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Brian Lawrence

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Sep 28, 2012, 2:42:36 AM9/28/12
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On BBC just now.

Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

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Brian W Lawrence
Wantage
Oxfordshire

AC

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Sep 28, 2012, 2:47:58 AM9/28/12
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Brian Lawrence wrote:
> On BBC just now.
>
> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.
>

Just heard the end of it, look here to check!!!!

Perez to McLaren? Or my Brit fanwank option, Di Resta?

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AC

Brian Lawrence

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Sep 28, 2012, 3:00:10 AM9/28/12
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Apparently McLaren have signed Perez already.

Brian Lawrence

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Sep 28, 2012, 3:33:33 AM9/28/12
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On 28/09/2012 08:00, Brian Lawrence wrote:
> On 28/09/2012 07:47, AC wrote:
>> Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>> On BBC just now.
>>>
>>> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.
>>>
>>
>> Just heard the end of it, look here to check!!!!
>>
>> Perez to McLaren? Or my Brit fanwank option, Di Resta?
>
> Apparently McLaren have signed Perez already.

And Esteban Gutierrez to Sauber?

Developing news here:

http://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1

Ar

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Sep 28, 2012, 3:53:45 AM9/28/12
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On 28/09/12 07:42, Brian Lawrence wrote:
> On BBC just now.
>
> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

So Ron Dennis' McLaren supercar offer to Lewis is safe from Lewis now.

AC

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Sep 28, 2012, 4:24:04 AM9/28/12
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Brian Lawrence wrote:
> On 28/09/2012 07:47, AC wrote:
>> Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>> On BBC just now.
>>>
>>> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.
>>>
>>
>> Just heard the end of it, look here to check!!!!
>>
>> Perez to McLaren? Or my Brit fanwank option, Di Resta?
>
> Apparently McLaren have signed Perez already.
>

Just heard that myself on the radio. BBC Radio 2 of all places, but
there you go!!!!

Good signing, IMHO, no wonder Ferrari were subtly putting Perez down,
not good enough for a top team yet, my arse!!!!

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Brian Lawrence

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Sep 28, 2012, 4:41:08 AM9/28/12
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Love the way McLaren got their press release out before Mercedes did.
We signed Perez, thanks Lewis. Not that even mentioned LH AFAIK.

AC

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Sep 28, 2012, 4:45:19 AM9/28/12
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Sounds a bit childishly desperate to me, but hey ho...

Certainly something thing to look forward to next season. Can Perez step
it up and can Merc back up their driver with a decent car.

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AC

shazzbat

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Sep 28, 2012, 5:07:19 AM9/28/12
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"Ar" <A...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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And hopefully all the grivers will be safe from Schuntmacher now.

Steve


shazzbat

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Sep 28, 2012, 5:08:09 AM9/28/12
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"shazzbat" <shaz...@spamlessness.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Grivers? Drivers even. Doh.

Steve


Zeppo Marx

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Sep 28, 2012, 5:18:34 AM9/28/12
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On 28.09.12 11:08, shazzbat wrote:
>>
>> And hopefully all the grivers will be safe from Schuntmacher now.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Grivers? Drivers even. Doh.
>
> Steve

If he doesn't sign with Sauber, which is - at least according to Peter
Sauber
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sauber-would-run-schumacher-in-2013/ -
an option Sauber endorses..

larkim

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Sep 28, 2012, 5:54:33 AM9/28/12
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Super smooth JB plus tyre saver extraordinaire Perez at McLaren. Sounds ideal from an engineering perspective to me!

Matt

Alister

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Sep 28, 2012, 8:59:25 AM9/28/12
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:42:36 +0100, Brian Lawrence wrote:

> On BBC just now.
>
> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

no 2nd wdc for lewis then. I cant see Merc providing a wining car
although the 2014 engine change may throw up some surprises.



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> > But IANAL, of course.
>
> IANAL either. My son is, but if I asked him I might get an answer I
> wouldn't want to hear.

"Here's my invoice." ? =D

Brian Lawrence

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Sep 28, 2012, 9:38:35 AM9/28/12
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On 28/09/2012 13:59, Alister wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:42:36 +0100, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>
>> On BBC just now.
>>
>> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.
>
> no 2nd wdc for lewis then. I cant see Merc providing a wining car
> although the 2014 engine change may throw up some surprises.

If that happens at all - there are rumours that it might be abandoned.

Alister

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Sep 28, 2012, 10:33:44 AM9/28/12
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:38:35 +0100, Brian Lawrence wrote:

> On 28/09/2012 13:59, Alister wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:42:36 +0100, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> On BBC just now.
>>>
>>> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.
>>
>> no 2nd wdc for lewis then. I cant see Merc providing a wining car
>> although the 2014 engine change may throw up some surprises.
>
> If that happens at all - there are rumours that it might be abandoned.

Then lewis' career is f**ked.



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The aim of science is to seek the simplest explanations of complex
facts. Seek simplicity and distrust it.
-- Whitehead.

Noj

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Sep 28, 2012, 10:58:51 AM9/28/12
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Brian Lawrence wrote ...

>
> On 28/09/2012 13:59, Alister wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:42:36 +0100, Brian Lawrence wrote:
> >
> >> On BBC just now.
> >>
> >> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.
> >
> > no 2nd wdc for lewis then. I cant see Merc providing a wining car
> > although the 2014 engine change may throw up some surprises.
>
> If that happens at all - there are rumours that it might be abandoned.


Unlikely. Mercedes have just signed the new Concorde agreement along
with LH. I'm sure they'd have insisted the new engine formula was going
ahead. Mercedes and Ferrari have already spent a fortune designing the
6 cylinder, 1 exhaust pipe, engines.


Dan the Man

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Sep 28, 2012, 12:25:35 PM9/28/12
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If Ross Brawn can catch lightning in a bottle again, the way he did with Honda's leftovers, LH might be golden. But I'll have to see it before I believe it.

Dan

Phil Carmody

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Sep 30, 2012, 11:14:26 AM9/30/12
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larkim <matthew...@gmail.com> writes:
> Super smooth JB plus tyre saver extraordinaire Perez at McLaren. Sounds ideal from an engineering perspective to me!

Exactly. I think Perez is the ideal candidate for that seat. I'm more
worried about Macca reliability letting *him* down!

Phil
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build

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Sep 30, 2012, 11:28:23 AM9/30/12
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I wonder which teams are the most reliable over ... say the last five years?

Geoff May

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Sep 30, 2012, 11:39:05 AM9/30/12
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On 30/09/2012 16:28, build wrote:
> [snipped]
>
> I wonder which teams are the most reliable over ... say the last five years?

Constructor's Championships would be the best indication of most
reliable, I would think.

Excluding this year, then we have the WCC winners as:
2007 Ferrari
2008 Ferrari
2009 Brawn
2010 Red Bull
2011 Red Bull

Cheers

Geoff


Zeppo Marx

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Sep 30, 2012, 2:23:45 PM9/30/12
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On 30.09.12 17:14, Phil Carmody wrote:
> larkim <matthew...@gmail.com> writes:
>> Super smooth JB plus tyre saver extraordinaire Perez at McLaren. Sounds ideal from an engineering perspective to me!
>
> Exactly. I think Perez is the ideal candidate for that seat. I'm more
> worried about Macca reliability letting *him* down!
>
> Phil
>
Well, I would say, Macca has an extraordinary reason to be motivated
up to max. It's like when this gorgeous girl you are in love with gives
you a cold shoulder. And you start to overperform in all things just to
show her what she is missing, only by choosing this ape from the
football team over you. :)

Brian Lawrence

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Sep 30, 2012, 4:45:35 PM9/30/12
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On 30/09/2012 16:28, build wrote:
Well the usual method of gauging reliability is to express race finishes
as a percentage of race starts. Crude but usually effective.

Since the start of 2009 there have been 87 GPs, which for a 2-car team
is 174 possible starts.

Team Str Fin NF
=================================
Ferrari 173 157 16 90.75%
Red Bull 174 153 21 87.93%
McLaren 174 149 25 85.63%
Toyota 69 58 11 84.06% [2008-09 only]
Mercedes 174 146 28 83.91% [Honda 2008, Brawn 2009]
Williams 174 145 29 83.33%
Sauber 172 138 34 80.23%
Lotus 174 136 38 78.16% [Renault 2008-11]
Force India 174 135 39 77.59%
Caterham 102 78 24 76.47% [Lotus 2010-11]
Toro Rosso 174 131 43 75.29%
Marussia 100 75 25 75.00% [Virgin 2010-11]
HRT 100 72 28 72.00%
Super Aguri 8 5 3 62.50% [early 2008 only]

Some uneven numbers:

Renault 2008 Alonso 3, Piquet 9
Toyota 2008 Trulli 4, Glock/Kobayashi 0
Mercedes 2012 Schumacher 7, Rosberg 0
Lotus 2012 Grosjean 5, Räikkönen 0

Toro Rosso were poor in 2008 (Bourdais/Vettel), worse in 2009
(Bourdais-Alguersuari/Buemi), but better since then.

Force India were very poor in 2008 (Sutil/Fisi. only 50%), poor
again in 2010 (Sutil/Liuzzi), but better in the other years.

Honda/Brawn/Mercedes have shown some differences:

2008 Honda 36 28 8 77.28%
2009 Brawn 34 32 2 94.12%
2010- Mercedes 104 86 18 82.69%

14 of Mercs' 18 DNFs were by Schumacher, only 4 by Rosberg.

Noj

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Sep 30, 2012, 5:16:37 PM9/30/12
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Brian Lawrence wrote ...
The list should be aligned to failure rate

McLaren 174 149 25 = 14.27% Failure not 85.63% success

Although - and I'm not setting you more homework, Brian - when Groswank
had his mad minute at Spa and wrecked 5 cars, none of them had
reliability problems. So crashes, caused by driver fuckwittery etc
should be removed to present a more accurate result.



Brian Lawrence

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Oct 1, 2012, 5:57:19 AM10/1/12
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Ideally you would want to remove driver-induced retirements, whether
self-inflicted or not. However, logically, each team would have a
roughly equal number, especially over a longer period. I recall some
stats posted here about 10 years ago, which calculated how many ACS
retirements (Accident-Collision-Spin) each driver had in their career.
Researched by Alan Jones (not that one), it was very interesting.

Noj

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Oct 1, 2012, 6:14:38 AM10/1/12
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Brian Lawrence wrote ...


>
> Ideally you would want to remove driver-induced retirements, whether
> self-inflicted or not. However, logically, each team would have a
> roughly equal number, especially over a longer period. I recall some
> stats posted here about 10 years ago, which calculated how many ACS
> retirements (Accident-Collision-Spin) each driver had in their career.
> Researched by Alan Jones (not that one), it was very interesting.


Over the long term perhaps. I reckon the Williams and Lotus figures
would be a bit skewed this year.

Still. McLaren are roughly 5% less reliable than their major
competition. Not good is it.


Bigbird

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Oct 1, 2012, 6:58:48 AM10/1/12
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In recent years almost as many cars retire from accidents as from
euipment failure, pretty much even stevens this year and last. In such
a small sample does that make them statistically insignificant.

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