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Brian Lawrence

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Brian Lawrence wrote:
> I'm running late on these and I may not catch up before I go away
> for a break.
>

And we pay how much for this sort of a lackadaisical approach?

Brian Lawrence

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Average Starting Position 2008 - after Valencia, Qualifying #12
===============================================================

2008 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003
Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP
==================================================================================
1. 2.92 (-0.17) F Massa 4 4.24 2 6.67 17 11.89 18 13.50 - -
2. 3.83 (-0.17) L Hamilton 1 2.59 - - - - - - - -
3. 4.25 (-0.02) K Räikkönen 3 3.53 4 5.83 2 5.68 9 8.22 6 6.81
4. 4.33 (-0.12) R Kubica 6 7.00 9 8.83 - - - - - -
5. 4.67 (+0.03) H Kovalainen 10 10.71 - - - - - - - -
6. 6.75 (+0.48) F Alonso 2 3.18 1 4.28 1 3.95 7 7.56 8 7.88
7. 7.67 (-0.06) J Trulli 8 9.24 14 10.28 5 6.11 6 6.71 7 7.31
8. 8.42 (+0.51) M Webber 7 9.06 7 11.06 8 8.00 13 9.72 11 9.88
9. 8.75 (-0.07) N Heidfeld 5 5.41 10 10.17 12 9.57 21 16.00 15 12.31
10. 11.75 (+0.11) T Glock - - - - - - 22 16.50 - -
11.(12) 11.92 (-0.26) N Rosberg 9 9.88 12 13.33 - - - - - -
12.(11) 12.50 (+0.41) D Coulthard 13 13.35 13 14.17 16 11.00 10 9.39 9 8.50
13(=15) 13.25 (-0.66) S Vettel 15 14.38 - - - - - - - -
14.(13) 13.67 (+0.22) J Button 14 13.94 3 7.78 4 5.94 3 5.50 13 11.33
15.(14) 13.75 (+0.11) N Piquet - - - - - - - - - -
16(=15) 14.33 (+0.42) R Barrichello 16 15.00 6 7.61 13 10.53 2 4.56 1 3.63
17. 14.75 (-0.34) S Nakajima 22 19.00 - - - - - - - -
18. 15.75 (-0.52) S Bourdais - - - - - - - - - -
19. 18.25 (-0.02) G Fisichella 11 10.82 3 5.61 3 5.74 17 12.33 19 13.88
20. 18.83 (+0.10) A Sutil 23 20.29 - - - - - - - -
21. 20.75 T Sato 20 17.29 20 19.67 14 10.88 8 8.06 16 13.00
22. 21.25 A Davidson 19 16.06 - - 22 15.00 - - - -

Averages include all demotions such as engine/gearbox change penalties, but not
last minute changes such as pitlane starts.


Average Team Starting Position 2008 - after Valencia, Qualifying #12
====================================================================

2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002
Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP
=======================================================================================
1. 3.58 (-0.10) Ferrari 2. 3.88 2. 6.06 6. 9.37 1. 4.25 1. 3.94 1. 2.35
2. 4.25 (-0.07) McLaren 1. 2.88 3. 6.89 2. 6.61 5. 8.81 4. 7.66 3. 5.62
3. 6.54 (-0.10) BMW-Sauber 3. 6.18 6. 10.81 8. 11.95 8. 12.92 8. 12.81 5. 10.97*
4. 9.71 (+0.03) Toyota 4. 10.79 5. 10.11 3. 7.47 7. 11.81 5. 10.09 8. 14.59
5. 10.25 (+0.30) Renault 5. 10.82 1. 4.94 1. 4.84 4. 7.47 3. 7.59 4. 9.50
6. 10.46 (+0.46) Red Bull 6. 11.21 8. 14.65 7. 11.24 6. 11.69 7. 11.84 9. 15.79*
7. 13.33 (-0.31) Williams 7. 12.65 7. 12.19 5. 9.32 2. 6.39 2. 5.03 2. 3.21
8. 14.00 (+0.32) Honda 8. 14.47 4. 7.75 4. 8.53 3. 6.78 6. 11.48 6. 12.71*
9. 14.50 (-0.59) T Rosso 9. 16.21 9. 15.83 10. 17.50 10. 18.53 10. 18.66 11. 20.32*
10. 18.54 (+0.04) F India 11. 20.82 10. 18.06 9. 16.97 9. 16.36 9. 15.53 7. 13.33*
11. 21.00 S Aguri 10. 16.68 11. 20.14 - - - - - - - -

* Red Bull = Jaguar (2002-04), Honda = BAR (2002-05), BMW-Sauber = Sauber (2002-05),
Force India = Spyker (2007) = Midland (2006) = Jordan (2002-05), Toro Rosso = Minardi
(2002-05)

Note: Throughout my 2007 season posts the data in the 2006 columns was incorrect.


Team-mates Head-to-Head 2008 - after Valencia, Qualifying #12
=============================================================

Team Driver-1 Driver-2 Posn.
================================================
Renault Alonso 12-0 Piquet +84

Red Bull Webber 11-1 Coulthard +57
BMW-Sauber Kubica 11-1 Heidfeld +53

Williams Rosberg 9-3 Nakajima +30

Toyota Trulli 8-4 Glock +37
Toro Rosso Vettel 8-4 Bourdais +30
Ferrari Massa 8-4 Räikkönen +16
McLaren Hamilton 8-4 Kovalainen +10

Honda Button 7-5 Barrichello +8
Force India Fisichella 7-5 Sutil +7

S Aguri Sato 2-2 Davidson +2

Notes: "Posn." shows the advantage in qualifying positions to date. A
positive number shows the driver on the left has the advantage and a
negative number the driver on the right.


2008 Grid Penalties
===================

Qual Penalties (reason)
=========================================================================
01 AUS Timo Glock 9th 2 x 5-place (gearbox & blocking)
01 AUS Adrian Sutil 19th pitlane start (changed engine)

02 MAL H Kovalainen 3rd 5-place (blocking)
02 MAL Lewis Hamilton 4th 5-place (blocking)
02 MAL K Nakajima 18th 10-place (caused accident in AUS)

05 TUR G Fisichella 19th 5-place (exited pits through red light)

06 MON D Coulthard 10th 5-place (gearbox)
06 MON S Vettel 18th 5-place (gearbox)
06 MON G Fisichella 20th 5-place (gearbox)

07 CDN S Bourdais 16th 5-place (gearbox)
07 CDN Jenson Button 19th 5-place (gearbox)
07 CDN S Vettel 20th 5-place (gearbox)

08 FRA Lewis Hamilton 3rd 10-place (caused accident in CDN)
08 FRA H Kovalainen 5th 5-place (blocking)
08 FRA Nico Rosberg 15th 10-place (caused accident in CDN)

09 GBR Nico Rosberg 18th pitlane start (changed car after qual)

11 HUN S Bourdais 14th 5-place (blocking)

12 EUR R Barrichello 19th pitlane start (changed car after qual)
12 EUR Adrian Sutil 20th pitlane start (changed car after qual)

Appearances in Each Qualifying Session
======================================

Q-1 Q-2 Q-3
=============================
L Hamilton 12 12 12
H Kovalainen 12 12 12
R Kubica 12 12 12* GBR (2 laps)
F Massa 12 12 12

K Räikkönen 12 12* 11 AUS (0 laps)

F Alonso 12 12 10
J Trulli 12 12 10

M Webber 12 12* 9* AUS (2 laps), CDN (0 laps)

N Heidfeld 12 11 8

N Rosberg 12 11* 5 HUN (0 laps)
D Coulthard 12 9 5* MON (0 laps)

T Glock 12 12 4
S Vettel 12* 8 4* AUS (2 laps), CDN (0 laps)

N Piquet 12 8 3

J Button 12 8 1
R Barrichello 12 7 1
S Bourdais 12 7 1

K Nakajima 12 7 0
G Fisichella 12 0 0
A Sutil 12 0 0
T Sato 4 0 0
A Davidson 4 0 0

* Set no time in one or more sessions.


Best Qualifying Performances (Current Drivers)
==============================================

Best in 2008 Best in Best in Best before 2006
Driver Posn.(#) GP(s) 2007 (#) 2006 (#) Posn. (#) First - Last
=============================================================================
L Hamilton Pole (4) . . . Pole (6) --- ---
F Massa Pole (4) . . . Pole (6) Pole (3) 4th (3) AUT 02 - BRA 04
K Räikkönen Pole (2) FRA Pole (3) Pole (3) Pole (8) Eur 03 - TUR 05
R Kubica Pole (1) BRN 4th (1) 6th (1) ---
H Kovalainen Pole (1) GBR 6th (2) --- ---

F Alonso 2nd (1) ESP Pole (2) Pole (6) Pole (9) MAL 03 - CHN 05
M Webber 2nd (1) GBR 5th (1) 2nd (1) 2nd (2) MAL 04 - ESP 05
J Trulli 3rd (1) MAL 6th (1) 3rd (1) Pole (3) MON 04 - USA 05
N Heidfeld 5th (3) . . . 2nd (1) 3rd (1) Pole (1) Eur 05
N Rosberg 5th (1) CDN 4th (1) 3rd (1) ---
T Glock 5th (1) HUN --- --- 16th (2) CDN 04 - CHN 04
S Vettel 6th (1) EUR 7th (1) --- ---
D Coulthard 7th (1) FRA 5th (1) 7th (1) Pole (12) ARG 95 - MON 01
N Piquet 7th (1) GBR --- --- ---
J Button 9th (1) BRN 6th (1) Pole (1) Pole (2) RSM 04 - CDN 05
R Barrichello 9th (1) CDN 9th (1) 3rd (2) Pole (13) BEL 94 - BRA 04
S Bourdais 10th (1) EUR --- --- ---

K Nakajima 11th (1) EUR 19th (1) --- ---
G Fisichella 16th (1) AUS 4th (1) Pole (1) Pole (2) AUT 98 - AUS 05
A Sutil 16th (1) CDN 19th (3) --- ---
T Sato 19th (1) MAL 10th (1) 17th (2) 2nd (1) Eur 04
A Davidson 21st (3) . . . 11th (2) --- 15th (1) MAL 05


Personal Bests set at Valencia
==============================

Career 2008 Season
======================================
Pole F Massa (13) F Massa (4)
6th S Vettel S Vettel
10th S Bourdais S Bourdais
11th K Nakajima K Nakajima

Most Pole Positions
===================

1950-2002 (Top 25) Since 2003 (Top 10)
========================= ========================
1 Ayrton Senna 65 1 Michael Schumacher 18 +
2 Michael Schumacher 50 + 2 Fernando Alonso 17
3 Jim Clark 33 3 Kimi Räikkönen 16
Alain Prost 33 4 Felipe Massa 13
5 Nigel Mansell 32 5 Lewis Hamilton 10
6 Juan Manuel Fangio 29 6 Rubens Barrichello 7 +
7 Mika Häkkinen 26 7 Ralf Schumacher 5 +
8 Niki Lauda 24 8 Juan Pablo Montoya 3 +
Nelson Piquet 24 Jarno Trulli 3
10 Damon Hill 20 Jenson Button 3
11 Mario Andretti 18
René Arnoux 18
13 Jackie Stewart 17
14 Stirling Moss 16 + also achieved poles in other
15 Alberto Ascari 14 era
Ronnie Peterson 14
James Hunt 14
18 Graham Hill 13
Jack Brabham 13
Jacky Ickx 13
Jacques Villeneuve 13
21 David Coulthard 12
Gerhard Berger 12
24 Jochen Rindt 10
Juan Pablo Montoya 10 +

Since 2003 we have had:

* Single lap qualifying (2003-05, except for AUS-MON 2005)
* Two single-lap sessions aggregated (AUS-MON 2005 only)
* Knockout, 3-period, race fuel (from EUR 2005)

2008 Grid Positions
===================

Driver Team R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 MON CDN FRA GBR GER HUN EUR Tot Avg.
=============================================================================
F Massa Ferrari 4 1 2 3 1 1 6 2 9 2 3 1 35 2.92
L Hamilton McLaren 1 9 3 5 3 3 1 13 4 1 1 2 46 3.83
K Räikkönen Ferrari 15 2 4 1 4 2 3 1 3 6 6 4 51 4.25
R Kubica BMW Sauber 2 4 1 4 5 5 2 5 10 7 4 3 52 4.33
H Kovalainen McLaren 3 8 5 6 2 4 7 10 1 3 2 5 56 4.67
F Alonso Renault 11 7 10 2 7 7 4 3 6 5 7 12 81 6.75
J Trulli Toyota 6 3 7 8 8 8 14 4 14 4 9 7 92 7.67
M Webber Red Bull 14 6 11 7 6 9 10 6 2 8 8 14 101 8.42
N Heidfeld BMW Sauber 5 5 6 9 9 12 8 11 5 12 15 8 105 8.75
T Glock Toyota 19 10 13 14 15 10 11 8 12 11 5 13 141 11.75
N Rosberg Williams 7 16 8 15 11 6 5 19 20 13 14 9 143 11.92
D Coulthard Red Bull 8 12 17 17 10 15 13 7 11 10 13 17 150 12.50
S Vettel Toro Rosso 9 15 19 18 14 19 19 12 8 9 11 6 159 13.25
J Button Honda 12 11 9 13 13 11 20 16 17 14 12 16 164 13.67
N Piquet Renault 21 13 14 10 17 17 15 9 7 17 10 15 165 13.75
R Barrichello Honda 10 14 12 11 12 14 9 20 16 18 17 19 172 14.33
K Nakajima Williams 13 22 16 12 16 13 12 15 15 16 16 11 177 14.75
S Bourdais Toro Rosso 17 18 15 16 18 16 18 14 13 15 19 10 189 15.75
G Fisichella F India 16 17 18 19 20 20 17 17 19 20 18 18 219 18.25
A Sutil F India 18 20 20 20 19 18 16 18 18 19 20 20 226 18.83
T Sato S Aguri 20 19 22 22 - - - - - - - - 83 20.75
A Davidson S Aguri 22 21 21 21 - - - - - - - - 85 21.25

Baz

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"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Average Starting Position 2008 - after Valencia, Qualifying #12
> ===============================================================
<SNIP>

Thanks.
You can take a few days off now.
Baz.


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Yeah, thanks. I'll read 'em later in the week.

Brian Lawrence

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Top Speeds of the Event (European GP, Valencia)
===============================================

Team Driver Sess kph
============================================
T Rosso-Ferrari S Vettel Q3 316.4
Ferrari F Massa P3 316.3
T Rosso-Ferrari S Bourdais P3 316.2
Ferrari K Räikkönen Q1 316.0
Red Bull-Renault M Webber P3 314.0
Renault N Piquet P1 313.4
BMW Sauber-BMW N Heidfeld Q2 313.3
Red Bull-Renault D Coulthard P3 313.2
F India-Ferrari G Fisichella Q1 313.2
Renault F Alonso P1 313.1
Williams-Toyota K Nakajima P2 313.0
Williams-Toyota N Rosberg P3 312.5
F India-Ferrari A Sutil Q1 312.5
Toyota J Trulli Q1 312.5
McLaren-Mercedes L Hamilton Q3 312.2
Toyota T Glock Q1 312.0
BMW Sauber-BMW R Kubica P1 311.4
McLaren-Mercedes H Kovalainen Q3 309.8
Honda R Barrichello P3 309.2
Honda J Button P3 309.1


2007/2008 Comparison
====================

Valencia is a new circuit so there is no direct comparison with 2007.


All data from www.formula1.com (except for race speed trap data which is
from www.fia.com).

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These are the fastest laps set by each driver over the whole event.

European GP 24 August 2008

Team Driver Sess Time
============================================
T Rosso-Ferrari S Vettel Q2 1'37.842
Ferrari F Massa Q2 1'37.859
BMW Sauber-BMW N Heidfeld Q2 1'37.859
Toyota J Trulli Q2 1'37.928
McLaren-Mercedes L Hamilton Q2 1'37.954
BMW Sauber-BMW R Kubica Q2 1'38.050
McLaren-Mercedes H Kovalainen Q2 1'38.120
Ferrari K Räikkönen Q2 1'38.229
Renault F Alonso Q1 1'38.268
Williams-Toyota N Rosberg Q2 1'38.336
T Rosso-Ferrari S Bourdais Q2 1'38.417
Williams-Toyota K Nakajima Q2 1'38.428
Toyota T Glock Q2 1'38.499
Red Bull-Renault M Webber Q2 1'38.515
Renault N Piquet Q2 1'38.744

Honda J Button Q1 1'38.880
Red Bull-Renault D Coulthard Q1 1'39.235
F India-Ferrari G Fisichella Q1 1'39.268
Honda R Barrichello Q1 1'39.811

F India-Ferrari A Sutil Q1 1'39.943

Once again, as in Hungary, all 20 drivers set their best lap during
the qualifying hour.


2007/2008 Comparison
====================

Since Valencia is a new circuit there is no data from 2007 to compare.

All data from www.formula1.com.

Depresion

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"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Top Speeds of the Event (European GP, Valencia)
> ===============================================
>
> Team Driver Sess kph
> ============================================
> T Rosso-Ferrari S Vettel Q3 316.4
> Ferrari F Massa P3 316.3
> T Rosso-Ferrari S Bourdais P3 316.2
> Ferrari K Räikkönen Q1 316.0
> Red Bull-Renault M Webber P3 314.0
> Renault N Piquet P1 313.4
> BMW Sauber-BMW N Heidfeld Q2 313.3
> Red Bull-Renault D Coulthard P3 313.2
> F India-Ferrari G Fisichella Q1 313.2
> Renault F Alonso P1 313.1
> Williams-Toyota K Nakajima P2 313.0
> Williams-Toyota N Rosberg P3 312.5
> F India-Ferrari A Sutil Q1 312.5
> Toyota J Trulli Q1 312.5
> McLaren-Mercedes L Hamilton Q3 312.2
> Toyota T Glock Q1 312.0
> BMW Sauber-BMW R Kubica P1 311.4
> McLaren-Mercedes H Kovalainen Q3 309.8
> Honda R Barrichello P3 309.2
> Honda J Button P3 309.1
>
>

Hmm that's intresting (not the top 4 being Ferrari powered, we knew they had
the best lumps in the feild) but the 4 under powered Renault engines were
quicker than the suposedly uprated McLarren donks. Maybe the Renault engine
isn't as down on power as the drivers would like us to think, or maybe the
huge power of the cheating McLarrens was masked by running higher downforce.
;P


>
> Valencia is a new circuit so there is no direct comparison with 2007.

How about an indirect one? ;)

Brian Lawrence

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Engine Usage after 12 events - Valencia
=======================================

E# - Number of engines used by driver/team/engine supplier in 2008
Km. - Distance covered in practice/qualifying/race in 2008
Avg. - Average distance per engine in 2008
NENGP - New Engine at Next GP
FCNGP - "Free" engine Change at Next GP

Averages in [] indicate that the driver/team/engine supplier is halfway
through a two-race cycle.

All data from www.fia.com and/or www.forix.autosport.com.

C# Driver(s) Engine E# Km. Avg. Next
==================================================================
18 Takuma Sato Honda RA808E 2 1,548 [774] -----
19 Anthony Davidson Honda RA808E 2 1,145 [573] -----
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
3 Nick Heidfeld BMW P86/8 6 5,624 937 NENGP
7 Nico Rosberg Toyota RVX-08 6 5,370 895 NENGP
23 Heikki Kovalainen Mercedes FO108V 6 5,233 872 NENGP
22 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes FO108V 6 5,160 860 NENGP
17 Rubens Barrichello Honda RA808E 6 5,056 843 NENGP
10 Mark Webber Renault RS27 6 5,036 839 NENGP
8 Kazuki Nakajima Toyota RVX-08 6 4,877 813 NENGP
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
11 Jarno Trulli Toyota RVX-08 7 5,508 [787]
4 Robert Kubica BMW P86/8 7 5,426 [775]
12 Timo Glock Toyota RVX-08 7 5,331 762 NENGP
1 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 056 7 5,267 753 NENGP
2 Felipe Massa Ferrari 056 7 5,265 [752]
5 Fernando Alonso Renault RS27 7 4,973 [710] FCNGP
9 David Coulthard Renault RS27 7 4,627 661 NENGP
6 Nelsinho Piquet Renault RS27 7 4,520 [646]
16 Jenson Button Honda RA808E 7 4,499 [643]
14 Sebastien Bourdais Ferrari 056 7 4,393 [628]
21 G Fisichella Ferrari 056 7 4,309 [616]
15 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 056 7 4,021 [574]
20 Adrian Sutil Ferrari 056 7 3,831 547 NENGP
------------------------------------------------------------------
137 101,019 [737]


Team Engine E# Km. Avg.
==================================================
Super Aguri Honda RA808E 4 2,693 [673] -----
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
McLaren Mercedes FO108V 12 10,393 866
Williams Toyota RVX-08 12 10,247 854
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
BMW Sauber BMW P86/8 13 11,050 [850]
Red Bull Renault RS27 13 9,663 743
Honda Honda RA808E 13 9,555 [735]
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Toyota Toyota RVX-08 14 10,839 [774]
Ferrari Ferrari 056 14 10,532 [753]
Renault Renault RS27 14 9,493 [678]
Force India Ferrari 056 14 8,140 [581]
Toro Rosso Ferrari 056 14 8,414 [601]
--------------------------------------------------
137 101,019 [737]


Engine E# Km. Avg. Team(s)
============================================================
Mercedes FO108V 12 10,393 866 McLaren
BMW P86/8 13 11,050 [850] BMW Sauber
Toyota RVX-08 26 21,086 [811] Toyota, Williams
Honda RA808E 17 12,248 [720] Honda, [Super Aguri]
Renault RS27 27 19,156 [709] Renault, Red Bull
Ferrari 056 42 27,086 [645] Ferrari, Toro Rosso, Force India
------------------------------------------------------------
137 101,019 [737]


Forced Engine Changes (Incurring 10-place penalty)
==================================================

For 2008 the penalty is waived for the first such change of the season for
each driver. This waiver will not apply in the last event of the season.
Waivers are indicated below by a * before the car number.

GP Engine C# Team Driver When
====================================================================
01 AUS Ferrari 056 * 20 Force India A Sutil After Qual

02 MAL Ferrari 056 * 14 Toro Rosso S Bourdais After P3

09 GBR Ferrari 056 * 1 Ferrari K Räikkönen Pre-event

Number of forced changes
========================
Ferrari 3 (all penalty free)


'Free' Engine Changes (No penalty - driver failed to finish)
============================================================

GP Engine C# Team Driver
=======================================================
02 MAL Ferrari 056 1 Ferrari K Räikkönen
02 MAL Ferrari 056 2 Ferrari F Massa
02 MAL BMW P86/8 4 BMW Sauber R Kubica
02 MAL Renault RS27 6 Renault N Piquet
02 MAL Renault RS27 9 Red Bull D Coulthard
02 MAL Toyota RVX-08 11 Toyota J Trulli
02 MAL Toyota RVX-08 12 Toyota T Glock

04 ESP Ferrari 056 17 Toro Rosso S Vettel

06 MON Ferrari 056 21 Force India G Fisichella

07 CDN Renault RS27 9 Red Bull D Coulthard

08 FRA Renault RS27 5 Renault F Alonso

10 GER Honda RA808E 16 Honda J Button

11 HUN Toyota RVX-08 12 Toyota T Glock

Number of 'free' changes
========================
Ferrari 4
Renault 4
Toyota 3
BMW 1
Honda 1
--------------
13


Gearbox Usage
=============

Jo Bauer's Technical Report (click on 'Scrutineering Reports' on this page):

"http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressinformation/f1pressinfo/europe/Pages/europe.aspx"

says that Räikkönen, Alonso, Bourdais, Vettel, Sutil, Fisichella, Massa and
Hamilton started the event with new gearboxes. All except Massa had completed
four events with their previous 'box, while Massa was entitled to a free
after failing to finish the Hungaroring event.


Gearbox Penalties
=================

01 AUS Timo Glock Toyota after P3

06 MON Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso pre-event
06 MON G Fisichella Force India after P3
06 MON David Coulthard Red Bull after qual

07 CDN Sebastien Bourdais Toro Rosso after P3
07 CDN Jenson Button Honda after qual
07 CDN Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso after qual

08 FRA Rubens Barrichello Honda after qual

The penalty is a five-place grid demotion.

Note: Barrichello and Sutil both made changes after Valencia qualifying,
but I believe that they simply changed gear ratios (and made some
suspension changes). They were penalised by starting from the pitlane
(but were on the last row of the grid anyway). I don't think that these
constituted a 'gearbox change', but I might be wrong.

--

Brian Lawrence
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Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK


Brian Lawrence

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Introduction for New Readers
============================

2008 is the 11th season that I have posted these amateur overtaking
analyses. My intention was to allow easier comparisons between Grands
Prix, seasons, circuits, drivers, etc.

In order to make any meaningful and/or useful observations it is essential
to produce the stats in as consistent a way as possible. To do this I have
devised several "rules" that I try to follow for each event. Please note
before posting to complain that I missed an obvious passing manoeuvre that
it has probably been excluded because of one of my "rules". The rules are
outlined in the "Disclaimer" below - please read it.


This analysis was mainly derived from the official FIA lap chart, which is
usually available from www.fia.com, http://forix.autosport.com or
www.autosport.com/f1/ on race day or the following day. The original charts
remain copyright of the FIA.

Other excellent Formula One websites are available. This analysis is
completely unofficial.


Disclaimer
==========

For the purposes of this analysis, I only count what I will term "genuine"
passing manoeuvres, which means that I always exclude:

a) any place changes made during pit stops
b) all lapping or unlapping manoeuvres
c) any place changes made during the first lap

Hopefully, a) & b) are obvious. c) is because although lap one is often the
best opportunity to make up places, it is also not typical of the rest of
the race, and so, for the purpose of comparing races with other races and
seasons with other seasons, it is simpler to exclude lap one completely. I
do summarise the changes on lap one later in the post.

For the purposes of this analysis a "pit stop" encompasses the slowing down
lap and the out lap, since any passes during those laps MIGHT be due to the
driver slowing down or speeding up.

Passes are not counted in these stats UNLESS the gained position is held
until the start/finish line is next crossed and so gets recorded onto the
lap chart. I try to ignore anything that isn't recorded in the lap chart,
even if it was seen on TV.

These are the passes I read for the 2008 European Grand Prix:

Lap Place Passer (Passed)
==========================================
2 17 Coulthard (Barrichello)
5 16 Coulthard (Piquet)
7 14 Sutil (Fisichella) [team-mates]
51 15 Nakajima (Barrichello)

That's four passes in total.


The Last 10 Seasons
===================

To save space I have removed the columns for 1997-98 from this table. I
have included the data from those seasons in the Total & Avg. columns.
The number of passes for each GP in 1997-98 is summarised below the table.

1997-2008
Grand Prix 2008 '07 '06 '05 '04 '03 '02 '01 '00 '99 Total Avg.
===================================================================
1. Australia 11 11 23 5 9 38 19 18 13 41 198 18.4
2. Malaysia 11 12 16 7 20 16 27 47 31 11 199 19.8
3. Bahrain 14 20 39 14 15 -- -- -- -- -- 102 20.4
4. Spain 3 5 7 3 7 19 10 10 4 4 120 10.0
5. Turkey 11 15 25 30 -- -- -- -- -- -- 81 20.2
6. Monaco 21 2 19 10 5 0 9 6 2 5 83 7.5
7. Canada 17 21 9 12 19 8 15 13 14 14 174 14.5
8. France 9 6 5 5 14 12 3 8 17 43 146 12.2
9. Britain 44 16 6 8 11 49 47 7 8 13 260 21.7
10. Germany 25 -- 21 9 29 14 25 15 42 16 220 20.0
11. Hungary 3 5 32 12 6 25 1 5 10 7 145 12.1
12. Europe-3 4 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 4 4.0
13. Belgium .. 15 -- 28 22 -- 5 8 16 15 171 19.0
14. Italy .. 10 12 14 38 5 20 19 18 14 182 16.6
15. Singapore .. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - ---
16. Japan-2 .. 46 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 46 46.0
17. China .. 40 51 20 17 -- -- -- -- -- 128 32.0
18. Brazil .. 20 18 6 41 48 30 26 22 27 274 24.9
-------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Austria -- -- -- -- -- 20 18 17 20 30 155 22.1
-- Europe-2 -- 18 13 24 11 8 27 7 28 33 186 16.9
-- Japan-1 -- -- 13 12 21 20 2 17 8 4 125 12.5
-- San Marino -- -- 4 7 6 4 6 13 7 11 71 7.1
-- USA -- 14 5 0 16 36 21 21 51 - 164 20.5
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Totals 173 276 318 226 307 322 285 257 311 288 3335 16.7
No. GP 12 17 18 19 18 16 17 17 17 16 200
Race Avg. 14 16 18 12 17 20 17 15 18 18 17

1997-98
=======

Year Tot AUS BRA ARG RSM MON ESP CDN FRA GBR GER HUN BEL ITA AUT LUX JPN Eur
============================================================================
1997 331 3 32 39 5 29 36 22 7 7 14 28 51 4 21 11 9 13
1998 240 7 13 11 8 4 12 10 17 44 10 11 11 28 29 6 19 --

Note: In 1997-98 the Luxembourg GP [LUX] was held at the Nürburgring, and is
considered as equivalent to the European GP (1999-2007) - Europe-2. Europe-3
is the new Valencia venue. The 1997 European GP took place at Jerez (Europe-1),
and is a one-off event in the era covered by this table.


Top 30 Races for Overtaking (1997-2008)
=======================================

# Year GP Wet SC
===========================================
1. 51 1997 - Belgium Wet SC (1)
51 2000 - USA Wet
51 2006 - China Wet
4. 49 2003 - Britain SC (2)
5. 48 2003 - Brazil Wet SC (4) Race stopped
6. 47 1999 - Australia SC (2)
47 2001 - Malaysia Wet SC (1)
47 2002 - Britain Showers
9. 46 2007 - Japan Wet SC (2)
10. 44 1998 - Britain Wet SC (1)
44 2008 - Britain Wet

12. 43 1999 - France Wet SC (1)
13. 42 2000 - Germany Wet SC (2)
14. 41 2004 - Brazil Wet track
15. 40 2007 - China Wet
16. 39 1997 - Argentine SC (1)
39 2006 - Bahrain
18. 38 2003 - Australia SC (2)
38 2004 - Italy
20. 36 1997 - Spain
36 2003 - USA Wet

22. 33 1999 - Europe Wet
23. 32 1997 - Brazil
32 2006 - Hungary Wet SC (1)
25. 30 1999 - Austria
30 2002 - Brazil
30 2005 - Turkey
28. 29 1997 - Monaco Wet
29 1998 - Austria SC (1)
29 2004 - Germany


Top 20 'Dry' Races (Not wet & no Safety Car)
============================================

1. 39 2006 - Bahrain
2. 38 2004 - Italy
3. 36 1997 - Spain
4. 32 1997 - Brazil
5. 30 1999 - Austria
30 2002 - Brazil
30 2005 - Turkey
8. 29 2004 - Germany
9. 28 1997 - Hungary
28 1998 - Italy
28 2005 - Belgium

12. 27 1999 - Brazil
27 2002 - Malaysia
27 2002 - Europe
15. 25 2002 - Germany
25 2003 - Hungary
17. 24 2005 - Europe
18. 22 2000 - Brazil
19. 21 1997 - Austria
21 2001 - USA
21 2002 - USA
21 2004 - Japan
21 2006 - Germany


Drivers' Season Total
=====================

AUS MAL BRN ESP TUR MON CDN FRA GBR GER HUN EUR
=================================================================
20 Kovalainen 1 - - - 8 4 2 1 3 1 - -
14 Massa 3 - - - - - 8 1 2 - - -
13 Webber - - 1 - - 1 1 - 10 - - -
12 Räikkönen 1 - 1 - 1 - - - 3 6 - -
12 Hamilton - - 3 - 1 - - 4 1 3 - -
11 Rosberg - 2 - - - 2 1 - 3 2 1 -
10 Piquet - - 3 - 1 2 2 1 - 1 - -
10 Nakajima 1 2 2 - - - - - 3 1 - 1
9 Heidfeld - 2 2 1 - - 1 - 3 - - -
9 Alonso 2 1 - - - 1 - 1 3 1 - -
8 Barrichello - - - - - 1 - 1 5 1 - -
8 Coulthard 1 - - 1 - - - - - 4 - 2
7 Sutil 1 - - - - 2 - - - 3 - 1
6 Vettel - - - - - 4 1 - - 1 - -
4 Glock 1 - - - - 2 - - 1 - - -
4 Trulli - - - - - 2 - - 2 - - -
4 Fisichella - 1 1 - - - - - - 1 1 -
3 [Davidson] - 2 1 - - - - - - - - -
3 Kubica - - - - - - 1 - 2 - - -
3 Button - - - - - - - - 2 - 1 -
2 [Sato] - 1 - 1 - - - - - - - -
1 Bourdais - - - - - - - - 1 - - -
-----------------------------------------------------------------
173 11 11 14 3 11 21 17 9 44 25 3 4


No. of Times Overtaken
======================

AUS MAL BRN ESP TUR MON CDN FRA GBR GER HUN EUR
=================================================================
21 Nakajima 1 4 2 - - 3 1 - 4 4 2 -
16 Alonso 1 1 1 - 1 - - 3 5 4 - -
13 Piquet 2 - - - 1 5 - 1 2 1 - 1
13 Barrichello 1 1 1 - - 1 4 - 2 - 1 2
11 Fisichella - - - 1 - 4 - - 2 3 - 1
10 Kovalainen 1 - 1 - - - 1 - 6 1 - -
9 Bourdais 1 - 1 - - 1 3 - 3 - - -
9 Trulli - - 1 - - 1 2 - 3 2 - -
8 [Sato] 2 2 3 1 - - - - - - - -
8 Button - - - - 2 2 2 - 1 1 - -
7 Webber - - - - - 1 1 2 3 - - -
7 Rosberg - - - - 1 - 1 - 2 3 - -
6 Räikkönen 2 - - - - - - 1 3 - - -
5 Sutil - - - - 1 1 - 1 2 - - -
5 Glock - - - - 2 - 1 1 1 - - -
5 Vettel - 1 - - - 2 - - - 1 - -
5 Coulthard - 2 - - 1 - - - - 2 - -
5 Massa - - - - 1 - - - 3 1 - -
4 [Davidson] - - 3 1 - - - - - - - -
3 Heidfeld - - - - - - 1 - 2 - - -
3 Kubica - - 1 - - - - - - 2 - -

0 Hamilton - - - - - - - - - - - -
-----------------------------------------------------------------
173 11 11 14 3 11 21 17 9 44 25 3 4


Gains/Losses on Lap One
=======================

Plus 3: Sutil
Plus 2: Fisichella
Plus 1: Kovalainen, Rosberg, Glock, Button

No change: Massa, Hamilton, Kubica, Vettel, Trulli, Webber,
Barrichello

Minus 1: Räikkönen, Heidfeld, Bourdais
Minus 3: Piquet, Coulthard

Note: Nakajima and Alonso collided on the opening lap, both pitted
at the end of the lap, but only Nakajima rejoined the race.


Gains/Losses on Lap One in 2008
===============================

Driver Total (ASP) 1 2 BRN ESP TUR MON CDN FRA GBR GER HUN EUR
=====================================================================
Sutil +9 (18.7) - +3 - - - 0 0 +1 +3 -1 0 +3
Fisichella +7 (18.3) - -2 +3 +2 - 0 0 +1 +1 +1 -1 +2
Rosberg +7 (12.2) +2 +1 +1 +4 +2 -1 +1 0 - -1 -3 +1
Hamilton +4 (4.0) 0 +4 -6 +1 +1 +1 0 +3 +1 0 -1 0
[Sato] +4 (20.8) +3 -2 +3 0 - - - - - - - -
Massa +4 (3.1) - 0 +1 +1 0 0 0 0 - 0 +2 0
Kubica +3 (4.4) 0 +1 -1 -1 +2 0 0 0 0 +3 -1 0
Barrichello +3 (13.9) +1 -3 -2 -1 -1 -1 +1 +2 +2 +1 +4 0
Piquet +2 (13.6) +3 0 +2 0 -1 0 0 +1 +1 -1 0 -3
Kovalainen +1 (4.6) 0 +1 +1 0 -2 - 0 +1 0 0 -1 +1

Heidfeld -2 (8.8) -1 -5 0 +2 +1 +1 -1 -2 0 +1 +3 -1
Vettel -2 (13.9) - +1 - - - 0 - 0 - +1 -4 0
Trulli -2 (7.7) -1 -3 +2 -1 -3 0 +1 +1 +3 -1 0 0
[Davidson] -2 (21.2) - -1 -1 0 - - - - - - - -
Alonso -2 (6.3) 0 -2 +1 -1 +2 +1 -1 -1 -1 -1 +1 -
Glock -2 (11.6) 0 - 0 -3 -1 +1 -3 +2 -1 +1 +1 +1
Nakajima -3 (15.1) - +3 -3 -2 - +1 +2 +1 -3 0 -2 -
Bourdais -4 (16.3) -3 0 -1 -2 +1 0 0 -1 -3 +3 +3 -1
Räikkönen -4 (4.3) +2 0 +1 0 -2 -1 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
Button -4 (13.4) - -1 - 0 +1 - - -4 +1 +1 -2 +1
Webber -6 (7.9) - +2 0 -1 -1 -3 -1 -1 - -1 0 0
Coulthard -8 (12.1) -3 +3 -1 +1 0 +1 +1 -4 - -5 +2 -3

Note: The number in brackets (ASP) is the average starting position in 2008
(grid position after any penalties have been applied).

Obviously, a driver who often starts from pole position has very little chance
to gain places while one who usually starts at the back of the grid has a good
chance of gaining places.


Most Passes 1998-2008
=====================

Using only the data from my statistics these are all drivers who have achieved
50 or more passes.

205 R Barrichello *

154 M Schumacher
154 R Schumacher
153 D Coulthard *

129 J Button *
126 G Fisichella *
109 F Massa *
108 J Villeneuve
103 O Panis
103 J Trulli *

99 K Räikkönen *
95 JP Montoya
89 J Alesi
83 M Webber *
83 F Alonso *
80 N Heidfeld *
78 T Sato
73 H-H Frentzen
67 E Irvine
54 J Verstappen
50 M Salo

* Current drivers

Two other drivers who just missed getting on the list - Mika Häkkinen & Pedro
de la Rosa (both 49).

The totals for the other current drivers are:

42 R Kubica
42 N Rosberg
30 H Kovalainen
28 L Hamilton
21 A Sutil
12 K Nakajima
11 S Vettel
10 N Piquet
4 T Glock
1 S Bourdais


It's not unusual for me to make an occasional mistake or to omit something in
the above. I do, of course, take full responsibility for any errors. I would
be grateful to anyone for pointing them out, and will incorporate any
corrections in later posts.

--

Brian Lawrence
Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_...@msn.com


News

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Aug 30, 2008, 1:59:54 PM8/30/08
to
So, barring a change penalty, Massa is stuck with suspect con rods?

Brian Lawrence wrote:

> Engine Usage after 12 events - Valencia
> =======================================
>
> E# - Number of engines used by driver/team/engine supplier in 2008
> Km. - Distance covered in practice/qualifying/race in 2008
> Avg. - Average distance per engine in 2008
> NENGP - New Engine at Next GP
> FCNGP - "Free" engine Change at Next GP
>
> Averages in [] indicate that the driver/team/engine supplier is halfway
> through a two-race cycle.
>
> All data from www.fia.com and/or www.forix.autosport.com.
>
> C# Driver(s) Engine E# Km. Avg. Next
> ==================================================================

<snip>

> 23 Heikki Kovalainen Mercedes FO108V 6 5,233 872 NENGP
> 22 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes FO108V 6 5,160 860 NENGP

<snip>

Bigbird

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Aug 31, 2008, 8:27:00 PM8/31/08
to
News wrote:

> So, barring a change penalty, Massa is stuck with suspect con rods?
>

Is he?

Brian Lawrence

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Sep 25, 2008, 12:00:57 PM9/25/08
to
Driver Rankings after Valencia
==============================

Numbers in brackets () in second column indicate table positions before
adding the most recent GP (IE the change in table position).

GPs - number of GPs counted for each driver (from the last 100)

[-1] [+1], etc. - number of GPs deleted/added to driver's record since
the last event
PP - number of Pole Positions (in the last 100)
W - number of Wins (in the last 100)
FL - number of Fastest Laps (in the last 100)
Points - these are 'my' points, allocated for many & various things, not
just wins, poles, f.laps, etc.
[Change] - the change in points after adding the most recent GP data
** - current drivers


The Last 100 GPs (~6 years)
===========================

First race (#1) - Australian GP, 09 March 2003 (GP #698)
Last race (#100) - European GP, 24 August 2008 (GP #797)

Headlines
=========

The oldest race (#1) now moves into 2003. Lewis Hamilton moves up to
fourth place, displacing Michael Schumacher. Heikki Kovalainen moves
up to 14th, ahead of Montoya. Lower down the table most current drivers
move up a place.

Driver GPs [Ch] PP W FL Points [Change]
==================================================================
1 Kimi Räikkönen 99 16 17 31 5077.09 [-76.93] **
2 Fernando Alonso 99 [+1] 17 19 11 4939.95 [-90.25] **
3 Felipe Massa 82 13 9 9 4529.05 [+286.58] **
4 (5) Lewis Hamilton 29 [+1] 10 8 2 3255.66 [+78.04] **
5 (4) Michael Schumacher 71 [-1] 18 27 25 3151.99 [-98.66]
6 Rubens Barrichello 99 7 4 7 1846.46 [-27.33] **
7 Nick Heidfeld 94 1 - 2 1845.79 [-6.53] **
8 Giancarlo Fisichella 98 2 3 1 1815.82 [-11.84] **
9 Jenson Button 95 3 1 - 1658.04 [-11.89] **
10 Jarno Trulli 98 2 1 - 1533.19 [+12.78] **

11 Robert Kubica 33 [+1] 1 1 - 1338.75 [+48.30] **
12 David Coulthard 99 - 1 - 1219.61 [-2.98] **
13 Mark Webber 99 - - - 1219.26 [+0.47] **
14 (15) Heikki Kovalainen 29 [+1] 1 1 2 1192.34 [+40.74] **
15 (14) Juan Pablo Montoya 57 [-1] 3 6 6 1154.51 [-39.10]
16 Ralf Schumacher 79 [-1] 4 2 2 1099.89 [-31.52]
17 Nico Rosberg 47 [+1] - - 1 869.30 [+19.19] **
18 Takuma Sato 70 [-1] - - - 830.39 [-16.51]
19 Vitantonio Liuzzi 39 - - - 500.71 [-7.35]
20 Christijan Albers 45 - - - 465.14 [-8.18]

21 (22) Tiago Monteiro 36 - - - 399.19 [-7.82]
22 (21) Jacques Villeneuve 47 [-1] - - - 397.31 [-10.45]
23 Christian Klien 46 - - - 396.99 [-9.38]
24 Adrian Sutil 29 [+1] - - - 391.82 [+10.14] **
25 (26) Sebastian Vettel 20 [+1] - - - 370.07 [+36.91] **
26 (27) Timo Glock 16 [+1] - - - 361.09 [+31.13] **
27 (25) Alexander Wurz 17 - - - 337.94 [-4.57]
28 Scott Speed 28 - - - 317.89 [-4.81]
29 Anthony Davidson 22 - - - 311.32 [-3.85]
30 Kazuki Nakajima 13 [+1] - - - 302.98 [+21.27] **

31 Nelsinho Piquet 12 [+1] - - - 290.89 [+21.77] **
32 (33) Sébastien Bourdais 12 [+1] - - - 213.39 [+22.55] **
33 (32) Pedro de la Rosa 9 [-1] - - 1 208.70 [-3.56]
34 (35) Sakon Yamamoto 14 - - - 170.37 [-2.18]
35 (34) Narain Karthikeyan 19 - - - 169.27 [-3.82]
36 Robert Doornbos 11 - - - 127.66 [-2.28]
37 Olivier Panis 32 [-1] - - - 112.55 [-6.28]
38 Antonio Pizzonia 20 - - - 89.20 [-3.80]
39 Zsolt Baumgartner 20 - - - 88.99 [-3.59]
40 Cristiano da Matta 27 - - - 80.11 [-5.93]

41 Gianmaria Bruni 18 - - - 72.17 [-2.79]
42 Patrick Friesacher 11 - - - 69.96 [-1.72]
43 Franck Montagny 7 - - - 54.39 [-0.89]
44 Giorgio Pantano 14 - - - 48.15 [-2.08]
45 Yuji Ide 4 - - - 31.25 [-0.56]
46 Ricardo Zonta 5 - - - 28.68 [-0.92]
47 H-Harald Frentzen 15 - - - 25.97 [-3.15]
48 Jos Verstappen 16 - - - 24.22 [-2.76]
49 Justin Wilson 16 - - - 22.33 [-2.43]
50 Ralph Firman 14 - - - 18.81 [-2.34]

51 Marc Gené 3 - - - 18.64 [-0.91]
52 Nicholas Kiesa 5 - - - 15.70 [-1.12]
53 Markus Winkelhock 1 - - - 10.32 [-0.13]

Fifty three drivers have driven in the last 100 GPs. Since the Hingaroring
Mika Salo, Eddie Irvine and Alex Yoong have disappeared from the table.


The last 156 weeks (3 years)
============================

First race (#1) - Italian GP, 04 September 2005 (GP #746)
Last race (#52) - European GP, 24 August 2008 (GP #797)

Headlines
=========

Felipe Massa takes the number one spot from Kimi Räikkönen. Kovalainen
moves ahead of Button into ninth.

Driver GPs PP W FL Points [Change]
==================================================================
1 (2) Felipe Massa 51 13 9 9 4288.55 [+288.98] **
2 (1) Kimi Räikkönen 52 8 10 20 3936.04 [-178.43] **
3 Fernando Alonso 52 10 12 8 3902.36 [-93.95] **
4 Lewis Hamilton 29 [+1] 10 8 2 3255.66 [+78.04] **
5 Michael Schumacher 23 [-1] 4 7 7 1662.59 [-32.44]
6 Nick Heidfeld 47 - - 2 1511.95 [+0.68] **
7 Giancarlo Fisichella 51 1 1 - 1377.58 [-33.18] **
8 Robert Kubica 33 [+1] 1 1 - 1338.75 [+48.30] **
9 (10) Heikki Kovalainen 29 [+1] 1 1 2 1192.34 [+40.74] **
10 (9) Jenson Button 52 1 1 - 1155.00 [-14.12] **

11 Jarno Trulli 52 - - - 1030.43 [+13.66] **
12 Rubens Barrichello 51 - - - 1003.11 [-0.73] **
13 Mark Webber 52 - - - 928.33 [+8.25] **
14 David Coulthard 52 - - - 885.99 [-4.13] **
15 Nico Rosberg 47 [+1] - - 1 869.30 [+19.19] **
16 Ralf Schumacher 40 [-1] 1 - 1 714.54 [-22.64]
17 Takuma Sato 42 [-1] - - - 597.46 [-19.98]
18 Juan Pablo Montoya 15 [-1] 2 2 - 515.13 [-52.10]
19 Vitantonio Liuzzi 35 - - - 473.05 [-6.65]
20 Adrian Sutil 29 [+1] - - - 391.82 [+10.14] **

21 (22) Sebastian Vettel 20 [+1] - - - 370.07 [+36.91] **

23 (26) Timo Glock 12 [+1] - - - 330.27 [+32.16] **

27 Kazuki Nakajima 13 [+1] - - - 302.98 [+21.27] **
28 Nelsinho Piquet 12 [+1] - - - 290.89 [+21.77] **

32 Sébastien Bourdais 12 [+1] - - - 213.39 [+22.55] **

Forty drivers have driven in the last three years (156 weeks).


The last 104 weeks (2 years)
============================

First race (#1) - Turkish GP, 27 August 2006 (GP #764)
Last race (#34) - European GP, 24 August 2008 (GP #797)

Headlines
=========

Hamilton moves ahead of Räikkönen into second place. Kubica moves ahead
of Heidfeld into fifth. Fisichella moves up one place to ninth. Rosberg
enters the top 10 at 10. Button drops out of the top 10. Timo Glock
enters the top 20.

Driver GPs PP W FL Points [Change]
==================================================================
1 Felipe Massa 33 13 9 7 3739.18 [+245.14] **
2 (3) Lewis Hamilton 29 [+1] 10 8 2 3255.66 [+78.04] **
3 (2) Kimi Räikkönen 34 6 8 14 3127.18 [-90.36] **
4 Fernando Alonso 34 3 5 5 2308.26 [-57.03] **
5 (6) Robert Kubica 33 [+1] 1 1 - 1338.75 [+48.30] **
6 (5) Nick Heidfeld 34 - - 2 1292.70 [-31.14] **
7 Heikki Kovalainen 29 [+1] 1 1 2 1192.34 [+40.74] **
8 Jarno Trulli 34 - - - 787.64 [+21.90] **
9 (10) Giancarlo Fisichella 33 - - - 753.60 [+10.49] **
10 (12) Nico Rosberg 34 - - - 725.09 [+16.96] **

11 (13) Mark Webber 34 - - - 706.94 [+14.32] **
12 (11) Rubens Barrichello 33 - - - 705.80 [-17.60] **
13 (9) Jenson Button 34 - - - 669.18 [-78.35] **
14 David Coulthard 34 - - - 629.18 [-12.93] **
15 Takuma Sato 25 [-1] - - - 434.09 [-20.71]
16 Michael Schumacher 5 [-1] - 2 2 417.45 [-25.20]
17 Adrian Sutil 29 [+1] - - - 391.82 [+10.14] **
18 (19) Sebastian Vettel 20 [+1] - - - 370.07 [+36.91] **
19 (18) Ralf Schumacher 22 [-1] - - - 350.53 [-31.01]
20 (23) Timo Glock 12 [+1] - - - 330.27 [+32.15] **

24 Kazuki Nakajima 13 [+1] - - - 302.98 [+21.27] **
25 Nelsinho Piquet 12 [+1] - - - 290.89 [+21.76] **
26 (27) Sébastien Bourdais 12 [+1] - - - 213.39 [+22.55] **

Thirty four drivers have driven in the last two years (104 weeks).


The last 52 weeks (1 year)
==========================

First race (#1) - Turkish GP, 26 August 2007 (GP #780)
Last race (#18) - European GP, 24 August 2008 (GP #797)

Headlines
=========

A great deal of change this week - all of the top six change places.
Bourdais enters the top 20, meaning that all current drivers are now
in the top 20 positions.

Driver GPs PP W FL Points [Change]
==================================================================
1 (3) Felipe Massa 18 6 5 3 2153.62 [+304.83] **
2 (1) Lewis Hamilton 18 6 5 1 2029.68 [-151.79] **
3 (2) Kimi Räikkönen 18 3 5 9 1903.42 [-95.64] **
4 (5) Robert Kubica 18 1 1 - 950.30 [+15.80] **
5 (6) Heikki Kovalainen 18 1 1 2 925.25 [+19.71] **
6 (4) Fernando Alonso 18 1 1 1 897.22 [-49.56] **
7 Nick Heidfeld 18 - - 2 801.35 [-56.83] **
8 Jarno Trulli 18 - - - 527.03 [+20.81] **
9 Nico Rosberg 18 - - - 478.54 [-3.96] **
10 Mark Webber 18 - - - 455.19 [-0.51] **

11 Rubens Barrichello 17 - - - 410.57 [+0.35] **
12 David Coulthard 18 - - - 384.23 [+0.42] **
13 Jenson Button 18 - - - 350.72 [+11.71] **
14 (16) Timo Glock 12 [+1] - - - 330.27 [+32.16] **
15 (14) Sebastian Vettel 18 - - - 327.43 [+17.55] **
16 (15) Giancarlo Fisichella 18 - - - 304.96 [+1.27] **
17 Kazuki Nakajima 13 [+1] - - - 302.98 [+21.27] **
18 (19) Nelsinho Piquet 12 [+1] - - - 290.89 [+21.77] **
19 (18) Adrian Sutil 18 - - - 262.42 [-7.88] **
20 (21) Sébastien Bourdais 12 [+1] - - - 213.39 [+22.55] **

Twenty six drivers have driven in the last year (52 weeks).


Number of GP Wins
=================

Last 156 104 52
100 weeks weeks weeks
===========================================
Michael Schumacher 27 7 2 -
Fernando Alonso 19 12 5 1
Kimi Räikkönen 17 10 8 5
Felipe Massa 9 9 9 5
Lewis Hamilton 8 8 8 5
Juan Pablo Montoya 6 2 - -
Rubens Barrichello 4 - - -
Giancarlo Fisichella 3 1 - -
Ralf Schumacher 2 - - -
Robert Kubica 1 1 1 1
Heikki Kovalainen 1 1 1 1
Jenson Button 1 1 - -
Jarno Trulli 1 - - -
David Coulthard 1 - - -
-------------------------------------------
100 52 34 18


All-time Top 60
===============

The addition of the 2008 European GP results only changes the career
averages for the six current drivers who are ranked in the all-time
top 60.

Alonso, Räikkönen, Hamilton, Coulthard and Barrichello's averages
fall slightly, while Felipe Massa's win plus pole position and
fastest lap move him up three places and into the all-time top 20.
Jack Brabham is demoted from the 20, while Phil Hill and Lewis
Hamilton are demoted one place by Massa. Hamilton falls below Hill
as well for a net loss of two positions.

Current drivers are indicated by a '*'. Their averages are volatile and
will fluctuate from race to race.

Drivers with a limited number of starts are indicated by '%1', '%2' or
'%3' showing those with 25%, 50% and 75% of their respective averages.

Laps Laps Total Race
GPs PP W FL Led Raced Points Avg. WDC
====================================================================
1. Juan Manuel Fangio 51 30 23 23 1348 3031 9707 190.33 5
2. Alberto Ascari 31 14 13 13 925 1650 5455 175.98 2
3. Jim Clark 72 33 25 28 1943 3923 10622 147.53 2
4. Michael Schumacher 246 67 91 76 4996 13788 31350 127.44 7
5. Ayrton Senna 158 63 41 20 2967 8054 18243 115.46 3
6. Stirling Moss 64 16 16 18 1181 3304 6666 104.15 0
7. Giuseppe Farina 33 5 5 5 338 1827 3427 103.83 1
8. Jackie Stewart 99 17 27 15 1921 5216 9875 99.75 3
9. Alain Prost 198 33 51 41 2680 10485 19547 98.72 4
10. Damon Hill 114 20 22 19 1358 5778 9747 85.50 1

11. Fernando Alonso * 115 17 19 11 1159 6417 9150 79.56 2
12. Froilan González %3 26 3 2 6 272 1273 2058 79.15 0
13. Nigel Mansell 185 32 31 29 2077 8705 13827 74.74 1
14. Kimi Räikkönen * 132 16 17 32 985 6690 9662 73.19 1
15. Mike Hawthorn 44 4 3 6 223 2341 3165 71.92 1
16. Mika Häkkinen 160 25 20 25 1479 7654 11277 70.48 2
17. Juan Pablo Montoya 91 13 7 12 595 4726 6219 68.34 0
18. Niki Lauda 167 24 25 24 1592 8033 11167 66.87 3
19. Nelson Piquet 202 24 23 23 1566 9773 12809 63.41 3
20. Felipe Massa * 98 13 9 9 721 5445 6143 62.68 0

21. Jack Brabham 125 13 14 12 818 6109 7765 62.12 3
22. Phil Hill 48 6 3 6 171 2413 2958 61.62 1
23. Lewis Hamilton %2 * 29 10 8 2 559 1750 3563 61.44 0
24. James Hunt 92 14 10 8 634 3890 5385 58.53 1
25. Tony Brooks 38 3 6 3 133 1601 2216 58.30 0
26. Jochen Rindt 60 10 6 3 387 2516 3384 56.40 1
27. Jacky Ickx 115 13 8 14 529 5646 6174 53.69 0
28. Wolfgang von Trips 27 1 2 0 156 1341 1448 53.61 0
29. Jody Scheckter 111 3 10 5 675 6034 5778 52.06 1
30. Ronnie Peterson 123 14 10 9 704 5686 6282 51.08 0

31. Carlos Reutemann 144 6 12 6 645 6943 7322 50.84 0
32. Graham Hill 176 13 14 10 1102 8759 8888 50.50 2
33. Denny Hulme 112 1 8 9 435 6231 5642 50.38 1
34. Mario Andretti 127 18 12 10 798 5273 6318 49.75 1
35. Gilles Villeneuve 65 2 6 8 534 3186 3220 49.55 0
36. David Coulthard * 239 12 13 18 897 12100 11774 49.26 0
37. Alan Jones 116 6 12 13 589 5565 5672 48.90 1
38. Richie Ginther 52 0 1 3 116 2930 2518 48.42 0
39. John Surtees 111 8 6 11 308 4977 5262 47.41 1
40. Gerhard Berger 210 12 10 21 692 9783 9871 47.00 0

41. Emerson Fittipaldi 144 6 14 6 478 7285 6662 46.26 2
42. Clay Regazzoni 132 5 5 15 360 6596 6034 45.71 0
43. René Arnoux 149 18 7 12 506 6613 6757 45.35 0
44. Peter Revson 30 1 2 0 63 1565 1354 45.14 0
45. Jacques Villeneuve 161 12 11 9 627 8180 7211 44.79 1
46. Rubens Barrichello * 259 13 9 15 741 13184 11503 44.41 0
47. Dan Gurney 86 3 4 6 200 3673 3756 43.68 0
48. Peter Collins 32 0 3 0 127 1400 1372 42.87 0
49. Luigi Musso 24 0 1 1 6 1136 1000 41.68 0
50. Didier Pironi 69 3 3 5 295 3352 2850 41.31 0

51. François Cevert 46 0 1 2 129 2369 1892 41.14 0
52. Lorenzo Bandini 42 1 1 2 143 2260 1702 40.52 0
53. Luigi Villoresi 31 0 0 1 2 1533 1253 40.41 0
54. Bruce McLaren 101 0 4 3 41 5092 4031 39.91 0
55. Ralf Schumacher 180 5 6 8 358 9138 7136 39.65 0
56. Piero Taruffi %3 18 0 1 1 46 793 933 38.87 0
57. Keke Rosberg 112 4 5 3 510 5178 4250 37.95 1
58. Luigi Fagioli %2 7 0 1 0 8 351 515 36.77 0
59. Patrick Depailler 95 1 2 4 164 4635 3426 36.06 0
60. Jacques Laffite 173 7 6 6 283 7970 6228 36.00 0

Other current drivers
=====================

Five drivers merit a full average but are below the top 60.

... Jenson Button 146 3 1 0 100 7420 4681 32.06 0
... Giancarlo Fisichella 205 3 3 2 210 10251 6345 30.95 0
... Nick Heidfeld 144 1 0 2 25 7613 4047 28.11 0
... Jarno Trulli 194 2 1 0 149 9602 5290 27.27 0
... Mark Webber 115 0 0 0 10 5442 2576 22.40 0

Only Trulli improved his average in Valencia.

Nine drivers have insuffucient starts to qualify for a full average.

... Robert Kubica %2 33 1 1 0 56 1923 1456 22.06 0
... Heikki Kovalainen %2 29 1 1 2 24 1741 1251 21.57 0
... Nico Rosberg %3 47 0 0 1 0 2346 1038 16.57 0
... Sebastian Vettel %2 20 0 0 0 3 853 384 9.61 0
... Timo Glock %1 16 0 0 0 3 902 422 8.79 0
... Nelsinho Piquet %1 12 0 0 0 6 574 283 7.87 0
... Kazuki Nakajima %1 13 0 0 0 0 746 302 7.75 0
... Adrian Sutil %2 29 0 0 0 0 1207 429 7.40 0
... Sébastien Bourdais %1 12 0 0 0 0 537 210 5.83 0

All except Sutil improved their average slightly.

peter

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Sep 25, 2008, 1:47:50 PM9/25/08
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Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_...@msn.com> writes

>Headlines
>=========
>
>The oldest race (#1) now moves into 2003. Lewis Hamilton moves up to
>fourth place, displacing Michael Schumacher.

Ouch...you can almost hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from
certain quarters....heh heh.
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"This is slave 'Max' a dirty rubber slut!"

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