> Ah come, he didn't say that. He "doesn't get it" - and I don't either,
> just a few races ago McLaren looked like they had everything under
> control.
Button said "the MP4-27 is the worse car McLaren has given him since he joined the team".
> > Ah come, he didn't say that. He "doesn't get it" - and I don't either,
> > just a few races ago McLaren looked like they had everything under
> > control.
> Button said "the MP4-27 is the worse car McLaren has given him since he
> joined the team".
No. Pitpass said that Button said that. No! Wait! It was the Guardian.
Pitpass are rehashing a Guardian story. Neither story has Button
actually saying those words.
And if the quotes go where you have them wouldn't Button say "the
MP4-27 is the worst car McLaren has given me since I joined the team"?
According to the Guardian, what Button said was:
"This car hasn't suited me as well as McLaren's last two. Since I've
been here this has been the worst year. It's been tricky, even on good
weekends. We've had a problem pretty much every weekend, lately. We
need to stop it. I don't get it."
Which is partly about the car but stops short of condemning it
outright . Part of that seems to be a complaint about McLaren's
tendency to drop the ball this season.
He also says: "The car is quite unusual in the way that it works. It
works really well for Lewis, and works really well for me at times.
But the consistency isn't there."
Which again is not quite the same as any of the headlines applied to
this story.
>> > Ah come, he didn't say that. He "doesn't get it" - and I don't
>> > either,
>> > just a few races ago McLaren looked like they had everything under
>> > control.
>> Button said "the MP4-27 is the worse car McLaren has given him since he
>> joined the team".
> No. Pitpass said that Button said that. No! Wait! It was the Guardian.
> Pitpass are rehashing a Guardian story. Neither story has Button
> actually saying those words.
> And if the quotes go where you have them wouldn't Button say "the MP4-27
> is the worst car McLaren has given me since I joined the team"?
> According to the Guardian, what Button said was:
> "This car hasn't suited me as well as McLaren's last two. Since I've
> been here this has been the worst year. It's been tricky, even on good
> weekends. We've had a problem pretty much every weekend, lately. We need
> to stop it. I don't get it."
> Which is partly about the car but stops short of condemning it outright
> . Part of that seems to be a complaint about McLaren's tendency to drop
> the ball this season.
> He also says: "The car is quite unusual in the way that it works. It
> works really well for Lewis, and works really well for me at times. But
> the consistency isn't there."
> Which again is not quite the same as any of the headlines applied to
> this story.
> Sloppy sub-editing by the Guardian.
1st rule of journalism "don't let the facts get in the way of a good headline"
-- About the only thing on a farm that has an easy time is the dog.
> According to the Guardian, what Button said was:
> "This car hasn't suited me as well as McLaren's last two.
I think that the relevant word in that quote is "me".
> Since I've
> been here this has been the worst year. It's been tricky, even on good
> weekends. We've had a problem pretty much every weekend, lately. We
> need to stop it. I don't get it."
<McLaren>
Well Jens, it's like this; You know Lewis hasn't been happy this year (and despite our famous 'no number one driver' stand you know he's number one). So, to try to assuage him we've built the car to suit him rather than you. It's too late to change things for this season (and we think that he's still our best chance of scoring second in the WCC anyway).
However next year you'll be number one (at least until we see how the first four or five races go). Consequently you'll find that you have a much more suitable car for your driving style - sorry about that. Enjoy your money for now.
</McLaren>
-- /Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
On Nov 6, 9:11 pm, Bobster <megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He also says: "The car is quite unusual in the way that it works. It
> works really well for Lewis, and works really well for me at times.
> But the consistency isn't there."
The car works really well for Lewis.
The car works well for Jensen AT TIMES.
> On Nov 6, 9:11 pm, Bobster<megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> He also says: "The car is quite unusual in the way that it works. It
>> works really well for Lewis, and works really well for me at times.
>> But the consistency isn't there."
> The car works really well for Lewis.
> The car works well for Jensen AT TIMES.
> ergo: The consistency isn't WHERE, Jensen?
To be fair, it hasn't been working that well for Lewis - that's why he's leaving.
-- John Briggs
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bobster wrote:
> [snip]
>> According to the Guardian, what Button said was:
>> "This car hasn't suited me as well as McLaren's last two.
> I think that the relevant word in that quote is "me".
It hasn't been stunningly wonderful for Lewis either.
>> Since I've
>> been here this has been the worst year. It's been tricky, even on good
>> weekends. We've had a problem pretty much every weekend, lately. We
>> need to stop it. I don't get it."
> <McLaren>
> Well Jens, it's like this; You know Lewis hasn't been happy this year (and
> despite our famous 'no number one driver' stand you know he's number one).
> So, to try to assuage him we've built the car to suit him rather than you.
> It's too late to change things for this season (and we think that he's still
> our best chance of scoring second in the WCC anyway).
> However next year you'll be number one (at least until we see how the first
> four or five races go). Consequently you'll find that you have a much more
> suitable car for your driving style - sorry about that. Enjoy your money for
> now.
> </McLaren>
Actually, that's probably not far off the truth. It *should* be much easier if they just concentrate on Jenson. If Mclaren can't built a car to suit Jenson next year, we'll know that Lewis has definitely made the right decision.
-- John Briggs
John Briggs wrote:
> On 13/11/2012 01:26, brafield wrote:
> >On Nov 6, 9:11 pm, Bobster<megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > He also says: "The car is quite unusual in the way that it works.
> > > It works really well for Lewis, and works really well for me at
> > > times. But the consistency isn't there."
> > The car works really well for Lewis.
> > The car works well for Jensen AT TIMES.
> > ergo: The consistency isn't WHERE, Jensen?
> To be fair, it hasn't been working that well for Lewis - that's why
> he's leaving.
No it's not. I think you'd find that if he hadn't been let down in a
number of other ways he'd be fighting for the championship and would be
staying put.
>> On 13/11/2012 01:26, brafield wrote:
>>> On Nov 6, 9:11 pm, Bobster<megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> He also says: "The car is quite unusual in the way that it works.
>>>> It works really well for Lewis, and works really well for me at
>>>> times. But the consistency isn't there."
>>> The car works really well for Lewis.
>>> The car works well for Jensen AT TIMES.
>>> ergo: The consistency isn't WHERE, Jensen?
>> To be fair, it hasn't been working that well for Lewis - that's why
>> he's leaving.
> No it's not. I think you'd find that if he hadn't been let down in a
> number of other ways he'd be fighting for the championship and would be
> staying put.
Well, it's difficult to categorise how much of McLaren's inconsistency is inconsistency. If it had been a fundamentally good car and he was just "let down in other ways" he'd be staying put.
-- John Briggs
John Briggs wrote:
> On 13/11/2012 18:07, Bigbird wrote:
> > John Briggs wrote:
> > > On 13/11/2012 01:26, brafield wrote:
> >>>On Nov 6, 9:11 pm, Bobster<megap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > He also says: "The car is quite unusual in the way that it
> > > > > works. It works really well for Lewis, and works really well
> > > > > for me at times. But the consistency isn't there."
> > > > The car works really well for Lewis.
> > > > The car works well for Jensen AT TIMES.
> > > > ergo: The consistency isn't WHERE, Jensen?
> > > To be fair, it hasn't been working that well for Lewis - that's
> > > why he's leaving.
> > No it's not. I think you'd find that if he hadn't been let down in a
> > number of other ways he'd be fighting for the championship and
> > would be staying put.
> Well, it's difficult to categorise how much of McLaren's
> inconsistency is inconsistency. If it had been a fundamentally good
> car and he was just "let down in other ways" he'd be staying put.
