Mike Lawrence is on form today!
Paul-B
I have to say I'm enjoying Pitpass roday!
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Paul-B
AC
"Paul-B" <pa...@rasf1.net> wrote in message
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Yeah, I just read that too. I'm no fan of ML, but this was pretty funny in
places.
AC
Sir Tim
>http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php?fes_art_id=39637
>
>I have to say I'm enjoying Pitpass roday!
Yeah - I'm reading Pitpass again now I've found out how to kill all
the flashing whatsits.
--
Henry Birkin Bt.
News
> Paul-B wrote...
>> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php?fes_art_id=39637
>>
>> I have to say I'm enjoying Pitpass roday!
>
>
> we had at least one arab apologist claiming the opposite. Wonder if
> he'll be having at go at Pitpass too?
>
>
>
Unlikely. He's probably out of his <slave labor> PR job now...
build
Lawrence is inferring that as Dubai has deferred US$26b of debt that
Abu Dhabi is in financial trouble so has cancelled an historic event
at Yas Marina. Does that make any sense?
beers,
build
build
The above should read "Dubai World" not Dubai.
For those who don't know, "Dubai World" is a govt owned co developing
another of those luxury island developments.
beers,
build
> build wrote...
Certainly not because of a financial crisis. Abu Dhabi is massively
wealthy. Their neighbour Dubai has sneezed and not a big sneeze that
and that does not mean Abu Dhabi will catch a cold.
If Mexico has financial problems it does not mean the US is in crisis,
that's what Lawrence is suggesting, it is ludicrous.
beers,
build
Paul-B
Are you unable to answer a straight question?
"Care to explain why the Classic race has been cancelled?"
You're as good at dissembling as Brenda. Must be an Australian thing.
--
Paul-B
Ian Rawlings
> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php?fes_art_id=39637
>
> I have to say I'm enjoying Pitpass roday!
What's that Scooby?
--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
http://youtube.com/tarcus69
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarcus/sets/
build
Sorry Paul,
What part of "Certainly not because of a financial crisis." did you
not comprehend?
beers,
build
Porte Rouge
Wikipedia's definition doesn't really fit with the his use of the
term.
Porte
build
> and defaults on debts - but it's not a Dubai debt?
>
> Your fuckwittery is boundless.
Noj,
No "Dubai World" is owned by the Dubai state not "Dubai gubberment".
I should have realised some subscribers to the group would not have a
grasp of financial structures like limited liability companies,
however it is too far off topic for this discussion so I'd suggest you
do a google for "limited liability company"
beers,
build
News
Correct. DWC debt holders just imagined (hoped) it was sovereign debt.
build
> build wrote:
> > Noj,
> > No "Dubai World" is owned by the Dubai state not "Dubai gubberment".
> > I should have realised some subscribers to the group would not have a
> > grasp of financial structures like limited liability companies,
> > however it is too far off topic for this discussion so I'd suggest you
> > do a google for "limited liability company"
>
> > beers,
> > build
>
> Correct. DWC debt holders just imagined (hoped) it was sovereign debt.
G'day News,
yeah, pretty much as you say but the banks PR dept would word it
something like "Dubai Worlds debt structure would reflect on the State
of Dubai", lol. Same old ...
I think the most nervous of the banks will be the smaller ones like
RBS as the bulk of the debts are to Arab banks so their voting power
is at the mercy of those bigger Arab banks, not a good thing. That
said, according to Shaws Abu Dhabi threw US$10b a few days ago and
another US$10b is on it's way so the banks are probably heaving a sigh
of relief.
For those who do not know "Dubai" and "Abu Dhabi" are separate states.
Dubai's income is mostly finance, property, development, etc only a
small portion is energy. Abu Dhabi on the other hand is one of the
worlds largest oil producers. So in summary Dubai is a "Vegas" of the
east and reliant on foreign income which is still considerable. Abu
Dhabi has a license to print oil money and is not in danger of a
financial crisis.
beers,
build
build
You foreigners, being isolated from the greatest nation on earth may
not be aware that the greatest motor racing series on earth, the
series that the F1's support in Melbourne is going to Yas Marina in
Feb. No mention of that being canceled yet.
beers,
build
Bob Dubery
> build wrote:
> > Certainly not because of a financial crisis. Abu Dhabi is massively
> > wealthy. Their neighbour Dubai has sneezed and not a big sneeze that
> > and that does not mean Abu Dhabi will catch a cold.
>
> > If Mexico has financial problems it does not mean the US is in crisis,
> > that's what Lawrence is suggesting, it is ludicrous.
>
> > beers,
> > build
>
> Are you unable to answer a straight question?
>
> "Care to explain why the Classic race has been cancelled?"
>
> You're as good at dissembling as Brenda. Must be an Australian thing.
I don't see that he's dissembling. He's just arguing that the
cancelling of a particular race in Abu Dhabi is not motivated by a
financial crisis.
The Yas Marina circuit is still publicising the Oz V8 event in
February. If they're in such pooh then why is that one going ahead?
The classic race at Yas Marina was to be a joint venture between the
circuit and Masters Historic Racing. Earlier this year MRH pulled out
of an event at the Nurburgring.
What Lawrence doesn't tell (and I wonder if he knows) is WHO pulled
the plug on the event. It wasn't necessarily the circuit owners. He
also doesn't say WHY. He surmises that. MRH pulled out of the meeting
at the 'Ring because of differences over what they call "Event
Content".
What Lawrence is doing here embodies a classic logical fallacy -
affirming the consequent. Say we have a plane, the Bobliner. Say that
it is known that at 500mph the Bobliner becomes unstable. That does
not mean that if a Bobliner crashes it must have exceeded 500mph.
There are other possibilities, and it's wrong to exclude them.
build
G'day Bob ... others,
It was MHR that canceled the event. What I can tell you is that MHR
canceled the event and notified the entrants on the 25th Nov not the
2nd of Dec as Lawrence wrote so he has one fact wrong. Also the
entrant who passed that info has said he wonders how many more will be
canceled in 2010 and was surprised more were not canceled on 2009.
Read what you will into those comments.
What confounds me is that Lawrence knows the article is waffle and
will be shown to be such yet he published it. Does he think all the
readers are idiots?
beers,
build
Ian Rawlings
Well you desert countries have to stick together ;-)
I hear you're exporting camels back to the arab nations now, probably
sending coal to Newcastle next!
Paul-B
He was asked a direct question.
"Care to explain why the Classic race has been cancelled?"
He wriggles like Brendan but is afraid to actually admit that he can't
answer the question.
Very Brenda-like.
--
Paul-B
AC
"build" <bui...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:03bd6087-40cb-4786...@d9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Um sorry, but if you claim to understand Dubai or Abu Dhabi financial
structures then, like quantum physics, you don't.
I've been listening to a lot of very clever people trying to explain who
owns what and who is responsible for what, and with out exception every
credible debate or conversation that I have heard has ended with, "but to be
honest, we don't actually know". Every one is in "best guess" mode. No one
understands it, which is why people are worrying.
AC
AC
Yes.
AC
Bob Dubery
To be fair, it's really an opinion piece, as most of Lawrence's are.
At least I hope it's an opinion piece. Even then it seems that he's
playing a bit fast and loose with the facts and the conclusions that
he draws, but it would be a whole lot worse if it Pitpass want it to
be regarded as expert analysis or actual reportage.
AC
"Porte Rouge" <porter...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c2c1f754-84e4-4b36...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
He is using in it that vile British class way. Anything that is considered
beneath "one" is now called "chav". The use of the word "chav" now says more
about the snobbish arrogant ignorance of the person saying it than the
subject of the attack.
In this way, one could describe that article as "chav". It hits the lowest
common denominator and is purely designed to sensationalize the issues.
Lawrence writes like he is writing a long version of a Sun story.
AC
Bob Dubery
Can you? Other than by repeating Lawrence's less than watertight
version of events?
IIRC Build has also posted more information on this cancellation
elsewhere in the thread, saying that it was, in fact, MRH who pulled
David Melville
How's the view from up there, AC?
--
Cheers,
Dave
Don't touch me unless you love me.
David Melville
From whence the term "chav", anyway?
I understand it's English slang, but what is its origin?
Mark
> On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:09:54 +1100, AC <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>> He is using in it that vile British class way. Anything that is
>> considered beneath "one" is now called "chav". The use of the word
>> "chav" now says more about the snobbish arrogant ignorance of the person
>> saying it than the subject of the attack.
>>
>> In this way, one could describe that article as "chav". It hits the
>> lowest common denominator and is purely designed to sensationalize the
>> issues. Lawrence writes like he is writing a long version of a Sun story.
>
>
> I understand it's English slang, but what is its origin?
The OED's earliest reference for "chav" is from uk.local.kent on
08/05/1998:
"Travelling from Maidstone to Chatham every day was bad enough. I
was born in Brompton so am I a Chav or what?"
Wikipedia references this:
http://www.worldwidewords.org/topicalwords/tw-cha2.htm
and others to suggest that it's derived from Romani where one word for
"child" is "chavi".
Then they have suspected backronyms like "Council House And Violent" or
"CHeltenham AVerage".
I first noticed it applied to relatively young guys who insisted on
wearing Burberry accessories and who hung around in small gangs being
annoying in the late '90s..
We'll probably never know for sure where it really originated.
David Melville
wrote:
Ta.
Oddly, I had considered it might be an acronym, and, believe it or not,
had thought of "Commission Housing" but could come up with nothing for the
"-av" part.
David Melville
wrote:
> David Melville <davidm...@exemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> From whence the term "chav", anyway?
>>
>> I understand it's English slang, but what is its origin?
>
> The OED's earliest reference for "chav" is from uk.local.kent on
> 08/05/1998:
>
> "Travelling from Maidstone to Chatham every day was bad enough. I
> was born in Brompton so am I a Chav or what?"
>
> Wikipedia references this:
>
> http://www.worldwidewords.org/topicalwords/tw-cha2.htm
>
> and others to suggest that it's derived from Romani where one word for
> "child" is "chavi".
>
> Then they have suspected backronyms like "Council House And Violent" or
> "CHeltenham AVerage".
>
> I first noticed it applied to relatively young guys who insisted on
> wearing Burberry accessories and who hung around in small gangs being
> annoying in the late '90s..
>
> We'll probably never know for sure where it really originated.
This is a big help:
http://therhonddarover.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/chav.jpg
Paul-B
No I can't. But then, no-one has asked me until you did, and I have
answered truthfully, which is more than can be said for build.
> IIRC Build has also posted more information on this cancellation
> elsewhere in the thread, saying that it was, in fact, MRH who pulled
> the plug on the event.
Yeah, right, and that is still disputed, and he still hasn't answered
the question.
--
Paul-B
Bob Dubery
truthful.
>
> > IIRC Build has also posted more information on this cancellation
> > elsewhere in the thread, saying that it was, in fact, MRH who pulled
> > the plug on the event.
>
> Yeah, right, and that is still disputed, and he still hasn't answered
> the question.
Disputed? He's given more of an explanation than Lawrence has.
Lawrence is just saying that the event's off and that it MUST be Abu
Dhabi that's pulled the plug and it MUST be a financial crisis. Build
certainly hasn't offered anything less probable than that.
Paul-B
Oh for crying out loud, how many Times?
HE HASN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION!
--
Paul-B
Bob Dubery
Let's take this from the top....
Build writes:
>>>Lawrence is inferring that as Dubai has deferred US$26b of debt that
>>>Abu Dhabi is in financial trouble so has cancelled an historic event
>>>at Yas Marina. Does that make any sense?
So Noj comes out with:
>> Care to explain why the Classic race has been cancelled?
See what's going on here? Build has poked a reasonable, plausible hole
into a superficially impressive but flawed rant from Lawrence. He's
said the article is bollocks (I agree). He hasn't pretended to know
the whole truth of the matter.
But it's not good enough for Noj. Nor, I think, for you. Presumably
it's enough to say that bollocks is bollocks and this is why it's
bollocks. It is required to show the truth that Lawrence himself
seemingly cannot.
Anyhoo, Build actually gives an answer to the question:
>Certainly not because of a financial crisis. Abu Dhabi is massively
>wealthy. Their neighbour Dubai has sneezed and not a big sneeze that
>and that does not mean Abu Dhabi will catch a cold.
>
>If Mexico has financial problems it does not mean the US is in crisis,
>that's what Lawrence is suggesting, it is ludicrous.
So he hasn't dodged the question. He responded to it. I think it's
reasonable.
But OK... let's accept your version of events, namely that "HE HASN'T
ANSWERED THE QUESTION!" and move on to some more straight questions
and see what answers are forthcoming.
1) You posted (and I quote) "You're as good at dissembling as Brenda.
Must be an Australian thing." Now putting aside that if Brendon took a
similar tilt at the British you'd be calling him a racist, where
exactly has Build dissembled?
2) Elsewhere in this thread Build posted that "G'day Bob ... others,
It was MHR that canceled the event" etc etc. I pointed this out to
you. You replied "Yeah, right, and that is still disputed,". OK... so
looking at the thread in Google Groups there is exactly one reply to
that post from Build and it is a very short one. It reads "yes".
That's it. The entirety of the single reply. So where is the disputing
of Build's version of events?
3) I asked if you knew why the Abu Dhabi Classic had been cancelled.
You replied "No I can't. But then, no-one has asked me until you did,
and I have
answered truthfully, which is more than can be said for build. " Now
let's not beat around the bush any more, you are saying that Build has
not answered truthfully. Which is interesting, because if he hasn't
answered at all, which was your earlier assertion, then how can he
have answered untruthfully? But never mind that, where is untruth from
Build? Can you quote it?
I think we know what sort of answers we're going to be getting here.
Build hasn't dissembled, hasn't been untruthful and his version of
events is not disputed.
What seems to have stirred things up here is that he's looked at
Lawrence's rant (and that's what it is), found that it doesn't make a
lot of sense and has said so.
Is that so bad?
Bob Dubery
> To be fair, it's really an opinion piece, as most of Lawrence's are.
> At least I hope it's an opinion piece. Even then it seems that he's
> playing a bit fast and loose with the facts and the conclusions that
> he draws, but it would be a whole lot worse if it Pitpass want it to
> be regarded as expert analysis or actual reportage.
I e-mailed Pitpass, asking them in what light Mike Lawrence's articles
should be considered. The gist of their reply was that the piece we
are discussing here is to be considered as Mike Lawrence's opinion.
AC
"David Melville" <davidm...@exemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:op.u4gmp7t0h6mygt@david-desktop...
Fantastic.
Luckily, way above even me, there are far smarter people than me whom I can
rely on for better information than random Usenet posters.
Note how it is very clearly implied that I don't know jack shit about the
finances of these places either. I am happy to admit that I don't know
something or concede when I am wrong. A humility that is sadly lacking from
most.
So I ask you, how is your view, from a position clearly far higher than
mine? Must be incredibly comfortable sitting on that sofa of pure, perfect
knowledge, knowing that merely dismissing people is far easier than
admitting to error.
AC
AC
"Mark" <sp...@not.welcome.here.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:hfdg24$9cu$1...@north.jnrs.ja.net...
Just for the sake of it, that my understanding(ish) of the word too.
I had a colleague who lived in Maidstone who first used the word to me, and
pointed me to an "are you a chav" type website. This was something like 9/10
years ago, before I ever heard the word was used in the media.
Interestingly the only explanation he had for the word was that it was
simply a shortened form of Chatham, "Cha", with a "v" just bunged on the
end. He reckoned that the other explanations were from media types trying to
over intellectualize the term. Given where the word came from I find this
explanation to be the most likely.
:) Oops. Might be being a bit hypocritical there.......... Coat time.
AC
CatharticF1
> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php?fes_art_id=39637
>
> I have to say I'm enjoying Pitpass roday!
Such good news that the circuit and its contrived bland track may all end
up being reclaimed by the desert in the short term.
--
CatharticF1
"What you thought was freedom is just greed."
CatharticF1
news:814f446d-17d9-4155...@u8g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
> On Dec 5, 3:36�am, "Paul-B" <p...@rasf1.net> wrote:
>> build wrote:
>> > On Dec 5, 3:05�am, Noj <m...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> > > build wrote...
>>
>> > > > On Dec 5, 12:16�am, "Paul-B" <p...@rasf1.net> wrote:
>> > > > >http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php?fes_art
>> > > > >_
>> > > > > id=39637
>>
>> > > > > I have to say I'm enjoying Pitpass roday!
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Paul-B
>>
>> > > > Lawrence is inferring that as Dubai has deferred US$26b of debt
>> > > > that Abu Dhabi is in financial trouble so has cancelled an
>> > > > historic event at Yas Marina. Does that make any sense?
>>
>> > > Care to explain why the Classic race has been cancelled?
>>
>> > Certainly not because of a financial crisis. Abu Dhabi is massively
>> > wealthy. Their neighbour Dubai has sneezed and not a big sneeze
>> > that and that does not mean Abu Dhabi will catch a cold.
>>
>> > If Mexico has financial problems it does not mean the US is in
>> > crisis, that's what Lawrence is suggesting, it is ludicrous.
>>
>> > beers,
>> > build
>>
>> Are you unable to answer a straight question?
>>
>> "Care to explain why the Classic race has been cancelled?"
>>
>> You're as good at dissembling as Brenda. Must be an Australian thing.
>> --
>> Paul-B
>
> Sorry Paul,
> What part of "Certainly not because of a financial crisis." did you
> not comprehend?
Paul beung paul uses the quaint tactic of focussing on a question at a
tangent and then pursing it rigorously in deference to the main debate.
Which he doesn't want.
CatharticF1
> Oh for crying out loud, how many Times?
>
> HE HASN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION!
Your questions are so often immaterial or a distraction to the main
discussion. Rather than backpedalling you act the jumped up pratt. Well
that's not really fair I suppose - you're not acting :)
build
> > and defaults on debts - but it's not a Dubai debt?
>
> > Your fuckwittery is boundless.
Left that in to continue Noj's embarrassment.
>
> >Noj,
> >No "Dubai World" is owned by the Dubai state not "Dubai gubberment".
> >I should have realised some subscribers to the group would not have a
> >grasp of financial structures like limited liability companies,
> >however it is too far off topic for this discussion so I'd suggest you
> >do a google for "limited liability company"
>
> >beers,
> >build
>
> Um sorry,
Apology accepted.
> but if you claim to understand Dubai or Abu Dhabi financial
> structures then, like quantum physics, you don't.
Perhaps the above came out differently than it was intended, if so
ignore the following. I think you are trying to words into a post that
were not there. I never claimed any such thing. And, as you do not
know what my knowledge of financial structures is, posting "you don't"
was based on what?
> I've been listening to a lot of very clever people trying to explain who
> owns what and who is responsible for what, and with out exception every
> credible debate or conversation that I have heard has ended with, "but to be
> honest, we don't actually know". Every one is in "best guess" mode. No one
> understands it, which is why people are worrying.
Then may I suggest you subscribe to a reliable financial news service,
the good ones have a firm understanding of the entire structure.
Personally I have no interest other than the summary which read
something like "it is not a lot of money", nuff said.
I like your posts mate, many are worth reading but if you come at me
from an arrogant altitude ...
> AC
I look forward to other interesting discussion with you about F1.
beers,
build
build
> >What confounds me is that Lawrence knows the article is waffle and
> >will be shown to be such yet he published it. Does he think all the
> >readers are idiots?
>
> Yes.
>
> AC
I can't get my head around that sort of arrogance from Lawrence.
BTW, if Lawrence does not know why it was canceled he is a fool and
despite his ramblings I do not think he is.
beers,
build
build
> To be fair, it's really an opinion piece, as most of Lawrence's are.
> At least I hope it's an opinion piece. Even then it seems that he's
> playing a bit fast and loose with the facts and the conclusions that
> he draws, but it would be a whole lot worse if it Pitpass want it to
> be regarded as expert analysis or actual reportage.
G'day Bob,
They are not opinion, as he must be aware of facts he ignores. They
are prattle from a prat who treats his readers as fools.
beers,
build
build
wrote:
To be fair Dave I think he did not mean it as it sounded (I'm guilty
of that too), see other post.
beers,
build
build
G'day Paul,
What question was that? Sorry I've got a short memory.
Does it refer to the email sent to entrants on the 25th of November
that Lawrence claims was sent on the 2nd of December?
or
Was it in reference to Lawrence's accusation that one of the richest
nations on earth is going broke?
or did you want to know the *real* reason why the Classic was
canceled? I can now tell you if you are *really* interested or do you
already know?
beers,
build
Paul-B
I'm quite happy to continue the main debate, except that I know very
little about the governance or the financial status of either Dubai or
Abu Dhabi. However "certainly not because of a financial crisis" does
not answer the starightforward question Noj put to build, which I'll
remind you was "Care to explain why the Classic race has been
cancelled?".
If build does not know the answer the very least he can do is to say
so, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that because, time after
time, you've shown yourself as being incapable of answering a straight
question honestly. Something most posters here are well aware of.
--
Paul-B
Paul-B
> "Paul-B" <pa...@rasf1.net> wrote in
> news:7nvlj2F...@mid.individual.net:
>
> > Oh for crying out loud, how many Times?
> >
> > HE HASN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION!
>
> Your questions are so often immaterial or a distraction to the main
> discussion. Rather than backpedalling you act the jumped up pratt.
> Well that's not really fair I suppose - you're not acting :)
Another non-answer. To be expected, I suppose.
--
Paul-B
Paul-B
> On Dec 6, 5:03�am, "Paul-B" <p...@rasf1.net> wrote:
> > HE HASN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION!
> >
> > --
> > Paul-B
>
> G'day Paul,
> What question was that? Sorry I've got a short memory.
>
> Does it refer to the email sent to entrants on the 25th of November
> that Lawrence claims was sent on the 2nd of December?
>
> or
>
> Was it in reference to Lawrence's accusation that one of the richest
> nations on earth is going broke?
>
> or did you want to know the real reason why the Classic was
> canceled? I can now tell you if you are really interested or do you
> already know?
>
> beers,
> build
The question, as you are well aware, was "Care to explain why the
Classic race has been cancelled?"
Yes, I would like to know the real reason why the Classic race was
cancelled... if I knew it I wouldn't be asking. So please do tell... if
you know I would have expected an answer to Noj's question when it was
first posted, would have saved a lot of keyboard wear.
--
Paul-B
build
Yeah OK, I've done playing and note, I only got the answer last night
but the answer I gave was sufficient in response to Lawrence which is
the subject of the thread.
The Classic has been postponed. They’re reorganizing the schedule so
they can commission some of the other facilities – mainly the Drag
Centre and the Driving Academy. The Classic will happen, but later. An
annual classic event remains a part of their development plans.
That's the official PR but my mate who told me that says despite the
handsome funding the entrants were unable to prepare the cars before
christmas for shipping so Yas Marina were happy to utilise the time
for said works giving them a nice excuse for being disorganized.
So it has nothing to do with any external issues in Dubai or anywhere
else.
beers,
build
Paul-B
Thanks... makes sense.
--
Paul-B
build
Cool, sorry but sometimes I get in the mood to shit stir and those
articles were screaming to be rubbished. I should grow up.
beers,
build
Bob Dubery
> Cool, sorry but sometimes I get in the mood to shit stir and those
> articles were screaming to be rubbished. I should grow up.
What's wrong with observing that bollocks is bollocks? That article
was bollocks (and still is).
Frank Adam
wrote:
Screw that. Growing up just makes your toe nails harder. <chisels off
another piece>
--
Regards, Frank
News
>>>> they can commission some of the other facilities � mainly the Drag
>>>> Centre and the Driving Academy. The Classic will happen, but later. An
>>>> annual classic event remains a part of their development plans.
>>>> That's the official PR but my mate who told me that says despite the
>>>> handsome funding the entrants were unable to prepare the cars before
>>>> christmas for shipping so Yas Marina were happy to utilise the time
>>>> for said works giving them a nice excuse for being disorganized.
>>>> So it has nothing to do with any external issues in Dubai or anywhere
>>>> else.
>>>> beers,
>>>> build
>>> Thanks... makes sense.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul-B
>> Cool, sorry but sometimes I get in the mood to shit stir and those
>> articles were screaming to be rubbished. I should grow up.
>>
> Screw that. Growing up just makes your toe nails harder. <chisels off
> another piece>
You no longer chew?
Bob Dubery
> >>>> they can commission some of the other facilities mainly the Drag
> >>>> Centre and the Driving Academy. The Classic will happen, but later. An
> >>>> annual classic event remains a part of their development plans.
> >>>> That's the official PR but my mate who told me that says despite the
> >>>> handsome funding the entrants were unable to prepare the cars before
> >>>> christmas for shipping so Yas Marina were happy to utilise the time
> >>>> for said works giving them a nice excuse for being disorganized.
> >>>> So it has nothing to do with any external issues in Dubai or anywhere
> >>>> else.
> >>>> beers,
> >>>> build
> >>> Thanks... makes sense.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Paul-B
> >> Cool, sorry but sometimes I get in the mood to shit stir and those
> >> articles were screaming to be rubbished. I should grow up.
>
> > Screw that. Growing up just makes your toe nails harder. <chisels off
> > another piece>
>
> You no longer chew?
One of the consequences of advancing age is that it gets harder to get
your feet physically into your mouth.
News
That's a skill at least one feathered rasf1'er suggests I've maintained.
CatharticF1
QED!
Heck - I wasn't even the one asked the question, Paul..
~misfit~
Jesus Bob! Common sense and no deflection? Focusing the point even? I doubt
the "you haven't answered the question" dastardly duo are going to reply to
*that*!
--
Shaun.
"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.
Paul-B
> Jesus Bob! Common sense and no deflection? Focusing the point even? I
> doubt the "you haven't answered the question" dastardly duo are going
> to reply to that!
No need to. Build has answered the question (which was all we wanted in
the first place before all this hoo-hah).
End of thread.
--
Paul-B
Frank Adam
Hey Buddy, i'll tell YOU when it's the end of the thread !
Ok, now it can be the end of thread. ;)
--
Regards, Frank
Bob Dubery
Not so. Now we need to discuss who got suckered into confusing
Lawrence's rant with real life.
Paul-B
It's much more real life than anything posted in rasf1. And, like him
or loathe him, I'm sure Lawrence has a lot more inside info about F1
than anyone here does.
--
Paul-B
Bob Dubery
> It's much more real life than anything posted in rasf1. And, like him
> or loathe him, I'm sure Lawrence has a lot more inside info about F1
> than anyone here does.
I'm not so sure after this latest effort. He added 2 and 1.5 together
and came up with a pretty large number. Either he doesn't know half as
much as he acts like he does, or he was just looking to have a toffee-
nosed rant at the new money in F1 and dealt with the subset of the
truth that supported that.
Best to regard it as an opinion piece rather than reportage or expert
analysis.
Paul-B
That's what it is, and it doesn't purport to be anything other than his
own opinion.
--
Paul-B
Bob Dubery
I'm not so sure.
Pitpass's position is that it's a feature, written in the first person
thus opinion. I think the piece pushes the boundaries of that
definition. Lawrence presents us with a narrative, and as with all
narratives it's from the narrator's view point. He's not using terms
like "My reading of this situation is..." or "It seems to me that..."
He's being emphatic - telling us what happened and why.
But OK... let's accept that it's Mr Lawrence's opinion and he just
wants to put out some thoughts, give us something to contemplate and
discuss.
But perhaps of more relevance here is what WE make of this piece. It
was the chronologically (as per google groups) 27th post in this
thread that raised the possibility that the piece under discussion
might be an opinion piece. There's very little discussion of this, and
nobody actually says anything like "Well it's just his opinion, it's
not gospel and not intended to be."
If it's opinion, and we accept it as opinion, then fine... consider
it. Like it. Don't like it. No skin off of anybody's nose.
If somebody expects me to believe that this is more weighty than the
opinion of the common man because MIKE LAWRENCE wrote it then I say
his argument is fair game fair game and I can examine it, see if there
are flaws in it (I'll save you the time, there are) and if it looks
like bollocks (I'll save you the time, it does) then I can say so
(I'll save you the time, I did).
If somebody expects me to believe that this is actual expert analysis
or reportage then I'm equally entitled to throw some mud and see what
sticks. I do make some exception for expertise - there are many things
on which I am not expert and others are - but in this particular case
the logic is fundamentally flawed and Lawrence, unless he's some kind
of economist, is arguing outside of his area of expertise anyway.
David Melville
Yeah. Sorry, AC. Did seem a bit harsh when I read it on the screen.
--
Cheers,
Dave
Don't touch me unless you love me.
David Melville
>
> "David Melville" <davidm...@exemail.com.au> wrote in message
> news:op.u4gmp7t0h6mygt@david-desktop...
> Fantastic.
>
> Luckily, way above even me, there are far smarter people than me whom I
> can rely on for better information than random Usenet posters.
>
> Note how it is very clearly implied that I don't know jack shit about
> the finances of these places either. I am happy to admit that I don't
> know something or concede when I am wrong. A humility that is sadly
> lacking from most.
>
> So I ask you, how is your view, from a position clearly far higher than
> mine? Must be incredibly comfortable sitting on that sofa of pure,
> perfect knowledge, knowing that merely dismissing people is far easier
> than admitting to error.
>
> AC
Sorry dude. I bit hard for no good reason.
Mea culpa.
David Melville
hang on.......
...and.....
NOW!!
Bigbird
You win.
--
Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!
David Melville
But surely you just had the last word?
Oh, wait......
Frank Adam
<davidm...@exemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>But surely you just had the last word?
>
>Oh, wait......
>
--
Regards, Frank
David Melville
<fa...@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:05:57 +1100, "David Melville"
> <davidm...@exemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>> But surely you just had the last word?
>>
>> Oh, wait......
>>
>
Oh, you /are/ clever!
Bob Dubery
> http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php?fes_art_id=39637
>
> I have to say I'm enjoying Pitpass roday!
> --
> Paul-B
I wonder if anybody has asked Mike Lawrence what he thinks about the
venerable MCC having decided to play their first match of next season
not at Lord's but in Abu Dhabi?
Good Lord! The Marylebone Cricket Club is going to take one of it's
most important fixtures to Chav Heaven? I think I'll cancel my
subscription and send my tie back to the secretary.