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Brian Lawrence  
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From: Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawre...@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:42:36 +0100
Local: Fri, Sep 28 2012 2:42 am
Subject: Hamilton jumps ship
On BBC just now.

Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:47:58 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship

Brian Lawrence wrote:
> On BBC just now.

> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

Just heard the end of it, look here to check!!!!

Perez to McLaren? Or my Brit fanwank option, Di Resta?

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From: Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawre...@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:00:10 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
On 28/09/2012 07:47, AC wrote:

> Brian Lawrence wrote:
>> On BBC just now.

>> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

> Just heard the end of it, look here to check!!!!

> Perez to McLaren? Or my Brit fanwank option, Di Resta?

Apparently McLaren have signed Perez already.

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From: Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawre...@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:33:33 +0100
Local: Fri, Sep 28 2012 3:33 am
Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
On 28/09/2012 08:00, Brian Lawrence wrote:

> On 28/09/2012 07:47, AC wrote:
>> Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>> On BBC just now.

>>> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

>> Just heard the end of it, look here to check!!!!

>> Perez to McLaren? Or my Brit fanwank option, Di Resta?

> Apparently McLaren have signed Perez already.

And Esteban Gutierrez to Sauber?

Developing news here:

    http://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1

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 More options Sep 28 2012, 3:53 am
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From: Ar <A...@127.0.0.1>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:53:45 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
On 28/09/12 07:42, Brian Lawrence wrote:

> On BBC just now.

> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

So Ron Dennis' McLaren supercar offer to Lewis is safe from Lewis now.

 
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From: AC <x...@xxx.xxx>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:24:04 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship

Brian Lawrence wrote:
> On 28/09/2012 07:47, AC wrote:
>> Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>> On BBC just now.

>>> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

>> Just heard the end of it, look here to check!!!!

>> Perez to McLaren? Or my Brit fanwank option, Di Resta?

> Apparently McLaren have signed Perez already.

Just heard that myself on the radio. BBC Radio 2 of all places, but
there you go!!!!

Good signing, IMHO, no wonder Ferrari were subtly putting Perez down,
not good enough for a top team yet, my arse!!!!

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 More options Sep 28 2012, 4:40 am
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From: Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawre...@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:41:08 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
On 28/09/2012 09:24, AC wrote:

Love the way McLaren got their press release out before Mercedes did.
We signed Perez, thanks Lewis. Not that even mentioned LH AFAIK.

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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:45:19 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship

Sounds a bit childishly desperate to me, but hey ho...

Certainly something thing to look forward to next season. Can Perez step
it up and can Merc back up their driver with a decent car.

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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:07:19 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship

"Ar" <A...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message

news:50655789$0$10736$5b6aafb4@news.zen.co.uk...

> On 28/09/12 07:42, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>> On BBC just now.

>> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

> So Ron Dennis' McLaren supercar offer to Lewis is safe from Lewis now.

And hopefully all the grivers will be safe from Schuntmacher now.

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From: "shazzbat" <shazz...@spamlessness.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:08:09 +0100
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"shazzbat" <shazz...@spamlessness.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message

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> "Ar" <A...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:50655789$0$10736$5b6aafb4@news.zen.co.uk...
>> On 28/09/12 07:42, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>> On BBC just now.

>>> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

>> So Ron Dennis' McLaren supercar offer to Lewis is safe from Lewis now.

> And hopefully all the grivers will be safe from Schuntmacher now.

> Steve

Grivers? Drivers even. Doh.

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 More options Sep 28 2012, 5:18 am
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:18:34 +0200
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
On 28.09.12 11:08, shazzbat wrote:

>> And hopefully all the grivers will be safe from Schuntmacher now.

>> Steve

> Grivers? Drivers even. Doh.

> Steve

If he doesn't sign with Sauber, which is - at least according to Peter
Sauber
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sauber-would-run-schumacher-in-2013/ -
an option Sauber endorses..

 
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:54:33 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship

Super smooth JB plus tyre saver extraordinaire Perez at McLaren.  Sounds ideal from an engineering perspective to me!

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 More options Sep 28 2012, 8:59 am
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From: Alister <alister.w...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:59:25 GMT
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:42:36 +0100, Brian Lawrence wrote:
> On BBC just now.

> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

no 2nd wdc for lewis then. I cant see Merc providing a wining car
although the 2014 engine change may throw up some surprises.

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> > But IANAL, of course.

> IANAL either.  My son is, but if I asked him I might get an answer I
> wouldn't want to hear.

"Here's my invoice." ?  =D

 
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From: Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawre...@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:38:35 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
On 28/09/2012 13:59, Alister wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:42:36 +0100, Brian Lawrence wrote:

>> On BBC just now.

>> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

> no 2nd wdc for lewis then. I cant see Merc providing a wining car
> although the 2014 engine change may throw up some surprises.

If that happens at all - there are rumours that it might be abandoned.

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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:33:44 GMT
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:38:35 +0100, Brian Lawrence wrote:
> On 28/09/2012 13:59, Alister wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:42:36 +0100, Brian Lawrence wrote:

>>> On BBC just now.

>>> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

>> no 2nd wdc for lewis then. I cant see Merc providing a wining car
>> although the 2014 engine change may throw up some surprises.

> If that happens at all - there are rumours that it might be abandoned.

Then lewis' career is f**ked.

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 More options Sep 28 2012, 10:58 am
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:58:51 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
Brian Lawrence wrote ...

> On 28/09/2012 13:59, Alister wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:42:36 +0100, Brian Lawrence wrote:

> >> On BBC just now.

> >> Leaving McLaren for Mercedes.

> > no 2nd wdc for lewis then. I cant see Merc providing a wining car
> > although the 2014 engine change may throw up some surprises.

> If that happens at all - there are rumours that it might be abandoned.

Unlikely.  Mercedes have just signed the new Concorde agreement along
with LH.  I'm sure they'd have insisted the new engine formula was going
ahead.  Mercedes and Ferrari have already spent a fortune designing the
6 cylinder, 1 exhaust pipe, engines.

 
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:25:35 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship

If Ross Brawn can catch lightning in a bottle again, the way he did with Honda's leftovers, LH might be golden. But I'll have to see it before I believe it.

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Date: 30 Sep 2012 18:14:26 +0300
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship

larkim <matthew.lar...@gmail.com> writes:
> Super smooth JB plus tyre saver extraordinaire Perez at McLaren.  Sounds ideal from an engineering perspective to me!

Exactly. I think Perez is the ideal candidate for that seat. I'm more
worried about Macca reliability letting *him* down!

Phil
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 More options Sep 30 2012, 11:28 am
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 08:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship

I wonder which teams are the most reliable over ... say the last five years?

 
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:39:05 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
On 30/09/2012 16:28, build wrote:

> [snipped]

> I wonder which teams are the most reliable over ... say the last five years?

Constructor's Championships would be the best indication of most
reliable, I would think.

Excluding this year, then we have the WCC winners as:
2007 Ferrari
2008 Ferrari
2009 Brawn
2010 Red Bull
2011 Red Bull

Cheers

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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:23:45 +0200
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
On 30.09.12 17:14, Phil Carmody wrote:
> larkim <matthew.lar...@gmail.com> writes:
>> Super smooth JB plus tyre saver extraordinaire Perez at McLaren.  Sounds ideal from an engineering perspective to me!

> Exactly. I think Perez is the ideal candidate for that seat. I'm more
> worried about Macca reliability letting *him* down!

> Phil

  Well, I would say, Macca has an extraordinary reason to be motivated
up to max. It's like when this gorgeous girl you are in love with gives
you a cold shoulder. And you start to overperform in all things just to
show her what she is missing, only by choosing this ape from the
football team over you.   :)

 
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:45:35 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
On 30/09/2012 16:28, build wrote:

Well the usual method of gauging reliability is to express race finishes
as a percentage of race starts. Crude but usually effective.

Since the start of 2009 there have been 87 GPs, which for a 2-car team
is 174 possible starts.

Team        Str  Fin   NF
=================================
Ferrari     173  157   16  90.75%
Red Bull    174  153   21  87.93%
McLaren     174  149   25  85.63%
Toyota       69   58   11  84.06%   [2008-09 only]
Mercedes    174  146   28  83.91%   [Honda 2008, Brawn 2009]
Williams    174  145   29  83.33%
Sauber      172  138   34  80.23%
Lotus       174  136   38  78.16%   [Renault 2008-11]
Force India 174  135   39  77.59%
Caterham    102   78   24  76.47%   [Lotus 2010-11]
Toro Rosso  174  131   43  75.29%
Marussia    100   75   25  75.00%   [Virgin 2010-11]
HRT         100   72   28  72.00%
Super Aguri   8    5    3  62.50%   [early 2008 only]

Some uneven numbers:

Renault  2008   Alonso      3, Piquet   9
Toyota   2008   Trulli      4, Glock/Kobayashi  0
Mercedes 2012   Schumacher  7, Rosberg   0
Lotus    2012   Grosjean    5, Räikkönen  0

Toro Rosso were poor in 2008 (Bourdais/Vettel), worse in 2009
(Bourdais-Alguersuari/Buemi), but better since then.

Force India were very poor in 2008 (Sutil/Fisi. only 50%), poor
again in 2010 (Sutil/Liuzzi), but better in the other years.

Honda/Brawn/Mercedes have shown some differences:

2008   Honda     36  28   8  77.28%
2009   Brawn     34  32   2  94.12%
2010-  Mercedes 104  86  18  82.69%

14 of Mercs' 18 DNFs were by Schumacher, only 4 by Rosberg.

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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:16:37 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
Brian Lawrence wrote ...

The list should be aligned to failure rate

McLaren     174  149   25  = 14.27% Failure not 85.63% success

Although - and I'm not setting you more homework, Brian - when Groswank
had his mad minute at Spa and wrecked 5 cars, none of them had
reliability problems.  So crashes, caused by driver fuckwittery etc
should be removed to present a more accurate result.


 
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Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 10:57:19 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
On 30/09/2012 22:16, Noj wrote:

Ideally you would want to remove driver-induced retirements, whether
self-inflicted or not. However, logically, each team would have a
roughly equal number, especially over a longer period. I recall some
stats posted here about 10 years ago, which calculated how many ACS
retirements (Accident-Collision-Spin) each driver had in their career.
Researched by Alan Jones (not that one), it was very interesting.

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Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 11:14:38 +0100
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Subject: Re: Hamilton jumps ship
Brian Lawrence wrote ...

> Ideally you would want to remove driver-induced retirements, whether
> self-inflicted or not. However, logically, each team would have a
> roughly equal number, especially over a longer period. I recall some
> stats posted here about 10 years ago, which calculated how many ACS
> retirements (Accident-Collision-Spin) each driver had in their career.
> Researched by Alan Jones (not that one), it was very interesting.

Over the long term perhaps.  I reckon the Williams and Lotus figures
would be a bit skewed this year.

Still.  McLaren are roughly 5% less reliable than their major
competition.  Not good is it.


 
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