ramification
Astraman
the ones I have thought of so far are
1) Alonso and Hamiltion on the open market
2) Would prodrive still happen seeing they are rumoured to be used McLaren
cast offs
3) Only 18 runners on next years grid (if prodrive didn't happen)
4) Top two teams having to run a third car next season.
Anyone think of anything else?
Rob
AC
"Astraman" <rob....@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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If Mclaren are banned for say next year, then I expect Alonso to go to
Renault, especially as there is the smell of flav all over Alonso's
current actions. Remember, Alonso brings 0.5sec to any team, and
Renault sure do need it.
Hamilton to Prodrive for a year 'character building'. Mercedes and all
its tech to Prodrive. Most of the Mclaren design staff to be 'loaned'
to prodrive.
Wouldnt supprise me if there were a plan already in place.
Lastly, I would be completely supprised if Ron resigned *IF* Mclaren
were found guilty of using stolen IP and were banned for next year.
AC
AC
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To add:
If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's
security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy.
Remember, like anyone could forget, Hamilton is the new British
sporting darling. Also remember Britain has an insane tabloid press.
You can bet that a storm will be whipped up. Could get nasty for
Ferrari guys.
AC
NEAL ZIERKE
Who is going to watch Ferrari win all the races.....
follow the money.........alway...
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alexti
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> If McLaren is banned, kiss F1 TV ratings down the shitter.........
> Who is going to watch Ferrari win all the races.....
I think (but I don't have any damn lies to confirm) that most of F1 fans
follow the drivers and not the teams. This season 2 Ferrari drivers are
very close and there will be a battle for the championship even without
McLaren. Next year both current McLaren drivers are not likely not to find
a drive and you never know who will have a good car and who won't. So in my
opinion, McLaren ban won't affect F1 TV ratings very significantly.
News
alexti wrote:
> "NEAL ZIERKE" <deni...@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:FylEi.916$ed1.612@trnddc05:
>
>
>>If McLaren is banned, kiss F1 TV ratings down the shitter.........
>>Who is going to watch Ferrari win all the races.....
>
> I think (but I don't have any damn lies to confirm) that most of F1 fans
> follow the drivers
Not Luigi. He follow the Ferrari.
Joseph
But the problem is that Ferrari has been so dominant, and McLaren have
been the only team to challenge them. You can dream that other teams
might suddenly become competitive (Honda? Toyota?), but with McLaren out
there is likely to be only two drivers who have the possibility of
challenging for the championship. This does not make a compelling sport.
john.ku...@sympatico.ca
England and Germany declare war on Italy.
Rafael Rodriguez
> But the problem is that Ferrari has been so dominant, and McLaren have
> been the only team to challenge them. You can dream that other teams might
Renault want the last two championships not McLaren.
Hal S.
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So you're saying Brit F1 fans are no different than Brit football hooligans?
--
Hal S.
Dreddie
> In article <46e1f30d$0$19632$4c36...@roadrunner.com>,
> Joseph <jos...@eliminatespam.com> wrote:
>
> > But the problem is that Ferrari has been so dominant, and McLaren have
> > been the only team to challenge them. You can dream that other teams
> > might suddenly become competitive (Honda? Toyota?), but with McLaren out
> > there is likely to be only two drivers who have the possibility of
> > challenging for the championship. This does not make a compelling sport.
>
>
> I'd love to see Ferrari win every race.
>
And, as a child, all I wanted to see was my favourite team win every game!
How exciting! Until I started to play competitive sports and realized that
such things were boring because the test of any good team is losing and how
they managed it, especially when I was on top teams in hockey that showed
how we fought back after a good shit kicking or a bad season; not to forget
how our opponents put us to the wall and were good too.
As someone whose love for Ferrari began when Gilles was a driver, I rarely
saw consistent victories. That certainly didn't stop me. But I've long
since tossed away my "fan boy" notions.
I like to watch the competition.
Bob Dubery
> If McLaren do get
IF
IF
IF
I do think that there is in the latest turn of events an element of
FIA wanting people to put up or shut up.
Dreddie
league ridding itself of a well renowned contender and vital organ for
survival. Cutting off its nose to spite the face.
They may as well take Jack Bauer from 24 and substitute his real life Dad!
(Where is Donald these days?)
Silent Observer
> To add:
>
> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's
> security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy.
> Remember, like anyone could forget, Hamilton is the new British sporting
> darling. Also remember Britain has an insane tabloid press. You can bet
> that a storm will be whipped up. Could get nasty for Ferrari guys.
>
F1 hooligans? ;)
Bob Dubery
> Cutting out McLaren from next year's season is tantamount to any sporting
> league ridding itself of a well renowned contender and vital organ for
> survival. Cutting off its nose to spite the face.
>
> They may as well take Jack Bauer from 24 and substitute his real life Dad!
Well look at Italian soccer where a team with a huge reputation, an
excellent record and a significant following was relegated. After, of
course, being found guilty of trying to manipulate match officials.
It was a shock - and well it should have been - but the competition
carried on.
The difference, of course, is that in soccer you can promote another
team to make up the numbers. In F1 it's not quite as simple.
I don't think there's any one team that F1 can survive without - and
that includes Ferrari. It's like drivers - the greats will come and go
and will be missed for a while, but the sport will carry on.
Probert
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> In article <q1lEi.46008$rr5....@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
> "AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's
>> security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy.
>
> Pump,
Erm, sorry to pour water all over your self-masturbatory gun fantasies,
Brian, but there wouldn't be any guns allowed anywhere near any private
security detail in Britain, or pretty much anywhere else come to that. And
if a member of that detail insisted on keeping his weaponry (and
love-objects), they wouldn't get past passport control.
I also think the OP is rather overstating the case - the British tabs, even
with Lewis-mania in full swing (apparently), can barely raise an eyebrow
where F1's concerned. The last time they raised a bit of a fuss was when
Williams dropped Damon - and they only did that because they hadn't enything
better to do at the time.
--
Cheers,
Probert.
j...@nospam.com
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>
> "noone" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <q1lEi.46008$rr5....@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
>> "AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's
>>> security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy.
>>
>> I would. Ferrari could equip me with a Beretta AR70 and a Benelli Nova
>> Pump,
>
> Erm, sorry to pour water all over your self-masturbatory gun fantasies,
> Brian, but there wouldn't be any guns allowed anywhere near any private
> security detail in Britain, or pretty much anywhere else come to that. And
> if a member of that detail insisted on keeping his weaponry (and
> love-objects), they wouldn't get past passport control.
To reach passport control, Brian would need a passport.
gs
> "Probert" <nick.wf1commde...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> news:UsudncaY17k...@bt.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "noone" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> >> "AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> >>> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's
> >>> security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy.
>
> >> I would. Ferrari could equip me with a Beretta AR70 and a Benelli Nova
> >> Pump,
>
> > Erm, sorry to pour water all over your self-masturbatory gun fantasies,
> > Brian, but there wouldn't be any guns allowed anywhere near any private
> > security detail in Britain, or pretty much anywhere else come to that. And
> > if a member of that detail insisted on keeping his weaponry (and
> > love-objects), they wouldn't get past passport control.
>
> To reach passport control, Brian would need a passport.
They'd need to let him out of the secure ward first.
AC
"Hal S." <h.sa...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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They read the same papers, drink the same beer, and rarely get a win
on the international sporting circuit. You do the math !!!!
AC
AC
"Silent Observer" <harry...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Look, Im trying to whip up actual violence. F1 needs it.
AC
gs
All 'real' F1 fans want to see good racing, not teams cheating or
others wanting to win by default, but then I'd suggest you don't want
to see real racing.
gs
> If McLaren do get banned on thursday what are the potental ramifications.
> the ones I have thought of so far are
> 1) Alonso and Hamiltion on the open market
> 2) Would prodrive still happen seeing they are rumoured to be used McLaren
> cast offs
> 3) Only 18 runners on next years grid (if prodrive didn't happen)
> 4) Top two teams having to run a third car next season.
>
> Anyone think of anything else?
Slight change in management structure and a new name and Mac's Racing
is up and running again ;-)
Richard
There are more Brit Ferrari fans than Mclaren fans! Yes Lewis is with them,
but he will still be racing next season regardless with someone.
R.
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AC
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> Rubbish!
>
> There are more Brit Ferrari fans than Mclaren fans! Yes Lewis is
> with them, but he will still be racing next season regardless with
> someone.
>
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?
AC
AC
> In article <MPG.214be46ba...@news.individual.net>,
>
>>
>> As someone whose love for Ferrari began when Gilles was a driver, I
>> rarely
>> saw consistent victories. That certainly didn't stop me. But
>> I've long
>> since tossed away my "fan boy" notions.
>>
>> I like to watch the competition.
>
>
> --
Fuck. I've just sussed you out.
You hate F1 dont you? You actually want to destroy the entire sport.
God, why did I not see it before? What blind twat I have been.
Ahhh, the sun just broke through the clouds. That proves it. Relief
all over.
AC
AC
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Oh, please. Just for the irony. England AND Germany comming together
to declare war.
Awesome.
Can we have Nazi uniforms? They were always the best. And the tanks,
they were way cool. And Max (this just get better) Max can head the
whole thing up . He was born for this. Heil the Max! The Mad Max, and
his troll assistant, Bernie. Mini Max!!! Yeah, baby, this so works.
Could this whole thing be a Max inspired fascist conspiracy to unite
Britain and Germany in a new attempt to rule the world? Brilliant.
Screw my bollocks about Brit fans lynching anything Italian at next
years GB GP; ladies and gentlemen, we are going to WAR. Wo Hooooooo
AC
Probert
"AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
>
> "noone" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <MPG.214be46ba...@news.individual.net>,
>> Dreddie <dred...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> noone <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> > In article <46e1f30d$0$19632$4c36...@roadrunner.com>,
>>> > Joseph <jos...@eliminatespam.com> wrote:
<snipped>
> Fuck. I've just sussed you out.
>
> You hate F1 dont you? You actually want to destroy the entire sport.
I've been wondering that for a while - even during the odder moments of my
self-imposed silence (but that's what an evening on ouzo can do to you).
It's interesting Brian promotes this facile view of Ferrari winning
everything (by right, apparently) and then spends much of his time railing
against communism/totalitarianism (even mild socialism). I guess he just
doesn't get the irony.
The man(?)'s a twat - but there you go.
It's just sport, Brian. Without competition there is no sport - or, at
least, none that any normal person would want to watch, or take part in.
--
Cheers,
Probert.
a_Frank
>>> I like to watch the competition.
>>
>> Then you never win.
>>
>
>Fuck. I've just sussed you out.
>You hate F1 dont you? You actually want to destroy the entire sport.
>
He wouldn't know what sport is. If he was in England, he'd be the
stereotypical embetwatted MU fan. Every post he makes underlines that.
>God, why did I not see it before? What blind twat I have been.
>
Ohhkay.. Who are we to argue ? ;-p
--
Regards, Frank
gs
> self-imposed silence (but that's what an evening on ouzo can do to you).
Hmmmm ouzo......
SmilyFace
> If McLaren do get banned on thursday
Ya, that's going to happen.
john.ku...@sympatico.ca
Well, Japan would side with Italy, and so will India now that the new
Indian team will have those Ferrari Engines.
The Chinese love Red Cars.
The United States will just go around in circles.
Paul Ian Harman
FIA desperately seek alternate source of standardised ECU.
Ferrari walk another championship.
Viewing figures plummet, advertising revenue diminishes as nervous sponsors
walk away.
F1 topples.
Paul
Tony
"AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
>
> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's
> security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy.
> Remember, like anyone could forget, Hamilton is the new British sporting
> darling. Also remember Britain has an insane tabloid press. You can bet
> that a storm will be whipped up. Could get nasty for Ferrari guys.
>
nasty guys of their own.
Tony S.