Japan Driver Of The Day

[build]

I didn't have live timing so I might have missed some good drives.

I'll give it to two drivers, Massa and Kobayashi.

Mention to Button, Ricciardo and also Vettel for being so irresponsible.

I prob missed a few.

beers,

[Noj]

build wrote ...


> I prob missed a few beers,



Unlikely

[build]

I missed Heikki, good drive again.

[build]

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:48:01 PM UTC+10, Noj wrote:
> build wrote ...

> > <snip stupid edit>
> Unlikely

Bird put the bottle down.

[Bigbird]

Your dishonesty preceeds you.

There are no excuses.

Is your ego still struggling with the fact that so many posters on here
think you are a twat.

[Bigbird]

Some worthless shit shat wrote:

> I didn't have live timing so I might have missed some good drives.
>

Too drunk to focus on live timing obviously.

> I'll give it to two drivers, Massa and Kobayashi.
>

So you exclude the winner and give it to the next two on the podium.

> Mention to Button, Ricciardo and also Vettel for being so
> irresponsible.
>

What did Ricciardo do other than hold off MS at the end after a very
easy race?

> I prob missed a few.
>

Why exclude anyone. You clearly have no criteria for your choices other
than the leader board.

So Mickey doesn't get a mention because...

[Noj]

Bigbird wrote ...

Think ??

[Bobster]

That's altering quoted text. Which, I'm told, is enough to get your
account suspended in some quarters and is generally a very, very bad
thing on usenet and tantamount to lying.

Or was I misinformed?

[Bobster]

Massa.

[AC]

What if its done for comedy effect?

--
AC

[Bobster]

Noj is the guy who was screaming blue murder about nettiquette and
altering text and the suspending of accounts, not me.

It's a dodgy thing to have a rule about, because saying "thou shalt
not alter quoted text" rules out the old "fixed your typo for you". Or
what Noj has done here.

I guess he didn't think things through very carefully.

[AC]

Bobster wrote:
> On 7 Oct, 10:46, AC <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>> Bobster wrote:
>>> On 7 Oct, 09:48, Noj <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> build wrote ...
>>
>>>>> I prob missed a few beers,
>>
>>>> Unlikely
>>
>>> That's altering quoted text. Which, I'm told, is enough to get your
>>> account suspended in some quarters and is generally a very, very bad
>>> thing on usenet and tantamount to lying.
>>
>>> Or was I misinformed?
>>
>> What if its done for comedy effect?
>
> Noj is the guy who was screaming blue murder about nettiquette and
> altering text and the suspending of accounts,

Really? OK.

> not me.

Never said you did?

>
> It's a dodgy thing to have a rule about, because saying "thou shalt
> not alter quoted text" rules out the old "fixed your typo for you". Or
> what Noj has done here.

Yup

>
> I guess he didn't think things through very carefully.
>

Could have been more obvious.

--
AC

[AC]

Not really enthusiastic about giving it to any one, but...

I'd give *result* of the day to Massa, but the drive was a bit "meh".

"Driver" of the day to Kobayashi, because it was probably the most
positive result of the day. But losing 2nd to Massa was, er, annoying.

Found the whole race a bit boring TBH.

--
AC

[Noj]

AC wrote ...

Bobby the knob hasn't got a sense of humour.
Never has, never will.

Depressing innit.

[Noj]

AC wrote ...

> Found the whole race a bit boring TBH.

Ditto

[build]

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 6:58:36 PM UTC+10, AC wrote:
> Found the whole race a bit boring TBH.

> AC

Oh, c'mon. What the heck do you see is not boring? Great race on many levels. Perhaps F1 is not for you?

[Bobster]

I agree with AC and Noj, this one was a bit of a snoozefest compared
to what we've had in the season to date. There were, it's true, some
first lap shenanigans, but that's seldom enough to make a RACE
interesting. The most significant pass - Massa taking 2nd - occured in
the pits. It was like the good old days.

Of course, I'm not and F1 purist and expert like some are, but I'm
prepared to learn from an expert who has insights to offer.

[Ian Dalziel]

On 7 Oct 2012 08:15:47 GMT, "Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com>
wrote:

There was a motor race this morning - did you bother watching it?

--

Ian D

[Bigbird]

Yes...and that has what exactly to do with the above posts?

[Mike P]

No, it wasn't a great race on any level at all. It was boring. Almost
devoid of overtaking, and no incidents of note after the first couple of
corners apart from Perez's mistimed attempt at passing Hamilton.

--
Mike P

[Noj]

Mike P wrote ...

The drunk was playing "spot the track kits".
We all know how exciting that can be.

[Alister]

as the thread is "Driver of the day" a lot more than your petty &
persistent feud with build. We know you don't like him, possibly with
cause but jumping on every post to attack him is getting very old & it is
a shame that other posters are immature enough to join in.



--
We're only in it for the volume.
-- Black Sabbath

[AC]

"What the heck do you see is not boring?" What does that even mean?

"Great" race. Really? "Great"? What are you, a tabloid? Go on then,
explain how this compares to previous great races.

F1 not for me? LOL. Like alcohol is not for you?

1 contender out
1 contender struggling
1 contender taken out and not even able to do a glory run
No strategy dice
No tyre dice
No weather to spice it up
DRS not even faking it up

There was a mildly interesting start, a wise bit of strategy for Massa,
a few fun over takes and a clearly hopeless run at the end for Button,
for *3rd*.

But I am here to entertain a case for this being a "great" race.

--
AC

[Bigbird]

Alister wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:52:58 +0000, Bigbird wrote:
>
> > Ian Dalziel wrote:
> >
> >> On 7 Oct 2012 08:15:47 GMT, "Bigbird"
> <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > build wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:48:01 PM UTC+10, Noj wrote:
> >> >> > build wrote ...
> >> >>
> >> >> > > <snip stupid edit>
> >> >> > Unlikely
> >> >>
> >> >> Bird put the bottle down.
> >> >
> >> > Your dishonesty preceeds you.
> >> >
> >> > There are no excuses.
> >> >
> >> > Is your ego still struggling with the fact that so many posters
> on >> > here think you are a twat.
> >>
> >> There was a motor race this morning - did you bother watching it?
> >
> > Yes...and that has what exactly to do with the above posts?
>
> as the thread is "Driver of the day" a lot more than your petty &
> persistent feud with build.

That's my point. Look at the thread title.

> We know you don't like him, possibly
> with cause but jumping on every post to attack him is getting very
> old & it is a shame that other posters are immature enough to join in.

I know you are a fuckwit but pause long enough to realise that he is
the one that chose to have a pop at me for no reason.

No, don't apologise on either count. Then I wouldn't get to point out
what an immature hypocrite you are.

YES you just realised that YOU are the poster that is immature enough
to join in.

[Alister]

No doubt I have joined the ranks of those you will attack at every
opportunity.
I will not engage in a battle of wits as it is unfair to pick on an
unarmed man.




--
Down with categorical imperative!

[Sir Tim]

I don't see how anyone with the slightest enthusiasm for F1 could call
this a "great race". It was, at best, "average" IMO. Had it not been
held at one of the finest circuits in the world and had it not included
some stunning in-car shots it would have been downright dull - unless
all you are interesting in is keeping lap charts of course.

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[Ian Dalziel]

On 7 Oct 2012 11:52:58 GMT, "Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com>
wrote:

I think you have that the wrong way round.

Think about it.

--

Ian D

[Mower Man]

It *was* downright dull. No more to be said.

--
Chris

'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it
every six months.'

(Oscar Wilde.)

[Bigbird]

Ian Dalziel wrote:

> On 7 Oct 2012 11:52:58 GMT, "Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ian Dalziel wrote:
> >
> >> On 7 Oct 2012 08:15:47 GMT, "Bigbird"
> <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > build wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sunday, October 7, 2012 5:48:01 PM UTC+10, Noj wrote:
> >> >> > build wrote ...
> >> >>
> >> >> > > <snip stupid edit>
> >> >> > Unlikely
> >> >>
> >> >> Bird put the bottle down.
> >> >
> >> > Your dishonesty preceeds you.
> >> >
> >> > There are no excuses.
> >> >
> >> > Is your ego still struggling with the fact that so many posters
> on >> > here think you are a twat.
> >>
> >> There was a motor race this morning - did you bother watching it?
> >
> > Yes...and that has what exactly to do with the above posts?
>
> I think you have that the wrong way round.
>
> Think about it.

If I were to think about it I might wonder why you are taking more
interest in a topic entitled "same old build being a twat" rather than
discussing the race in a more appropriate thread.

I may also wonder why when I answered your question you failed to
answer mine.

On balance I'd rather not think about it.

[Bigbird]

You are simply a hypocrite. You attacked me. You made false statements
which you don't have the maturity to admit to.

You seem to be looking for attention but if you keep your inane and
incorrect comments to yourself I have no interest in your nonsensical
opinion whatsoever.

> I will not engage in a battle of wits as it is unfair to pick on an
> unarmed man.

So just a cowardly hit and run then.

You are build AICM5UKP

[Bigbird]

I gather from other posts that build usually has his head stuck in the
live timing screen. Perhaps, not having it for this race, he was able
to sit back, relax and simply enjoy watching the race for a change.

Fantastic track kits. ;)

[Noj]

Bigbird wrote ...


>
> Fantastic track kits. ;)


I hear the FIA are bring in some new laws regarding track kits.
Interesting times ahead.

[News]

FIA intend to regulate what grid bimbos wear?

[Noj]

News wrote ...

Yup. They've all got to go commando.

[News]

Hello Kitty is too hipster?

[Ian Dalziel]

Will there be an FIA tool for scrutineering?

--

Ian D

[Noj]

Ian Dalziel wrote ...

> >> >> Fantastic track kits. ;)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I hear the FIA are bring in some new laws regarding track kits.
> >> > Interesting times ahead.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> FIA intend to regulate what grid bimbos wear?
> >
> >
> >Yup. They've all got to go commando.
> >
>
> Will there be an FIA tool for scrutineering?

Obviously
http://tinyurl.com/9rzu54o

[Noj]

News wrote ...

> >>>> Fantastic track kits. ;)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I hear the FIA are bring in some new laws regarding track kits.
> >>> Interesting times ahead.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> FIA intend to regulate what grid bimbos wear?
> >
> >
> > Yup. They've all got to go commando.
> >
> >
>
>
> Hello Kitty is too hipster?

Only if you're into cartoon pussies

[Bigbird]

Given some of the things they have let through they have always had a
tool for the job.

[Andrew Smallshaw]

On 2012-10-07, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I didn't have live timing so I might have missed some good drives.
>
> I'll give it to two drivers, Massa and Kobayashi.
>
> Mention to Button, Ricciardo and also Vettel for being so irresponsible.

Webber. He was running dead last at the start of the second lap
through no fault of his own and finished by clawing back a couple
of points to take away from the weekend. All the more impressive
considering how widely spaced out the field became in a relatively
short time.

The net result (two points) is not impressive and is surely not
what he hoped for or expected, but a solid afternoon's work to
recover _something_ from the weekend.

--
Andrew Smallshaw
and...@sdf.lonestar.org

[John Briggs]

It's not usually what we mean by Driver of the Day. We usually expect it
to be the driver who by his own efforts has achieved the greatest reward
for himself or his team. That's really got to be someone on the podium.

But if no-one stands out, especially in a dull race, why not just say
that there wasn't one?
--
John Briggs

[Noj]

John Briggs wrote ...

>
> On 08/10/2012 19:36, Andrew Smallshaw wrote:
> > On 2012-10-07, build<bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I didn't have live timing so I might have missed some good drives.
> >>
> >> I'll give it to two drivers, Massa and Kobayashi.
> >>
> >> Mention to Button, Ricciardo and also Vettel for being so irresponsible.
> >
> > Webber. He was running dead last at the start of the second lap
> > through no fault of his own and finished by clawing back a couple
> > of points to take away from the weekend. All the more impressive
> > considering how widely spaced out the field became in a relatively
> > short time.
> >
> > The net result (two points) is not impressive and is surely not
> > what he hoped for or expected, but a solid afternoon's work to
> > recover _something_ from the weekend.
>
> It's not usually what we mean by Driver of the Day. We usually expect it
> to be the driver who by his own efforts has achieved the greatest reward
> for himself or his team. That's really got to be someone on the podium.

Really?
You got a url for these *rules* ?

[Andrew Smallshaw]

On 2012-10-08, John Briggs <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On 08/10/2012 19:36, Andrew Smallshaw wrote:
>>

>> Webber...

>
> It's not usually what we mean by Driver of the Day. We usually expect it
> to be the driver who by his own efforts has achieved the greatest reward
> for himself or his team. That's really got to be someone on the podium.

That's precisely my point: Webber had the hand he was dealt and he
played it better than he could have been expected to. At the end
of the safety car he was not at the back of the pack, he was still
catching it up.

It would have been quite easy to become despondent, write off the
event and cruise around to finish in 15th or 16th. He didn't. He
clawed back two points from what appeared at that point to be a
complete loss. That doesn't get the glory and adulation of the
podium places, but it is just as much a measure of driver skill,
effort and composure.

--
Andrew Smallshaw
and...@sdf.lonestar.org

[Bigbird]

John Briggs wrote:

> On 08/10/2012 19:36, Andrew Smallshaw wrote:
> >On 2012-10-07, build<bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I didn't have live timing so I might have missed some good drives.
> > >
> > > I'll give it to two drivers, Massa and Kobayashi.
> > >
> > > Mention to Button, Ricciardo and also Vettel for being so
> > > irresponsible.
> >
> > Webber. He was running dead last at the start of the second lap
> > through no fault of his own and finished by clawing back a couple
> > of points to take away from the weekend. All the more impressive
> > considering how widely spaced out the field became in a relatively
> > short time.
> >
> > The net result (two points) is not impressive and is surely not
> > what he hoped for or expected, but a solid afternoon's work to

> > recover something from the weekend.

>
> It's not usually what we mean by Driver of the Day. We usually expect
> it to be the driver who by his own efforts has achieved the greatest
> reward for himself or his team. That's really got to be someone on
> the podium.
>

No, not really.

[John Briggs]

It's not a hard-and-fast rule, but it's a good guide. Otherwise you get
someone suggesting Webber for getting two points.

>> But if no-one stands out, especially in a dull race, why not just say
>> that there wasn't one?

Note this point.
--
John Briggs

[Noj]

John Briggs wrote ...

> >>
> >> It's not usually what we mean by Driver of the Day. We usually expect
> >> it to be the driver who by his own efforts has achieved the greatest
> >> reward for himself or his team. That's really got to be someone on
> >> the podium.
> >
> > No, not really.
>
> It's not a hard-and-fast rule, but it's a good guide. Otherwise you get
> someone suggesting Webber for getting two points.

People can suggest whoever they want. You might have noticed there
isn't a prize and frequently there isn't an agreement as to which driver
drove the best.

[Mower Man]

It could just as well be awarded to someone who (horror of horrors)
didn't even finish...?

Well, why not? There are plenty of examples of worthy potential
recipients in the past.

[Bigbird]

John Briggs wrote:

> On 08/10/2012 20:58, Bigbird wrote:
> > John Briggs wrote:
> >
> > > On 08/10/2012 19:36, Andrew Smallshaw wrote:
> >>>On 2012-10-07, build<bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I didn't have live timing so I might have missed some good
> > > > > drives.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll give it to two drivers, Massa and Kobayashi.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mention to Button, Ricciardo and also Vettel for being so
> > > > > irresponsible.
> > > >
> > > > Webber. He was running dead last at the start of the second lap
> > > > through no fault of his own and finished by clawing back a
> > > > couple of points to take away from the weekend. All the more
> > > > impressive considering how widely spaced out the field became
> > > > in a relatively short time.
> > > >
> > > > The net result (two points) is not impressive and is surely not
> > > > what he hoped for or expected, but a solid afternoon's work to
> > > > recover something from the weekend.
> > >
> > > It's not usually what we mean by Driver of the Day. We usually
> > > expect it to be the driver who by his own efforts has achieved
> > > the greatest reward for himself or his team. That's really got to
> > > be someone on the podium.
> >
> > No, not really.
>
> It's not a hard-and-fast rule, but it's a good guide.

No, not really. It is often what we end up with but that you are
putting the cart before the horse.

> Otherwise you
> get someone suggesting Webber for getting two points.
>
> > > But if no-one stands out, especially in a dull race, why not just
> > > say that there wasn't one?
>
> Note this point.

Often, if no-one stands out, it is probably because you didn't notice
not because a driver did not deserve to be noticed.

[Andrew Smallshaw]

On 2012-10-08, John Briggs <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Look at the timings. Who was the fastest guy on track between
starting the second lap and taking the chequered flag after completing
full race distance? Was it Vettel, who had clear air in front of
him and blue flags to assist him when he didn't, or was it Webber
who was fighting for position the whole race? The answer might
surprise you... it was Webber by more than a second.

If you want to look at the results to determine the best driver,
look at the results themselves. If you want to judge driver skill
and attempt to ignore lucky breaks or differentials in the cars,
you ignore the results. Choosing a half-way house somewhere
inbetween that selectively ignores both factors in turn essentially
results in a meaningless beauty contest.

--
Andrew Smallshaw
and...@sdf.lonestar.org

[Bigbird]

If you took your own advice you would ignore lap 2 when the SC was out.

So if we "selectively ignore" the first two laps what do we have.

Webber loses 27 seconds to Vettel. What does that tell you?
Not a lot really as Vettel was so comfortable that he didn't have to
push and didn't. He demonstrated that by going 1.4 seconds quicker on
the second to last lap.