Lest We Forget

[build]

"Lest We Forget", three words every Aussie and Kiwi grows up with and
understands.

Another is the acronym "ANZAC" which is "Australian and New Zealand
Army Corps".

If you are not familiar with these you may want to try a google.

Come in spinner.

[build]

Ode of Remembrance:

They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
Straight of limb, true of eyes, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.

[Timmy]

build wrote ...

FFS

[build]

There is a hole waiting for you.

[Atheist Chaplain]

"Timmy" <Ti...@to.ms> wrote in message
news:MPG.2a01b9f43...@news.aioe.org...

ignorant prick
FFS indeed.....

--
Prayer, [noun] - the act or practice of telling God that his infallible plan
sucks and that you demand changes ASAP

[Atheist Chaplain]

"build" <bui...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d052e236-e636-47c0...@of2g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

don't forget the rest of it :-)

With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.

Solemn the drums thrill: Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres.
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.

They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.

They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning

We will remember them.

They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables at home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.

But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;

As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain,
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.

Laurence Binyon (1869-1943)

BTW we had the biggest dawn service here that I have ever seen, lots of
young people, teens etc, was very heart warming to see.

[Bigbird]

Hypocrisy and ignorance are rife.

[build]

Go on ...

[AC]

Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>
> "Timmy" <Ti...@to.ms> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2a01b9f43...@news.aioe.org...
>> build wrote ...
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 4:44 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > "Lest We Forget", three words every Aussie and Kiwi grows up with and
>>> > understands.
>>> >
>>> > Another is the acronym "ANZAC" which is "Australian and New Zealand
>>> > Army Corps".
>>> >
>>> > If you are not familiar with these you may want to try a google.
>>> >
>>> > Come in spinner.
>>>
>>> Ode of Remembrance:
>>>
>>> They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
>>> Straight of limb, true of eyes, steady and aglow.
>>> They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
>>> They fell with their faces to the foe.
>>>
>>> They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
>>> Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
>>> At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
>>> We will remember them.
>>
>>
>> FFS
>>
>
> ignorant prick
> FFS indeed.....
>

Er, looks like classic pissed bloke to me. Sudden patriotism followed by
singing songs. Yup, classic pissed.

Love you man.

--
AC

[Timmy]

Atheist Chaplain wrote ...


>
> ignorant prick
> FFS indeed.....


We have a Remberance Day in the UK - we don't make a fucking fuss about
it like the drunk.

[forty]

Glad to see Americans aren't the only ones

--
forty

Usenet: Serious Business

[Bigbird]

Let's just say there is a place and a time and pissed up idiots are
very poor at judging either.

[AC]

Yeah, good point. We Brits get pissed, fight, love our mates, sing about
little goblins, then racially abuse the nice Indians serving curry with
yet more beer to wash it down. Go figure.

--
AC

[build]

I'm surprised by the bad taste and lack of respect of some replies,
also I did think better of some.

I'm reasonably confident that very few Aussies or Kiwi's would
disrespect British war veterans.

[alister]

Perhaps we should!

Build may annoy some of you all the time an all of you some of the time
but there was no call for the disrespect to ANZAC veterans.




--
They collapsed ... like nuns in the street ... they had no teen
appeal!

[Mark]

build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm surprised by the bad taste and lack of respect of some replies,
> also I did think better of some.

Agreed.

> I'm reasonably confident that very few Aussies or Kiwi's would
> disrespect British war veterans.

Less sure, sadly. I think respect (or lack) can be found in all groups.

(But - and there's always a but with me ;-) - I'm not sure it needed two
separate posts. I also think it was a little harping; suggesting that
everyone should know the significance without actually telling them -
it *is* an international newsgroup and I'm sure there are plenty of
people who are unaware of the many and varied days of rememberance.)

That said, I have huge respect for ANZAC Day and for what it represents.

Personally, I think the most moving tributes I've ever read is the one
(I'm sure you know it) given by Kemal Atatürk in memory of the ANZACs:

"Those heroes that shed their blood
And lost their lives...
You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country.
Therefore rest in peace.
There is no difference between the Johnnies
And the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side,
Here in this country of ours.
You, the mothers,
Who sent their sons from far away countries...
Wipe away your tears.
Your sons are now lying in our bosom
And are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land, they have
Become our sons as well."

[Timmy]

alister wrote ...

>
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:33:35 +0100, Timmy wrote:
>
> > Atheist Chaplain wrote ...
> >
> >
> >
> >> ignorant prick FFS indeed.....
> >
> >
> > We have a Remberance Day in the UK - we don't make a fucking fuss about
> > it like the drunk.
>
> Perhaps we should!
>
> Build may annoy some of you all the time an all of you some of the time
> but there was no call for the disrespect to ANZAC veterans.

There are many Australian newsgroups - did the drunk post to any of
them?

[build]

Yeah.
That is read at our ANZAC services.

By making that speech it has become a tribute to the Turks. The
respect of each other from both sides in that battle is a hallmark.
There is a lesson in there somewhere.

beers,

[AC]

Got to be honest, I don't know jack all about it. I don't mean to be
flippant, its just not some thing I actively care about, or had taught /
rammed down my throat as school, or what ever. Im just more about moving
forward with the lessons learnt. (Which doesn't happen.) Hats off to
those who did their bit back then, and now even, but Im not prepared to
get all dewy eyed and soulful about it. Equally, Im not about to piss
all over those to whom it means something. If it gets as far a stupid
patriotism, bordering racism, Im gone. (Not saying that happened here,
just being sort of complete, ish)

--
AC

[AC]

alister wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:33:35 +0100, Timmy wrote:
>
>> Atheist Chaplain wrote ...
>>
>>
>>
>>> ignorant prick FFS indeed.....
>>
>>
>> We have a Remberance Day in the UK - we don't make a fucking fuss about
>> it like the drunk.
>
> Perhaps we should!
>
> Build may annoy some of you all the time an all of you some of the time
> but there was no call for the disrespect to ANZAC veterans.
>
>
>
>

Might have missed something, but it looked like the disrespect was to
towards Build, not the vets.

--
AC

[Frank Adam]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:43:08 +1000, "Atheist Chaplain" <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:

>>
>> Ode of Remembrance:
>>
>> They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
>> Straight of limb, true of eyes, steady and aglow.
>> They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
>> They fell with their faces to the foe.
>>
>> They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
>> Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
>> At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
>> We will remember them.
>>
>
>
>don't forget the rest of it :-)
>
>With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
>England mourns for her dead across the sea.
>

You lost me right there... WTF is this Ms England ? ;-)

--

Regards, Frank

[Bigbird]

alister wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:33:35 +0100, Timmy wrote:
>
> > Atheist Chaplain wrote ...
> >
> >
> >
> >> ignorant prick FFS indeed.....
> >
> >
> > We have a Remberance Day in the UK - we don't make a fucking fuss
> > about it like the drunk.
>
> Perhaps we should!
>
> Build may annoy some of you all the time an all of you some of the
> time but there was no call for the disrespect to ANZAC veterans.

Who is disrespecting the vets, other than possibly build by using ANZAC
day to draw attention to himself.

[Bigbird]

You are a foul and dishonourable person to try to turn what is clearly
annoyance at your attempts at attention getting toward ANZAC day.

Clearly plenty have no respect for you, your ignorance and your
hypocrisy.

I would give you some advice as to how to avoid such responses to your
posts but you have heard it all before, choose to ignore it and will
use any subject as a way to draw attention to yourself.

Using ANZAC day as a way to troll the group is pretty disrespectful in
anyone's book.

[Atheist Chaplain]

"AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message news:NDUlr.257748$sE1.2...@fx22.am4...

Not familiar with ANZAC day then I guess, every Aussie gets pissed on ANZAC
day, even the toddlers ;-)

[Atheist Chaplain]

"Timmy" <Ti...@to.ms> wrote in message

news:MPG.2a0229abc...@news.aioe.org...

you assume he is drunk, I assume you're an idiot.

[Atheist Chaplain]

"Frank Adam" <fa...@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:jj4hp75ia2ph676jn...@4ax.com...

ANZAC day would never happen if it were not for the British Generals who
willingly sent the ANZAC troops (part of the British Empires Army at that
stage) to be slaughtered at the Beaches of Gallipoli that day, so Mother
England mourning for her dead across the sea is in reference to that I
guess.

[Atheist Chaplain]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9vq3gs...@mid.individual.net...

google to hard for you to use ??

[Timmy]

Atheist Chaplain wrote ...

>
> "Timmy" <Ti...@to.ms> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2a0229abc...@news.aioe.org...
> > Atheist Chaplain wrote ...
> >
> >
> >>
> >> ignorant prick
> >> FFS indeed.....
> >
> >
> > We have a Remberance Day in the UK - we don't make a fucking fuss about
> > it like the drunk.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> you assume he is drunk, I assume you're an idiot.

What did you just write ? Oh -

"...every Aussie gets pissed on ANZAC day, even the toddlers..."



A memorable day in the drunks like would be when he's sober.
But he'd soon drink to forget.

[Bobster]

On Apr 26, 11:53 am, "Atheist Chaplain" <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:

> ANZAC day would never happen if it were not for the British Generals who
> willingly sent the ANZAC troops (part of the British Empires Army at that
> stage) to be slaughtered at the Beaches of Gallipoli that day, so Mother
> England mourning for her dead across the sea is in reference to that I
> guess.

Over the entire campaign about twice as many British as ANZAC troops
were killed or injured.

Not that that diminishes the sacrifice made by the ANZACs, but we
shouldn't think that it was they and they alone who bore the brunt.

[Bigbird]

Atheist Chaplain wrote:

>
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9vq3gs...@mid.individual.net...
> > build wrote:
> >
> > > "Lest We Forget", three words every Aussie and Kiwi grows up with
> > > and understands.
> > >
> > > Another is the acronym "ANZAC" which is "Australian and New
> > > Zealand Army Corps".
> > >
> > > If you are not familiar with these you may want to try a google.
> > >
> > > Come in spinner.
> >
> > Hypocrisy and ignorance are rife.
>
> google to hard for you to use ??

To google what?

I don't know what you thought you read into my comment but you were
wrong.

[Bigbird]

Atheist Chaplain wrote:

>
> "Timmy" <Ti...@to.ms> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2a0229abc...@news.aioe.org...
> > Atheist Chaplain wrote ...
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ignorant prick
> > > FFS indeed.....
> >
> >
> > We have a Remberance Day in the UK - we don't make a fucking fuss
> > about it like the drunk.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> you assume he is drunk, I assume you're an idiot.

Hypocrisy and ignorance...of your own damn comments. It's not the 25th
what's your excuse today.

[Bigbird]

Why guess, you have google don't you, smartarse.

It was written by an Englishman as tribute to all sons of England who
fell.

Ignorance is rife.

[alister]

The original reply (from Timmy) was clear disrespect for the spirit of
Build's original post.

I don't believe that drawing attention to ANZAC day was in anyway
disrespectful, it is good to remind the rest of us that we were not the
only people involved in the conflicts (some seem to forget that more than
others).




--
Obviously your filters are throwing away mail from Randal. :-)
-- Larry Wall in <1997102219...@wall.org>

[Bigbird]

alister wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:20:25 +0000, Bigbird wrote:
>
> > alister wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:33:35 +0100, Timmy wrote:
> >>
> >> > Atheist Chaplain wrote ...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> ignorant prick FFS indeed.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We have a Remberance Day in the UK - we don't make a fucking fuss
> >> > about it like the drunk.
> >>
> >> Perhaps we should!
> >>
> >> Build may annoy some of you all the time an all of you some of the
> time >> but there was no call for the disrespect to ANZAC veterans.
> >
> > Who is disrespecting the vets, other than possibly build by using
> > ANZAC day to draw attention to himself.
>
> The original reply (from Timmy) was clear disrespect for the spirit
> of Build's original post.
>

build has the wonderful quality of pissing people off just by existing.
It has fuck all to do with disrespecting the memory of people who
fought and/or died in any war.

> I don't believe that drawing attention to ANZAC day was in anyway
> disrespectful, it is good to remind the rest of us that we were not
> the only people involved in the conflicts (some seem to forget that
> more than others).

It is the way he does things that is disrespectful.

One day he is complaining in a topic clearly marked as off topic about
that thread, not long after he is creating unmarked off-topic threads.
That is not an accident.

He is not trying to draw attention to ANZAC day he is trying to draw
attention to himself in both cases.

It's the same mentality that has him creating threads without any
content.

You may not see it but I know build to be a thoroughly dishonourable
person and take nothing he posts at face value.

Just my opinion but I understand when he gets responses which on the
face of it may seem unusual.

[Timmy]

Bigbird wrote ...

And having stirred the shit, the little cunt of a drunk has fucked off -
as per usual.

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bobster wrote:
> On Apr 26, 11:53 am, "Atheist Chaplain" <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:
>
>> ANZAC day would never happen if it were not for the British Generals
>> who willingly sent the ANZAC troops (part of the British Empires
>> Army at that stage) to be slaughtered at the Beaches of Gallipoli
>> that day, so Mother England mourning for her dead across the sea is
>> in reference to that I guess.
> Over the entire campaign about twice as many British as ANZAC troops
> were killed or injured.

Is that per head of population or sheer numbers Bob? (Seriously curious)

> Not that that diminishes the sacrifice made by the ANZACs, but we
> shouldn't think that it was they and they alone who bore the brunt.

Heh! I can assure you that nobody thinks that. Here in NZ we know that they
were mainly used as cannon-fodder in a greater war.... Also it's hard to
forget all of the pilots who served under New Zealander Air Chief Marshall
Keith Park (The Defender of London), commander of number 11 group RAF, of
whom it was said:

"If any one man won the Battle of Britain, he did. I do not believe it is
realised how much that one man, with his leadership, his calm judgement and
his skill, did to save, not only this country, but the world."
Lord Tedder, Chief of the Air Staff, February 1947.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)

[Frank Adam]

On 26 Apr 2012 20:11:42 GMT, "Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote:

>> The original reply (from Timmy) was clear disrespect for the spirit
>> of Build's original post.
>>
>
>build has the wonderful quality of pissing people off just by existing.
>It has fuck all to do with disrespecting the memory of people who
>fought and/or died in any war.
>
>> I don't believe that drawing attention to ANZAC day was in anyway
>> disrespectful, it is good to remind the rest of us that we were not
>> the only people involved in the conflicts (some seem to forget that
>> more than others).
>
>It is the way he does things that is disrespectful.
>
>One day he is complaining in a topic clearly marked as off topic about
>that thread, not long after he is creating unmarked off-topic threads.
>That is not an accident.
>
>He is not trying to draw attention to ANZAC day he is trying to draw
>attention to himself in both cases.
>
>It's the same mentality that has him creating threads without any
>content.
>
>You may not see it but I know build to be a thoroughly dishonourable
>person and take nothing he posts at face value.
>
>Just my opinion but I understand when he gets responses which on the
>face of it may seem unusual.
>

Whatever your opinion is, is your opinion. None the less, some things just
should be left alone or one may just look like more of a moron than the
accused.

It's a bit like if when you pay a visit to one of your parents grave site to
give respect and someone, who dislikes you, turns up and starts hackling you.
Any of my possible 'opinions' about you aside, guess who would get to know my
bad side.

It was very bad form boys. I'm actually surprised and disappointed. :/

--

Regards, Frank

[Bobster]

On Apr 27, 3:31 am, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bobster wrote:
>
> > On Apr 26, 11:53 am, "Atheist Chaplain" <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:
>
> >> ANZAC day would never happen if it were not for the British Generals
> >> who willingly sent the ANZAC troops (part of the British Empires
> >> Army at that stage) to be slaughtered at the Beaches of Gallipoli
> >> that day, so Mother England mourning for her dead across the sea is
> >> in reference to that I guess.
> > Over the entire campaign about twice as many British as ANZAC troops
> > were killed or injured.
>
> Is that per head of population or sheer numbers Bob? (Seriously curious)

Sheer numbers. And deaths on the Turkish side were even higher. As you
could easily verify.

And you know, this is getting a bit distasteful, it's getting to be
about finger pointing and chest thumping more than remembrance (which
I think was Build's original motivation). The Brits used as cannon
fodder so that their own wouldn't have to die. Think about what an
accusation that is.

Then think if it's true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties
Give a breakdown of WW 1 deaths as a percentage of population.
Oz: 1.38%
Nz: 1.64%
UK: 2.19%
So there you have it.

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bobster wrote:
> On Apr 27, 3:31 am, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bobster wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 26, 11:53 am, "Atheist Chaplain" <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:
>>
>>>> ANZAC day would never happen if it were not for the British
>>>> Generals who willingly sent the ANZAC troops (part of the British
>>>> Empires Army at that stage) to be slaughtered at the Beaches of
>>>> Gallipoli that day, so Mother England mourning for her dead across
>>>> the sea is in reference to that I guess.
>>> Over the entire campaign about twice as many British as ANZAC troops
>>> were killed or injured.
>>
>> Is that per head of population or sheer numbers Bob? (Seriously
>> curious)
> Sheer numbers. And deaths on the Turkish side were even higher. As you
> could easily verify.
>
> And you know, this is getting a bit distasteful, it's getting to be
> about finger pointing and chest thumping more than remembrance (which
> I think was Build's original motivation). The Brits used as cannon
> fodder so that their own wouldn't have to die. Think about what an
> accusation that is.

It's not mine, I'm merely repeating it. I was told it many years ago (before
we had teh intarwebs for me to verify it or otherwise) by an old soldier,
just after a dawn ceremony on ANZAC day.

> Then think if it's true.

That's what I'm doing now.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties
> Give a breakdown of WW 1 deaths as a percentage of population.
> Oz: 1.38%
> Nz: 1.64%
> UK: 2.19%
> So there you have it.

Damn! The column that's missing, that I'd like to see, is deaths as a
percentage of those who fought. According to afore-mentioned old soldier far
fewer NZ soldiers 'came home' than any of the other "allies". Perhaps he was
talking British colonies, in which case, looking at that page, it seems he
may have been right.

Broke as I am, I made my donation and got a plastic poppy[*] even though I
didn't go out again after that to be able to wear it.

[*] Bit of an uproar here this year, seems that, for the first time the
majority of the plastic poppies were made in China as they're far cheaper
than the NZ-made ones. A lot of people didn't like that.

[Bigbird]

Hardly. builds motives are always questionable and Timmy's response was
unwise but I find builds attempts to turn what was clearly a criticism
of him making an unmarked off topic post into deliberate disrepect for
ANZACS as thoroughly dishonourable.

To your analogy, perhaps if you, known to be a egotistical self
publicising drama queen, take your parents ashes into work and announce
a minutes silence...where's the focus and disrespect?

[Bobster]

On Apr 27, 9:54 am, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bobster wrote:

> > And you know, this is getting a bit distasteful, it's getting to be
> > about finger pointing and chest thumping more than remembrance (which
> > I think was Build's original motivation). The Brits used as cannon
> > fodder so that their own wouldn't have to die. Think about what an
> > accusation that is.
>
> It's not mine, I'm merely repeating it. I was told it many years ago (before
> we had teh intarwebs for me to verify it or otherwise) by an old soldier,
> just after a dawn ceremony on ANZAC day.
>
> > Then think if it's true.
>
> That's what I'm doing now.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties
> > Give a breakdown of WW 1 deaths as a percentage of population.
> > Oz: 1.38%
> > Nz: 1.64%
> > UK: 2.19%
> > So there you have it.
>
> Damn! The column that's missing, that I'd like to see, is deaths as a
> percentage of those who fought. According to afore-mentioned old soldier far
> fewer NZ soldiers 'came home' than any of the other "allies". Perhaps he was
> talking British colonies, in which case, looking at that page, it seems he
> may have been right.

This bitter old timer of yours was a busy bloke, keeping count of all
those comings and goings so that he could prove which country took the
biggest pasting. But then you're just repeating what you heard, aren't
you?

Many commonwealth member nations made sacrifices in the two world
wars. So, lest we forget, did a lot of men on the other side (Turkish
deaths at Galliopoli exceeded those of the combined British/ANZAC
force). I see nothing wrong with remembering your country's dead or
all the dead, but going on to cast aspersions against other countries
involved is going to do nothing to heal wounds but may keep a couple
of sores festering. Which is not what I heard and am just repeating
without giving any thought to it, it's what I said and what I believe.

[build]

Congratulation All,

You have turned a simple tribute into a point scoring, chest beating
diatribe.

You are pathetic. It's all yours, go for it.

[Atheist Chaplain]

"Bobster" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0d693fcf-64b1-4d96...@l18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...

Furthest thing from my thoughts, the British soldiers I have met in my life
have been just as warmly thanked as any ANZAC :-)
A family friend was a Spitfire pilot during the Battle of Britain, he never
had to put his hand in his pocket for a drink on ANZAC day anywhere in
Australia :-)
At the end of the day ANZAC day is about the Australian and New Zealand
troops, we also remember Armistice day here and thank ALL those who have
laid down their lives in defence of our freedom. If have offended because
you think I belittle the British sacrifice then I apologise, that was never
my intent.

[Atheist Chaplain]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:9vt6o8...@mid.individual.net...

surely is, Maybe you don't realise that it is the ode that is said at EVERY
ANZAC ceremony across Australia and New Zealand. Who cares who said it, the
simple fact that seems to elude you is that it is pertinent, as during the
Turkish campaign the ANZACS were part of the British Empires armed forces
and therefore by default under the care of "Mother England" A mother who
mourns her dead, be they across the sea or nestled in the bosom of the
mother country.
Don't get me wrong, the British Generals of the time sent anyone and
everyone over the top as that was all they knew, it took time for the old
guard to either leave or better tacticians to make headway before that style
of warfare evolved to suit the conditions better.

[Atheist Chaplain]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:9vt688...@mid.individual.net...

> Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:9vq3gs...@mid.individual.net...
>> > build wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Lest We Forget", three words every Aussie and Kiwi grows up with
>> > > and understands.
>> > >
>> > > Another is the acronym "ANZAC" which is "Australian and New
>> > > Zealand Army Corps".
>> > >
>> > > If you are not familiar with these you may want to try a google.
>> > >
>> > > Come in spinner.
>> >
>> > Hypocrisy and ignorance are rife.
>>
>> google to hard for you to use ??
>
> To google what?
>

maybe you could start with the meaning of hypocrisy and then move on to
ignorance, I would then study Irony really hard, maybe then you might get
it.

> I don't know what you thought you read into my comment but you were
> wrong.

Lets see, calling someone a hypocrite for making a simple post in the vein
of ANZAC day when a simple Google would have told you that this is a day
that is held in the highest regard by the vast majority of Australians.
The Ignorance part took a while, but then I realised you were being self
deprecating, we understand that in Australia.

[Atheist Chaplain]

"Timmy" <Ti...@to.ms> wrote in message

news:MPG.2a0278235...@news.aioe.org...
> alister wrote ...

>
>>
>> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:33:35 +0100, Timmy wrote:
>>
>> > Atheist Chaplain wrote ...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> ignorant prick FFS indeed.....
>> >
>> >
>> > We have a Remberance Day in the UK - we don't make a fucking fuss about
>> > it like the drunk.
>>
>> Perhaps we should!
>>
>> Build may annoy some of you all the time an all of you some of the time
>> but there was no call for the disrespect to ANZAC veterans.
>
>

> There are many Australian newsgroups - did the drunk post to any of
> them?
>
>

So your saying that an international group is not the place for local
content, then why not fuck off to rec.autos.sport.f1.spain to talk about the
Spanish GP, or maybe r.a.s.f1.germany to talk about the German GP ??
Its only logical.
Maybe he wanted to share here, or is the idea of an international news group
to hard for you to grasp.

[Atheist Chaplain]

"alister" <aliste...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:zSfmr.129558$_Q.5...@fx01.am4...

My sister in law is Russian and according to the history she was taught, the
Australians were never in WW2, she got quite a surprise when she was taken
the the Australian War Memorial in Canberra for the first time.

[Bigbird]

You can adopt Rule Britannia but that won't make it about Australia.

[Bigbird]

Like I said WRONG!

You are continuing in your ignorance.

[forty]

On 4/26/12 1:47 PM, alister wrote:

>
> The original reply (from Timmy) was clear disrespect for the spirit of
> Build's original post.

> <snip>
>

OMFGROFLCOPTER.jpg

--
forty

Usenet: Serious Business

[Bobster]

On Apr 27, 1:31 pm, "Atheist Chaplain" <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:
> "Timmy" <Ti...@to.ms> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.2a0278235...@news.aioe.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > alister wrote ...
>
> >> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:33:35 +0100, Timmy wrote:
>
> >> > Atheist Chaplain wrote ...
>
> >> >> ignorant prick FFS indeed.....
>
> >> > We have a Remberance Day in the UK - we don't make a fucking fuss about
> >> > it like the drunk.
>
> >> Perhaps we should!
>
> >> Build may annoy some of you all the time an all of you some of the time
> >> but there was no call for the disrespect to ANZAC veterans.
>
> > There are many Australian newsgroups - did the drunk post to any of
> > them?
>
> So your saying that an international group is not the place for local
> content, then why not fuck off to rec.autos.sport.f1.spain to talk about the
> Spanish GP, or maybe r.a.s.f1.germany to talk about the German GP ??
> Its only logical.

Because an F1 race in Spain is still F1.

IMO OT posts, even if well intentioned, are minefields. They're often
made, it seems to me, in moments of emotion or passion, and may be
very important to the OP but not particularly to anybody else. So the
chances of somebody posting a reply that looks callous are much
greater.

Also it IS a forum for discussing F1 and things related to F1. That
somebody else thinks we need to hear about whatever it is that is
important to them in that moment is neither here nor there - be it the
commemoration of some date, a new guitar, a great night out with the
boys or whatever. I have things that I feel compelled to share with
whoever wants to read them EG a steam train trip that I recently took,
or the last time I played at the local folk music club, the death of a
dog (I keep them, and I've had to say goodbye a time or two) but I
take the view that that's what Facebook is for,

[build]

My, my you do have a problem. Well, I have a suggestion, leave the
[OT] thread to those who care and go elsewhere.

beers,

[Bobster]

On Apr 30, 3:05 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My, my you do have a problem.

No. I have an opinion. That it doesn't fit nicely with yours is
something I can live with. YMMV.

[build]

Well what is your opinion? I have not seen it yet. Please tell us.

[Bigbird]

Perhaps that OT threads should be marked OT for starters you ignorant
twerp.

[Bobster]

You're replying to it. It began with "IMO".

Since you missed that, and to save time, I better point out a couple
of other things I've said. You can very easily verify this via google
groups.

"Not that that diminishes the sacrifice made by the ANZACs"

and

"And you know, this is getting a bit distasteful, it's getting to be
about finger pointing and chest thumping more than remembrance (which
I think was Build's original motivation)."

I freely confess that all of that is my opinion - that the ANZAC
troops made a sacrifice at Gallipoli, that your motivation was
remembrance of that sacrifice and that the chest thumping, point
scoring and finger-pointing that arose was distasteful.

HTH.

[build]

On May 1, 12:06 am, Bobster <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 3:25 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 30, 11:12 pm, Bobster <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 30, 3:05 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > My, my you do have a problem.
>
> > > No. I have an opinion. That it doesn't fit nicely with yours is
> > > something I can live with. YMMV.
>
> > > > Well, I have a suggestion, leave the
> > > > [OT] thread to those who care and go elsewhere.
> > > > beers,
>
> > Well what is your opinion? I have not seen it yet. Please tell us.
>
> You're replying to it. It began with "IMO".

Which reply was that? There is no reply from me beginning with "IMO".
Why would you you suggest there is?

>
> Since you missed that, and to save time, I better point out a couple
> of other things I've said. You can very easily verify this via google
> groups.
>
> "Not that that diminishes the sacrifice made by the ANZACs"
> and
> "And you know, this is getting a bit distasteful, it's getting to be
> about finger pointing and chest thumping more than remembrance (which
> I think was Build's original motivation)."

You know it was not, look at the progress of this thread.

> I freely confess that all of that is my opinion - that the ANZAC
> troops made a sacrifice at Gallipoli, that your motivation was
> remembrance of that sacrifice and that the chest thumping, point
> scoring and finger-pointing that arose was distasteful.

I agree.

> HTH.

While there are indeed differing opinions about the events at
Gallipoli and on the western front, I deliberately avoided them in
light of the occasion of remembrance. Others saw fit to do otherwise,
I still disagree.

I will point you to a letter written by a British war correspondent to
the British prime minister at that time, drawn your own conclusions
but please read the words.

http://www.anzacsite.gov.au/1landing/letter.html

beers,

[Timmy]

build wrote ...

>
> While there are indeed differing opinions about the events at
> Gallipoli and on the western front, I deliberately avoided them in
> light of the occasion of remembrance. Others saw fit to do otherwise,
> I still disagree.
>
> I will point you to a letter written by a British war correspondent to
> the British prime minister at that time, drawn your own conclusions
> but please read the words.
>
> http://www.anzacsite.gov.au/1landing/letter.html
>

When are you going to remind us you're Scottish and hold a UK passport ?

[Bobster]

On Apr 30, 6:17 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 12:06 am, Bobster <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 3:25 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 30, 11:12 pm, Bobster <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 30, 3:05 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > My, my you do have a problem.
>
> > > > No. I have an opinion. That it doesn't fit nicely with yours is
> > > > something I can live with. YMMV.
>
> > > > > Well, I have a suggestion, leave the
> > > > > [OT] thread to those who care and go elsewhere.
> > > > > beers,
>
> > > Well what is your opinion? I have not seen it yet. Please tell us.
>
> > You're replying to it. It began with "IMO".
>
> Which reply was that? There is no reply from me beginning with "IMO".
> Why would you you suggest there is?

FFS! You need to get some new glasses or change your prescription or
something. I was referring to a post of mine, that you replied to,
that began with IMO. Scroll up a bit. You'll find it.

[build]

I'm also a British citizen, own property, earn income and will pay tax
in Britain. So what.

[Bobster]

On Apr 30, 6:17 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 12:06 am, Bobster <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 3:25 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 30, 11:12 pm, Bobster <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 30, 3:05 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > My, my you do have a problem.
>
> > > > No. I have an opinion. That it doesn't fit nicely with yours is
> > > > something I can live with. YMMV.
>
> > > > > Well, I have a suggestion, leave the
> > > > > [OT] thread to those who care and go elsewhere.
> > > > > beers,
>
> > > Well what is your opinion? I have not seen it yet. Please tell us.
>
> > You're replying to it. It began with "IMO".
>
> Which reply was that? There is no reply from me beginning with "IMO".
> Why would you you suggest there is?
>
>
>
> > Since you missed that, and to save time, I better point out a couple
> > of other things I've said. You can very easily verify this via google
> > groups.
>
> > "Not that that diminishes the sacrifice made by the ANZACs"
> > and
> > "And you know, this is getting a bit distasteful, it's getting to be
> > about finger pointing and chest thumping more than remembrance (which
> > I think was Build's original motivation)."
>
> You know it was not, look at the progress of this thread.

Build, I'm terribly sorry. It does go against the grain a bit, but if
you really want me to accept that your original motivation was NOT
remembrance then I suppose I'll have to take your word for it.

Happy?

[build]

Bob,
You conveniently snipped the bulk of my reply *and* totally ignored
the reference to:
http://www.anzacsite.gov.au/1landing/letter.html

Why did you do that?

build,

[build]

You are trying to twist the reply. In that case, I will ignore further
posts.

[Bobster]

Because I was pointing out the... errr... well there's no other word
for it, ERRORS that you made. I don't suppose you might think of
straightening those out first?

[Timmy]

build wrote ...

Nah... can't find you on the Sunday Times list. Where's the AA list.

[build]

Bob,
You are avoiding the bulk of of my post ... WHY?

Too hard? Try and address the post and not just a snip or FUCK OFF. Is
that plain enough?

beers,

[Bobster]

On Apr 30, 7:50 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 3:21 am, Bobster <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 30, 6:48 pm, build <bui...@gmail.com> wrote:> Bob,
> > > You conveniently snipped the bulk of my reply *and* totally ignored
> > > the reference to:http://www.anzacsite.gov.au/1landing/letter.html
>
> > > Why did you do that?
>
> > Because I was pointing out the... errr... well there's no other word
> > for it, ERRORS that you made. I don't suppose you might think of
> > straightening those out first?
>
> Bob,
> You are avoiding the bulk of of my post ... WHY?

I gave you a fucking explanation. Once again, you haven't even
acknowledged it.

>
> Too hard? Try and address the post and not just a snip or FUCK OFF. Is
> that plain enough?

Don't lecture me! You've been repeatedly wrong in this thread. You've
repeatedly refused to deal with what I've said. You also like to get
on the moral high horse about how people should talk to each other,
but you resort to insults and abuse any time it suits you. It's not
about principles with you, is it?

Build, quit while you're behind.
>
> beers,

[~misfit~]

Bob, I'm rather taken aback by your attitude in this whole thread. Sure,
build made mistakes and attributes got mixed up but, as I'm sure you know by
now, spelling and sorting back through a thread for attributes isn't build's
strong-suit. (No offence build.)

However, as you decided to participate in the thread I'm at a loss as to
why, instead of taking build's known weak-points as read, ignoring them and
instead replying to the subject matter you conecntrated on being all cryptic
and turning him around.

It's like a subtle ad hominem in a sensitive thread, a thread in which you
yourself said "And you know, this is getting a bit distasteful, it's getting
to be about finger pointing and chest thumping more than remembrance". Yet
you not only continue that trend but push it to it's limits, in fact
re-defining 'distasteful' in the process. I don't know why.

Remember what this thread is about. Here's a single sentence that might
remind you:

-Of the 760 men of the New Zealanders' Wellington Battalion who reached the
summit, 711 became casualties.-

So, in that light, feel free to go back to playing games with build - and
thank you for showing your true colours.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)

[Bobster]

Suddenly they're well known? What a load oaf crap!

>
> It's like a subtle ad hominem in a sensitive thread,

I think you should look at at what Build has dished out and see how
subtle that was.

a thread in which you
> yourself said "And you know, this is getting a bit distasteful, it's getting
> to be about finger pointing and chest thumping more than remembrance".

Fuck me! This is getting funny. I've already quoted that to Build, and
it was said to you and, lest you missed it, about you?
<snipped the rest - all self-righteous bollocks>

[Bobster]

On May 1, 2:10 am, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, in that light, feel free to go back to playing games with build - and
> thank you for showing your true colours.

PS. That's an ad hominen. In Build's thread. Have you not one shred of
respect in your soul? Shame on you.

[Bobster]

I'm out of here. It's getting like banging nails into skulls. Nothing
useful is going to come of it now. You two can interpret that any way
you want. Just don't confuse it with the truth (if that actually
concerns you).

[~misfit~]

Wow! Three replies to one post. Frothing at the mouth much? Awesome
self-control.