the others.

> Platitudes from people here who where mostly children at the time with no
> actual memories of the events.

True but some of us did see Clark drive as children and although we
did not fully appreciate what we had seen we did have access to blokes
who did. I must admit I was reluctant to accept that the bloke was
better than Brabham and I'm still reluctant, they were simply
different.

At the end of the day however if you line up all the great drivers,
Clark is there and in the top few and that in my opinion is
irrefutable, the position he is placed might be but he *has* to be in
the few.

> He was only a racing driver he contributed nothing for the good of mankind
> he was simply an entertainer, who was lucky enough to be doing something he
> loved, when he died 43 years ago.

History says he did contribute, he motivated and inspired many which
is more than I have done.

> Get some fucking perspective.

Perspective? What perspective? yours? or mine? or none?

beers,

[Mower Man]

On 12/04/2012 6:14 AM, build wrote:
> On Apr 10, 9:44 am, " Grant"<Gr...@Mcleod40.fsnet.co.ku.com> wrote:
>> Just another racing driver that ran out of talent.
>
> Well if you say that about Jim Clark you are saying most if not all
> drivers are just another driver, there is basic truth in that. As for

> running out of talent well Jim Clark had a lot of talent, statistically

> more than all the others.
>
>> Platitudes from people here who where mostly children at the time with no
>> actual memories of the events.

I'm happy to say that I saw Clark race many times in many formulae. Sad
to say, I was not a child. IMO he was far and away the best of his
generation whatever he drove. I had to wait until Senna came along for
anything comparable - and as for Senna's replacement, I'm still waiting.

> True but some of us did see Clark drive as children and although we
> did not fully appreciate what we had seen we did have access to blokes
> who did. I must admit I was reluctant to accept that the bloke was
> better than Brabham and I'm still reluctant, they were simply
> different.
>
> At the end of the day however if you line up all the great drivers,
> Clark is there and in the top few and that in my opinion is
> irrefutable, the position he is placed might be but he *has* to be in
> the few.
>
>> He was only a racing driver he contributed nothing for the good of mankind
>> he was simply an entertainer, who was lucky enough to be doing something he
>> loved, when he died 43 years ago.
>
> History says he did contribute, he motivated and inspired many which
> is more than I have done.

Don't we nowadays mourn "entertainers" anyway? Clark certainly
entertained me - whether in a Cortina-Lotus, a Galaxie, a Lotus 30, the
Felday 4wd, F2, F1, whatever.


>> Get some fucking perspective.

Historical perspective? See above.

[Sir Tim]

build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:

> True but some of us did see Clark drive as children and although we
> did not fully appreciate what we had seen we did have access to blokes
> who did. I must admit I was reluctant to accept that the bloke was
> better than Brabham and I'm still reluctant, they were simply
> different.

*Some* of us saw Clark drive as *adults* ;-)
(and, take it from me, Clark was a *lot* better than Brabham).

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[Mower Man]

Seconded!

[build]

<smile> well I'm not qualified to disagree but I would challenge the
use of the word *lot*. Jack didn't win three titles by luck alone.

A few years back I looked at one of those "Top 50" lists and Clark was
not in the top ten. I didn't bother reading beyond that. So, don't get
me wrong I rate him very, very highly. However I don't give numbers to
my top/greatest drivers, I just have a group, most I've seen drive
others I rely on the words of old fellas, blokes who worked in the
sport, sadly most have gone and I miss their wise advise and opinion.

Another point in favour of Clark if looking at stats (which I'm not a
fan of) is that if the Lotus was not so fragile he would have
undoubtedly done even better. I mention that because the "Virtual Stat
Man" put up some stuff on The Flying Lap. You might like to watch it.

beers,

[Bobster]

On Apr 12, 7:14 am, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:

> True but some of us did see Clark drive as children and although we
> did not fully appreciate what we had seen we did have access to blokes
> who did. I must admit I was reluctant to accept that the bloke was
> better than Brabham and I'm still reluctant, they were simply
> different.

I think you're letting patriotism blind you there. As you say, the
debate around Clark is exactly where he ranks in the best of the best.
I've never read a similar debate around Brabham (other than from one-
eyed Ockers) because he's not in that esteemed company to start with.

Very good, sure. Very smart too. But you could say the same about
another triple champ, and nobody seems to think that Nelson Piquet was
an all-time great driver.

Clark, in his time, was the benchmark driver, the guy that everybody
else was measured against just as Senna and Schumacher were the
benchmark in their time. Brabham was never the benchmark.

Executive summary: Clark was better than Brabham.

[build]

I don't disagree with most of your summary and some I can't disagree
with some, I am an Ocker. However as for Piquet, as I said earlier no
one wins three titles by accident. In my view Piquet is one of the
under rated drivers. Look closely at the Mansell - Piquet battle, they
were both greats. Perhaps your best not to start me rambling about
Mansell ... LOL.

beers,