Austin track?

[John]

So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade ground?

[George]

"John" <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fc8bc835-a33e-40c7...@googlegroups.com...

> So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade
> ground?

Andretti: Austin circuit is phenomenal
http://www.racer.com/andretti-austin-circuit-is-phenomenal/article/264655/

[AC]

John wrote:
> So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade ground?
>

Well, it look interesting. The pundits are all excited. You wont get
more than that until Friday.

--
AC

[build]

> AC

True but just "looks interesting" is a bit of an understatement. It looks very damned good and I'm hoping it is as good as it looks.

beers,

[News]

City of Austin just annexed the facility and surrounding land for tax
revenue purposes. Simple money grab. Surrounding residents be fooked.

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/austin-annexes-circuit-of-the-americas/nS2fF/

[George]

"News" <Ne...@Group.Name> wrote in message news:k7lnvd$4c6$1...@dont-email.me...

Why shouldn't they? The taxpayers heavily subsidize the
event's existence. Have a complaint? Next time build the
track in the middle of the dessert far from any supporting
infrastructure and see how profitable and ultimately
successful that standalone approach works.

[News]

No reason they shouldn't have. Surrounding residents still be foooooooked.

[Noj]

News wrote ...

>
>
> No reason they shouldn't have. Surrounding residents still be foooooooked.

Haven't the circuit owners already stolen the water supplies from
surrounding owners?

Great Democracy - my arse.

[Bigbird]

I can't remember the last time a circuit was panned before a wheel was
turned. Shit, some still get excited about Singasnore. I agree, that it
will be interesting to see what it's like but there is little value to
the speculation.

[John Briggs]

On 10/11/2012 14:39, George wrote:
>
> Why shouldn't they? The taxpayers heavily subsidize the
> event's existence. Have a complaint? Next time build the
> track in the middle of the dessert far from any supporting
> infrastructure and see how profitable and ultimately
> successful that standalone approach works.

Never on a Sundae?
--
John Briggs

[Andrew Smallshaw]

On 2012-11-10, John <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade ground?

I predict it will be as dull as ditch water. Look at the layout
- it seems to be very much a point-and-squirt circuit with all
those straights separated by hairpins. In particular the hairpins
on both ends of the main straight effectively rob any speed going
in to or out of it - that makes it a drag race along there, nothing
more.

The only plus side is that the field will be nicely mixed up, given
Grosjean is pretty much guaranteed to take out half a dozen cars
at that first hairpin.

--
Andrew Smallshaw
and...@sdf.lonestar.org

[brafield]

On 9 Nov, 17:48, John <qwrtz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade ground?

I'd like to see a NASCAR race on it before I decide.
I'd like to see a NASCAR race on it, anyway!

[Bigbird]

NASCAR are a poor spectacle on tight road circuits and IMO an extremely
poor way to grade a circuit.

[News]

Aussie V8s then...

[Noj]

News wrote ...


>
> Aussie V8s then...


If you can cope with the whine

[News]

Digital Signal Processing

[George]

"Andrew Smallshaw" <and...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote in message
news:slrn3vfsk9tbb...@sdf.lonestar.org...

Right, what in the hell would a well respected, world
renowned and multi series champion, including a WDC
title, know about it anyway. ;^)

[Bigbird]

Loving your fresh faced naivity.

[Bobster]

On Nov 10, 7:26 am, "George" <Pa...@thepump.com> wrote:
> "John" <qwrtz...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:fc8bc835-a33e-40c7...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade
> > ground?
>

> Andretti: Austin circuit is phenomenalhttp://www.racer.com/andretti-austin-circuit-is-phenomenal/article/26...

With all due respect to Andretti he is not in a position to know what
it's going to be like on that track with 24 F1 cars heading for the
first corner, or with another driver up your jacksie trying hard to
get past. He's never driven anything as fast as a modern F1 car, and
even if he got a drive in a 2 year old F1 car he wouldn't be giving it
full beans and, at his age and with his current driving experience,
probably wouldn't be able to.

It was Jacques Villeneuve (IIRC) who said that the Hungaroring is a
great track to drive but not a great track to race on. So that
somebody drives some laps of a track by himself only tells part of the
story.

We'll find out soon enough.

[Bobster]

On Nov 10, 4:47 pm, News <N...@Group.Name> wrote:
> On 11/10/2012 9:39 AM, George wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > "News" <N...@Group.Name> wrote in messagenews:k7lnvd$4c6$1...@dont-email.me...

> >> On 11/10/2012 8:19 AM, build wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:09:45 AM UTC+11, AC wrote:
> >>>> John wrote:
> >>>>> So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just
> >>>>> another parade ground?
> >>>> Well, it look interesting. The pundits are all excited. You wont get
> >>>> more than that until Friday.
> >>>> AC
>
> >>> True but just "looks interesting" is a bit of an understatement. It looks
> >>> very damned good and I'm hoping it is as good as it looks.
>
> >>> beers,
>
> >> City of Austin just annexed the facility and surrounding land for tax
> >> revenue purposes.  Simple money grab.  Surrounding residents be fooked.
>

> >>http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/austin-annexes...

>
> > Why shouldn't they? The taxpayers heavily subsidize the
> > event's existence. Have a complaint? Next time build the
> > track in the middle of the dessert far from any supporting
> > infrastructure and see how profitable and ultimately
> > successful that standalone approach works.
>
> No reason they shouldn't have.  Surrounding residents still be foooooooked.

Really? I think the argument for annexation has some merit to it. COA
will cause a huge traffic increase in the neighbourhood and
potentially increase the load on various municipal services. Why
shouldn't they pay into the kitty that pays for all the services?

[News]

They'll pay, surrounding residents and the nearby EMS unit which sees
all of its funding "stolen" are completely fooooooooooooked.

[George]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ag9246...@mid.individual.net...

****************************

Probably not nearly so much as my admiration for such
patronizingly expressed, pretentious superciliousness. ;^)

[George]

"Bobster" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8e3a546b-a2f3-4fcf...@h9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

On Nov 10, 7:26 am, "George" <Pa...@thepump.com> wrote:
> "John" <qwrtz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fc8bc835-a33e-40c7...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade
> > ground?
>
> Andretti: Austin circuit is
> phenomenalhttp://www.racer.com/andretti-austin-circuit-is-phenomenal/article/26...

With all due respect to Andretti he is not in a position to know what
it's going to be like on that track with 24 F1 cars heading for the
first corner, or with another driver up your jacksie trying hard to
get past. He's never driven anything as fast as a modern F1 car, and
even if he got a drive in a 2 year old F1 car he wouldn't be giving it
full beans and, at his age and with his current driving experience,
probably wouldn't be able to.

*****************************

Correct, he doesn't have the experience, knowledge
that conditions are not the same and hence the insight
of a pretentiously supercilious usenet poster. I'm sure
that he, as would the designers of the (not a modified
street course, but) newly built, single purpose track, no
doubt be most appreciative of such invaluable tutelage.

It was Jacques Villeneuve (IIRC) who said that the Hungaroring is a
great track to drive but not a great track to race on. So that
somebody drives some laps of a track by himself only tells part of the
story.

*********************************

Exactly, quite unlike that tired, lucky and largely forgotten
old man, now THERE'S a respected, quotable authority
who KNOWS what he is talking about.

We'll find out soon enough.

*********************************

Yes, you'll have an opportunity to eat your words soon, and
should you possess the requisite character, actually admit it. ;^)

[Bigbird]

To identify it as pretentious one would have to comprehend why I said
what I said. As you clearly don't then not only is my coommet apt but
your response is itself nothing but pretentious.

[George]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:ag9rlh...@mid.individual.net...

Seems to me that if there exists a desire to be understood then
it is incumbent upon an author to write intelligibly such that no
doubt is left concerning the intention of his or her words (some
thing you've still not accomplished). Attempting to place blame
on the reader for one's own incoherence again raises the facade
of superciliousness, which you've also failed to deign to address.

[John Briggs]

The point is that none of us has a clue as to whether the track will be
any good for F1 racing - and I suspect nobody else has either. We will
only know when the race happens.
--
John Briggs

[Bobster]

On Nov 11, 3:34 pm, "George" <Pa...@thepump.com> wrote:
> "Bobster" <megap...@gmail.com> wrote in message

So what do YOU think about the track? Come on! Surely you'll go on
record before hand and have the requisite character to deal with
whatever eventuates?

[Darryl Johnson]

There you go, trying to be reasonable. You just *know* that approach
isn't going to fly here.

Come on; get with the program: say something indefensibly radical and
watch the sparks fly. (And of you can manage to be vague and yet
hinting at insider knowledge, that would be even better.)

[Bobster]

On Nov 11, 2:53 pm, News <N...@Group.Name> wrote:
<snip>

> > Really? I think the argument for annexation has some merit to it. COA
> > will cause a huge traffic increase in the neighbourhood and
> > potentially increase the load on various municipal services. Why
> > shouldn't they pay into the kitty that pays for all the services?
>
> They'll pay, surrounding residents and the nearby EMS unit which sees
> all of its funding "stolen" are completely fooooooooooooked.

Well I'm not sure quite what you point is here. There's an interesting
exercise to be done here, which is to take the area to be annexed
(which consists mostly of COA-owned property) and look it up in google
maps and see how many likely residential properties you can see
outside of COA-owned land.

This is NOT screwing the residents. Indeed it's likely to swell the
public coffers substantially.

[John Briggs]

I'll stick my neck out and say that I don't think it will work. Everyone
says they like the natural changes in level, so it will probably be a
good drive, but I don't think it will work for racing. I think two
hairpins is at least one too many. It will probably produce a boring
race like Delhi.
--
John Briggs

[John Briggs]

It's hard to think anything indefensibly radical to say - the track
*looks* as if it ought to be good, which probably means that it won't be...
--
John Briggs

[News]

The point is that Austin does not appear prepared to provide the area to
be annexed with all the facilities and services that are provided within
the existing city limits, and contrary to the usual justification,
actually plans to defund the Fire/EMS unit already established in that area.

The residents will now be taxed, receive less services, and as before,
are fooked by COTA crowds and traffic.

[George]

"Bobster" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:a71ba854-a6df-43a1...@p11g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...

***********************************

Not possessing the necessary expertise, nor requiring or
desiring the ego stroking that motivates one to regale the
masses with the expression of my amateurish opinion, I
accordingly yeild to consultants in such manners and would
be (slightly) more surprised if they were wrong than right. ;^)

[George]

"Darryl Johnson" <Darryl_...@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:k7ojbh$l4t$1...@dont-email.me...

> There you go, trying to be reasonable. You just *know* that approach isn't
> going to fly here.
>
> Come on; get with the program: say something indefensibly radical and
> watch the sparks fly. (And of you can manage to be vague and yet hinting
> at insider knowledge, that would be even better.)

**********************************

Now THAT'S the spirit! ;^)

[George]

"Bobster" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:c3bd720b-69ae-427b...@u9g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...

**********************************

+1, as the kids say ;^)

[News]

-1 from the POV of annexed residents...

[George]

"News" <Ne...@Groups.Post> wrote in message
news:k7ol5m$192$1...@dont-email.me...

Generally defined as those (if as in most small, outlying
communities) who largely commute to, work in and are
supplied by the metropolitan areas they live adjacent to
and pay no taxes in.

[News]

Most of them are in agriculture, if that's what you mean...

[George]

"News" <Ne...@Group.Name> wrote in message news:k7omeo$9vn$1...@dont-email.me...

>>>> Well I'm not sure quite what you point is here. There's an interesting
>>>> exercise to be done here, which is to take the area to be annexed
>>>> (which consists mostly of COA-owned property) and look it up in google
>>>> maps and see how many likely residential properties you can see
>>>> outside of COA-owned land.
>>>>
>>>> This is NOT screwing the residents. Indeed it's likely to swell the
>>>> public coffers substantially.
>>>> **********************************
>>>>
>>>> +1, as the kids say ;^)
>>>
>>> -1 from the POV of annexed residents...
>>
>> Generally defined as those (if as in most small, outlying
>> communities) who largely commute to, work in and are
>> supplied by the metropolitan areas they live adjacent to
>> and pay no taxes in.
>
> Most of them are in agriculture, if that's what you mean...

I was referring to the general case of non-agricultural
suburbanites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suburbanite

[News]

I'm speaking of nearby COTA residents just annexed.

[George]

"News" <Ne...@Group.Name> wrote in message news:k7omeo$9vn$1...@dont-email.me...

Such an inferrence (that annexation would negatively affect
those engaged in agricultural pursuits) would seem to run
counter to statements in this article:

"Council members on Thursday annexed about 1,521 acres, 73 acres
less than what they considered in October. Most of the annexed
land is owned by Circuit of the Americas. The rest is state-owned
land south of Pearce Lane.

The city also entered into an agreement with a landowner between
the circuit and state land that allows the landowner to use the land
for agriculture in exchange for not being annexed, city planner
Virginia Collier said. If the landowner develops on the property,
the city can begin annexation proceedings, she said."
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/austin-annexes-circuit-of-the-americas/nS2fF/

[George]

"George" <Pa...@thepump.com> wrote in message
news:k7oof9$a4r$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

>>>>> This is NOT screwing the residents. Indeed it's likely to swell the
>>>>> public coffers substantially.
>>>>> **********************************
>>>>>
>>>>> +1, as the kids say ;^)
>>>>
>>>> -1 from the POV of annexed residents...
>>>
>>> Generally defined as those (if as in most small, outlying
>>> communities) who largely commute to, work in and are
>>> supplied by the metropolitan areas they live adjacent to
>>> and pay no taxes in.
>>
>> Most of them are in agriculture, if that's what you mean...
>
> Such an inferrence (that annexation would negatively affect
> those engaged in agricultural pursuits) would seem to run
> counter to statements in this article:
>
> "Council members on Thursday annexed about 1,521 acres, 73 acres
> less than what they considered in October. Most of the annexed
> land is owned by Circuit of the Americas. The rest is state-owned
> land south of Pearce Lane.
>
> The city also entered into an agreement with a landowner between
> the circuit and state land that allows the landowner to use the land
> for agriculture in exchange for not being annexed, city planner
> Virginia Collier said. If the landowner develops on the property,
> the city can begin annexation proceedings, she said."
> http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/austin-annexes-circuit-of-the-americas/nS2fF/

Graphical depiction of annexed land:
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/615/img/photos/2012/11/08/06/0c/web110912_F1_annexation.jpg

[Bigbird]

Oh dear have we learnt a new word today and are so desperate to use it
that we have no concerns for doing so appropriately.

If you failed to understand that I thought you naive then that is your
problem.

If you wish to know why you only need to ask.

Raising the notion of incoherence simply continues your theme of
hypocrisy.

[Bigbird]

By consultant are you again referring to the celebrity hired by the
promoter to endorse the circuit?

Your naivity is highly amusing.

[George]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:aga8ss...@mid.individual.net...

The continuance of your laughably inappropriate pretentious
superciliousness comes as no surprise whatsoever, nor would
I suspect that anyone, myself included, possibly care less as to
what your minor intellect so incompetently, pathetically, feebly,
repeatedly and unsuccessfully attempted yet failed to relate.

[George]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:aga940...@mid.individual.net...

You can rest assured in the most certain knowledge that neither
any referenced consultant nor celebrity could possibly be you.

[Bigbird]

Fuck me, when it comes to incoherence and hypocrisy you have done
sterling job of rising to the bottom of the barrel.

[Bigbird]

Did someone say pretentious?

Your attempts to disguise your lack of intellect have
failed...miserably.

[George]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:agacgi...@mid.individual.net...

How might any mere mortal such as myself possibly
contest or dispute such a convincingly supported,
devastatingly elucidated, earnestly reasoned, elegantly
presented, spurious and deluded rebuttal such as that?

[Bigbird]

The truth has outed you George.

Goodnight Fuckwit!

[geoff]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:agacgi...@mid.individual.net...
>
> Did someone say pretentious?


Pretentious - moi ?!!!

geoff

[geoff]

"Bobster" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:8e3a546b-a2f3-4fcf...@h9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

On Nov 10, 7:26 am, "George" <Pa...@thepump.com> wrote:
> "John" <qwrtz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fc8bc835-a33e-40c7...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade
> > ground?
>
> Andretti: Austin circuit is
> phenomenalhttp://www.racer.com/andretti-austin-circuit-is-phenomenal/article/26...

With all due respect to Andretti he is not in a position to know what
it's going to be like on that track with 24 F1 cars heading for the
first corner, or with another driver up your jacksie trying hard to
get past.

*********************************************

F'n better position to know than you or I.

geoff

[Sir Tim]

"George" <Pa...@thepump.com> wrote:

> The continuance of your laughably inappropriate pretentious
> superciliousness comes as no surprise whatsoever, nor would
> I suspect that anyone, myself included, possibly care less as to
> what your minor intellect so incompetently, pathetically, feebly,
> repeatedly and unsuccessfully attempted yet failed to relate.

OMG.

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[Sir Tim]

John Briggs <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> I'll stick my neck out and say that I don't think it will work. Everyone
> says they like the natural changes in level, so it will probably be a
> good drive, but I don't think it will work for racing. I think two
> hairpins is at least one too many. It will probably produce a boring race like Delhi.

But was the Delhi race boring (to all but build that is) simply because of
the circuit? I seem to remember that last year's Indian GP was quite good.

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[Sir Tim]

John Briggs <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> The point is that none of us has a clue as to whether the track will be
> any good for F1 racing - and I suspect nobody else has either. We will
> only know when the race happens.

I agree, John.
(what *am* I saying? :-))

--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[News]

-1

"The annexation by the city takes the circuit out of southeastern Travis
County�s Emergency Service District No. 11, costing the district a huge
source of revenue for the area, while adding traffic jams and large
crowds when races are held.

Ken Bailey, chief of the area�s Travis County Fire Rescue, said he hopes
Austin will enter into a revenue-sharing agreement with his fire
department, which has a station near the circuit on Elroy Road.

Bailey�s department is funded solely on property and sales taxes from
the district.

�How are we going to get resources to the community when the roads are
closed? The only way to do that is to stage people ahead of time,�
Bailey said Thursday.

The department estimates that putting fire trucks and personnel in the
neighborhoods near the circuit ahead of events could cost as much as
$300,000 a year, Bailey said. �We have more risk and less tax dollars.�

[Noj]

George wrote ...

>
> The continuance of your laughably inappropriate pretentious
> superciliousness comes as no surprise whatsoever, nor would
> I suspect that anyone, myself included, possibly care less as to
> what your minor intellect so incompetently, pathetically, feebly,
> repeatedly and unsuccessfully attempted yet failed to relate.

Can we have the URL of your bullshit generator ?

[Sir Tim]

LOL
(I see much fun ahead with this guy!)
--
Henry Birkin, Bt.

[George]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:agaegh...@mid.individual.net...

Whatever you say, bird brain. You will of course however
realize that I do consider the source.

> Goodnight Fuckwit!

Your mirror will no doubt appreciate your departing salutation.

[George]

"Sir Tim" <ben...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote in message
news:461531572374357986.75134...@news.plus.net...

And will every driver concur each and every (assuming
more than one) year in a single, unanimous conclusion?
Will the teams? How about the paying attendees, the
broadcasters, the remote viewers, the sponsors -
including Austin's city fathers, residents, commuters ...?

[George]

"Noj" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.2b0a26946...@news.aioe.org...

A large quantity of putrid horseshit eminates from here:
SUIVRWlILYJT5ZL6UFd8hg.user.speranza.aioe.org

[George]

"Sir Tim" <ben...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote in message

news:121501124374363969.91473...@news.plus.net...

The pleasure of course undoubtedly continuing to be all mine.

[George]

"News" <Ne...@Group.Name> wrote in message news:k7p3kf$tcm$1...@dont-email.me...

>>>> Generally defined as those (if as in most small, outlying
>>>> communities) who largely commute to, work in and are
>>>> supplied by the metropolitan areas they live adjacent to
>>>> and pay no taxes in.
>>>
>>> Most of them are in agriculture, if that's what you mean...
>>
>> Such an inferrence (that annexation would negatively affect
>> those engaged in agricultural pursuits) would seem to run
>> counter to statements in this article:
>>
>> "Council members on Thursday annexed about 1,521 acres, 73 acres
>> less than what they considered in October. Most of the annexed
>> land is owned by Circuit of the Americas. The rest is state-owned
>> land south of Pearce Lane.
>>
>> The city also entered into an agreement with a landowner between
>> the circuit and state land that allows the landowner to use the land
>> for agriculture in exchange for not being annexed, city planner
>> Virginia Collier said. If the landowner develops on the property,
>> the city can begin annexation proceedings, she said."
>> http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/austin-annexes-circuit-of-the-americas/nS2fF/
>
> -1
>
> "The annexation by the city takes the circuit out of southeastern Travis

> County's Emergency Service District No. 11, costing the district a huge

> source of revenue for the area,

The complaint now is that revenue is denied a small special interest
and instead put into the coffers of those represented by a massively
larger population, i.e., those who will be much greater affected by
the events existence?

> while adding traffic jams and large crowds
> when races are held.
>

> Ken Bailey, chief of the area's Travis County Fire Rescue, said he hopes

> Austin will enter into a revenue-sharing agreement with his fire
> department, which has a station near the circuit on Elroy Road.
>

> Bailey's department is funded solely on property and sales taxes from the
> district.

Whose residents are largely to wholly dependent on the
presence of the adjacent large city.

> "How are we going to get resources to the community when the roads are

> closed? The only way to do that is to stage people ahead of time," Bailey
> said Thursday.

If not Austin, from where might he expect those resources
to originate?

> The department estimates that putting fire trucks and personnel in the
> neighborhoods near the circuit ahead of events could cost as much as

> $300,000 a year, Bailey said. "We have more risk and less tax dollars."

Then again it's somewhat unclear as to which land the above
quotes are referring to: "The city of Austin had considered
annexing the property last year but backed off after deciding
it made more to sense to wait until the land was further
developed, a city spokesman said at the time".

The article and map clearly define that only the COTA land
is affected by the annexation, with the agricultural land to
the north being exempt unless improved: "If the landowner

develops on the property, the city can begin annexation
proceedings, she said."

As well as this statement at the bottom of the article:
"Correction: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said the
city annexed private land near Circuit of the Americas. The city
entered into an agreement with the landowner that allows the
land to not be annexed but still used for contiguous annexation."

[Noj]

George wrote ...

Banging one off whilst reading a thesaurus. Suppose there's a first for
everything.

[News]

Whatever you say, Tavo.

[George]

"Noj" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message

news:MPG.2b0a3ef9c...@news.aioe.org...

Thanx for the update on your current activities and all, but
what is it that motivates one to inform others (although I most
sincerely doubt that it's a first time for someone of your ilk).

[John Briggs]

It may have been one of those races where something seemed about to
happen - but never quite did.
--
John Briggs

[John Briggs]

Not necessarily - a track can be fantastic to drive on, but be imposible
to overtake on in the race. *Nobody* can be certain until a race takes
place. (I have a horrible feeling it might be one of those places where
there are exciting support races...)
--
John Briggs

[News]

And WAY too much paint on WAY too much paved surface off track. Another
Tilkedrome skidpadring where Seb will take four-off over the limit.

[George]

"John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1MXns.1266$GX....@fx01.am4...

> On 11/11/2012 20:08, geoff wrote:
>>
>> "Bobster"<mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8e3a546b-a2f3-4fcf...@h9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 10, 7:26 am, "George"<Pa...@thepump.com> wrote:
>>> "John"<qwrtz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:fc8bc835-a33e-40c7...@googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade
>>>> ground?
>>>
>>> Andretti: Austin circuit is
>>> phenomenalhttp://www.racer.com/andretti-austin-circuit-is-phenomenal/article/26...
>>
>> With all due respect to Andretti he is not in a position to know what
>> it's going to be like on that track with 24 F1 cars heading for the
>> first corner, or with another driver up your jacksie trying hard to
>> get past.
>> *********************************************
>>
>> F'n better position to know than you or I.
>
> Not necessarily - a track can be fantastic to drive on, but be imposible
> to overtake on in the race.

To name just one other variable, that's also dependent
upon the cars themselves. And in that regard, where
would F1 be today without KERS and DRS?

[geoff]

"News" <Ne...@Group.Name> wrote in message news:k7pima$n5k$1...@dont-email.me...

India had shit-loads of paved and painted off-track areas - and that was a
fantastic race ...

geoff

[Bigbird]

Mummy should have told you not to share your address on a public forum.

[Alan Baker]

In article <1MXns.1266$GX....@fx01.am4>,

Actually, yes: necessarily Mario Andretti--Formula One champion, IndyCar
champion, Indy 500 winner, 12 Hours of Sebring winner, Daytona 500
winner...

...that man is necessarily in a better position to evaluate the track
than you, or Geoff, or I.

He may be wrong, but he is clearly WAY out of our league in experience.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[AC]

Bigbird wrote:
> AC wrote:

>
>> John wrote:
>>> So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another
>>> parade ground?
>>>
>>

>> Well, it look interesting. The pundits are all excited. You wont get
>> more than that until Friday.
>
> I can't remember the last time a circuit was panned before a wheel was
> turned. Shit, some still get excited about Singasnore. I agree, that it
> will be interesting to see what it's like but there is little value to
> the speculation.
>

Indeed. On top of that I have my Hungarian thing. Looks shite, has no
business being there (well, you know), yet more often than not, an
interesting race. On the other hand, Silverstone looks like it should be
a classic every year, but often a boring race. Mean while, the majority
of fans are only too happy to accept Monaco.

There is no way to predict this. And even if this first race is poor,
there is not reason it might not produce a storming race next season.

I've got my fingers crossed for it, I want a great race in the US. It
looks like they have done what they can to help that happen. What more
can be asked?

--
AC

[FB]

"John" <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote
news:fc8bc835-a33e-40c7...@googlegroups.com...

> So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade
> ground?
>

I'll be surprised if the track isn't full of potholes on saturday...

FB

[News]

Another Tilkedrome skidpadring where Seb took four-off over the limit.

[News]

Remarkable progress since January 2012. Just hope it isn't a Potemkin
Village.

[George]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:agbg71...@mid.individual.net...

Wholly unsurprisingly, that too flew higher than the exosphere
over his miniscule pinhead.

[Bigbird]

One can't help but be surprised that you are unable to comprehend the
nature of the simplest utterance when you are struggling with both
spelling and grammar to such an extent as to make your flowery
utterances nonsensical.

You are but a pretentious windbag who is so given over to making a fool
of himself as to have forgotten what he was entirely wrong about in the
first place.

[Bigbird]

George wrote:

> "Noj" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2b0a3ef9c...@news.aioe.org...
> > George wrote ...
> > >
> >>"Sir Tim" <ben...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:121501124374363969.91473...@news.plus.n
> > > et...
> >>> Noj <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >>>> George wrote ...
> > >
> >>>>> The continuance of your laughably inappropriate pretentious
> >>>>> superciliousness comes as no surprise whatsoever, nor would
> >>>>> I suspect that anyone, myself included, possibly care less as to
> >>>>> what your minor intellect so incompetently, pathetically,
> feebly, >>>>> repeatedly and unsuccessfully attempted yet failed to
> relate.
> > >
> >>>> Can we have the URL of your bullshit generator ?
> > >
> >>> LOL
> >>> (I see much fun ahead with this guy!)
> >>> -- > Henry Birkin, Bt.
> > >
> > > The pleasure of course undoubtedly continuing to be all mine.
> >
> > Banging one off whilst reading a thesaurus. Suppose there's a
> > first for everything.
>
> Thanx

Oh, when the veil of pretention slips.

> for the update on your current activities and all, but
> what is it that motivates one to inform others (although I most
> sincerely doubt that it's a first time for someone of your ilk).

I take it you live near an airport...or more correctly, think that you
do.

[Gene]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:agcghr...@mid.individual.net...

> George wrote:
>
>> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:agbg71...@mid.individual.net...
>> > George wrote:
>> >
>> >>"Noj" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> > > news:MPG.2b0a26946...@news.aioe.org...
>> >>> George wrote ...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The continuance of your laughably inappropriate pretentious
>> >>> > superciliousness comes as no surprise whatsoever, nor would
>> >>> > I suspect that anyone, myself included, possibly care less as to
>> >>> > what your minor intellect so incompetently, pathetically,
>> feebly, >>> > repeatedly and unsuccessfully attempted yet failed to
>> relate.
>> > > >
>> >>> Can we have the URL of your bullshit generator ?
>> > >
>> > > A large quantity of putrid horseshit eminates from here:
>> > > SUIVRWlILYJT5ZL6UFd8hg.user.speranza.aioe.org
>> >
>> > Mummy should have told you not to share your address on a public
>> > forum.
>>
>> Wholly unsurprisingly, that too flew higher than the exosphere
>> over his miniscule pinhead.
>
> One can't help but be surprised that you are unable to comprehend the
> nature of the simplest utterance

Is that yet another pathetically feeble attempt at an intelligible
explanation for your continuing, always incoherent screeds?

> when you are struggling with both
> spelling and grammar to such an extent as to make your flowery
> utterances nonsensical.

I unabashedly make mistakes due to my difficulties typing
while roaring at your unintentionally hilarious responses. But
if in fact your otherwise empty, miserable existence is so
conspicuously impoverished, wanting and devoid of actual
meaning that for it to afford you any value whatsoever you
desperately resort to cruising newsgroups for superciliously
perceived errors in spelling, grammar, diction or punctuation
(therewith providing your sole raison d'etre), then far be it
from me to deny you that crucial, pretentious perquisite.

> I'm but a pretentious windbag who is so given over to making a fool
> of myself as to have forgotten what I was entirely wrong about in the
> first place.

Fixed it for you.

[Gene]

"Gene" <gene....@home.com> wrote in message
news:k7r59j$4ms$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

(Now to asee if he's again totally flummoxed, this time by a nym shift).

;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^)
;^)

[George]

"Sir Tim" <ben...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote in message
news:121501124374363969.91473...@news.plus.net...

So NOj, your moribund quiescence is leading me in the
direction of thinking that like Paul, despite his protestations
otherwise, you're actually, unlike me, neither entertained
nor having all that much fun.

[George]

Georgie Porgee Pigface wrote:

I'm but a pretentious windbag who is so given over to making a fool
of myself as to have forgotten what I was entirely wrong about in
the first place.

George Gender Bender

[Bigbird]

Your honesty is disarming. I shall leave you to enjoy your humilated
state.

That is why you do this isn't it, masochistic machination designed to
satisfy an urge to be publically humiliated.

[Bigbird]

Gene wrote:

> (Now to asee if he's again totally flummoxed, this time by a nym
> shift).
>
> ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^) ;^)
> ;^) ;^)

As convincing as a child claiming he pissed his pants on purpose. Enjoy
your humiliation.

[Noj]

George wrote ...

"Do not argue with an idiot they drag you down to their level and beat
you with experience."

[Gene]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:agcolt...@mid.individual.net...

> George wrote:
>
>> Georgie Porgee Pigface wrote:

My but that's an imaginably clever sobriquet, for a 3rd grader.

>> I'm but a pretentious windbag who is so given over to making a fool
>> of myself as to have forgotten what I was entirely wrong about in
>> the first place.
>>
>> George Gender Bender

Again with the sexual innuendo, is that all you can muster?
That obsession seems to be an ongoing theme with those
of your ilk.

> Your honesty is disarming. I shall leave you to enjoy your humilated
> state.
>
> That is why you do this isn't it, masochistic machination designed to
> satisfy an urge to be publically humiliated.

... unlike you, I will not stoop to the desperate, miscreant level
of so transparently and pathetically attempting to fraudulently
impersonate the headers of the very person from whom you
continue to receive such an inarguably embarrassing drubbing.

Btw, neither George, nor Payne, nor Gene, nor Yuss, nor
any part of any substring of those monikers have anything
whatsoever to do with my given name, so do continue
to knock yourself out with that empty exercise as well.

[Gene]

"Noj" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message

news:MPG.2b0b426fc...@news.aioe.org...

When you find yourself in a hole (in which you are so
clearly buried) stop digging (with apologies to W.Rogers).

Sorry to see that you've so easily caved on your promise
to have "much fun". Perhaps the reaon you've so readily
succumbed is due to the bruises you've encurred and your
oh so weak constitution.

[Bigbird]

George Payne Gene Yuss Mary build Anonymous wrote:

> Btw, neither George, nor Payne, nor Gene, nor Yuss, nor
> any part of any substring of those monikers have anything
> whatsoever to do with my given name, so do continue
> to knock yourself out with that empty exercise as well.

Nym shifting is a pointless excercise; *you* clearly cannot escape the
inferences that follow you like a bad smell; your shame is an open
secret.

Like those of your ilk you are soon exposed as the fraud you evidently
wish to disclaim.

As with the scorpion that stung the frog you are the victim of your own
repugnant nature.

[John Briggs]

On 12/11/2012 01:22, George wrote:
> "John Briggs"<john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:1MXns.1266$GX....@fx01.am4...
>> On 11/11/2012 20:08, geoff wrote:
>>>
>>> "Bobster"<mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8e3a546b-a2f3-4fcf...@h9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Nov 10, 7:26 am, "George"<Pa...@thepump.com> wrote:
>>>> "John"<qwrtz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:fc8bc835-a33e-40c7...@googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade
>>>>> ground?
>>>>
>>>> Andretti: Austin circuit is
>>>> phenomenalhttp://www.racer.com/andretti-austin-circuit-is-phenomenal/article/26...
>>>
>>> With all due respect to Andretti he is not in a position to know what
>>> it's going to be like on that track with 24 F1 cars heading for the
>>> first corner, or with another driver up your jacksie trying hard to
>>> get past.
>>> *********************************************
>>>
>>> F'n better position to know than you or I.
>>
>> Not necessarily - a track can be fantastic to drive on, but be imposible
>> to overtake on in the race.
>
> To name just one other variable, that's also dependent
> upon the cars themselves. And in that regard, where
> would F1 be today without KERS and DRS?

DRS is just doing what KERS was supposed to do.
--
John Briggs

[Bigbird]

Gene wrote:

> When you find yourself in a hole (in which you are so
> clearly buried) stop digging (with apologies to W.Rogers).
>

Advice you have evidently taken youself which I assume is why you
failed to directly address the topic of your debilitating naivity.

BTW Your mis-attribution adds to your embarrassment.

PS your no fun because you are boring. You have nothing of interest to
say.

Goodnight Bozo

[George]

"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote in message

news:agcsn9...@mid.individual.net...

> Gene wrote:
>
>> When you find yourself in a hole (in which you are so
>> clearly buried) stop digging (with apologies to W.Rogers).
>
> Advice you have evidently taken youself which I assume is why you
> failed to directly address the topic of your debilitating

> naivity

(sic) http://www.wordnik.com/words/naivity

> BTW Your mis-attribution adds to your embarrassment.

Wholly unsurprisingly (I'm repeating myself, albeit through
no fault of my own) you're wrong yet again.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Will_Rogers

> PS your

(sic)

> no fun because you are boring. You have nothing of interest to
> say.

Or so you claim, however your constant replies serve
to continually betray you and entertain me no end.

> Goodnight Bozo

Does your mirror receive such salutations each and every night?

[Von Fourche]

"Bobster" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8e3a546b-a2f3-4fcf...@h9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 10, 7:26 am, "George" <Pa...@thepump.com> wrote:
> "John" <qwrtz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fc8bc835-a33e-40c7...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade
> > ground?
>
> Andretti: Austin circuit is
> phenomenalhttp://www.racer.com/andretti-austin-circuit-is-phenomenal/article/26...

> With all due respect to Andretti he is not in a position to know what
>it's going to be like on that track with 24 F1 cars heading for the
>first corner, or with another driver up your jacksie trying hard to

>get past. He's never driven anything as fast as a modern F1 car, and
>even if he got a drive in a 2 year old F1 car he wouldn't be giving it
>full beans and, at his age and with his current driving experience,
>probably wouldn't be able to.



But he's an all around winner - F1, Indycar, NASCAR, etc... If you are
going to take anyones opinion Mario would not
be a bad choice. Then again, maybe he's just giving lip service. We have
to remember it's F1 - most likely it will be a boring
track.

[Von Fourche]

"Noj" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message

news:MPG.2b08819e7...@news.aioe.org...
> News wrote ...
>
>>
>>
>> No reason they shouldn't have. Surrounding residents still be
>> foooooooked.
>
>
> Haven't the circuit owners already stolen the water supplies from
> surrounding owners?
>
> Great Democracy - my arse.
>


I wonder how many years this race will last. How healthy is Bernie?
Will he be alive in five or six years? Maybe if he kicks the money bucket
the new F1 leadership will lower the hosting price and Austin might make it
to ten years or more.

[News]

My guess is they will make more money hosting other series and events,
and eventually conclude they can't afford to disrupt their schedule with
an annual gorge-fest for furriners (except those Texan-like Aussies and
their whiney V8s).

[George]

"News" <Ne...@Groups.Post> wrote in message
news:k7rso8$s91$1...@dont-email.me...

Well that's certainly been the more recent history of F1
tracks and events in the U.S.

[News]

And while past performance is no guarantee of future returns...

[Bruce Hoult]

On Sunday, November 11, 2012 1:22:13 PM UTC+13, News wrote:
> On 11/10/2012 5:47 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>
> > brafield wrote:

>
> >
>
> >> On 9 Nov, 17:48, John <qwrtz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another
>
> >>> parade ground?
>
> >>
>

> >> I'd like to see a NASCAR race on it before I decide.
>
> >> I'd like to see a NASCAR race on it, anyway!
>
> >
>
> > NASCAR are a poor spectacle on tight road circuits and IMO an extremely
>
> > poor way to grade a circuit.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Aussie V8s then...

Perhaps you are not aware that the V8 Supercars will be racing at Austin on May 17-19th next year?

[Bobster]

On Nov 11, 3:34 pm, "George" <Pa...@thepump.com> wrote:
> "Bobster" <megap...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:8e3a546b-a2f3-4fcf...@h9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 10, 7:26 am, "George" <Pa...@thepump.com> wrote:
>
> > "John" <qwrtz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:fc8bc835-a33e-40c7...@googlegroups.com...
>

> > > So will the new GP track in Austin be any good, or just another parade
> > > ground?
>

> > Andretti: Austin circuit is
> > phenomenalhttp://www.racer.com/andretti-austin-circuit-is-phenomenal/article/26...
>
>  With all due respect to Andretti he is not in a position to know what
> it's going to be like on that track with 24 F1 cars heading for the
> first corner, or with another driver up your jacksie trying hard to
> get past. He's never driven anything as fast as a modern F1 car, and
> even if he got a drive in a 2 year old F1 car he wouldn't be giving it
> full beans and, at his age and with his current driving experience,
> probably wouldn't be able to.

> *****************************
>
> Correct, he doesn't have the experience, knowledge
> that conditions are not the same and hence the insight
> of a pretentiously supercilious usenet poster. I'm sure
> that he, as would the designers of the (not a modified
> street course, but) newly built, single purpose track, no
> doubt be most appreciative of such invaluable tutelage.

Tutelage?. He's an "ambassador" for COA. Now how do you think he came
to be in that position? Did he just wake up one morning and decide
that he'd go and give those nice people at COA some free insights and
advice?