Why wasn't this possible (at Indy)
Jim
the tyres on Saturday and said they could ship over Spanish spec ones
immediately.
Under those circumstances, why not let them. Assuming they could have
them at the track for friday morning, schedule in a brief (15-30 min)
practice session on Sunday morning (to allow Michelin to make sure
these don't suffer similarly) for all teams, and then RERUN
qualifying.
I don't see any problems with this. It should benefit the Bridgestone
teams, as they have the possibility of improving their position (as
the Michelin tyres, having been make for the more abrasive Barcelona
track, would be much harder and hence slower) whilst removing any
'qualifying tyre' scenarios, as they will be racing with what they
qualified. Bridgestone teams would start qualifying with a new set of
the same tyres (or be allowed to change types if they want).
Michelin to be fined for the inconvenience and if the harder tyre and
losing qualifying position isn't felt to be enough of a penalty to the
Michelin teams, then force them all to have 1 drive through penalty
(to be taken at any point in the race).
Surely that's a better compromise and something everyone could accept,
rather than the stupid 6 car race we had? Sorry if someone has already
suggested similar - I'm still wading through the 2000+ posts, but I
have seen one if there is.
Jim
michael
would be safe
Albert D. Kallal
news:ghkhb1lq88i0jh73d...@4ax.com...
> My understanding is that Michelin originally declared the problem with
> the tyres on Saturday and said they could ship over Spanish spec ones
> immediately.
Yes, the newspapers are NOT clear on the above issue.
We got a set a tires being sent Friday, and apparently EVEN Michelin
declared that this NEW shipment as a result of tire problems was ALSO NOT
safe. (at least could not be declared safe by Michelin).
However, Michelin (as far as we know) did NOT state that the Spanish tires
were not safe, and could ship them. That shipment of tires sent was NOT the
Spanish spec tires (if anyone can correct this fact, .please do).
At this point, we have FIA steadfastly holding that the rules state NO tire
changes.
So, was FIA eventually willing to allow a tire change?
I agree what Michelin seemed to sort screw up a bit, but life is not 100%
perfect, and FIA should allowed a tire change.
Of course, with no tire change allowed, then the debate shifted to the
adding of the chicane. When that fell through, they were simply out of time.
So, sure, Michelin had a miss-cue, but FIA should come up with a way to use
the Spanish tires. Perhaps even asking Bridgestone to supply tires.
The issue as the end of the day is how to deal with a problem. We can all
stand here and say gee, Michelin had a problem with their tires. Also, we
can say that rules are rule. At this point, management (FIA) has to deal
with this issue, and you can see that the way things went, we got a mess.
They had a problem, and they needed a BETTER soltion then what happned.
It is not clear if Spanish tires could have been shipped in time - these
folks simply ran out of time solution wise.
At least now, when they got this type of problem, the management and teams
will work harder to come up with a soltion...
--
Albert D. Kallal
Edmonton, Alberta Canada
pleaseNOO...@msn.com
http://www.members.shaw.ca/AlbertKallal
it is NOT clear at all that as to if
Jim
>Because Michelin said that without testing, extensive testing at that,
>they could not gauranteethe Barcelona tires would hold up for the
>race. In the end the Barcelona tires were sitting at Indianopolis
>airport but were not allowed to be brought to the track.
>A note WAS sent to all Michelin shod Teams that a change in tire would
>not be looked on favorably and the penalty would be severe enough so
>as to happen in the future.
I wasn't aware that Michelin weren't at all confident of the Barcelona
tyres. How much testing is extensive. If more than 14 cars for a
standard practice seesion, then why even ship them to the US?
The severe penalty the teams were warned about was because the change
of tyres was between qualifying and practice, so as to prevent a back
door way of using qualifying tyres. That's why I proposed rerunning
qualifying on the new tyres, to remove that problem.
Jim
Jim
Yes - the FIA were not going to allow a tyres change without applying
a heavy penalty, to prevent a precident to allow qualifying tyres back
into F1. However, nowhere have i seen it suggested that qualifying
could be rerun on the new tyres. Maybe that was proposed and rejected,
but I haven't seen it.
The chicane thing was never likely to happen without Ferrari accepting
it, and why should they accept it when it gives them no advantage, and
possibly hinders them (having done all their setups to date on a
different configuration) yet they'd done nothing wrong. In theory
Ferrari could have made the decision to accept the chicane for the
good of the sport (to allow a race to run) but it's neither in their
nature to do that (in recent history) which is fair enough, as their
aim is to win, nor did it appear that the FIA would allow a chicane
even if all teams agreed.
Unless some compomise could be found with the Spanish tyres (assuming
it was the Spanish tyres) and that Michelin were happy they were safe,
then there wasn't going to be more than a 6 car race.
My understanding is that F1 cars are suitably tailored to the tyres
they use, that it could be dangerous for the Michelin teams to race on
Bridgestones without heavy testing (probably much more than I proposed
for the Spanish tyres and also more than there was time to test them),
however, Commercial and legal implications aside (if that were
possible) maybe putting everyone on Bridgestones on Sunday morning and
having a test session and new qualifying session might have been the
best solution.
Iain Miller
> the tyres on Saturday and said they could ship over Spanish spec ones
> immediately.
>
> Under those circumstances, why not let them.
AFAIK they did ship them in - but the carcass construction was the same as
the Indy tyre so they wouldn't have been safe either.
I.
jpoint
points. Fans and sponsors would have had their race and Bridgestone
teams would have had their points, everybody would have been happy .
The best FIA could come up was to slow down the cars at a certain
corner!!!! they think spectators would been fooled into believing that
it was a proper race. FIA rules are not clear cut and subject to
interpretation but it seems FIA dinosaurs are incapable of dealing with
complex situations which can arise from a very complex multi
disciplinary sport.