If McLaren do get banned on thursday what are the potental ramifications. the ones I have thought of so far are 1) Alonso and Hamiltion on the open market 2) Would prodrive still happen seeing they are rumoured to be used McLaren cast offs 3) Only 18 runners on next years grid (if prodrive didn't happen) 4) Top two teams having to run a third car next season.
> If McLaren do get banned on thursday what are the potental > ramifications. the ones I have thought of so far are > 1) Alonso and Hamiltion on the open market > 2) Would prodrive still happen seeing they are rumoured to be used > McLaren cast offs > 3) Only 18 runners on next years grid (if prodrive didn't happen) > 4) Top two teams having to run a third car next season.
> Anyone think of anything else?
> Rob
If Mclaren are banned for say next year, then I expect Alonso to go to Renault, especially as there is the smell of flav all over Alonso's current actions. Remember, Alonso brings 0.5sec to any team, and Renault sure do need it.
Hamilton to Prodrive for a year 'character building'. Mercedes and all its tech to Prodrive. Most of the Mclaren design staff to be 'loaned' to prodrive.
Wouldnt supprise me if there were a plan already in place.
Lastly, I would be completely supprised if Ron resigned *IF* Mclaren were found guilty of using stolen IP and were banned for next year.
> "Astraman" <rob.st...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message > news:46e1d547_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com... >> If McLaren do get banned on thursday what are the potental >> ramifications. the ones I have thought of so far are >> 1) Alonso and Hamiltion on the open market >> 2) Would prodrive still happen seeing they are rumoured to be used >> McLaren cast offs >> 3) Only 18 runners on next years grid (if prodrive didn't happen) >> 4) Top two teams having to run a third car next season.
>> Anyone think of anything else?
>> Rob
> If Mclaren are banned for say next year, then I expect Alonso to go > to Renault, especially as there is the smell of flav all over > Alonso's current actions. Remember, Alonso brings 0.5sec to any > team, and Renault sure do need it.
> Hamilton to Prodrive for a year 'character building'. Mercedes and > all its tech to Prodrive. Most of the Mclaren design staff to be > 'loaned' to prodrive.
> Wouldnt supprise me if there were a plan already in place.
> Lastly, I would be completely supprised if Ron resigned *IF* Mclaren > were found guilty of using stolen IP and were banned for next year.
> AC
To add:
If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy. Remember, like anyone could forget, Hamilton is the new British sporting darling. Also remember Britain has an insane tabloid press. You can bet that a storm will be whipped up. Could get nasty for Ferrari guys.
>> "Astraman" <rob.st...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:46e1d547_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com... >>> If McLaren do get banned on thursday what are the potental >>> ramifications. the ones I have thought of so far are >>> 1) Alonso and Hamiltion on the open market >>> 2) Would prodrive still happen seeing they are rumoured to be used >>> McLaren cast offs >>> 3) Only 18 runners on next years grid (if prodrive didn't happen) >>> 4) Top two teams having to run a third car next season.
>>> Anyone think of anything else?
>>> Rob
>> If Mclaren are banned for say next year, then I expect Alonso to go to >> Renault, especially as there is the smell of flav all over Alonso's >> current actions. Remember, Alonso brings 0.5sec to any team, and Renault >> sure do need it.
>> Hamilton to Prodrive for a year 'character building'. Mercedes and all >> its tech to Prodrive. Most of the Mclaren design staff to be 'loaned' to >> prodrive.
>> Wouldnt supprise me if there were a plan already in place.
>> Lastly, I would be completely supprised if Ron resigned *IF* Mclaren were >> found guilty of using stolen IP and were banned for next year.
>> AC
> To add:
> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's > security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy. > Remember, like anyone could forget, Hamilton is the new British sporting > darling. Also remember Britain has an insane tabloid press. You can bet > that a storm will be whipped up. Could get nasty for Ferrari guys.
> If McLaren is banned, kiss F1 TV ratings down the shitter......... > Who is going to watch Ferrari win all the races.....
I think (but I don't have any damn lies to confirm) that most of F1 fans follow the drivers and not the teams. This season 2 Ferrari drivers are very close and there will be a battle for the championship even without McLaren. Next year both current McLaren drivers are not likely not to find a drive and you never know who will have a good car and who won't. So in my opinion, McLaren ban won't affect F1 TV ratings very significantly.
>> If McLaren is banned, kiss F1 TV ratings down the shitter......... >> Who is going to watch Ferrari win all the races..... > I think (but I don't have any damn lies to confirm) that most of F1 fans > follow the drivers and not the teams. This season 2 Ferrari drivers are > very close and there will be a battle for the championship even without > McLaren. Next year both current McLaren drivers are not likely not to find > a drive and you never know who will have a good car and who won't. So in my > opinion, McLaren ban won't affect F1 TV ratings very significantly.
But the problem is that Ferrari has been so dominant, and McLaren have been the only team to challenge them. You can dream that other teams might suddenly become competitive (Honda? Toyota?), but with McLaren out there is likely to be only two drivers who have the possibility of challenging for the championship. This does not make a compelling sport.
Astraman wrote: > If McLaren do get banned on thursday what are the potental ramifications. > the ones I have thought of so far are > 1) Alonso and Hamiltion on the open market > 2) Would prodrive still happen seeing they are rumoured to be used McLaren > cast offs > 3) Only 18 runners on next years grid (if prodrive didn't happen) > 4) Top two teams having to run a third car next season.
> But the problem is that Ferrari has been so dominant, and McLaren have > been the only team to challenge them. You can dream that other teams might > suddenly become competitive (Honda? Toyota?), but with McLaren out ...
Renault want the last two championships not McLaren.
>> "Astraman" <rob.st...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:46e1d547_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com... >>> If McLaren do get banned on thursday what are the potental >>> ramifications. the ones I have thought of so far are >>> 1) Alonso and Hamiltion on the open market >>> 2) Would prodrive still happen seeing they are rumoured to be used >>> McLaren cast offs >>> 3) Only 18 runners on next years grid (if prodrive didn't happen) >>> 4) Top two teams having to run a third car next season.
>>> Anyone think of anything else?
>>> Rob
>> If Mclaren are banned for say next year, then I expect Alonso to go to >> Renault, especially as there is the smell of flav all over Alonso's >> current actions. Remember, Alonso brings 0.5sec to any team, and Renault >> sure do need it.
>> Hamilton to Prodrive for a year 'character building'. Mercedes and all >> its tech to Prodrive. Most of the Mclaren design staff to be 'loaned' to >> prodrive.
>> Wouldnt supprise me if there were a plan already in place.
>> Lastly, I would be completely supprised if Ron resigned *IF* Mclaren were >> found guilty of using stolen IP and were banned for next year.
>> AC
> To add:
> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's > security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy. > Remember, like anyone could forget, Hamilton is the new British sporting > darling. Also remember Britain has an insane tabloid press. You can bet > that a storm will be whipped up. Could get nasty for Ferrari guys.
> AC -------------------------------
So you're saying Brit F1 fans are no different than Brit football hooligans?
noone <no...@nowhere.com> wrote: > In article <46e1f30d$0$19632$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, > Joseph <jos...@eliminatespam.com> wrote:
> > But the problem is that Ferrari has been so dominant, and McLaren have > > been the only team to challenge them. You can dream that other teams > > might suddenly become competitive (Honda? Toyota?), but with McLaren out > > there is likely to be only two drivers who have the possibility of > > challenging for the championship. This does not make a compelling sport.
> Should make for the greatest season in F1 history.
> I'd love to see Ferrari win every race.
And, as a child, all I wanted to see was my favourite team win every game!
How exciting! Until I started to play competitive sports and realized that such things were boring because the test of any good team is losing and how they managed it, especially when I was on top teams in hockey that showed how we fought back after a good shit kicking or a bad season; not to forget how our opponents put us to the wall and were good too.
As someone whose love for Ferrari began when Gilles was a driver, I rarely saw consistent victories. That certainly didn't stop me. But I've long since tossed away my "fan boy" notions.
Bob Dubery <megap...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 8, 12:48 am, "Astraman" <rob.st...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > If McLaren do get
> IF
> IF
> IF
> I do think that there is in the latest turn of events an element of > FIA wanting people to put up or shut up.
Cutting out McLaren from next year's season is tantamount to any sporting league ridding itself of a well renowned contender and vital organ for survival. Cutting off its nose to spite the face.
They may as well take Jack Bauer from 24 and substitute his real life Dad!
> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's > security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy. > Remember, like anyone could forget, Hamilton is the new British sporting > darling. Also remember Britain has an insane tabloid press. You can bet > that a storm will be whipped up. Could get nasty for Ferrari guys.
On Sep 8, 6:33 am, Dreddie <dreddi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Cutting out McLaren from next year's season is tantamount to any sporting > league ridding itself of a well renowned contender and vital organ for > survival. Cutting off its nose to spite the face.
> They may as well take Jack Bauer from 24 and substitute his real life Dad!
Well look at Italian soccer where a team with a huge reputation, an excellent record and a significant following was relegated. After, of course, being found guilty of trying to manipulate match officials.
It was a shock - and well it should have been - but the competition carried on.
The difference, of course, is that in soccer you can promote another team to make up the numbers. In F1 it's not quite as simple.
I don't think there's any one team that F1 can survive without - and that includes Ferrari. It's like drivers - the greats will come and go and will be missed for a while, but the sport will carry on.
> In article <q1lEi.46008$rr5.39...@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>, > "AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's >> security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy.
> I would. Ferrari could equip me with a Beretta AR70 and a Benelli Nova > Pump,
Erm, sorry to pour water all over your self-masturbatory gun fantasies, Brian, but there wouldn't be any guns allowed anywhere near any private security detail in Britain, or pretty much anywhere else come to that. And if a member of that detail insisted on keeping his weaponry (and love-objects), they wouldn't get past passport control.
I also think the OP is rather overstating the case - the British tabs, even with Lewis-mania in full swing (apparently), can barely raise an eyebrow where F1's concerned. The last time they raised a bit of a fuss was when Williams dropped Damon - and they only did that because they hadn't enything better to do at the time.
>>> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's >>> security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy.
>> I would. Ferrari could equip me with a Beretta AR70 and a Benelli Nova >> Pump,
> Erm, sorry to pour water all over your self-masturbatory gun fantasies, > Brian, but there wouldn't be any guns allowed anywhere near any private > security detail in Britain, or pretty much anywhere else come to that. And > if a member of that detail insisted on keeping his weaponry (and > love-objects), they wouldn't get past passport control.
To reach passport control, Brian would need a passport.
> >>> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's > >>> security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy.
> >> I would. Ferrari could equip me with a Beretta AR70 and a Benelli Nova > >> Pump,
> > Erm, sorry to pour water all over your self-masturbatory gun fantasies, > > Brian, but there wouldn't be any guns allowed anywhere near any private > > security detail in Britain, or pretty much anywhere else come to that. And > > if a member of that detail insisted on keeping his weaponry (and > > love-objects), they wouldn't get past passport control.
> To reach passport control, Brian would need a passport.
They'd need to let him out of the secure ward first.
>>> "Astraman" <rob.st...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:46e1d547_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com... >>>> If McLaren do get banned on thursday what are the potental >>>> ramifications. the ones I have thought of so far are >>>> 1) Alonso and Hamiltion on the open market >>>> 2) Would prodrive still happen seeing they are rumoured to be >>>> used McLaren cast offs >>>> 3) Only 18 runners on next years grid (if prodrive didn't happen) >>>> 4) Top two teams having to run a third car next season.
>>>> Anyone think of anything else?
>>>> Rob
>>> If Mclaren are banned for say next year, then I expect Alonso to >>> go to Renault, especially as there is the smell of flav all over >>> Alonso's current actions. Remember, Alonso brings 0.5sec to any >>> team, and Renault sure do need it.
>>> Hamilton to Prodrive for a year 'character building'. Mercedes and >>> all its tech to Prodrive. Most of the Mclaren design staff to be >>> 'loaned' to prodrive.
>>> Wouldnt supprise me if there were a plan already in place.
>>> Lastly, I would be completely supprised if Ron resigned *IF* >>> Mclaren were found guilty of using stolen IP and were banned for >>> next year.
>>> AC
>> To add:
>> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on >> Ferrari's security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a >> little hairy. Remember, like anyone could forget, Hamilton is the >> new British sporting darling. Also remember Britain has an insane >> tabloid press. You can bet that a storm will be whipped up. Could >> get nasty for Ferrari guys.
>> AC -------------------------------
> So you're saying Brit F1 fans are no different than Brit football > hooligans?
> -- > Hal S.
They read the same papers, drink the same beer, and rarely get a win on the international sporting circuit. You do the math !!!!
>> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on >> Ferrari's security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a >> little hairy. Remember, like anyone could forget, Hamilton is the >> new British sporting darling. Also remember Britain has an insane >> tabloid press. You can bet that a storm will be whipped up. Could >> get nasty for Ferrari guys.
> F1 hooligans? ;)
Look, Im trying to whip up actual violence. F1 needs it.
All 'real' F1 fans want to see good racing, not teams cheating or others wanting to win by default, but then I'd suggest you don't want to see real racing.
On 7 Sep, 23:48, "Astraman" <rob.st...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> If McLaren do get banned on thursday what are the potental ramifications. > the ones I have thought of so far are > 1) Alonso and Hamiltion on the open market > 2) Would prodrive still happen seeing they are rumoured to be used McLaren > cast offs > 3) Only 18 runners on next years grid (if prodrive didn't happen) > 4) Top two teams having to run a third car next season.
> Anyone think of anything else?
Slight change in management structure and a new name and Mac's Racing is up and running again ;-)
>>>> "Astraman" <rob.st...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:46e1d547_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com... >>>>> If McLaren do get banned on thursday what are the potental >>>>> ramifications. the ones I have thought of so far are >>>>> 1) Alonso and Hamiltion on the open market >>>>> 2) Would prodrive still happen seeing they are rumoured to be used >>>>> McLaren cast offs >>>>> 3) Only 18 runners on next years grid (if prodrive didn't happen) >>>>> 4) Top two teams having to run a third car next season.
>>>>> Anyone think of anything else?
>>>>> Rob
>>>> If Mclaren are banned for say next year, then I expect Alonso to go to >>>> Renault, especially as there is the smell of flav all over Alonso's >>>> current actions. Remember, Alonso brings 0.5sec to any team, and >>>> Renault sure do need it.
>>>> Hamilton to Prodrive for a year 'character building'. Mercedes and all >>>> its tech to Prodrive. Most of the Mclaren design staff to be 'loaned' >>>> to prodrive.
>>>> Wouldnt supprise me if there were a plan already in place.
>>>> Lastly, I would be completely supprised if Ron resigned *IF* Mclaren >>>> were found guilty of using stolen IP and were banned for next year.
>>>> AC
>>> To add:
>>> If Mclaren were banned next year, I would not want to be on Ferrari's >>> security detail at the 2008 British GP. That could be a little hairy. >>> Remember, like anyone could forget, Hamilton is the new British sporting >>> darling. Also remember Britain has an insane tabloid press. You can bet >>> that a storm will be whipped up. Could get nasty for Ferrari guys.
>>> AC -------------------------------
>> So you're saying Brit F1 fans are no different than Brit football >> hooligans?
>> -- >> Hal S.
> They read the same papers, drink the same beer, and rarely get a win on > the international sporting circuit. You do the math !!!!
> In article <MPG.214be46babfeb77d989...@news.individual.net>, > Dreddie <dreddi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> noone <no...@nowhere.com> wrote: >> > In article <46e1f30d$0$19632$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, >> > Joseph <jos...@eliminatespam.com> wrote:
>> > > But the problem is that Ferrari has been so dominant, and >> > > McLaren have >> > > been the only team to challenge them. You can dream that other >> > > teams >> > > might suddenly become competitive (Honda? Toyota?), but with >> > > McLaren out >> > > there is likely to be only two drivers who have the possibility >> > > of >> > > challenging for the championship. This does not make a >> > > compelling sport.
>> > Should make for the greatest season in F1 history.
>> > I'd love to see Ferrari win every race.
>> And, as a child, all I wanted to see was my favourite team win >> every game!
>> How exciting! Until I started to play competitive sports and >> realized that >> such things were boring because the test of any good team is losing >> and how >> they managed it, especially when I was on top teams in hockey that >> showed >> how we fought back after a good shit kicking or a bad season; not >> to forget >> how our opponents put us to the wall and were good too.
> There is nothing to be gained in losing.
>> As someone whose love for Ferrari began when Gilles was a driver, I >> rarely >> saw consistent victories. That certainly didn't stop me. But >> I've long >> since tossed away my "fan boy" notions.
>> I like to watch the competition.
> Then you never win.
> --
Fuck. I've just sussed you out.
You hate F1 dont you? You actually want to destroy the entire sport.
God, why did I not see it before? What blind twat I have been.
Ahhh, the sun just broke through the clouds. That proves it. Relief all over.
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