Another 'Top 50 Drivers' survey
Brian Lawrence
drivers and asked them for their all-time (since 1950) top 10. 217 of them responded
and this is the result - no driver could vote for themselves and points were
allocated 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
=76 Peter Collins, Luigi Villoresi, Mark Webber, Mike Hailwood, ***
Pedro Rodriguez, Eddie Irvine, Andrea de Cesaris, Kazuki Nakajima
75 Pedro Lamy
74 Vitantonio Liuzzi
73 Harry Schell
72 Stefano Modena
71 Carlos Pace
70 Wolfgang von Trips
69 Maurice Trintignant
68 Hans Herrmann
67 Derek Warwick
66 Johnny Herbert
65 Jean-Pierre Beltoise
64 Chris Amon
63 Aguri Suzuki
62 Denny Hulme
61 Bruce McLaren
60 Tom Pryce
59 Felipe Massa ***
58 Jo Siffert
57 Alex Zanardi
56 Tony Maggs
55 Henri Pescarolo
54 Mike Hawthorn
53 Elio de Angelis
52 Tony Brooks
51 Juan Pablo Montoya
50 Michele Alboreto
49 Jacques Laffite
48 Lorenzo Bandini
47 Jody Scheckter
46 Piero Taruffi
45 Damon Hill
44 Didier Pironi
43 Robert Kubica ***
42 Jean Alesi
41 Jacques Villeneuve
40 Jacky Ickx
39 Riccardo Patrese
38 Jean Behra
37 Gerhard Berger
36 Clay Regazzoni
35 Stefan Bellof
34 Carlos Reutemann
33 Phil Hill
32 Giuseppe Farina
31 Alan Jones
30 Jenson Button ***
29 Francois Cevert
28 Dan Gurney
27 Froilan Gonzalez
26 Sebastian Vettel ***
25 Keke Rosberg
24 James Hunt
23 John Surtees
22 Kimi R�ikk�nen ***
21 Graham Hill
20 Mario Andretti
19 Ronnie Peterson
18 Jack Brabham
17 Lewis Hamilton ***
16 Alberto Ascari
15 Mika H�kkinen
14 Jochen Rindt
13 Nelson Piquet
12 Emerson Fittipaldi
11 Nigel Mansell
10 Gilles Villeneuve
9 Fernando Alonso ***
8 Stirling Moss
7 Niki Lauda
6 Jackie Stewart
5 Jim Clark
4 Alain Prost
3 Juan Manuel Fangio
2 Michael Schumacher
1 Ayrton Senna
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Bigbird
> Actually this one is interesting. Autosport magazine contacted almost
> all living F1 drivers and asked them for their all-time (since 1950)
> top 10. 217 of them responded and this is the result - no driver
> could vote for themselves and points were allocated
> 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
>
> =76 Peter Collins, Luigi Villoresi, Mark Webber, Mike Hailwood,
> *** Pedro Rodriguez, Eddie Irvine, Andrea de Cesaris, Kazuki
> Nakajima
LOL
> 75 Pedro Lamy
> 74 Vitantonio Liuzzi
***?
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Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!
Brian Lawrence
*** Raced in 2009
Bigbird
In which case you can remove the "?" but keep the ***.
Brian Lawrence
OK.
Interesting that 8 current (2009) drivers are rated in the top 80 or so
of all time. Recent memories are stronger I guess.
Bigbird
> "Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Brian Lawrence wrote:
> >
> >>"Bigbird" <Bigbird.us...@Gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> >>> Brian Lawrence wrote:
> > > >
> >>> > Actually this one is interesting. Autosport magazine contacted
> >>> > almost all living F1 drivers and asked them for their all-time
> >>> > (since 1950) top 10. 217 of them responded and this is the
> result >>> > - no driver could vote for themselves and points were
> allocated >>> > 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
> >>> >
> >>> > =76 Peter Collins, Luigi Villoresi, Mark Webber, Mike Hailwood,
> >>> > *** Pedro Rodriguez, Eddie Irvine, Andrea de Cesaris, Kazuki
> >>> > Nakajima
> > > >
> >>> LOL
> > > >
> >>> > 75 Pedro Lamy
> >>> > 74 Vitantonio Liuzzi
> > > >
> >>> ***?
> > >
> > > *** Raced in 2009
> >
> > In which case you can remove the "?" but keep the ***.
>
> OK.
>
> Interesting that 8 current (2009) drivers
I count ten.
> are rated in the top 80 or
> so of all time. Recent memories are stronger I guess.
I call it "Titanic, film of the millennium" syndrome.
AC
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I cant believe it:
29 Francois Cevert
28 Dan Gurney
This is ridiculous. Any Muppet can clearly see that is should be:
29 Dan Gurney
28 Francois Cevert
Obvious, right?
AC
Frank Adam
<Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote:
>Actually this one is interesting. Autosport magazine contacted almost all living F1
>drivers and asked them for their all-time (since 1950) top 10. 217 of them responded
>and this is the result - no driver could vote for themselves and points were
>allocated 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
>
>=76 Peter Collins, Luigi Villoresi, Mark Webber, Mike Hailwood, ***
> Pedro Rodriguez, Eddie Irvine, Andrea de Cesaris, Kazuki Nakajima
>
I don't know.. there should be 11550 points, but it doesn't seem to
add up. I'll try again and get back.
76+75+... ;-)
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says...
>
> 10 Gilles Villeneuve
> 9 Fernando Alonso ***
> 8 Stirling Moss
> 7 Niki Lauda
> 6 Jackie Stewart
> 5 Jim Clark
> 4 Alain Prost
> 3 Juan Manuel Fangio
> 2 Michael Schumacher
> 1 Ayrton Senna
>
>
Does Schumacher have lots of incriminating photographs of other drivers, or
something?
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Sir Tim
<Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote:
>Actually this one is interesting. Autosport magazine contacted almost all living F1
>drivers and asked them for their all-time (since 1950) top 10. 217 of them responded
>and this is the result - no driver could vote for themselves and points were
>allocated 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
>
It's difficult enough to compare drivers of the *same* generation, let
alone those of different generations and I suspect that guys who have
actually driven in F1 tend to be more subjective than most i.e. if
another guy has regularly beaten you you might well place him higher
in the order than his talent actually justified.
An amusing exercise for the holiday period perhaps but not to be
taken seriously.
--
Henry Birkin Bt.
David Melville
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Kind of like WMSC decisions.
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Ian Dalziel
More contemporaries of Button and Hamilton are in a position to vote
than those of Moss and Collins, unfortunately.
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Chad
I heard Jack Brabham interviewed on the radio today, on the 50th anniversary
of his first WDC win. He voted for Moss as #1. (but also said he only felt
qualified to rate those he drove against.)
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Bob Dubery
> I heard Jack Brabham interviewed on the radio today, on the 50th anniversary
> of his first WDC win. He voted for Moss as #1. (but also said he only felt
> qualified to rate those he drove against.)
Sir Jack has said before that the best driver he ever raced against
was Moss. He said that Clark was fantastic in a car that could win but
Moss was fantastic in any car any time.
Berf
>
> Actually this one is interesting. Autosport magazine contacted almost all living F1
> drivers and asked them for their all-time (since 1950) top 10. 217 of them responded
> and this is the result - no driver could vote for themselves and points were
> allocated 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
I hate these things. I always want to know who guys like Maurice
Trintignant are, and why Vitantonio Liuzzi isn't as good!
It drives me crazy!
Sir Tim
Very true. Moss could and did drive anything, I seem to remember he
even did some rally driving (and of course his sister, Pat, was one
of the top female rally drivers)
Anybody who saw Jimmy Clark in a Lotus Cortina will know that it
wasn't only F1 cars that he was quick in but most of his winning was
certainly done in a Lotus single-seater.
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Berf
I always liked how Moss married into the Molson family. The beer folks from
Canada. It didn't last long, but his influence on the design of Mosport (a
contracton of Motor Sport) ended up with turn 5a and 5b. "Noss corner"
It was supposed to be a hairpin, but in '61 he advised it to be a twin corner
instead and his instructions were followed!
He won the first race there as well, in his 2.5 litre Coventry Climax-powered
Lotus 19.
If only I wasn't 2 at the time! I would have been there! I swear!
Berf
>
> Sir Tim wrote
> > [quoted text muted]
> >
> > Anybody who saw Jimmy Clark in a Lotus Cortina will know that it
> > wasn't only F1 cars that he was quick in but most of his winning was
> > certainly done in a Lotus single-seater.
>
> I always liked how Moss married into the Molson family. The beer folks from
> Canada. It didn't last long, but his influence on the design of Mosport (a
> contracton of Motor Sport) ended up with turn 5a and 5b. "Noss corner"
>
> It was supposed to be a hairpin, but in '61 he advised it to be a twin corner
> instead and his instructions were followed!
>
> He won the first race there as well, in his 2.5 litre Coventry Climax-powered
> Lotus 19.
>
>
> If only I wasn't 2 at the time! I would have been there! I swear!
>
Sorry. Moss Corner, I've never heard of "Noss Corner". :)
Berf
I got a kick out of a David Letterman episode from a while back.
Dave is at his best when he's interviewing racers. (His interview with Nige
in '93 was a classic).
He interviewd Moss, following the sport car classic weekend in California, I
think they were at Laguna Seca. Dave had 80 something year-old Moss on the
seat and said "I want to show this to you"
He proceded to show how Stirling was driving a classic Silver Arrow Merc worth
about $1 million or so, not owned by him, and in a 'gentleman's race' HE WENT
RED MIST and took out 3 cars, cutting a hair pin!
He was driving with an attitude like he did back in his prime.
Dave asked him "What made you do that?" "With some other guy's $1 million
car?"
And Moss just said something like 'it's not my car anymore' 'I felt like
going for it!'
Bob Dubery
> Anybody who saw Jimmy Clark in a Lotus Cortina will know that it
> wasn't only F1 cars that he was quick in but most of his winning was
> certainly done in a Lotus single-seater.
I think Sir Jack was talking about attitude rather than versatility
(which Clark certainly had). The suggestion, I think, is that Clark
was only motivated in a car that could win and with which he could
control the race from the front.
Doc Knutsen
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If that were so, you would expect wee Jimmy to have finished sixth a few
times, would you not? In reality, if he did not win, it was because he had
posted a dnf.
For verification of what he was capable of, even if he was not leading from
the start and controlling the race, study the Italian GP of 1967.
Doc
Sir Tim
Or the German GP, 1962 was it, when he forgot to turn the fuel pumps
on and was left on the grid. Finished 4th IIRC.
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CatharticF1
news:MPG.258c5b56...@news.tesco.net:
> In article <7oel5eF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Brian_W_...@msn.com says...
>
>>
>> 10 Gilles Villeneuve
>> 9 Fernando Alonso ***
>> 8 Stirling Moss
>> 7 Niki Lauda
>> 6 Jackie Stewart
>> 5 Jim Clark
>> 4 Alain Prost
>> 3 Juan Manuel Fangio
>> 2 Michael Schumacher
>> 1 Ayrton Senna
>>
>>
>
> Does Schumacher have lots of incriminating photographs of other
> drivers, or something?
No - but he does have lots of trophies.
And the reasons for them - and this - aren't what you believe them to be.
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Bob Dubery
> If that were so, you would expect wee Jimmy to have finished sixth a few
> times, would you not? In reality, if he did not win, it was because he had
> posted a dnf.
> For verification of what he was capable of, even if he was not leading from
> the start and controlling the race, study the Italian GP of 1967.
> Doc
I've read Sir Jack saying similar things about Moss and Clark before.
I'm not sure I entirely agree with him. One of the things that needs
to be remembered about Clark is that he drove for Lotus, thus got a
lot of fast but fragile cars.
Doc Knutsen
"Sir Tim" <ben...@brooklands.co.uk> skrev i melding
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That was on the *real* Nurburgring, in real Eifel mountain rain, when old
Grimeheel beat Surtees and Gurney by a few seconds after a race-long duel.
Wee Jimmy realised even he was a mere mortal in those conditions, and
settled for fourth, having worked his way up after stalling
Doc
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