Lots of very good drives, lots of battles but of coarse it was a boring GP as usual just ask Richard, Henry, Bird, etc.
However Massa was a step above today so he gets my vote with a special mention to the Hulk for grabbing a lotto opportunity and taking it and to both TorroRosso drivers who entertained with passion.
> Lots of very good drives, lots of battles but of coarse it was a boring GP as usual just ask Richard, Henry, Bird, etc.
> However Massa was a step above today so he gets my vote with a special mention to the Hulk for grabbing a lotto opportunity and taking it and to both TorroRosso drivers who entertained with passion.
> beers,
Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his contract renewed for 2013.
> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his contract
> renewed for 2013.
I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over year. In the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling the expectations, everyone starts discussing who will replace him, warning comes from the Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his game and gets his contract for another year. Or, since I have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong impression?
> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his contract
>> renewed for 2013.
> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over year. In
> the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling the expectations,
> everyone starts discussing who will replace him, warning comes from the
> Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his game and gets his
> contract for another year. Or, since I have no statistics to look at, is
> it just my wrong impression?
Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of season, whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to cover his winded teammate?
News wrote:
> On 10/14/2012 9:23 AM, Zeppo Marx wrote:
> > On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
> > > Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his
> > > contract renewed for 2013.
> > I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over
> > year. In the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling the
> > expectations, everyone starts discussing who will replace him,
> > warning comes from the Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe
> > ups his game and gets his contract for another year. Or, since I
> > have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong impression?
> Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of season,
> whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to cover his winded
> teammate?
Zeppo Marx wrote:
> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his contract
>> renewed for 2013.
> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over year. In
> the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling the expectations,
> everyone starts discussing who will replace him, warning comes from the
> Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his game and gets his
> contract for another year. Or, since I have no statistics to look at, is
> it just my wrong impression?
Perhaps all the development parts got to Alonso, and Massa kind of gets to catch up as the development settles down over the season.
>> On 10/14/2012 9:23 AM, Zeppo Marx wrote:
>>> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>>>> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his
>>>> contract renewed for 2013.
>>> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over
>>> year. In the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling the
>>> expectations, everyone starts discussing who will replace him,
>>> warning comes from the Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe
>>> ups his game and gets his contract for another year. Or, since I
>>> have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong impression?
>> Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of season,
>> whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to cover his winded
>> teammate?
> Alonso is underperforming?
Every competitor has his instant limits, not to mention he changed chassis.
Both are reversible,
> Zeppo Marx wrote:
>> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>>> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his contract
>>> renewed for 2013.
>> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over year. In
>> the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling the expectations,
>> everyone starts discussing who will replace him, warning comes from the
>> Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his game and gets his
>> contract for another year. Or, since I have no statistics to look at, is
>> it just my wrong impression?
> Perhaps all the development parts got to Alonso, and Massa kind of gets
> to catch up as the development settles down over the season.
> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
> > Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his contract
> > renewed for 2013.
> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over year. In > the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling the expectations, > everyone starts discussing who will replace him, warning comes from the > Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his game and gets his > contract for another year. Or, since I have no statistics to look at, > is it just my wrong impression?
> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his contract
>> renewed for 2013.
> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over year. In
> the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling the expectations,
> everyone starts discussing who will replace him, warning comes from the
> Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his game and gets his
> contract for another year. Or, since I have no statistics to look at, is
> it just my wrong impression?
Here's the scoring for Felipe and his Ferrari team-mates since he joined in 2006. Apologies for word wrap - save it to a file and reformat.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
2006 BRN MAS AUS RSM Eur ESP MON GBR CDN USA FRA GER HUN TUR ITA CHN JPN BRA
=========================================================================== =======================
121 M Schumacher 8 3 - 10 10 8 4 8 8 10 10 10 1 6 10 10 - 5
80 F Massa - 4 - 5 6 5 - 4 4 8 6 8 2 10 - - 8 10
2007 AUS MAS BRN ESP MON CDN USA FRA GBR GER HUN TUR ITA BEL CHN JPN BRA
=========================================================================== =======================
110 K Räikkönen 10 6 6 - 1 4 5 10 10 - 8 8 6 10 6 10 10
94 F Massa 3 4 10 10 6 - 6 8 4 8 - 10 - 8 3 6 8
2008 AUS MAS BRN ESP TUR MON CDN FRA GBR GER HUN EUR BEL ITA SIN JPN CHN BRA
=========================================================================== =======================
97 F Massa - - 10 8 10 6 4 10 - 6 - 10 10 3 - 2 8 10
75 K Räikkönen 1 10 8 10 6 - - 8 5 3 6 - - - - 6 6 6
2009 AUS MAS CHN BRN ESP MON TUR GBR GER HUN EUR BEL ITA SIN JPN BRA ABD
=========================================================================== =======================
48 K Räikkönen - - - 3 - 6 - 1 - 8 6 10 6 - 5 3 -
22 F Massa - - - - 3 5 3 5 6 . . . . . . . .
2010 BRN AUS MAS CHN ESP MON TUR CDN EUR GBR GER HUN BEL ITA SIN JPN KOR BRA ABD
=========================================================================== =======================
252 F Alonso 25 12 - 12 18 8 4 15 4 - 25 18 - 25 25 15 25 15 6
144 F Massa 18 15 6 2 8 12 6 - - - 18 12 12 15 4 - 15 - 1
2011 AUS MAS CHN TUR ESP MON CDN EUR GBR GER HUN BEL ITA SIN JPN KOR IND ABD BRA
=========================================================================== =======================
257 F Alonso 12 8 6 15 10 18 - 18 25 18 15 12 15 12 18 10 15 18 12
118 F Massa 6 10 8 - - - 8 10 10 10 8 4 8 2 6 8 - 10 10
2012 AUS MAS CHN BHN ESP MON CDN EUR GBR GER HUN BEL ITA SIN JPN KOR IND ABD USA BRA
=========================================================================== =======================
209 F Alonso 10 25 2 6 18 15 10 25 18 25 10 - 15 15 - 15
81 F Massa - - - 2 - 8 1 - 12 - 2 10 12 4 18 12
> > > On 10/14/2012 9:23 AM, Zeppo Marx wrote:
> > > > On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
> > > > > Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his
> > > > > contract renewed for 2013.
> > > > I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over
> > > > year. In the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling
> > > > the expectations, everyone starts discussing who will replace
> > > > him, warning comes from the Ferrari top and then - allofasuden
> > > > - Felipe ups his game and gets his contract for another year.
> > > > Or, since I have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong
> > > > impression?
> > > Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of season,
> > > whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to cover his
> > > winded teammate?
> > Alonso is underperforming?
> Every competitor has his instant limits, not to mention he changed
> chassis. Both are reversible,
>> On 10/14/2012 10:30 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>>> News wrote:
>>>> On 10/14/2012 9:23 AM, Zeppo Marx wrote:
>>>>> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>>>>>> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his
>>>>>> contract renewed for 2013.
>>>>> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over
>>>>> year. In the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling
>>>>> the expectations, everyone starts discussing who will replace
>>>>> him, warning comes from the Ferrari top and then - allofasuden
>>>>> - Felipe ups his game and gets his contract for another year.
>>>>> Or, since I have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong
>>>>> impression?
>>>> Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of season,
>>>> whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to cover his
>>>> winded teammate?
>>> Alonso is underperforming?
>> Every competitor has his instant limits, not to mention he changed
>> chassis. Both are reversible,
> > > > > On 10/14/2012 9:23 AM, Zeppo Marx wrote:
> > > > > > On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
> > > > > > > Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having
> > > > > > > his contract renewed for 2013.
> > > > > > I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year
> > > > > > over year. In the first half of the season Felipe is not
> > > > > > fulfilling the expectations, everyone starts discussing who
> > > > > > will replace him, warning comes from the Ferrari top and
> > > > > > then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his game and gets his
> > > > > > contract for another year. Or, since I have no statistics
> > > > > > to look at, is it just my wrong impression?
> > > > > Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of
> > > > > season, whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to
> > > > > cover his winded teammate?
> > > > Alonso is underperforming?
> > > Every competitor has his instant limits, not to mention he changed
> > > chassis. Both are reversible,
> > "instant limits"?
> Figure it out.
No thanks. If you can't say what you mean it ain't worth figuring.
>> On 10/14/2012 1:08 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>> News wrote:
>>>> On 10/14/2012 10:30 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 9:23 AM, Zeppo Marx wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>>>>>>>> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having
>>>>>>>> his contract renewed for 2013.
>>>>>>> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year
>>>>>>> over year. In the first half of the season Felipe is not
>>>>>>> fulfilling the expectations, everyone starts discussing who
>>>>>>> will replace him, warning comes from the Ferrari top and
>>>>>>> then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his game and gets his
>>>>>>> contract for another year. Or, since I have no statistics
>>>>>>> to look at, is it just my wrong impression?
>>>>>> Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of
>>>>>> season, whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to
>>>>>> cover his winded teammate?
>>>>> Alonso is underperforming?
>>>> Every competitor has his instant limits, not to mention he changed
>>>> chassis. Both are reversible,
>>> "instant limits"?
>> Figure it out.
> No thanks. If you can't say what you mean it ain't worth figuring.
> > > > > > > On 10/14/2012 9:23 AM, Zeppo Marx wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for
> > > > > > > > > having his contract renewed for 2013.
> > > > > > > > I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern
> > > > > > > > year over year. In the first half of the season Felipe
> > > > > > > > is not fulfilling the expectations, everyone starts
> > > > > > > > discussing who will replace him, warning comes from the
> > > > > > > > Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his
> > > > > > > > game and gets his contract for another year. Or, since
> > > > > > > > I have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong
> > > > > > > > impression?
> > > > > > > Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of
> > > > > > > season, whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to
> > > > > > > cover his winded teammate?
> > > > > > Alonso is underperforming?
> > > > > Every competitor has his instant limits, not to mention he
> > > > > changed chassis. Both are reversible,
> > > > "instant limits"?
> > > Figure it out.
> > No thanks. If you can't say what you mean it ain't worth figuring.
>> On 10/14/2012 1:14 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>> News wrote:
>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:08 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 10:30 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 9:23 AM, Zeppo Marx wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for
>>>>>>>>>> having his contract renewed for 2013.
>>>>>>>>> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern
>>>>>>>>> year over year. In the first half of the season Felipe
>>>>>>>>> is not fulfilling the expectations, everyone starts
>>>>>>>>> discussing who will replace him, warning comes from the
>>>>>>>>> Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his
>>>>>>>>> game and gets his contract for another year. Or, since
>>>>>>>>> I have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong
>>>>>>>>> impression?
>>>>>>>> Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of
>>>>>>>> season, whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to
>>>>>>>> cover his winded teammate?
>>>>>>> Alonso is underperforming?
>>>>>> Every competitor has his instant limits, not to mention he
>>>>>> changed chassis. Both are reversible,
>>>>> "instant limits"?
>>>> Figure it out.
>>> No thanks. If you can't say what you mean it ain't worth figuring.
> On 10/14/2012 11:03 AM, AC wrote:
>> Zeppo Marx wrote:
>>> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>>>> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his contract
>>>> renewed for 2013.
>>> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over year. In
>>> the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling the expectations,
>>> everyone starts discussing who will replace him, warning comes from the
>>> Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his game and gets his
>>> contract for another year. Or, since I have no statistics to look at, is
>>> it just my wrong impression?
>> Perhaps all the development parts got to Alonso, and Massa kind of gets
>> to catch up as the development settles down over the season.
> Or stagnates...
Gary Anderson said yesterday that HRT haven't had *any* development over the season - and they are the same distance behind the front-runners as they were at the start of the season. They have just concentrated on getting more out of the car as it is. Development clearly hasn't benefitted the top teams - McLaren in particular have gone backwards. And Ferrari clearly aren't doing too well.
-- John Briggs
John Briggs wrote:
> On 14/10/2012 16:10, News wrote:
> > On 10/14/2012 11:03 AM, AC wrote:
> > > Zeppo Marx wrote:
> > > > On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
> > > > > Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his
> > > > > contract renewed for 2013.
> > > > I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over
> > > > year. In the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling
> > > > the expectations, everyone starts discussing who will replace
> > > > him, warning comes from the Ferrari top and then - allofasuden
> > > > - Felipe ups his game and gets his contract for another year.
> > > > Or, since I have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong
> > > > impression?
> > > Perhaps all the development parts got to Alonso, and Massa kind
> > > of gets to catch up as the development settles down over the
> > > season.
> > Or stagnates...
> Gary Anderson said yesterday that HRT haven't had any development
> over the season - and they are the same distance behind the
> front-runners as they were at the start of the season. They have just
> concentrated on getting more out of the car as it is. Development
> clearly hasn't benefitted the top teams - McLaren in particular have
> gone backwards. And Ferrari clearly aren't doing too well.
A more intelligent way to think of it might be that HRT were
particularly poor at getting the potential performance out of their car.
> John Briggs wrote:
>> On 14/10/2012 16:10, News wrote:
>>> On 10/14/2012 11:03 AM, AC wrote:
>>>> Zeppo Marx wrote:
>>>>> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>>>>>> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his
>>>>>> contract renewed for 2013.
>>>>> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over
>>>>> year. In the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling
>>>>> the expectations, everyone starts discussing who will replace
>>>>> him, warning comes from the Ferrari top and then - allofasuden
>>>>> - Felipe ups his game and gets his contract for another year.
>>>>> Or, since I have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong
>>>>> impression?
>>>> Perhaps all the development parts got to Alonso, and Massa kind
>>>> of gets to catch up as the development settles down over the
>>>> season.
>>> Or stagnates...
>> Gary Anderson said yesterday that HRT haven't had any development
>> over the season - and they are the same distance behind the
>> front-runners as they were at the start of the season. They have just
>> concentrated on getting more out of the car as it is. Development
>> clearly hasn't benefitted the top teams - McLaren in particular have
>> gone backwards. And Ferrari clearly aren't doing too well.
> A more intelligent way to think of it might be that HRT were
> particularly poor at getting the potential performance out of their car.
I suggest that you take this up with Gary Anderson rather than with me. He said, "Sometimes it is better to get 100% out of a 90% car, rather than 90% out of a 100% car."
-- John Briggs
John Briggs wrote:
> On 14/10/2012 18:56, Bigbird wrote:
> > John Briggs wrote:
> > > On 14/10/2012 16:10, News wrote:
> > > > On 10/14/2012 11:03 AM, AC wrote:
> > > > > Zeppo Marx wrote:
> > > > > > On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
> > > > > > > Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having
> > > > > > > his contract renewed for 2013.
> > > > > > I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year
> > > > > > over year. In the first half of the season Felipe is not
> > > > > > fulfilling the expectations, everyone starts discussing who
> > > > > > will replace him, warning comes from the Ferrari top and
> > > > > > then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his game and gets his
> > > > > > contract for another year. Or, since I have no statistics
> > > > > > to look at, is it just my wrong impression?
> > > > > Perhaps all the development parts got to Alonso, and Massa
> > > > > kind of gets to catch up as the development settles down over
> > > > > the season.
> > > > Or stagnates...
> > > Gary Anderson said yesterday that HRT haven't had any development
> > > over the season - and they are the same distance behind the
> > > front-runners as they were at the start of the season. They have
> > > just concentrated on getting more out of the car as it is.
> > > Development clearly hasn't benefitted the top teams - McLaren in
> > > particular have gone backwards. And Ferrari clearly aren't doing
> > > too well.
> > A more intelligent way to think of it might be that HRT were
> > particularly poor at getting the potential performance out of their
> > car.
> I suggest that you take this up with Gary Anderson rather than with
> me.
Why? My point stands whether they are your words or his.
> He said, "Sometimes it is better to get 100% out of a 90% car,
> rather than 90% out of a 100% car."
>> > > > > > > On 10/14/2012 9:23 AM, Zeppo Marx wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for
>> > > > > > > > > having his contract renewed for 2013.
>> > > > > > > > I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern
>> > > > > > > > year over year. In the first half of the season Felipe
>> > > > > > > > is not fulfilling the expectations, everyone starts
>> > > > > > > > discussing who will replace him, warning comes from the
>> > > > > > > > Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his
>> > > > > > > > game and gets his contract for another year. Or, since
>> > > > > > > > I have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong
>> > > > > > > > impression?
>> > > > > > > Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of
>> > > > > > > season, whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to
>> > > > > > > cover his winded teammate?
>> > > > > > Alonso is underperforming?
>> > > > > Every competitor has his instant limits, not to mention he
>> > > > > changed chassis. Both are reversible,
>> > > > "instant limits"?
>> > > Figure it out.
>> > No thanks. If you can't say what you mean it ain't worth figuring.
> On 14 Oct 2012 17:16:38 GMT, "Bigbird"
> <Bigbird.usenetNOS...@Gmail.com> wrote:
>> News wrote:
>>> On 10/14/2012 1:14 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>> News wrote:
>>>>> On 10/14/2012 1:08 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 10:30 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 9:23 AM, Zeppo Marx wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for
>>>>>>>>>>> having his contract renewed for 2013.
>>>>>>>>>> I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern
>>>>>>>>>> year over year. In the first half of the season Felipe
>>>>>>>>>> is not fulfilling the expectations, everyone starts
>>>>>>>>>> discussing who will replace him, warning comes from the
>>>>>>>>>> Ferrari top and then - allofasuden - Felipe ups his
>>>>>>>>>> game and gets his contract for another year. Or, since
>>>>>>>>>> I have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong
>>>>>>>>>> impression?
>>>>>>>>> Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of
>>>>>>>>> season, whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to
>>>>>>>>> cover his winded teammate?
>>>>>>>> Alonso is underperforming?
>>>>>>> Every competitor has his instant limits, not to mention he
>>>>>>> changed chassis. Both are reversible,
>>>>>> "instant limits"?
>>>>> Figure it out.
>>>> No thanks. If you can't say what you mean it ain't worth figuring.
> > > On 10/14/2012 9:23 AM, Zeppo Marx wrote:
> > > > On 14.10.12 13:45, News wrote:
> > > > > Extra vigor may be a nod and payback to team for having his
> > > > > contract renewed for 2013.
> > > > I dunno but I kinda feel there is a repeating pattern year over
> > > > year. In the first half of the season Felipe is not fulfilling
> > > > the expectations, everyone starts discussing who will replace
> > > > him, warning comes from the Ferrari top and then - allofasuden
> > > > - Felipe ups his game and gets his contract for another year.
> > > > Or, since I have no statistics to look at, is it just my wrong
> > > > impression?
> > > Or is it that Fred carries the team through first 3/4 of season,
> > > whereupon Felipe awakes from his nap and starts to cover his
> > > winded teammate?
On Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:26:11 PM UTC+10, build wrote:
> Lots of very good drives, lots of battles but of coarse it was a boring GP as > usual just ask Richard, Henry, Bird, etc.
> However Massa was a step above today so he gets my vote with a special mention to the Hulk for grabbing a lotto opportunity and taking it and to both TorroRosso drivers who entertained with passion.
> beers,
I was sent a clip of Hamilton on Vergne and he (Vergne) deserves a mention if only for defending very fairly but very well and successfully against a master.
