Costa: Ferrari know-how a help to McLaren
CatharticF1
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"The fundamental thing is not so much the type of mechanical solution in
itself, which may be something already existing. Nowadays, with modern
technology, it's difficult to invent something new out of the blue.
"The most important thing is that, with the documentation they had in their
hands, they had the demonstration of the usefulness of these mechanical
solutions.
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CatharticF1
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It's so funny how some people say McLaren are using the British press
to help their cause and condemn them for it, then we see a totally
unbiased report from an unbiased Italian magazine. Of course if Aldo
wants all the systems scrapped on the McLaren how can the FIA refuse
them, it just would not be sporting not to give them every advantage
they can again in 2008. Perhaps Aldo should also claim that having
their cars scrutineered before a race is not in their best interest
next year, given the FIA's past performance I'm sure that would be
fine - all he has to do it get a few Italian magazines to say it's a
good idea and it's sorted.
Anand
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> "The fundamental thing is not so much the type of mechanical solution in
> itself, which may be something already existing. Nowadays, with modern
> technology, it's difficult to invent something new out of the blue.
Basically meaning the innovators have left this world. And gone are the
days of star designers.
> "The most important thing is that, with the documentation they had in their
> hands, they had the demonstration of the usefulness of these mechanical
> solutions.
Absolutely. And which is what we have been trying to say since this
whole thing came up.
McLaren were let off very easily by the FIA and really deserved to
be excluded from the Championship for atleast 3 years. Would have
been interesting to see how the biased country and its biased web
sites would have reacted to that.
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"That strap on Hakkinen's shoulder has been holding his head on
all race."
Lloyd
Would be interesting to see you act like an adult.
CatharticF1
news:2544efd3-c786-4d18...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
I expect the Italian media is no less biassed than the British.
You're just more aware of it.
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CatharticF1
Bob Dubery
> http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64438
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> <snip>
>
> "The fundamental thing is not so much the type of mechanical solution in
> itself, which may be something already existing. Nowadays, with modern
> technology, it's difficult to invent something new out of the blue.
>
> "The most important thing is that, with the documentation they had in their
> hands, they had the demonstration of the usefulness of these mechanical
> solutions.
>
This is neither here nor there really.
Did Ferrari not benefit when personnel from other teams joined them?
We've seen in the recent transcripts that Densham was happy to get
details from Mackereth about certain aspects of the McLaren.
Technical personnel move all the time.
When Newey moved from Williams to McLaren and then from McLaren to RBR
he took information with him each time. Not drawings on CD-Roms, but
knowledge of what he had seen. So he could say "no we tried that at
[previous team] and that didn't work."
This must be going on all the time. What is the issue really is not
whether one team benefits from knowledge of another team's car, but
how they came about that knowledge.
In the case of Densham asking Mackereth about the McLaren engine
mountings this seems entirely legitimate to me. If Ferrari picked the
brains of the aerodynamicist who left McLaren and arrived at Ferrari
then that too is legitimate. But in both cases the team had the
potential to gain some advantage based on knowledge of another team's
car.
Dave Baker
"Bob Dubery" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> We've seen in the recent transcripts that Densham was happy to get
> details from Mackereth about certain aspects of the McLaren.
>
> Technical personnel move all the time.
> In the case of Densham asking Mackereth about the McLaren engine
> mountings this seems entirely legitimate to me.
Provided it took place only after Mackereth had joined Renault. It clearly
didn't happen this way so Renault were soliciting McLaren information from a
current employee just as Coughlan was soliciting it from a current Ferrari
one.
The FIA have contrived to gloss over all this in Renault's case but nail
McLaren to the wall for it in theirs.
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Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines
Bob Dubery
> "Bob Dubery" <megap...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:ec98e49e-982b-4b6c...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > We've seen in the recent transcripts that Densham was happy to get
> > details from Mackereth about certain aspects of the McLaren.
>
> > Technical personnel move all the time.
> > In the case of Densham asking Mackereth about the McLaren engine
> > mountings this seems entirely legitimate to me.
>
> Provided it took place only after Mackereth had joined Renault. It clearly
> didn't happen this way so Renault were soliciting McLaren information from a
> current employee just as Coughlan was soliciting it from a current Ferrari
> one.
>
Huh? Either I have missed something, or construed something
differently from you.
I know there was a sequence of events described by McLaren's lawyer,
but the problem with that was an absence of dates - it wasn't clear
what took place before and after Mackereth's departure from McLaren.
Have I missed something?
Phil Newnham
So if they'd simply poached someone from Ferrari and learnt it that way,
they'd have achieved the same result at significantly less overall expense.
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Phil