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Dave Baker
Nov 8, 2012, 12:32:54 AM11/8/12
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Well I stayed up all night on Tuesday to watch the debacle reach its
conclusion after a year of continual bullshitting and perhaps 6 billion
dollars wasted according to some estimates. Is this the most fucked up
electoral system in the world or what?
Still, I went to bed happy after Ohio declared for the Dems and the deal was
as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping windsock
winning appalled me. I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
and I finally got it. Hopefully in the next four years he'll realise it's
pointless trying to appease the Republicans and just muscle any legislation
through regardless by whatever means he can. They're never going to
compromise and their only agenda is to stymie whatever he wants to do even
if hurts the country. Treasonous bastards the lot of them.
It must however be the first election when despite the Constitution neither
candidate was a natural born US citizen. One was apparently a nigger born in
Kenya and the other was a robot assembled from faulty spare parts on the
planet Kolob. At Romney's concession speech I was expecting him to come out
saying "Does not compute, does not compute" and then expire in a shower of
sparks as his cpu blew up.
If anything stands out in my mind it's the lies, mainly from the Repubs. We
all expect politicians to "spin" facts but this time round the lies were so
blatant it's clear that the truth has no part in American politics anymore.
Romney saying that 23 million were unemployed when it's half that. Ryan
saying that Obama closed a car factory that actually closed before he was
even in office. Jeep production in Toledo going to China that wasn't
remotely true. 90% of the government investments in green companies going
bankrupt when it was only 5% and most of that was Solyndra. Romnay saying he
wouldn't let fact checkers affect his campaign strategy - of lies. If you
don't like the candidate you're actually running against just invent a new
one and rail against that instead.
But despite all this why was the election so close as usual? The truth is
that most Americans are so polarised they'll vote for their chosen party's
candidate even if it's a blow up plastic doll. The Repubs threw out "frothy
fecal matter" Santorum, the barking mad "pray the gay away" Bachmann, Rick
"I only open my mouth to change feet" Perry, The bizarre Herman Cain and the
serial wife swapper Newt Gingrich and opted for someone who has never stuck
with a given policy for more than five minutes - and still got 48% of the
votes! Would they have done worse with any of the other idiots? It's
doubtful. The candidate just makes so little difference these days. The
ideology trumps everything else.
Romney was a serial liar and a serial flip-flopper who promised to balance 5
trillion dollars of tax cuts plus 2 trillion dollars of extra military spend
with at most a few hundred billion dollars of tax exemptions and refused to
explain how. Because it was impossible. Even the most stupid electorate in
the world couldn't swallow that. But only just. That's frightening.
--
Dave Baker
conclusion after a year of continual bullshitting and perhaps 6 billion
dollars wasted according to some estimates. Is this the most fucked up
electoral system in the world or what?
Still, I went to bed happy after Ohio declared for the Dems and the deal was
as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping windsock
winning appalled me. I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
and I finally got it. Hopefully in the next four years he'll realise it's
pointless trying to appease the Republicans and just muscle any legislation
through regardless by whatever means he can. They're never going to
compromise and their only agenda is to stymie whatever he wants to do even
if hurts the country. Treasonous bastards the lot of them.
It must however be the first election when despite the Constitution neither
candidate was a natural born US citizen. One was apparently a nigger born in
Kenya and the other was a robot assembled from faulty spare parts on the
planet Kolob. At Romney's concession speech I was expecting him to come out
saying "Does not compute, does not compute" and then expire in a shower of
sparks as his cpu blew up.
If anything stands out in my mind it's the lies, mainly from the Repubs. We
all expect politicians to "spin" facts but this time round the lies were so
blatant it's clear that the truth has no part in American politics anymore.
Romney saying that 23 million were unemployed when it's half that. Ryan
saying that Obama closed a car factory that actually closed before he was
even in office. Jeep production in Toledo going to China that wasn't
remotely true. 90% of the government investments in green companies going
bankrupt when it was only 5% and most of that was Solyndra. Romnay saying he
wouldn't let fact checkers affect his campaign strategy - of lies. If you
don't like the candidate you're actually running against just invent a new
one and rail against that instead.
But despite all this why was the election so close as usual? The truth is
that most Americans are so polarised they'll vote for their chosen party's
candidate even if it's a blow up plastic doll. The Repubs threw out "frothy
fecal matter" Santorum, the barking mad "pray the gay away" Bachmann, Rick
"I only open my mouth to change feet" Perry, The bizarre Herman Cain and the
serial wife swapper Newt Gingrich and opted for someone who has never stuck
with a given policy for more than five minutes - and still got 48% of the
votes! Would they have done worse with any of the other idiots? It's
doubtful. The candidate just makes so little difference these days. The
ideology trumps everything else.
Romney was a serial liar and a serial flip-flopper who promised to balance 5
trillion dollars of tax cuts plus 2 trillion dollars of extra military spend
with at most a few hundred billion dollars of tax exemptions and refused to
explain how. Because it was impossible. Even the most stupid electorate in
the world couldn't swallow that. But only just. That's frightening.
--
Dave Baker
geoff
Nov 8, 2012, 1:01:33 AM11/8/12
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"Dave Baker" <Nu...@null.com> wrote in message
news:k7fg6c$pgo$1...@news.datemas.de...
> Well I stayed up all night on Tuesday to watch the debacle reach its
> conclusion after a year of continual bullshitting and perhaps 6 billion
> dollars wasted according to some estimates. Is this the most fucked up
> electoral system in the world or what?
>
> Still, I went to bed happy after Ohio declared for the Dems and the deal
> was as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping
> windsock winning appalled me.
The world heaves a collective sigh of relief. However what remains worrying
> conclusion after a year of continual bullshitting and perhaps 6 billion
> dollars wasted according to some estimates. Is this the most fucked up
> electoral system in the world or what?
>
> Still, I went to bed happy after Ohio declared for the Dems and the deal
> was as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping
> windsock winning appalled me.
is that near half of the USA polulation voted for a party that stands for
individual and corporate greed, and religo-social consservatism that
approaches the vile extremes of the Iranian mullahs !
geoff
Von Fourche
Nov 8, 2012, 1:33:16 AM11/8/12
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"geoff" <ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> wrote in message
news:b8KdnWNgL6Kr1wbN...@giganews.com...
> The world heaves a collective sigh of relief. However what remains
> worrying is that near half of the USA polulation voted for a party that
> stands for individual and corporate greed, and religo-social consservatism
> that approaches the vile extremes of the Iranian mullahs !
The Republican party is the party of the angry old church going white man
> worrying is that near half of the USA polulation voted for a party that
> stands for individual and corporate greed, and religo-social consservatism
> that approaches the vile extremes of the Iranian mullahs !
(and ultra wealthy). All they do is get angry and outraged while the wealthy
exploit them and say Big Government is the Devil. They think Obama is a
Muslim but they are the ones acting like they live in the middle east,
controlled by a mullah who keeps his subjects in line by blaming the evil
Federal Government.
Hopefully the angry white man population will become smaller and smaller
and finally disappear.
Bigbird
Nov 8, 2012, 2:13:01 AM11/8/12
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Von Fourche wrote:
>
> "geoff" <ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:b8KdnWNgL6Kr1wbN...@giganews.com...
> >
> >"Dave Baker" <Nu...@null.com> wrote in message
> news:k7fg6c$pgo$1...@news.datemas.de...
> > > >
> > The world heaves a collective sigh of relief. However what remains
> > worrying is that near half of the USA polulation voted for a party
> > that stands for individual and corporate greed, and religo-social
> > consservatism that approaches the vile extremes of the Iranian
> > mullahs !
>
>
> The Republican party is the party of the angry old church going white
> man (and ultra wealthy).
That is a rather narrow view of half the electorate.
>
> "geoff" <ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:b8KdnWNgL6Kr1wbN...@giganews.com...
> >
> >"Dave Baker" <Nu...@null.com> wrote in message
> news:k7fg6c$pgo$1...@news.datemas.de...
> > > >
> > The world heaves a collective sigh of relief. However what remains
> > worrying is that near half of the USA polulation voted for a party
> > that stands for individual and corporate greed, and religo-social
> > consservatism that approaches the vile extremes of the Iranian
> > mullahs !
>
>
> The Republican party is the party of the angry old church going white
> man (and ultra wealthy).
Geoff May
Nov 8, 2012, 3:34:44 AM11/8/12
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On 08/11/2012 05:32, Dave Baker wrote:
> Well I stayed up all night on Tuesday to watch the debacle reach its
> conclusion after a year of continual bullshitting and perhaps 6 billion
> dollars wasted according to some estimates. Is this the most fucked up
> electoral system in the world or what?
> [snipped]
> Well I stayed up all night on Tuesday to watch the debacle reach its
> conclusion after a year of continual bullshitting and perhaps 6 billion
> dollars wasted according to some estimates. Is this the most fucked up
> electoral system in the world or what?
Things that impressed me the most were the continual coverage of the
election by those very well known American broadcasting companies called
Sky and the BBC. I am very sure that information on something happening
4000 km from where I live is extremely important in my life although I
did feel that the BBC should have taken a few minutes to explain to me
that there was an accident on the way to work and that would have
allowed me to avoid it instead of being 30 minutes late for work.
No doubt the BBC (who usually do tell me about traffic issues that cause
delays) had very good reasons for not even bothering to have the local
news and one day, they may even deign to let the licence payers know
what these reasons are.
Or perhaps the UK has become part of the USA while I was concentrating
on things that affect me directly (like the traffic reports). Perhaps I
missed this event but, if that is the case, where were the party adverts
and also, where were the polling stations for those of us living in the
52nd (or is it 53rd?) state?
Disappointing that I missed the change of leader from queen to president
and didn't get a chance to cast my vote ... Very disappointing ...
Cheers
Geoff
Noj
Nov 8, 2012, 3:51:52 AM11/8/12
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AC
Nov 8, 2012, 4:11:13 AM11/8/12
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from the off, even after that first disaster of a debate, Obama was
still the betting favourite. Betting odds are usually more accurate than
poles. Simply, its where people put their money, they consider it more.
Elections are not a sport. You cant really get a lucky goal.
Second is the amazing hard core right wing hatred we see. Its a recent
thing, and I can help wonder if its something nasty fuelled by the
internet that we will eventually see here. On top of that we have
incredible Christian religious hatred. I wonder at what point they get
too marginalised and resort to violence. The talk jihad style, how long
till the act? If is their violence only for foreigners, since Bush
claimed crusade status for his vile wars.
Then the amazing saturation of Republican lies. I don't know how any
society can allow such a thing, let alone the election one of the most
important geopolitical positions. I agree with your examples, the are
simple facts after all, but the most incredible one was about the car
manufacturers. It could have damaged one of the US's biggest industries.
Both of the above is fuelled in the main stream by Fox "News". But as it
turns out, only 3 million people watch it. Out of 600 million, that
nothing. Its about time people realised it has little influence.
It amazes me how much support Obama gets in the UK when he is further
right than Camoron. Here he would be seen as a right wing extremist in
comparison.
Lastly, never forget that despite the language and cultural exchange,
Americans are very, very, different from us in the UK and Europe. In
fact we Brits have more in common with Europe, yet because we are lazy,
we gravitated to English speaking USA. Given the demographic changes
what mean Spanish will soon be the main language in the US, I wonder how
long that will last.
Anyway, yes, very very frightening.
--
AC
AC
Nov 8, 2012, 4:15:01 AM11/8/12
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that is as extreme as the "Islamists".
I have thought this for year, but no one seems to want to acknowledge it.
More over, I compare the US to China. China is like and extremist
Socialist country, where as the US is extremist capitalist. The big
difference is that China has learned that it needs capitalism, so its
very slowly moving to the centre. The US on the other hand is moving the
other way. If its keeps this up, it will lose.
--
AC
Von Fourche
Nov 8, 2012, 4:31:33 AM11/8/12
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"AC" wrote in message news:TGKms.244268$Tf3.1...@fx12.am4...
>Lastly, never forget that despite the language and cultural exchange,
>Americans are very, very, different from us in the UK and Europe. In fact
>we Brits have more in common with Europe, yet because we are lazy, we
>gravitated to English speaking USA. Given the demographic changes what mean
>Spanish will soon be the main language in the US, I wonder how long that
>will last.
happening. German or Italian or Polish did not become
the main language of the U.S. after the great migrations. I don't see
Spanish replacing English. I'm sure it will influence it more
but not replace it.
Noj
Nov 8, 2012, 4:36:39 AM11/8/12
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AC wrote ...
Here already - look up "Labour 25" - a few facts, loadsa lies, dodgy
opinions - put together as complete truth. No mention of Portloo, Laud
or McAlpine in there at all.
> On top of that we have
> incredible Christian religious hatred. I wonder at what point they get
> too marginalised and resort to violence. The talk jihad style, how long
> till the act? If is their violence only for foreigners, since Bush
> claimed crusade status for his vile wars.
>
> Then the amazing saturation of Republican lies. I don't know how any
> society can allow such a thing, let alone the election one of the most
> important geopolitical positions. I agree with your examples, the are
> simple facts after all, but the most incredible one was about the car
> manufacturers. It could have damaged one of the US's biggest industries.
>
> Both of the above is fuelled in the main stream by Fox "News". But as it
> turns out, only 3 million people watch it. Out of 600 million, that
> nothing. Its about time people realised it has little influence.
>
> It amazes me how much support Obama gets in the UK when he is further
> right than Camoron. Here he would be seen as a right wing extremist in
> comparison.
>
> Lastly, never forget that despite the language and cultural exchange,
> Americans are very, very, different from us in the UK and Europe. In
> fact we Brits have more in common with Europe, yet because we are lazy,
> we gravitated to English speaking USA. Given the demographic changes
> what mean Spanish will soon be the main language in the US, I wonder how
> long that will last.
At various times we've been at war with most of Europe. Our nearest
neighbours across the channel are not our mates by a very long way.
TBH we don't exactly trust Europeans, they switch sides too often and
worse of all - cheat at the Eurovision Song Contest.
We've not been at war with the septics for a long time, although they
continue to kill our troops regularly.
opinions - put together as complete truth. No mention of Portloo, Laud
or McAlpine in there at all.
> On top of that we have
> incredible Christian religious hatred. I wonder at what point they get
> too marginalised and resort to violence. The talk jihad style, how long
> till the act? If is their violence only for foreigners, since Bush
> claimed crusade status for his vile wars.
>
> Then the amazing saturation of Republican lies. I don't know how any
> society can allow such a thing, let alone the election one of the most
> important geopolitical positions. I agree with your examples, the are
> simple facts after all, but the most incredible one was about the car
> manufacturers. It could have damaged one of the US's biggest industries.
>
> Both of the above is fuelled in the main stream by Fox "News". But as it
> turns out, only 3 million people watch it. Out of 600 million, that
> nothing. Its about time people realised it has little influence.
>
> It amazes me how much support Obama gets in the UK when he is further
> right than Camoron. Here he would be seen as a right wing extremist in
> comparison.
>
> Lastly, never forget that despite the language and cultural exchange,
> Americans are very, very, different from us in the UK and Europe. In
> fact we Brits have more in common with Europe, yet because we are lazy,
> we gravitated to English speaking USA. Given the demographic changes
> what mean Spanish will soon be the main language in the US, I wonder how
> long that will last.
neighbours across the channel are not our mates by a very long way.
TBH we don't exactly trust Europeans, they switch sides too often and
worse of all - cheat at the Eurovision Song Contest.
We've not been at war with the septics for a long time, although they
continue to kill our troops regularly.
Noj
Nov 8, 2012, 4:42:19 AM11/8/12
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AC wrote ...
>
> geoff wrote:
> > "Dave Baker" <Nu...@null.com> wrote in message
> > news:k7fg6c$pgo$1...@news.datemas.de...
> >> Well I stayed up all night on Tuesday to watch the debacle reach its
> >> conclusion after a year of continual bullshitting and perhaps 6 billion
> >> dollars wasted according to some estimates. Is this the most fucked up
> >> electoral system in the world or what?
> >>
> >> Still, I went to bed happy after Ohio declared for the Dems and the deal
> >> was as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping
> >> windsock winning appalled me.
> >
> > The world heaves a collective sigh of relief. However what remains worrying
> > is that near half of the USA polulation voted for a party that stands for
> > individual and corporate greed, and religo-social consservatism that
> > approaches the vile extremes of the Iranian mullahs !
> >
> > geoff
> >
> >
>
> Oh thank you. I totally agree. There is at least a huge part of the US
> that is as extreme as the "Islamists".
Huge numbers of Americans come from religious groups who left, or were
expelled from their own countries because they were regarded as extreme.
The Mormans don't drink, but they love a nice war, so they're no
different to Muslems.
>
> geoff wrote:
> > "Dave Baker" <Nu...@null.com> wrote in message
> > news:k7fg6c$pgo$1...@news.datemas.de...
> >> Well I stayed up all night on Tuesday to watch the debacle reach its
> >> conclusion after a year of continual bullshitting and perhaps 6 billion
> >> dollars wasted according to some estimates. Is this the most fucked up
> >> electoral system in the world or what?
> >>
> >> Still, I went to bed happy after Ohio declared for the Dems and the deal
> >> was as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping
> >> windsock winning appalled me.
> >
> > The world heaves a collective sigh of relief. However what remains worrying
> > is that near half of the USA polulation voted for a party that stands for
> > individual and corporate greed, and religo-social consservatism that
> > approaches the vile extremes of the Iranian mullahs !
> >
> > geoff
> >
> >
>
> Oh thank you. I totally agree. There is at least a huge part of the US
> that is as extreme as the "Islamists".
expelled from their own countries because they were regarded as extreme.
The Mormans don't drink, but they love a nice war, so they're no
different to Muslems.
News
Nov 8, 2012, 5:56:48 AM11/8/12
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John Briggs
Nov 8, 2012, 6:11:47 AM11/8/12
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On 08/11/2012 05:32, Dave Baker wrote:
>
>
> Still, I went to bed happy after Ohio declared for the Dems and the deal was
> as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping windsock
> winning appalled me. I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
> and I finally got it. Hopefully in the next four years he'll realise it's
> pointless trying to appease the Republicans and just muscle any legislation
> through regardless by whatever means he can.
Um, no. You can't "just muscle any legislation through" when you don't
> as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping windsock
> winning appalled me. I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
> and I finally got it. Hopefully in the next four years he'll realise it's
> pointless trying to appease the Republicans and just muscle any legislation
> through regardless by whatever means he can.
have a majority in the legislature. The USA has this bizarre system
where the legislature doesn't appoint the government. (That is known as
"responsible government" - and they don't have it.)
--
John Briggs
Dave Baker
Nov 8, 2012, 6:29:45 AM11/8/12
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> Well I stayed up all night on Tuesday to watch the debacle reach its
> conclusion after a year of continual bullshitting and perhaps 6 billion
> dollars wasted according to some estimates. Is this the most fucked up
> electoral system in the world or what?
I should add a quick note on the voting system itself which is also one of
> conclusion after a year of continual bullshitting and perhaps 6 billion
> dollars wasted according to some estimates. Is this the most fucked up
> electoral system in the world or what?
the worst in the world. Every state does it differently with methods ranging
from paper ballots to electronic voting machines of different types, some
without any audit trail to enable recount verification. Voting times vary
wildly with some states allowing early voting and others not. The worst
thing though is the partisan attempts by Republican state legislators to try
and exclude Democrat leaning minorities by demanding photo id or restricting
voting times. There are even malicious robo calls giving people
misinformation to try and make them miss the vote altogether or not take the
required id.
Why people in the USA have to queue for hours to vote amazes me. Why can't
they have an ample sufficiency of polling stations like we do in the UK?
I've never had to queue or even wait at all to hand over my ballot card, get
a voting slip, put a cross in one box and stick it in a slot. 2 minutes in
and out tops, no confusion, same system for everybody. Is it really so hard
for the self proclaimed leading democracy in the world to organise a simple
universal voting system that actually lets democracy take place properly and
easily?
--
Dave Baker
Bobster
Nov 8, 2012, 6:30:04 AM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 11:11 am, AC <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
<snip>
day. Because of the way their electoral college works things can be
closer than they look. Obama took 1% more of the popular vote than
Romney.
Christian voters ended up backing a Mormon rather than an obviously
orthodox Christian candiate. Now since the Mormons have whole books of
scripture that were revealed separately from and much later than the
Christian Bible, Mormonism is only a distant relative of Christianity
(I know Christians who believe it's a heretical faith). I don't think
it's about faith at all - it's about a set of social prejudices.
But I think the "Christian" right might be in decline now. Look at how
the really frothy-mouthed born again candidates (Santorum, Bachman and
the like) fell by the wayside. Also the USA has it's first openly gay
member of Congress and a few states have endorsed same-sex marriages.
There's two schools of thought I've read about this post-election.
1) The GOP has to realise that the extremists cost it votes and start
working them out of the party and move towards the middle.
2) (which is scary), the GOP can move even further to the right
because looking four years ahead there are no strong Democrat
candidates for the Presidency. So just bide your time and in the
meantime make Obama's life as difficult as possible.
<snip>
<snip>
> The election was not actually close. Betting odds had Obama favourite
> from the off, even after that first disaster of a debate, Obama was
> still the betting favourite. Betting odds are usually more accurate than
> poles. Simply, its where people put their money, they consider it more.
> Elections are not a sport. You cant really get a lucky goal.
Most polls were forecasting a close Obama victory ahead of the big
> from the off, even after that first disaster of a debate, Obama was
> still the betting favourite. Betting odds are usually more accurate than
> poles. Simply, its where people put their money, they consider it more.
> Elections are not a sport. You cant really get a lucky goal.
day. Because of the way their electoral college works things can be
closer than they look. Obama took 1% more of the popular vote than
Romney.
>
> Second is the amazing hard core right wing hatred we see. Its a recent
> thing, and I can help wonder if its something nasty fuelled by the
> internet that we will eventually see here. On top of that we have
> incredible Christian religious hatred. I wonder at what point they get
> too marginalised and resort to violence. The talk jihad style, how long
> till the act? If is their violence only for foreigners, since Bush
> claimed crusade status for his vile wars.
What was crazy about this election was that the fundamentalist
> Second is the amazing hard core right wing hatred we see. Its a recent
> thing, and I can help wonder if its something nasty fuelled by the
> internet that we will eventually see here. On top of that we have
> incredible Christian religious hatred. I wonder at what point they get
> too marginalised and resort to violence. The talk jihad style, how long
> till the act? If is their violence only for foreigners, since Bush
> claimed crusade status for his vile wars.
Christian voters ended up backing a Mormon rather than an obviously
orthodox Christian candiate. Now since the Mormons have whole books of
scripture that were revealed separately from and much later than the
Christian Bible, Mormonism is only a distant relative of Christianity
(I know Christians who believe it's a heretical faith). I don't think
it's about faith at all - it's about a set of social prejudices.
But I think the "Christian" right might be in decline now. Look at how
the really frothy-mouthed born again candidates (Santorum, Bachman and
the like) fell by the wayside. Also the USA has it's first openly gay
member of Congress and a few states have endorsed same-sex marriages.
There's two schools of thought I've read about this post-election.
1) The GOP has to realise that the extremists cost it votes and start
working them out of the party and move towards the middle.
2) (which is scary), the GOP can move even further to the right
because looking four years ahead there are no strong Democrat
candidates for the Presidency. So just bide your time and in the
meantime make Obama's life as difficult as possible.
<snip>
John Briggs
Nov 8, 2012, 6:57:29 AM11/8/12
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On 08/11/2012 11:29, Dave Baker wrote:
>
> Why people in the USA have to queue for hours to vote amazes me. Why can't
> they have an ample sufficiency of polling stations like we do in the UK?
> I've never had to queue or even wait at all to hand over my ballot card, get
> a voting slip, put a cross in one box and stick it in a slot. 2 minutes in
> and out tops, no confusion, same system for everybody. Is it really so hard
> for the self proclaimed leading democracy in the world to organise a simple
> universal voting system that actually lets democracy take place properly and
> easily?
It's getting worse here - and will get even worse with local government
>
> Why people in the USA have to queue for hours to vote amazes me. Why can't
> they have an ample sufficiency of polling stations like we do in the UK?
> I've never had to queue or even wait at all to hand over my ballot card, get
> a voting slip, put a cross in one box and stick it in a slot. 2 minutes in
> and out tops, no confusion, same system for everybody. Is it really so hard
> for the self proclaimed leading democracy in the world to organise a simple
> universal voting system that actually lets democracy take place properly and
> easily?
cuts. In 2010 I was shocked to find a queue at my local polling station.
Apparently turnover of staff meant that nobody had experienced the
higher turnout of a general election. (Extending general election
polling hours - 7a.m. to 10p.m. - to local elections has only
exacerbated the problem. Next week the polling stations will be
completely deserted for hours on end.)
--
John Briggs
Dave Baker
Nov 8, 2012, 6:58:11 AM11/8/12
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"John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On 08/11/2012 05:32, Dave Baker wrote:
>>
>> Still, I went to bed happy after Ohio declared for the Dems and the deal
>> was
>> as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping windsock
>> winning appalled me. I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
>> and I finally got it. Hopefully in the next four years he'll realise it's
>> pointless trying to appease the Republicans and just muscle any
>> legislation
>> through regardless by whatever means he can.
>
> Um, no. You can't "just muscle any legislation through" when you don't
> have a majority in the legislature.
Of course but that's not quite what I meant. Obama has a certain amount of
>>
>> Still, I went to bed happy after Ohio declared for the Dems and the deal
>> was
>> as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping windsock
>> winning appalled me. I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
>> and I finally got it. Hopefully in the next four years he'll realise it's
>> pointless trying to appease the Republicans and just muscle any
>> legislation
>> through regardless by whatever means he can.
>
> Um, no. You can't "just muscle any legislation through" when you don't
> have a majority in the legislature.
clout to exert at the moment as the Bush tax cuts are due to expire shortly
and if the Repugnants don't agree to some sort of sensible compromise on
spending cuts plus tax increases for the wealthy then Obama will just let
the tax cuts expire which will put tax rates up even higher than he himself
says he needs. The Repugnants can kick and scream all they like but there's
sod all they can do about it. This may also pave the way to force them to
compromise on other legislation.
Obama squandered much of his first two years when he had a majority in both
chambers by trying to play nice with the Repubs until he eventually realised
they had not the slightest intention of compromising on anything but by then
he had lost the House and it was too late. This is the main thing the
electorate have held against him because his record on most other stuff is
not that bad. Osama dead, GM alive, Depression averted etc.
Hopefully that naivety will be long gone and he'll use whatever carrots and
sticks he can find to force the Repubs to agree, combined perhaps with the
full use of Executive Order for whatever that is available for. He also
doesn't have to worry about campaigning again so he can concentrate fully on
legislation for the second term.
--
Dave Baker
John Briggs
Nov 8, 2012, 7:00:13 AM11/8/12
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On 08/11/2012 11:30, Bobster wrote:
>
> But I think the "Christian" right might be in decline now. Look at how
> the really frothy-mouthed born again candidates (Santorum, Bachman and
> the like) fell by the wayside. Also the USA has it's first openly gay
> member of Congress and a few states have endorsed same-sex marriages.
Santorum is a Roman Catholic - I don't think they are allowed to be
>
> But I think the "Christian" right might be in decline now. Look at how
> the really frothy-mouthed born again candidates (Santorum, Bachman and
> the like) fell by the wayside. Also the USA has it's first openly gay
> member of Congress and a few states have endorsed same-sex marriages.
"born again".
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John Briggs
Bobster
Nov 8, 2012, 7:08:36 AM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 1:29 pm, "Dave Baker" <N...@null.com> wrote:
<snip>
and high voter turn out in the USA (and very high for the last two
elections)?
<snip>
> Why people in the USA have to queue for hours to vote amazes me. Why can't
> they have an ample sufficiency of polling stations like we do in the UK?
> I've never had to queue or even wait at all to hand over my ballot card, get
> a voting slip, put a cross in one box and stick it in a slot. 2 minutes in
> and out tops, no confusion, same system for everybody. Is it really so hard
> for the self proclaimed leading democracy in the world to organise a simple
> universal voting system that actually lets democracy take place properly and
> easily?
Isn't this at least partly reflective of low voter turn out in the UK
> they have an ample sufficiency of polling stations like we do in the UK?
> I've never had to queue or even wait at all to hand over my ballot card, get
> a voting slip, put a cross in one box and stick it in a slot. 2 minutes in
> and out tops, no confusion, same system for everybody. Is it really so hard
> for the self proclaimed leading democracy in the world to organise a simple
> universal voting system that actually lets democracy take place properly and
> easily?
and high voter turn out in the USA (and very high for the last two
elections)?
John Briggs
Nov 8, 2012, 7:12:12 AM11/8/12
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On 08/11/2012 11:58, Dave Baker wrote:
> "John Briggs"<john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:%rMms.328242$ti6.2...@fx20.am4...
>> On 08/11/2012 05:32, Dave Baker wrote:
>>>
>>> Still, I went to bed happy after Ohio declared for the Dems and the deal
>>> was
>>> as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping windsock
>>> winning appalled me. I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
>>> and I finally got it. Hopefully in the next four years he'll realise it's
>>> pointless trying to appease the Republicans and just muscle any
>>> legislation
>>> through regardless by whatever means he can.
>>
>> Um, no. You can't "just muscle any legislation through" when you don't
>> have a majority in the legislature.
>
> Of course but that's not quite what I meant. Obama has a certain amount of
> clout to exert at the moment as the Bush tax cuts are due to expire shortly
> and if the Repugnants don't agree to some sort of sensible compromise on
> spending cuts plus tax increases for the wealthy then Obama will just let
> the tax cuts expire which will put tax rates up even higher than he himself
> says he needs. The Repugnants can kick and scream all they like but there's
> sod all they can do about it. This may also pave the way to force them to
> compromise on other legislation.
The problem is that the automatic expenditure cuts will be so drastic as
> "John Briggs"<john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:%rMms.328242$ti6.2...@fx20.am4...
>> On 08/11/2012 05:32, Dave Baker wrote:
>>>
>>> Still, I went to bed happy after Ohio declared for the Dems and the deal
>>> was
>>> as good as done. The prospect of Myth Romney the flip-flopping windsock
>>> winning appalled me. I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
>>> and I finally got it. Hopefully in the next four years he'll realise it's
>>> pointless trying to appease the Republicans and just muscle any
>>> legislation
>>> through regardless by whatever means he can.
>>
>> Um, no. You can't "just muscle any legislation through" when you don't
>> have a majority in the legislature.
>
> Of course but that's not quite what I meant. Obama has a certain amount of
> clout to exert at the moment as the Bush tax cuts are due to expire shortly
> and if the Repugnants don't agree to some sort of sensible compromise on
> spending cuts plus tax increases for the wealthy then Obama will just let
> the tax cuts expire which will put tax rates up even higher than he himself
> says he needs. The Repugnants can kick and scream all they like but there's
> sod all they can do about it. This may also pave the way to force them to
> compromise on other legislation.
to push America back into recession (and with it the rest of the world).
It is Obama who will have to back down - he just doesn't have any leverage.
> Obama squandered much of his first two years when he had a majority in both
> chambers by trying to play nice with the Repubs until he eventually realised
> they had not the slightest intention of compromising on anything but by then
> he had lost the House and it was too late. This is the main thing the
> electorate have held against him because his record on most other stuff is
> not that bad. Osama dead, GM alive, Depression averted etc.
compromise when they were in a minority, they certainly won't (as has
already been demonstrated) when they are in the majority.
> Hopefully that naivety will be long gone and he'll use whatever carrots and
> sticks he can find to force the Repubs to agree, combined perhaps with the
> full use of Executive Order for whatever that is available for. He also
> doesn't have to worry about campaigning again so he can concentrate fully on
> legislation for the second term.
has nothing to offer anyone - they *know* he will be out of office in
four years. Even the people currently working for him will be looking
elsewhere to secure their future.
--
John Briggs
John Briggs
Nov 8, 2012, 7:26:01 AM11/8/12
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put in fewer polling stations in your opponents' areas.
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John Briggs
Bobster
Nov 8, 2012, 7:28:43 AM11/8/12
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It's NOT about faith really. Santorum holds conservative positions on
matters like sexuality and birth control, therefore he is acceptable
whilst a coloured orthodox Christian who takes more liberal positions
is not. The Christian Right is not about faith at all, it's about
social conservatism.
petrolcan
Nov 8, 2012, 9:01:53 AM11/8/12
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In article <k7fg6c$pgo$1...@news.datemas.de>, Dave Baker says...
>
> I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
I stopped reading at this point. Racist fuck.
> I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
Brian Lawrence
Nov 8, 2012, 9:13:11 AM11/8/12
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VP. Here's a random list for Massachusetts:
This year the following offices will appear on the ballot:
�Electors of President and Vice President
�Senator in Congress
�Representative in Congress
�Councillor
�Senator in General Court
�Representative in General Court
�Clerk of Courts
�Register of Deeds
�County Commissioner
(Barnstable, Bristol, Dukes, Norfolk, Plymouth), or Franklin Council of
Governments
�Sheriff
(Middlesex county only)
�Register of Probate
(Hampshire and Suffolk counties only)
That's 11 potential choices to be made, which takes a bit longer for
each person voting. If it takes a UK voter 30s to enter his cross, it
could take his US equivalent 5m. Maybe voting machines allow for voting
'along party lines' for most offices, but I'm guessing about that.
I seem to recall Willard & Ann with 3 or 4 sheets of paper each on Tuesday.
--
Brian W Lawrence
Wantage
Oxfordshire
Darryl Johnson
Nov 8, 2012, 10:17:56 AM11/8/12
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that some voters were taking as much as half an hour to complete their
ballot. If that was the case in fact, that's just nuts! I think it was
a CNN reporter who was trying to show the long lineup at a fire
station/polling station.
I did see a shot of a Florida ballot: seems to me it was about the
size of a million Lira Italian banknote, or a small country.
Grant
Nov 8, 2012, 10:29:00 AM11/8/12
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"petrolcan" <petr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <k7fg6c$pgo$1...@news.datemas.de>, Dave Baker says...
>>
>> I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
>
> I stopped reading at this point. Racist fuck.
>
>
He should fuck of to alt.nascar.redneck.fucktards.
>>
>> I wanted me four more years of mah good nigger Barry
>
> I stopped reading at this point. Racist fuck.
>
>
geoff
Nov 8, 2012, 2:44:48 PM11/8/12
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"AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message news:rKKms.244269$Tf3....@fx12.am4...
> More over, I compare the US to China. China is like and extremist
> Socialist country, where as the US is extremist capitalist. The big
> difference is that China has learned that it needs capitalism, so its very
> slowly moving to the centre. The US on the other hand is moving the other
> way. If its keeps this up, it will lose.
>
>
Actually China is pretty much as capitalist as the USA, but with a
> Socialist country, where as the US is extremist capitalist. The big
> difference is that China has learned that it needs capitalism, so its very
> slowly moving to the centre. The US on the other hand is moving the other
> way. If its keeps this up, it will lose.
>
>
totalitarian government. Not much socialism left in China.
geoff
Sir Tim
Nov 9, 2012, 3:19:48 PM11/9/12
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"Dave Baker" <Nu...@null.com> wrote:
> The worst thing though is the partisan attempts by Republican state legislators to try
> and exclude Democrat leaning minorities by demanding photo id or restricting
> voting times.
I've just returned from Nevada where my daughter-in-law had to provide
> The worst thing though is the partisan attempts by Republican state legislators to try
> and exclude Democrat leaning minorities by demanding photo id or restricting
> voting times.
photo ID before voting.
In poorer areas many of the population do not own cars and cannot afford to
go abroad so have no photo ID. Needless to say these people are often black
and thus likely to vote Democrat!
On a point of order, Dave, I do wish you would not use the term "nigger".
--
Henry Birkin, Bt.
Sir Tim
Nov 10, 2012, 6:21:59 AM11/10/12
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"Dave Baker" <Nu...@null.com> wrote:
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to vote for Romney because she thought he was "cute" !!!!
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Henry Birkin, Bt.
<snip>
> But despite all this why was the election so close as usual? The truth is
> that most Americans are so polarised they'll vote for their chosen party's
> candidate even if it's a blow up plastic doll.
I was chatting to a lady in a Reno supermarket who said that she was going
> that most Americans are so polarised they'll vote for their chosen party's
> candidate even if it's a blow up plastic doll.
to vote for Romney because she thought he was "cute" !!!!
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Henry Birkin, Bt.
build
Nov 10, 2012, 8:00:04 AM11/10/12
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If you were in Boston you may have chatted with a lady who knew Romney was more intelligent.
try this:
http://www.abc.net.au/iview/?series=3624348#/series/3624348
beers,
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