Mosley's dream...
Goldrusher
of Formula 1 from 2011 according to a document outlining the FIA's proposals
for the future of the sport which have been sent to all current F1
manufacturers, as well as both Ford and Volkswagen-Audi, who may join the
sport in the future.
engines
- 2.2-litre V6 turbocharged
- running on biodiesel fuels
- 770bhp
- restricted to 10,000rpm
- have to last 5 races
other
- kinetic energy recovery system
- traction-control
- four-wheel-drive
- power-boost button, 13 second per lap
- identical bodywork for all the teams
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19163.html
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=39287
Very nice Mosley. Very nice.
Vinci
> Very nice Mosley. Very nice.
IMHO, he is proposing 100, to be sure to obtain at least 15/20 :-)
In the end they'll accept the engine rules and little more. The one thing
I hope nobody will accept is the "power-boost button"....
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Goldrusher wrote:
> - power-boost button, 13 second per lap
"Push to pass".
Takes a regulation and a button to facilitate passing?
Paul Ian Harman
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> - power-boost button, 13 second per lap
> - identical bodywork for all the teams
Can't see either of these happening, but the others all seem okay.
Paul
Phil Newnham
Why don't they just fit the GP2 cars with more powerful engines and
scrap F1?
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David Melville
goldrusher...@telenet.be says...
I disagree with "identical" bodywork. I'll go with "less" bodywork,
however that may be figured out.
Can we not get the F*** rid of TC?
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Dave
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Shevek
Traction control? It has already been banned, starting from the '08 season.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57702
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David Melville
just bob
"Goldrusher" <goldrusher...@telenet.be> wrote in message
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> If adopted, radical new engine regulations could be set to change the
> farce
I just had to fix that first line for you.
Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro
> If adopted, radical new engine regulations could be set to change the face
> of Formula 1 from 2011 according to a document outlining the FIA's proposals
> for the future of the sport which have been sent to all current F1
> manufacturers, as well as both Ford and Volkswagen-Audi, who may join the
> sport in the future.
> engines
> - 2.2-litre V6 turbocharged
Mandated V-angle ? Or will we see again 120º engines ?
> - running on biodiesel fuels
Higher octane rating = higher compression, higher boost or both.
That is nice (and they can say F1 will be carbon-neutral *).
* only the race cars, obviously.
> - 770bhp
Controlled how ? Intake restrictor ? I would like to see a fuel-rate
limiter, but I doubt that will happen. Since there will be a power-boost
button, I suppose there will be a boost limit and that will solely control
the power.
> - restricted to 10,000rpm
> - have to last 5 races
No minimum weight ?
This is actually not too bad an idea for the engine rules. Less cylinders
= less cost. With the turbo that relatively low amount of power should not
be difficult to reach. And the 10,000rpm makes it more like normal engines,
so there migt be some relevance to car buyers.
> other
> - kinetic energy recovery system
Ok.
> - traction-control
Well, that is too hard to forbid, I suppose...
> - four-wheel-drive
My first thought was "What ? That doesn't make much sense." But then I
noticed that this integrates with the "kinetic energy recovery system".
That is, electrical brakes on the front wheels recover energy during
braking and then are used as electric motors during the next acceleration.
So there won't be a drive axle beneath the driver.
> - power-boost button, 13 second per lap
> - identical bodywork for all the teams
So there will be no need to have 2 wind tunnels and a supercomputer
running CFD programs 24/7 to be competitive in F1 ? And cars won't have
dozens of tiny wings, spikes, etc. ? And the driver might get a better
seating position ? And it might be possible to follow another driver
through a fast curve ?
Can't say I disagree with that (specially if Pinifarina is asked to
design it (yes, I know they have a special relationship with Ferrari,
but they also have designed some of the most beautiful cars ever)).
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19163.html
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Von Fourche
"Goldrusher" <goldrusher...@telenet.be> wrote in message
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> of Formula 1 from 2011 according to a document outlining the FIA's
> proposals for the future of the sport which have been sent to all current
> F1 manufacturers, as well as both Ford and Volkswagen-Audi, who may join
> the sport in the future.
>
>
> engines
> - 2.2-litre V6 turbocharged
> - running on biodiesel fuels
> - 770bhp
> - restricted to 10,000rpm
> - have to last 5 races
>
> other
> - kinetic energy recovery system
> - traction-control
> - four-wheel-drive
> - power-boost button, 13 second per lap
> - identical bodywork for all the teams
Just make them take off the freaking wings.
Ray O'Hara
"Goldrusher" <goldrusher...@telenet.be> wrote in message
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so F1 wants to be a spec car series based in asia.
fia/fisa/ eccelstonia needs to be broken up and recreated anew..
Tony...@gmail.com
> "Goldrusher" <goldrusherREMOVET...@telenet.be> wrote in message
>
> news:k1f3i.122307$Z67....@biebel.telenet-ops.be...
>
> so F1 wants to be a spec car series based in asia.
>
> fia/fisa/ eccelstonia needs to be broken up and recreated anew..
Mosley has done enough damage to F1, Now he want's to screw it up some
more. He should have stayed retired.
Von Fourche
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How much more time does Mosley have in his postion? Once Bernie goes
does that mean Mosley is history as well?
Pete Fenelon
Happened in NASCAR... Car of Tomorrow, anyone? ;)
pete
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Pete Fenelon
>
> Why don't they just fit the GP2 cars with more powerful engines and
> scrap F1?
>
Because GP2 provides good racing. F1 provides "The Show". Bernie prefers
the latter, and Max wants it to all look vaguely 'eco'.
Bill Smith
Why stop there? I think they should all be the same color, put the
same numbers on all the cars, and use cloned drivers. The winner to be
determined by the car that uses the least fuel completing the
distance. Cars to start at ten second intervals, no passing allowed.
Bill Smith
Graham Hodgson
> If adopted, radical new engine regulations could be set to change the face
> of Formula 1 from 2011 according to a document outlining the FIA's proposals
> for the future of the sport which have been sent to all current F1
> manufacturers, as well as both Ford and Volkswagen-Audi, who may join the
> sport in the future.
With what are Ford supposed to go F1 racing with?
>
>
> engines
> - 2.2-litre V6 turbocharged
> - running on biodiesel fuels
> - 770bhp
A1GP in the near future?
> - restricted to 10,000rpm
A1GP?
> - have to last 5 races
*yawn*
>
> other
> - kinetic energy recovery system
Regen braking in F1. How *exciting*.
> - traction-control
> - four-wheel-drive
??
> - power-boost button, 13 second per lap
A1GP.
> - identical bodywork for all the teams
A1GP.
>
>
> http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19163.html
> http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=39287
>
> Very nice Mosley. Very nice.
>
>
Mad Max yawns again...
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Bill Smith wrote:
> Why stop there? I think they should all be the same color, put the
> same numbers on all the cars, and use cloned drivers.
>
Drivers?
Entire fleet driven by remote datalink from a trailer in Hyderabad.
deadguy3
Von Fourche wrote:
> "Goldrusher" <goldrusher...@telenet.be> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> Just make them take off the freaking wings.
and get rid of the electronics,
points condensor only.
News
deadguy3 wrote:
> and get rid of the electronics,
> points condensor only.
Yeah. Rope start.
John Smith
the powers that be going to realize that as long as it's called racing and
it's the guy that goes quickest that wins, it's going to cost a lot of
money.. Anything else and you have a spec series.. Which isn't necessarily a
bad thing, it's just not what F1 should be..
Bill Smith
>
>
>Bill Smith wrote:
>
>> Why stop there? I think they should all be the same color, put the
>> same numbers on all the cars, and use cloned drivers.
>>
>
>
>Drivers?
I was thinking they could clone JPM.
Bill Smith
T C
> Paul Ian Harman <chatt...@doctorwhowebguide.net> wrote:
> > "Goldrusher" <goldrusher...@telenet.be> wrote in message
> > news:k1f3i.122307$Z67....@biebel.telenet-ops.be...
> >> - power-boost button, 13 second per lap
> >> - identical bodywork for all the teams
> >
> >
> > Can't see either of these happening, but the others all seem okay.
> >
>
> Happened in NASCAR... Car of Tomorrow, anyone? ;)
>
> pete
>
(They're switching to unleaded petrol, eh?)
Though I think that the idea of a green F1, utilizing the burgeoning
technologies in development by the manufacturers is a great idea.
F1 has always been a place where new ideas are tested, developed and rolled
out. And what better place for such a thing to happen than F1?
Using bio-fuels would be interesting for sure.
The specifications of the engine sounds suspiciously like Champ Car.
That, I don't like because it is a "cookie cutter" idea.
Then there are two people who said things about the old versus the new.
One was Roger Penske when his LMP2 Porsche won it's first ALMS race.
Something to do with how, in the old days, the Porsche's were over 1,000 BHP
and all they had was power to make the car fast, and how the LMP2 Spyder was
1/2 the horsepower and just as fast thanks to almost 30 years of aerodynamic
progress.
The other remark?
When the IMSA GTP series was on back in the 1980s and didn't adhere to the FIA
sportscar fuel economy rules for C1.
Porsche driver Derek Bell said "People don't come to races to see fuel
economy".
Both are genuine considerations.
T C
important than the meagre 100 k in the stands at a race, when a car is painted
like a "green screen" and computer graphics technology could put "Your Ad
Here" for the viewers watching at home.
It would take care of the weird and misgiven laws like in Canada not long ago,
when different levels of government pitched in to pay for the spots on the cars
that advertised tobacco on TV that were removed, due to it being on the car
($30 million). Or booze being advertised on the cars in Muslim countries for
that matter.
F1 is a "TV sport", after all. (but not according to Ross Brawn's opinion of
the ITV feed from his home in England). :)
Imagine sitting in the stands, watching the giant monitor so you can see what
the car's livery really looks like!
Ouch!
Mark Atkins
news:k1f3i.122307$Z67....@biebel.telenet-ops.be...
> If adopted, radical new engine regulations could be set to change the face
> of Formula 1 from 2011 according to a document outlining the FIA's
> proposals for the future of the sport which have been sent to all current
> F1 manufacturers, as well as both Ford and Volkswagen-Audi, who may join
> the sport in the future.
>
>
> - 2.2-litre V6 turbocharged
> - running on biodiesel fuels
Audi built a 5.5l V12 for Le Mans..
> - 770bhp
> - restricted to 10,000rpm
> - have to last 5 races
>
> other
> - kinetic energy recovery system
> - traction-control
> - four-wheel-drive
> - power-boost button, 13 second per lap
> - identical bodywork for all the teams
Why not go the while hog & clone the drivers as well?
>
>
> http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19163.html
> http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=39287
>
> Very nice Mosley. Very nice.
Utter crap. F1 is becoming a spec-series with spec drivers....
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Mark
"In these shoes? No way Jose!"
Kirsty MacColl 1959-2000
www.justiceforkirsty.org
Kevin Riley
> won't work. You need at least 3l to get the best from a diesel. That's why
> Audi built a 5.5l V12 for Le Mans..
>
But, on the other hand, I always thought that the ALMS Corvette C6r GT1 worked
better than the C5r because they ditched the 8 track player to save weight.
News
That and the carbon fiber glove box door and trim, yes.
Kevin Riley
around town for?"
That changed everything.
News
No surprise for a pink 'Vette with blue stripes...
Kevin Riley
the version that resembles the one of today.
My brother owned a 1972 350 LT1, about 250 BHP. That was back in 1974.
It was a cool ride! After '72, the vette added 200 lbs of weight due to new
bumpers and they dropped the BHP to 150! What a dumper!
GM said "the fact that the Corvette sold well between 1973 and 1983 attests to
the loyalty of those who appreciate the marque".
No kidding. Until 1984, the cars were nothing but gutless crap!
Anand Nene
> I can see why an audience of billions for an F1 race on TV would be more
> important than the meagre 100 k in the stands at a race, when a car is painted
> like a "green screen" and computer graphics technology could put "Your Ad
> Here" for the viewers watching at home.
This has been discussed. The idea is to apply a paper screen wrap
around the whole car and make (it) into an electronic billboard.
The technology will allow moving video images to be broadcasted on
paper-thin sheets.
> F1 is a "TV sport", after all.
So bring back the one lap qualifying! I really liked seeing the
timed lap by each and every car on the field.
> (but not according to Ross Brawn's opinion of
> the ITV feed from his home in England). :)
I see F1 has already gone high definition with many broadcasters.
I suspect, Bernie may lend out a few goodies of his bernievision
(F1 digital) for free in years to come...
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Martin: "He seemed to be adjusting more than his knee-pads there Murray!"
forty
> If adopted, radical new engine regulations could be set to change the face
> of Formula 1 from 2011 according to a document outlining the FIA's proposals
> for the future of the sport which have been sent to all current F1
> manufacturers, as well as both Ford and Volkswagen-Audi, who may join the
> sport in the future.
>
>
> engines
> - 2.2-litre V6 turbocharged
Just a note: I don't believe biodiesel was proposed. I believe the
proposal was for biofuel, not necessarily diesel. Ethanol would be a
likely candidate.
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forty
“To embrace an extreme, one must first let go of reason.”
David Taylor
> If adopted, radical new engine regulations could be set to change the face
> of Formula 1 from 2011 according to a document outlining the FIA's proposals
> for the future of the sport which have been sent to all current F1
> manufacturers, as well as both Ford and Volkswagen-Audi, who may join the
> sport in the future.
So, the vast amount of money that was spent developing the 2008
regulations/engines -- supposedly in order to save money -- has really
been entirely wasted. What a surprise.
> engines
> - 2.2-litre V6 turbocharged
> - running on biodiesel fuels
> - 770bhp
> - restricted to 10,000rpm
> - have to last 5 races
>
> other
> - kinetic energy recovery system
> - traction-control
> - four-wheel-drive
> - power-boost button, 13 second per lap
> - identical bodywork for all the teams
Why not just stick them all in pedal-cars?
That'll be cheap, environmentally friendly, and probably just as
interesting.
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David Taylor