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2012 Austin Texas Driver Of The Day

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build

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Nov 18, 2012, 3:44:12 PM11/18/12
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Hamilton
and
Alonso

lottsa blokes deserve a mention.

AC

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Nov 18, 2012, 3:45:59 PM11/18/12
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Im going with Lewis. Alonso really just had a great start and hung on.


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AC

build

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Nov 18, 2012, 3:59:54 PM11/18/12
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> AC

Can't disagree but I'll add Mario, 4 Champions on the podium ;-)

WebSlave

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Nov 18, 2012, 4:31:30 PM11/18/12
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The winner deserves a mention, but considering that it's not really
the point of this honor, and minding the circumstances, I'd pick
Massa. A very good drive from a handicapped starting point and at
times clearly the fastest man on track. 11. -> 4.

Another climber was Button: 12. -> 5.


-Webs-

John Briggs

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Nov 18, 2012, 4:44:18 PM11/18/12
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On 18/11/2012 21:31, WebSlave wrote:
> build wrote:
>> Hamilton
>> and
>> Alonso
>>
>> lottsa blokes deserve a mention.
>
> The winner deserves a mention, but considering that it's not really
> the point of this honor, and minding the circumstances, I'd pick
> Massa. A very good drive from a handicapped starting point and at
> times clearly the fastest man on track. 11. -> 4.

Not much of a handicap: he was on the clean side of the grid.

> Another climber was Button: 12. -> 5.

Probably a bigger achievement, in the circumstances.
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John Briggs

Noj

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Nov 18, 2012, 4:59:21 PM11/18/12
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WebSlave wrote ...
Neither are anything special in the age of DRS.

~misfit~

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Nov 18, 2012, 11:25:54 PM11/18/12
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs John Briggs wrote:
> On 18/11/2012 21:31, WebSlave wrote:
>> build wrote:
>>> Hamilton
>>> and
>>> Alonso
>>>
>>> lottsa blokes deserve a mention.
>>
>> The winner deserves a mention, but considering that it's not really
>> the point of this honor, and minding the circumstances, I'd pick
>> Massa. A very good drive from a handicapped starting point and at
>> times clearly the fastest man on track. 11. -> 4.
>
> Not much of a handicap: he was on the clean side of the grid.

Also it seemed that a lot of his "passes" were due to pit-stops.

>> Another climber was Button: 12. -> 5.
>
> Probably a bigger achievement, in the circumstances.

I agree. My driver of the day goes to Button. He pulled off some difficult
passes cleanly. He was great to watch (and I thank the director for showing
enough of his race for people to see that). He is *so* clean and fair -
Passing when he could, waiting when he couldn't and not running other
drivers out of road. A real class act.

I'm really looking forward to him being number one at McLaren. (Yeah,
yeah...) He's still young enough to have the reflexes yet old enough to know
when discretion is the better part of valour. Like today - He lost places at
the start simply because he was out-of-position and knew he couldn't rely on
drivers around him to race cleanly (or even stay on the track!). Live to
fight later, excellent racing.
--
/Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)


AC

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Nov 19, 2012, 4:49:23 AM11/19/12
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~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs John Briggs wrote:
>> On 18/11/2012 21:31, WebSlave wrote:
>>> build wrote:
>>>> Hamilton
>>>> and
>>>> Alonso
>>>>
>>>> lottsa blokes deserve a mention.
>>>
>>> The winner deserves a mention, but considering that it's not really
>>> the point of this honor, and minding the circumstances, I'd pick
>>> Massa. A very good drive from a handicapped starting point and at
>>> times clearly the fastest man on track. 11. -> 4.
>>
>> Not much of a handicap: he was on the clean side of the grid.
>
> Also it seemed that a lot of his "passes" were due to pit-stops.
>
>>> Another climber was Button: 12. -> 5.
>>
>> Probably a bigger achievement, in the circumstances.
>
> I agree. My driver of the day goes to Button. He pulled off some difficult
> passes cleanly. He was great to watch (and I thank the director for showing
> enough of his race for people to see that). He is *so* clean and fair -
> Passing when he could, waiting when he couldn't and not running other
> drivers out of road. A real class act.

Indeed, even Mrs AC appreciated his clean solid over taking. Both Kimi
and MS tried to intimidate him, but he was just solid in the face of it.
Button is very under-rated, IMHO.

However, I personally still have to give it to Lewis because he made the
win superbly and for me that has to trump Button's brilliant drive. But
I cant really argue against Button's drive at all. Fine line and all that.

>
> I'm really looking forward to him being number one at McLaren. (Yeah,
> yeah...) He's still young enough to have the reflexes yet old enough to know
> when discretion is the better part of valour. Like today - He lost places at
> the start simply because he was out-of-position and knew he couldn't rely on
> drivers around him to race cleanly (or even stay on the track!). Live to
> fight later, excellent racing.
>

Hmmmm. Sadly, and I say this as a Button fan, I think Perez will quickly
out perform him in raw speed, then gradually mature to a dominant
position. All I can hope for is that McLaren get their act together for
Button to win another WDC before Perez gets in the groove. Im sure
Button will handle it better than Alonso, but I fear a Alonso/Hamilton
situation.

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AC

John Briggs

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Nov 19, 2012, 3:10:27 PM11/19/12
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And *I* fear that McLaren will solve the problem by not producing a good
enough car.
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John Briggs

~misfit~

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Nov 19, 2012, 5:29:34 PM11/19/12
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs John Briggs wrote:
> On 19/11/2012 09:49, AC wrote:
>> ~misfit~ wrote:
[snips]
>>> I agree. My driver of the day goes to Button. He pulled off some
>>> difficult
>>> passes cleanly. He was great to watch (and I thank the director for
>>> showing
>>> enough of his race for people to see that). He is *so* clean and
>>> fair - Passing when he could, waiting when he couldn't and not
>>> running other drivers out of road. A real class act.
>>
>> Indeed, even Mrs AC appreciated his clean solid over taking. Both
>> Kimi and MS tried to intimidate him, but he was just solid in the
>> face of it. Button is very under-rated, IMHO.

Agreed. I wish [in one hand...] that he'd gotten a more competetive drive
earlier in his career. I believe that he had the potential to be one of the
greats. Hell, I believe that he *is* - just without the string of data that
brash young drivers like Vettel have had the opportunity to rack up.

>> However, I personally still have to give it to Lewis because he made
>> the win superbly and for me that has to trump Button's brilliant
>> drive. But I cant really argue against Button's drive at all. Fine line
>> and all
>> that.

Yep, Lewis drove brilliantly as well.

>>> I'm really looking forward to him being number one at McLaren.
>>> (Yeah, yeah...) He's still young enough to have the reflexes yet
>>> old enough to know
>>> when discretion is the better part of valour. Like today - He lost
>>> places at
>>> the start simply because he was out-of-position and knew he couldn't
>>> rely on
>>> drivers around him to race cleanly (or even stay on the track!).
>>> Live to fight later, excellent racing.
>>>
>>
>> Hmmmm. Sadly, and I say this as a Button fan, I think Perez will
>> quickly out perform him in raw speed, then gradually mature to a
>> dominant position. All I can hope for is that McLaren get their act
>> together for Button to win another WDC before Perez gets in the
>> groove.

This is my hope; That next year is Button's year. The year after [as you
say] Perez will be more mature and, with his innate speed Button will likely
be relegated to number two.

>> Im sure Button will handle it better than Alonso, but I fear a
>> Alonso/Hamilton situation.


Yeah, but as you say Button will handle it much more gracefully than Alonso.

> And *I* fear that McLaren will solve the problem by not producing a
> good enough car.

Bah! Don't jinx it! Next year is McLaren's year - Button's year. (At least I
hope so, I'd love for him to get another WDC, he's a good enough driver to
warrant it - even if he excells at racing rather than qualifying.)

Zeppo Marx

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Nov 20, 2012, 2:35:10 AM11/20/12
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On 19.11.12 23:29, ~misfit~ wrote:

>
> Bah! Don't jinx it! Next year is McLaren's year - Button's year. (At least I
> hope so, I'd love for him to get another WDC, he's a good enough driver to
> warrant it - even if he excells at racing rather than qualifying.)
>

Is "Next Year Is My Year" not copyrighted by DC?
Just asking. :)

WebSlave

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Nov 20, 2012, 4:11:26 PM11/20/12
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Noj wrote:

> Neither are anything special in the age of DRS.

You still need to be faster to get within that 1 second. DRS enables
faster guys actually climb compared to the old days, when you were
simply stuck behind slower cars.

(And even with DRS Kimi seems to constantly be stucked behind either
one of the Mercedes cars, because their straight line speed just isn't
fast enough even the DRS open.)

-Webs-

WebSlave

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Nov 20, 2012, 4:21:50 PM11/20/12
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John Briggs wrote:

> WebSlave wrote:

> > The winner deserves a mention, but considering that it's
> > not really the point of this honor, and minding the
> > circumstances, I'd pick Massa. A very good drive from
> > a handicapped starting point and at
> > times clearly the fastest man on track. 11. ->  4.
>
> Not much of a handicap: he was on the clean side of the grid.

The clean side was not worth the five places he lost. He actually
gained just one place on the first lap. Don't know if he did that on
the start.

> > Another climber was Button: 12. ->  5.
>
> Probably a bigger achievement, in the circumstances.

I have no problem giving the honor to Button either. To me Massa just
seemed a faster man on the circuit. Perhaps the battles weren't that
spectacular (Massa is not known for his excellent racecraft). But
considering Button's team mate won the race and Jenson finished fifth,
not quite everything had worked for him either during the weekend.
Massa outperformed Alonso in qualifying and seemed faster in the race
as well.

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Ian Dalziel

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Nov 21, 2012, 2:58:33 PM11/21/12
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:35:10 +0100, Zeppo Marx <zeppo...@gmx.net>
wrote:
When did he say that?

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Zeppo Marx

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Nov 21, 2012, 5:08:48 PM11/21/12
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Every year?

Noj

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Nov 21, 2012, 5:51:14 PM11/21/12
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Zeppo Marx wrote ...
Only when he was at McFuckwits.

Next year will be Jenson Button's year.




Zeppo Marx

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Nov 21, 2012, 6:54:57 PM11/21/12
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On 21.11.12 23:51, Noj wrote:
>
> Only when he was at McFuckwits.
>
> Next year will be Jenson Button's year.
>

I would certainly like to see that. I like the guy. However, IMHO, the
chances are slim to none.

Noj

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Nov 22, 2012, 2:56:40 AM11/22/12
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Zeppo Marx wrote ...
Without LH to setup the cars, he's fucked.

And we know who sorted the car when he won the WDC.

Ian Dalziel

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Nov 24, 2012, 2:41:57 PM11/24/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:08:48 +0100, Zeppo Marx <zeppo...@gmx.net>
wrote:

>On 21.11.12 20:58, Ian Dalziel wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:35:10 +0100, Zeppo Marx <zeppo...@gmx.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19.11.12 23:29, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bah! Don't jinx it! Next year is McLaren's year - Button's year. (At least I
>>>> hope so, I'd love for him to get another WDC, he's a good enough driver to
>>>> warrant it - even if he excells at racing rather than qualifying.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is "Next Year Is My Year" not copyrighted by DC?
>>> Just asking. :)
>>
>> When did he say that?
>>
>
>Every year?

Bzzzt. Never, actually.

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