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Sir Tim

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Apr 17, 2012, 7:35:24 AM4/17/12
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I live in a fairly remote part of Shropshire and actually have to
venture into Wales to get my hair cut.

Mac is a good, old-fashioned barber - not a “hairdresser” - whose
customers are exclusively male; mainly elderly. There is always much
chat in his shop, usually - when not concerned with agricultural matters
- about rugby. This morning, however, the place was agog with
enthusiasm for the Chinese GP.

Knighton is not exactly Motor City so F1 must be doing something right
if it can generate such enthusiasm amongst ordinary citizens.

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

Pedro

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Apr 17, 2012, 12:01:07 PM4/17/12
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Sir Tim wrote...

>
> I live in a fairly remote part of Shropshire and actually have to
> venture into Wales to get my hair cut.
>
> Mac is a good, old-fashioned barber - not a ?hairdresser? - whose
> customers are exclusively male; mainly elderly. There is always much
> chat in his shop, usually - when not concerned with agricultural matters
> - about rugby. This morning, however, the place was agog with
> enthusiasm for the Chinese GP.
>
> Knighton is not exactly Motor City so F1 must be doing something right
> if it can generate such enthusiasm amongst ordinary citizens.


Isn't Knighton the place where all the locals have girlfriends who all live in
the top field ?



--
Pedro

Sir Tim

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Apr 17, 2012, 1:10:41 PM4/17/12
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Have you been reading A.E. Houseman?

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

Timmy

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Apr 17, 2012, 1:42:19 PM4/17/12
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Sir Tim wrote...
No. Royston Vasey.


AC

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Apr 17, 2012, 3:34:11 PM4/17/12
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And what is your experience of the local rural baa-baa-shop?

--
AC

brafield

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Apr 17, 2012, 4:26:52 PM4/17/12
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On Apr 17, 4:35 am, Sir Tim <Gongooz...@monza.com> wrote:

> Mac is a good, old-fashioned barber -  not a “hairdresser” -  whose
> customers are exclusively male; mainly elderly. There is always much
> chat in his shop, usually - when not concerned with agricultural matters
> - about  rugby.

Mine used to speak only of what HE'D do with juvenile delinquents and
immigrants if HE was in charge. His best true tale (this was in
Bristol, England) was of being offered some butter on the cheap, "off
the docks", and being horrified when he got home to find a massive
insulated crate on his pathway, which he could not move by himself.

Then I transferred to a young woman with a spikey hairdo and better
conversation: a guitarist in a girl-punk band, who over the subsequent
years went on to college, then university, and achieved a PhD while
still clipping my locks at weekends.

But I never ventured into Salop except for a week on the "Shroppie
Canal".

Timmy

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Apr 17, 2012, 5:32:54 PM4/17/12
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brafield wrote...

>
> On Apr 17, 4:35 am, Sir Tim <Gongooz...@monza.com> wrote:
>
> > Mac is a good, old-fashioned barber -  not a ?hairdresser? -  whose
> > customers are exclusively male; mainly elderly. There is always much
> > chat in his shop, usually - when not concerned with agricultural matters
> > - about  rugby.
>
> Mine used to speak only of what HE'D do with juvenile delinquents and
> immigrants if HE was in charge. His best true tale (this was in
> Bristol, England) was of being offered some butter on the cheap, "off
> the docks", and being horrified when he got home to find a massive
> insulated crate on his pathway, which he could not move by himself.
>
> Then I transferred to a young woman with a spikey hairdo and better
> conversation: a guitarist in a girl-punk band, who over the subsequent
> years went on to college, then university, and achieved a PhD while
> still clipping my locks at weekends.
>
> But I never ventured into Salop except for a week on the "Shroppie
> Canal".


You don't want to go there. There be pirates.

John Briggs

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Apr 17, 2012, 5:42:59 PM4/17/12
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You know, "Knighton" is not a Welsh name :-)
--
John Briggs

Timmy

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Apr 17, 2012, 5:48:11 PM4/17/12
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John Briggs wrote...

>
> On 17/04/2012 12:35, Sir Tim wrote:
> > I live in a fairly remote part of Shropshire and actually have to
> > venture into Wales to get my hair cut.
> >
> > Mac is a good, old-fashioned barber - not a ?hairdresser? - whose
> > customers are exclusively male; mainly elderly. There is always much
> > chat in his shop, usually - when not concerned with agricultural matters
> > - about rugby. This morning, however, the place was agog with enthusiasm
> > for the Chinese GP.
> >
> > Knighton is not exactly Motor City so F1 must be doing something right
> > if it can generate such enthusiasm amongst ordinary citizens.
>
> You know, "Knighton" is not a Welsh name :-)


Tref-y-clawdd is.



Sir Tim

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Apr 17, 2012, 6:25:17 PM4/17/12
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Beat me to it, Pedro ;)


--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

John Briggs

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Apr 17, 2012, 7:12:11 PM4/17/12
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Everyone's a comedian :-)

That name only dates from 1971. It was the (presumed) original form of
the actual Welsh name, Trefyclo. The clawydd is pretty meaningless if
you don't realise it is Clawydd Offa - Offa's Dyke. Did she die in vain?

The name was probably only bestowed when Knighton became part of Wales.
--
John Briggs

Bobster

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Apr 18, 2012, 12:54:34 AM4/18/12
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Were they not just amazed that the BBC actually showed an F1 race?

Timmy

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Apr 18, 2012, 3:25:28 AM4/18/12
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The Welsh language nazis have created a lot of makey uppey Welsh place names in
recent years. Not that it matters, no one uses them.




AC

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Apr 18, 2012, 3:58:47 AM4/18/12
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Not really, since TV is witch craft to them.

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AC

Sir Tim

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Apr 18, 2012, 4:21:06 AM4/18/12
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Funnily enough, most people in Knighton have Sky. This is for the same
reason that I do: the old analogue signal was very poor and unreliable.
Ours was one of the first areas to go digital only.

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

Sir Tim

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Apr 18, 2012, 4:21:06 AM4/18/12
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Certainly not in Knighton ;-)

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

Timmy

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Apr 18, 2012, 4:46:40 AM4/18/12
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Sir Tim wrote...
Like Pems - Little England Beyond






Timmy

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Apr 18, 2012, 5:09:32 AM4/18/12
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Sir Tim wrote...


> >> On Apr 17, 1:35 pm, Sir Tim<Gongooz...@monza.com> wrote:
> >>> I live in a fairly remote part of Shropshire and actually have to
> >>> venture into Wales to get my hair cut.
> >>>
> >>> Mac is a good, old-fashioned barber - not a ?hairdresser? - whose
> >>> customers are exclusively male; mainly elderly. There is always much
> >>> chat in his shop, usually - when not concerned with agricultural matters
> >>> - about rugby. This morning, however, the place was agog with
> >>> enthusiasm for the Chinese GP.
> >>>
> >>> Knighton is not exactly Motor City so F1 must be doing something right
> >>> if it can generate such enthusiasm amongst ordinary citizens.
> >>
> >> Were they not just amazed that the BBC actually showed an F1 race?
> >>
> >
> > Not really, since TV is witch craft to them.
>
> Funnily enough, most people in Knighton have Sky. This is for the same
> reason that I do: the old analogue signal was very poor and unreliable.
> Ours was one of the first areas to go digital only.


A friend who lived in a larger village near Swansea used to receive tv through
a relay system run by the local (and only) tv shop. It wasn't unusual to be
watching a late night programme on the box for it to suddenly go off. The shop
owner wanted a early night, turned off the relay and everyone was buggered!


Bigbird

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Apr 18, 2012, 5:21:25 AM4/18/12
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Was he the only gay in the village?

It used to be that power cuts were blamed for spikes in the birth rate.
It's interesing to hear that a whole village had contigencies.

Sir Tim

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Apr 18, 2012, 5:29:17 AM4/18/12
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We had a mast on a nearby hill and tended to lose the signal whenever there
was a high wind!

Timmy

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Apr 18, 2012, 5:42:47 AM4/18/12
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Bigbird wrote...


> >
> > A friend who lived in a larger village near Swansea used to receive
> > tv through a relay system run by the local (and only) tv shop. It
> > wasn't unusual to be watching a late night programme on the box for
> > it to suddenly go off. The shop owner wanted a early night, turned
> > off the relay and everyone was buggered!
>
> Was he the only gay in the village?
>
> It used to be that power cuts were blamed for spikes in the birth rate.
> It's interesing to hear that a whole village had contigencies.


When the lights went out - the top field fillys were the attraction.

The Welsh have discovered a way to manufacture their own gays -
http://tinyurl.com/cbp8d2j


Mower Man

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Apr 18, 2012, 6:04:22 AM4/18/12
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Where on earth do you guys dig this stuff up?

Or are you a Daily Mail reader?

--
Chris

'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it
every six months.'

(Oscar Wilde.)

Bobster

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Apr 18, 2012, 6:21:36 AM4/18/12
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On Apr 18, 11:09 am, Timmy <Ti...@to.ms> wrote:

> A friend who lived in a larger village near Swansea used to receive tv through
> a relay system run by the local (and only) tv shop.  It wasn't unusual to be
> watching a late night programme on the box for it to suddenly go off.  The shop
> owner wanted a early night, turned off the relay and everyone was buggered!

Aha! A couple of years ago the Missus and I spent some time in Wales.
We were based in Llandrindod Wells and the TV there kept on coming and
going. Not like it does when the signal is weak, but sometimes you'd
turn on the box and get a choice of channels and other times you got a
choice of static.

It did seem to stay on for World Cup matches though (or maybe that was
Sky). I recall being in a pub there the night that England lost to
Germany and they were all crying in their beer at the enormity of it
all.

Bigbird

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Apr 18, 2012, 7:47:57 AM4/18/12
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Mower Man wrote:

> On 18/04/2012 10:42 AM, Timmy wrote:
> > Bigbird wrote...
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > A friend who lived in a larger village near Swansea used to
> > > > receive tv through a relay system run by the local (and only)
> > > > tv shop. It wasn't unusual to be watching a late night
> > > > programme on the box for it to suddenly go off. The shop owner
> > > > wanted a early night, turned off the relay and everyone was
> > > > buggered!
> > >
> > > Was he the only gay in the village?
> > >
> > > It used to be that power cuts were blamed for spikes in the birth
> > > rate. It's interesing to hear that a whole village had
> > > contigencies.
> >
> >
> > When the lights went out - the top field fillys were the attraction.
> >
> > The Welsh have discovered a way to manufacture their own gays -
> > http://tinyurl.com/cbp8d2j
> >
> >
>
> Where on earth do you guys dig this stuff up?
>
> Or are you a Daily Mail reader?

To my dismay my girlfriend reads the Mail Online...

She's been late to bed most nights since reading...and researching this
article...

http://tinyurl.com/73jtjnm

Timmy

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Apr 18, 2012, 9:04:24 AM4/18/12
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Mower Man wrote...

>
> On 18/04/2012 10:42 AM, Timmy wrote:
> > Bigbird wrote...
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>> A friend who lived in a larger village near Swansea used to receive
> >>> tv through a relay system run by the local (and only) tv shop. It
> >>> wasn't unusual to be watching a late night programme on the box for
> >>> it to suddenly go off. The shop owner wanted a early night, turned
> >>> off the relay and everyone was buggered!
> >>
> >> Was he the only gay in the village?
> >>
> >> It used to be that power cuts were blamed for spikes in the birth rate.
> >> It's interesing to hear that a whole village had contigencies.
> >
> >
> > When the lights went out - the top field fillys were the attraction.
> >
> > The Welsh have discovered a way to manufacture their own gays -
> > http://tinyurl.com/cbp8d2j
> >
> >
>
> Where on earth do you guys dig this stuff up?
>
> Or are you a Daily Mail reader?


The Daily Heil is great fun. I get a lot of enjoyment out of taking the piss
out of their Tunbridge Wells readership.
They've recently started showing tits.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/17/article-0-12A2B0DD000005DC-82_
634x389.jpg




Timmy

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Apr 18, 2012, 9:06:06 AM4/18/12
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Bigbird wrote...


> >
> > Where on earth do you guys dig this stuff up?
> >
> > Or are you a Daily Mail reader?
>
> To my dismay my girlfriend reads the Mail Online...
>
> She's been late to bed most nights since reading...and researching this
> article...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/73jtjnm


Some good comments on the article.

Timmy

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Apr 18, 2012, 9:08:46 AM4/18/12
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Bobster wrote...
Most of the football fans in Wales support Liverpool or Man U. The anti-
english bollocks is for fun, a few take it too far, but they're mostly
considered a bit odd.


John Briggs

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Apr 18, 2012, 3:00:51 PM4/18/12
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On 18/04/2012 11:04, Mower Man wrote:
> On 18/04/2012 10:42 AM, Timmy wrote:
>> Bigbird wrote...
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> A friend who lived in a larger village near Swansea used to receive
>>>> tv through a relay system run by the local (and only) tv shop. It
>>>> wasn't unusual to be watching a late night programme on the box for
>>>> it to suddenly go off. The shop owner wanted a early night, turned
>>>> off the relay and everyone was buggered!
>>>
>>> Was he the only gay in the village?
>>>
>>> It used to be that power cuts were blamed for spikes in the birth rate.
>>> It's interesing to hear that a whole village had contigencies.
>>
>>
>> When the lights went out - the top field fillys were the attraction.
>>
>> The Welsh have discovered a way to manufacture their own gays -
>> http://tinyurl.com/cbp8d2j
>
> Where on earth do you guys dig this stuff up?
>
> Or are you a Daily Mail reader?

It was a documentary on BBC3 last night.
--
John Briggs

Timmy

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Apr 18, 2012, 3:28:46 PM4/18/12
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John Briggs wrote...


> >>>> A friend who lived in a larger village near Swansea used to receive
> >>>> tv through a relay system run by the local (and only) tv shop. It
> >>>> wasn't unusual to be watching a late night programme on the box for
> >>>> it to suddenly go off. The shop owner wanted a early night, turned
> >>>> off the relay and everyone was buggered!
> >>>
> >>> Was he the only gay in the village?
> >>>
> >>> It used to be that power cuts were blamed for spikes in the birth rate.
> >>> It's interesing to hear that a whole village had contigencies.
> >>
> >>
> >> When the lights went out - the top field fillys were the attraction.
> >>
> >> The Welsh have discovered a way to manufacture their own gays -
> >> http://tinyurl.com/cbp8d2j
> >
> > Where on earth do you guys dig this stuff up?
> >
> > Or are you a Daily Mail reader?
>
> It was a documentary on BBC3 last night.


Wonder how many men have turned gay after a nice stroke ?

Mower Man

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Apr 18, 2012, 3:36:45 PM4/18/12
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Sadly, repeated tonight.

Sooo - who the hell here watches BBC3? Out with you?

~misfit~

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Apr 18, 2012, 8:01:34 AM4/18/12
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:)

I'm glad I read to the end of the thread to point out that it was the first
race of the season that the BBC showed live, so likely the first race of the
season for most folks in that rural barbershop.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)


Timmy

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Apr 18, 2012, 7:41:48 PM4/18/12
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~misfit~ wrote...

>
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bobster wrote:
> > On Apr 17, 1:35 pm, Sir Tim <Gongooz...@monza.com> wrote:
> >> I live in a fairly remote part of Shropshire and actually have to
> >> venture into Wales to get my hair cut.
> >>
> >> Mac is a good, old-fashioned barber - not a ?hairdresser? - whose
> >> customers are exclusively male; mainly elderly. There is always much
> >> chat in his shop, usually - when not concerned with agricultural
> >> matters - about rugby. This morning, however, the place was agog with
> >> enthusiasm for the Chinese GP.
> >>
> >> Knighton is not exactly Motor City so F1 must be doing something
> >> right if it can generate such enthusiasm amongst ordinary citizens.
> >
> > Were they not just amazed that the BBC actually showed an F1 race?
>
> :)
>
> I'm glad I read to the end of the thread to point out that it was the first
> race of the season that the BBC showed live, so likely the first race of the
> season for most folks in that rural barbershop.


Don't be a prat.

Sir Tim

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Apr 19, 2012, 3:48:21 AM4/19/12
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"~misfit~" <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm glad I read to the end of the thread to point out that it was the first
> race of the season that the BBC showed live, so likely the first race of the
> season for most folks in that rural barbershop.

Why on earth would you imagine that people who live in rural England do not
have Sky?
Because country areas were the first to lose analogue broadcasting almost
every house has sprouted a dish. Many are for Freesat but I would say that
the majority, given the national obsession with football, have Sky.

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

Timmy

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Apr 19, 2012, 5:55:24 AM4/19/12
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Sir Tim wrote...
Pretty amazing when you know we've hardly got any tarmac roads out in the
sticks, most people depend upon phone boxes for communication and the post has
to be collected from postboxes in the nearest town.

Opps - sorry - that's New Zealand.


bugalugs

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Apr 19, 2012, 7:14:28 AM4/19/12
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Please ......don't display your ignorance.

--
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

Timmy

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Apr 19, 2012, 7:40:00 AM4/19/12
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bugalugs wrote...
Whoooooooooossssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

And some of what I said is correct.





build

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Apr 19, 2012, 8:08:32 AM4/19/12
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On Apr 18, 10:01 pm, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bobster wrote:
>
> > On Apr 17, 1:35 pm, Sir Tim <Gongooz...@monza.com> wrote:
> >> I live in a fairly remote part of Shropshire and actually have to
> >> venture into Wales to get my hair cut.
>
> >> Mac is a good, old-fashioned barber - not a “hairdresser” - whose
> >> customers are exclusively male; mainly elderly. There is always much
> >> chat in his shop, usually - when not concerned with agricultural
> >> matters - about rugby. This morning, however, the place was agog with
> >> enthusiasm for the Chinese GP.
>
> >> Knighton is not exactly Motor City so F1 must be doing something
> >> right if it can generate such enthusiasm amongst ordinary citizens.
>
> > Were they not just amazed that the BBC actually showed an F1 race?
>
> :)
>
> I'm glad I read to the end of the thread to point out that it was the first
> race of the season that the BBC showed live, so likely the first race of the
> season for most folks in that rural barbershop.
> --
> Shaun.

LOL, Shaun perhaps you should have warned them about the deadly Kiwi
snake that lives in the sewers. I think some took you seriously, sigh.

beers,

bugalugs

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:15:21 PM4/19/12
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My part time job is delivering the mail out in the sticks.

Timmy

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Apr 19, 2012, 4:50:45 PM4/19/12
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bugalugs wrote...


> >>>>> I'm glad I read to the end of the thread to point out that it was the first
> >>>>> race of the season that the BBC showed live, so likely the first race of the
> >>>>> season for most folks in that rural barbershop.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why on earth would you imagine that people who live in rural England do not
> >>>> have Sky?
> >>>> Because country areas were the first to lose analogue broadcasting almost
> >>>> every house has sprouted a dish. Many are for Freesat but I would say that
> >>>> the majority, given the national obsession with football, have Sky.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Pretty amazing when you know we've hardly got any tarmac roads out in the
> >>> sticks, most people depend upon phone boxes for communication and the post has
> >>> to be collected from postboxes in the nearest town.
> >>>
> >>> Opps - sorry - that's New Zealand.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Please ......don't display your ignorance.
> >
> >
> > Whoooooooooossssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh
> >
> > And some of what I said is correct.
> >
> >
> >
>
> My part time job is delivering the mail out in the sticks.


Part-time post eh?


~misfit~

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Apr 19, 2012, 9:28:55 PM4/19/12
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Heh, it was one of those half-and half comments build, like a
double-entendre but not quite - maybe the rasf1 version of one?

~misfit~

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Apr 19, 2012, 9:38:33 PM4/19/12
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs Sir Tim wrote:
> "~misfit~" <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm glad I read to the end of the thread to point out that it was
>> the first race of the season that the BBC showed live, so likely the
>> first race of the season for most folks in that rural barbershop.
>
> Why on earth would you imagine that people who live in rural England
> do not have Sky?

I know that times have changed but when I lived in rural England during my
childhood nine out of ten of the homes in Chedworth wouldn't have been able
to afford Sky if it was availabe then (and we weren't far from the border
with Wales so was exyrapolating slightly). Shee-it, I had to go all the way
to a 'rich part' of Sussex to see my first colour TV and then it was years
before one came to Chedworth.

Anyway, since when was Wales in "rural England"? We used to go on holiday to
the back of beyond in Wales and they seemed even poorer than folks at home.

> Because country areas were the first to lose analogue broadcasting
> almost every house has sprouted a dish. Many are for Freesat but I
> would say that the majority, given the national obsession with
> football, have Sky.

Times sure have changed then. Back when I lived in The Cotswolds nobody gave
a monkeys about football, other than to play it at school. In fact IIRC more
boys played hockey than football at St. Andrews.

I guess my knowledge of the areas and mores is just too dated.

brafield

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Apr 20, 2012, 12:29:24 AM4/20/12
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On Apr 18, 12:25 am, Timmy <Ti...@to.ms> wrote:
>
> The Welsh language nazis have created a lot of makey uppey Welsh place names in
> recent years.  Not that it matters, no one uses them.

Welsh speakers do. Gotta problem wid dat, bro'?

Sir Tim

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Apr 20, 2012, 3:17:32 AM4/20/12
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"~misfit~" <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Back when I lived in The Cotswolds nobody gave
> a monkeys about football, other than to play it at school.

Happy days ;-)

~misfit~

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Apr 20, 2012, 4:57:25 AM4/20/12
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs Sir Tim wrote:
LOL, happy days indeed.

This thread got me to thinking (yeah, yeah...). A while back I was trying to
list the schoold I attended on Facebook (family made me sign up!) and I
couldn't find one of them listed. Also, Google didn't help (at the time), it
was quite bemusing. After posting the above I went to Wiki to read up on
Gloucestershire, followed a few links and found the reason why:

"Northleach did have a "long standing" (Westwoods) Grammar School, now
demolished. The westwood community centre now stands there."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northleach

:( I loved that school. It has a lot of happy memories. My first proper
kiss (Gods she was gorgeous!), I remember the first time I looked at a girls
legs and my blood re-arranged its distribution in my body. Until then legs
were just legs.... Also it was the site of my first success with reverse
psychology at controlling a mob.

("New boys" were bog-flushed, amongst other things, as part of the old
rituals places like that had. When they came to drag me off to the bogs I
told them there was no need for anyone to get hurt, I'd come quietly. When
we got there I asked politely if I could examine the stalls, to find a clean
one, and I'd put my own head in if they didn't mind, I didn't want to break
a tooth. Oh, and how far does it need to be? They walked away in disgust! I
was later told by one of the prefects that he thought I was the first in
living memory to get away with *not* being forceably bog-flushed during my
first week at the school.)

I spent so much time in the biology lab, in particular looking at the
African Clawed Toads that I earned the knick-name "Frog".

Happy days indeed. A great old school now no longer exists, in it's place
stands a "Community Centre" <barf>. That makes me very, very sad. After
being a freak at primary school because I was so much brighter than the
other kids, going to Westwoods Grammar was like going home - I was still top
of (most of) my classes but not by anywhere near as much and was
congratulated by the other kids for it rather than ridiculed. It was such a
relief.

Then my family came to NZ where there is no segregation of schoolchildren
according to their ability and I was stuck in a class with kids three years
older and two feet taller than me who bullied and resented me. My new
nick-name was "Pom" and school was never again an enjoyable place to be.
Soon I discovered that rebelling, not doing school-work and acting the clown
made my life so much easier - but blew my future. I was deemed ineligible
for university even though I passed the entrance exams as I'd not completed
the ciriculum.

Ah Westwoods, the best time of my young life, possibly the best time of my
life fullstop. Full of curiousity, surrounded by boundless knowledge and a
much nicer group of boys than I'd known before - not to mention the girls!
Wonderful creatures with hyphenated names and *legs* below their short
skirts who, for some obscure reason wanted to talk, laugh and joke with me -
and kiss me!

<sigh> Happy Days.

John Briggs

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Only 20% can speak Welsh.
--
John Briggs

Timmy

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Apr 20, 2012, 11:43:23 AM4/20/12
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John Briggs wrote...
100% are being taught Welsh. Even though, interest in the Welsh language is
waning and has to be propped up by legislation and loadsa money. There are too
many interested parties who stand to lose their livelihoods if the language
died the natural death it deserves.
I've a friend who was a Welsh language science teacher. He never used Welsh at
home and his children didn't go to a Welsh language school.


John Briggs

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Apr 20, 2012, 12:09:14 PM4/20/12
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On 20/04/2012 16:43, Timmy wrote:
> John Briggs wrote...
>
>>
>> On 20/04/2012 05:29, brafield wrote:
>>> On Apr 18, 12:25 am, Timmy<Ti...@to.ms> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Welsh language nazis have created a lot of makey uppey Welsh place names in
>>>> recent years. Not that it matters, no one uses them.
>>>
>>> Welsh speakers do. Gotta problem wid dat, bro'?
>>
>> Only 20% can speak Welsh.
>
> 100% are being taught Welsh. Even though, interest in the Welsh language is
> waning and has to be propped up by legislation and loadsa money. There are too
> many interested parties who stand to lose their livelihoods if the language
> died the natural death it deserves.

No, you are missing the point - that 20% is neither increasing nor
decreasing. The language is *not* waning - but neither is its usage
increasing.

> I've a friend who was a Welsh language science teacher. He never used Welsh at
> home and his children didn't go to a Welsh language school.

That's rather unusual - but many Welsh-speakers prefer their children to
have English as a first language.
--
John Briggs

Timmy

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Apr 20, 2012, 12:50:46 PM4/20/12
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John Briggs wrote...

>
> On 20/04/2012 16:43, Timmy wrote:
> > John Briggs wrote...
> >
> >>
> >> On 20/04/2012 05:29, brafield wrote:
> >>> On Apr 18, 12:25 am, Timmy<Ti...@to.ms> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The Welsh language nazis have created a lot of makey uppey Welsh place names in
> >>>> recent years. Not that it matters, no one uses them.
> >>>
> >>> Welsh speakers do. Gotta problem wid dat, bro'?
> >>
> >> Only 20% can speak Welsh.
> >
> > 100% are being taught Welsh. Even though, interest in the Welsh language is
> > waning and has to be propped up by legislation and loadsa money. There are too
> > many interested parties who stand to lose their livelihoods if the language
> > died the natural death it deserves.
>
> No, you are missing the point - that 20% is neither increasing nor
> decreasing. The language is *not* waning - but neither is its usage
> increasing.


Street usage is decreasing, noticeably so.
The % you're quoting comes from slanted questions in the census. They don't
ask if anyone uses the language outside of the house.


>
> > I've a friend who was a Welsh language science teacher. He never used Welsh at
> > home and his children didn't go to a Welsh language school.
>
> That's rather unusual - but many Welsh-speakers prefer their children to
> have English as a first language.


Yup. Why bother with a language no one else can be arsed with.









John Briggs

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Apr 20, 2012, 1:37:58 PM4/20/12
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On 20/04/2012 17:50, Timmy wrote:
> John Briggs wrote...
>
>>
>> On 20/04/2012 16:43, Timmy wrote:
>>> John Briggs wrote...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/04/2012 05:29, brafield wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 18, 12:25 am, Timmy<Ti...@to.ms> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Welsh language nazis have created a lot of makey uppey Welsh place names in
>>>>>> recent years. Not that it matters, no one uses them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Welsh speakers do. Gotta problem wid dat, bro'?
>>>>
>>>> Only 20% can speak Welsh.
>>>
>>> 100% are being taught Welsh. Even though, interest in the Welsh language is
>>> waning and has to be propped up by legislation and loadsa money. There are too
>>> many interested parties who stand to lose their livelihoods if the language
>>> died the natural death it deserves.
>>
>> No, you are missing the point - that 20% is neither increasing nor
>> decreasing. The language is *not* waning - but neither is its usage
>> increasing.
>
> Street usage is decreasing, noticeably so.
> The % you're quoting comes from slanted questions in the census. They don't
> ask if anyone uses the language outside of the house.

The point is that it is neither increasing or decreasing.
--
John Briggs

Bigbird

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Apr 20, 2012, 7:54:25 PM4/20/12
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John Briggs wrote:

> On 20/04/2012 17:50, Timmy wrote:
> > John Briggs wrote...
> >
> > >
> > > On 20/04/2012 16:43, Timmy wrote:
> > > > John Briggs wrote...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 20/04/2012 05:29, brafield wrote:
> >>>>>On Apr 18, 12:25 am, Timmy<Ti...@to.ms> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Welsh language nazis have created a lot of makey
> > > > > > > uppey Welsh place names in recent years. Not that it
> > > > > > > matters, no one uses them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Welsh speakers do. Gotta problem wid dat, bro'?
> > > > >
> > > > > Only 20% can speak Welsh.
> > > >
> > > > 100% are being taught Welsh. Even though, interest in the
> > > > Welsh language is waning and has to be propped up by
> > > > legislation and loadsa money. There are too many interested
> > > > parties who stand to lose their livelihoods if the language
> > > > died the natural death it deserves.
> > >
> > > No, you are missing the point - that 20% is neither increasing nor
> > > decreasing. The language is not waning - but neither is its usage
> > > increasing.
> >
> > Street usage is decreasing, noticeably so.
> > The % you're quoting comes from slanted questions in the census.
> > They don't ask if anyone uses the language outside of the house.
>
> The point is that it is neither increasing or decreasing.

"it"

Sounds like point scoring rather than a discussion.

Timmy

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Apr 20, 2012, 8:25:10 PM4/20/12
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Bigbird wrote...


>
> "it"
>
> Sounds like point scoring rather than a discussion.


His middle name is Intransigent


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