Driving Style and Fuel Consumption?
EX_OWM
is regarded as having an aggressive driving style, Jensen Button as having a
much smoother style; does that mean that next year with no refueling, Button
will be starting with lesser fuel load? If so, will it be in any way
significant?
Bob Dubery
Given that primary aim of the game is to get around the circuit as
quickly as possible I doubt there'll be a huge difference in fuel
loads.
What may be a factor is managing tyre wear when the car is heavy.
There's a school of thought that says that Button will have and
advantage there as his smooth style is going to take less out of the
tyres.
forty
> On Dec 8, 9:07 pm, "EX_OWM" <allthespamyoul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is there much difference in fuel consumption between drivers? Lewis Hamilton
>> is regarded as having an aggressive driving style, Jensen Button as having a
>> much smoother style; does that mean that next year with no refueling, Button
>> will be starting with lesser fuel load? If so, will it be in any way
>> significant?
>
> Given that primary aim of the game is to get around the circuit as
> quickly as possible I doubt there'll be a huge difference in fuel
> loads.
>
In other single-seaters there have been some instances where drivers
were able to keep pace with the leaders while being lean on fuel. Over
the course of a GP, I would guess that it might equate to getting 3 - 5
laps more out of the same fuel load, which would then mean that they
could start with 3 to 5 laps worth of fuel less. I don't know how
significant a difference that could make in terms of pace, though, and I
could be off on the relative similarities between other single-seaters
and F1. But it seems worth pondering IMO. I'm curious if any engineers
have commented on this.
> What may be a factor is managing tyre wear when the car is heavy.
> There's a school of thought that says that Button will have and
> advantage there as his smooth style is going to take less out of the
> tyres.
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> Bob Dubery wrote:
>> On Dec 8, 9:07 pm, "EX_OWM" <allthespamyoul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Is there much difference in fuel consumption between drivers? Lewis
>>> Hamilton
>>> is regarded as having an aggressive driving style, Jensen Button as
>>> having a
>>> much smoother style; does that mean that next year with no refueling,
>>> Button
>>> will be starting with lesser fuel load? If so, will it be in any way
>>> significant?
>>
>> Given that primary aim of the game is to get around the circuit as
>> quickly as possible I doubt there'll be a huge difference in fuel
>> loads.
>>
>
> In other single-seaters there have been some instances where drivers were
> able to keep pace with the leaders while being lean on fuel. Over the
> course of a GP, I would guess that it might equate to getting 3 - 5 laps
> more out of the same fuel load, which would then mean that they could
> start with 3 to 5 laps worth of fuel less. I don't know how significant a
> difference that could make in terms of pace, though, and I could be off on
> the relative similarities between other single-seaters and F1. But it
> seems worth pondering IMO. I'm curious if any engineers have commented on
> this.
Isn't this roughly what happens in IRL? But, IIRC, its more on the ovals.
AC
Edmund
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Are you new here?, they will fuel Button heavier, regardless.
Edmund
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On Dec 9, 6:07 am, "EX_OWM" <allthespamyoul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there much difference in fuel consumption between drivers?
Yes, but ... long answer required, I do not have enough time.
> Lewis Hamilton
> is regarded as having an aggressive driving style, Jensen Button as having a
> much smoother style; does that mean that next year with no refueling, Button
> will be starting with lesser fuel load? If so, will it be in any way
> significant?
It depends on so many variables. The important bit will be tyres. In
07 - 08 LH chewed up his tyres faster than they could get them on the
car BUT in 09 that has turned around and the McLaren could go longer
than most other cars. It is possible JB may be the one with problems
getting heat into the tyres as HK had..
It's easier to fuel save when leading so the pole sitter may gamble on
a lighter weight ... so qually will be important and next year it's
light fuel qually so that prob favours LH ( and MW:-). The variables
stack up. They start with the car design, weight dist, suspension
designed to be kind to tyres, etc, etc. The compromises have to
include a car that is fast on low fuel for qually but must be quick in
the race on full tanks. At McLaren you have two drivers with
dramatically different driving styles. And as all this started months
ago, at McLaren you would have to say the car design will favour LH.
A single stop strategy saves around twenty something seconds *if* the
car isn't twenty something seconds slower over the distance, he wins.
I'll try to find time for a much longer discussion on the subject as
it is a lengthy one.
beers,
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Chad
> On Dec 8, 9:07 pm, "EX_OWM" <allthespamyoul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is there much difference in fuel consumption between drivers? Lewis
>> Hamilton is regarded as having an aggressive driving style, Jensen
>> Button as having a much smoother style; does that mean that next
>> year with no refueling, Button will be starting with lesser fuel
>> load? If so, will it be in any way significant?
>
> Given that primary aim of the game is to get around the circuit as
> quickly as possible I doubt there'll be a huge difference in fuel
> loads.
>
I agree there won't be a large difference between drivers in the same car at
race pace.
But I bet this an area we see a lot of thought go into as the season
progresses. If Button could somehow adapt his driving to start with 2 or 3
laps less fuel than Lewis, it could help quite a bit over race distance I
think.
--
Chad
Bob Dubery
> But I bet this an area we see a lot of thought go into as the season
> progresses. If Button could somehow adapt his driving to start with 2 or 3
> laps less fuel than Lewis, it could help quite a bit over race distance I
> think.
Poor old Jenson. Nobody seems to think he's actually quick. The only
way he can beat Lewis is by being kinder to tyres, saving a little
fuel etc etc.
Mark
I think the problem here is not being quick - the history of F1 is
littered with fast drivers who got little or nothing - it's about being
quick*er*.
Overall, I think few would expect him to be quicker than Hamilton and,
given he's new to McLaren, there's even more reason to expect him to be
slower.
At the same time, the pressure's off, despite being reigning WDC. He
could yet surprise us all.
forty
This has happened in IRL on road & street courses as well as ovals, and
it also happened in Champ Car which was exclusively road & street
courses at the end of its days. It was more notable in Champ Car given
that they did not have any driver controls for fuel consumption other
than their driving techniques (at least in the Panoz DP01 chassis). Some
drivers were very skilled at being fast while saving fuel at the same
time and it did often result in an extra lap or two per stint without
being off the pace when they were in fuel-saving mode.
Chad
Lewis looked rather hot in that McLaren at Abu Dabi! Personally I wouldn't
expect any other driver on the grid to keep up with Lewis in that car next
year, no disrespect to Jenson or anyone else intended.
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Chad
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In my opinion you blocks are missing the most important point. The
effect of the weight on the tyres. Fuel economy comes after that. Will
endeavour to post more soon.
beers,
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> At the same time, the pressure's off, despite being reigning WDC.
> He could yet surprise us all.
I for one, hope he does but if he does I'll be wrong.
beers,
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> Lewis looked rather hot in that McLaren at Abu Dabi! Personally I wouldn't
> expect any other driver on the grid to keep up with Lewis in that car next
> year, no disrespect to Jenson or anyone else intended.
>
> --
> Chad
In Abu Dhabi KERS flattered.
beers,
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CatharticF1
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True - weight will make a difference. And finally the kindness of the
Ferrari to its tyres might pay off.. though they won't be on the front
row. Will Ferrari ever win Monaco again!? I mean even in 2002 and 2004
they couldn't win. If you're not at the front you may as well go home. No
surprise Schu parked the thing in qualifying in 2006. Ok - end of rant..
Onto the fuel / tyres thing.
I'd suggest that for fuel, in order the factors are:
1. Engine
2. Aero (dependent upon the circuit)
3. Driver
And for tyres:
1. Chassis / Aero
2. Weight (so fuel)
3. Engine (though this may be becoming less significant between engines)
4. Driver
McLaren and Brawn had the most powerful and fuel efficient engine this
year. With Brawn kind to its tyres and the McLaren able to pull a better
single lap out. Though McLaren were hardly bad and the fact that Lewis
had no tyre issues this year speaks volumes about the pairing. I think
they're both (Brawn and McLaren) well positioned for next year.
Ferrari need to improve their fuel efficiency and like Brawn getting heat
into their tyres, and preserve the characteristic they had of being the
kindest to their tyres.
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CatharticF1
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Worth repeating, particularly in this context:
"The secret is to win going as slowly as possible."
EX_OWM
Thanks for that, I had forgotten how good a writer Clive James is.
mower man
And what a great fan of F1 and ALL things technological. He recently on
BBC Radio 4 blathered away with some ultimately brilliant nerdy stuff
about WWII fighter aircraft and made it totally amusing to anyone!
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Chris
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