McLaren Say...
peter
Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent.
McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers
have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week’s
hearing, where the team plan to make a “strong set of submissions.
Formula1.com
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Peter
Bob Dubery
> In article <kNgg9OADkZ4GF...@ntlworld.com>,
To Her Majesty, Ron Dennis and decency!
Drew
Luigi Topolino
Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from
candor and truthful disclosure.
ric zito
Trial by media OK by you then?
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ric at pixelligence dot com
Luigi Topolino
I didn't say that at all.
Someone slip you a BigBird pill?
a_Frank
<tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:17:56 +0200, add...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
>>Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote:
>>> >peter wrote:
>>> >> Not a lot.
>>> >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent.
>>> >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers
>>> >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's
>>> >> hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions.
>>> >> Formula1.com
>>> >A right and proper response
>>>
>>> Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from
>>> candor and truthful disclosure.
>>
>>Trial by media OK by you then?
>
>I didn't say that at all.
>
To be frank(and i am<g>), you've been going on with your opinions
based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other
inside sources, but if so, don't be a prick and let us in, hey ?
So at this moment, what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume
you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media.
The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little
evidence to any serious McLaren involvement, apart from Coughlan being
one of their employees..
The new evidence may change that, but to this moment there is zero
evidence and to NOT convict on superficial or even just inconclusive
evidence is also part of any decent legal system.
>Someone slip you a BigBird pill?
>
Ric dyed his feathers yellow ?
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Regards, Frank
Luigi Topolino
<fa...@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:27:44 -0400, Luigi Topolino
><tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:17:56 +0200, add...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
>>>Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote:
>>>> >peter wrote:
>>>> >> Not a lot.
>>>> >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent.
>>>> >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers
>>>> >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's
>>>> >> hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions.
>>>> >> Formula1.com
>>>> >A right and proper response
>>>>
>>>> Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from
>>>> candor and truthful disclosure.
>>>
>>>Trial by media OK by you then?
>>
>>I didn't say that at all.
>>
>To be frank(and i am<g>), you've been going on with your opinions
>based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other
>inside sources, but if so, don't be a prick and let us in, hey ?
1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that
McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.
2) That's really germane to the issue of the innocent having nothing
to fear from candid and truthful disclosure.
If one isn't liable or guilty one can incriminate oneself with the
truth.
>So at this moment, what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume
>you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media.
>The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little
>evidence to any serious McLaren involvement, apart from Coughlan being
>one of their employees..
>The new evidence may change that, but to this moment there is zero
>evidence and to NOT convict on superficial or even just inconclusive
>evidence is also part of any decent legal system.
McLaren are guilty of having another team's relevant IP. A punishable
offense, oddly.
>>Someone slip you a BigBird pill?
>>
>Ric dyed his feathers yellow ?
That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
Luigi Topolino
>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:27:44 -0400, Luigi Topolino
><tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:17:56 +0200, add...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
>>>Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote:
>>>> >peter wrote:
>>>> >> Not a lot.
>>>> >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent.
>>>> >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers
>>>> >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's
>>>> >> hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions.
>>>> >> Formula1.com
>>>> >A right and proper response
>>>>
>>>> Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from
>>>> candor and truthful disclosure.
>>>
>>>Trial by media OK by you then?
>>
>>I didn't say that at all.
>>
>To be frank(and i am<g>), you've been going on with your opinions
>based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other
>inside sources, but if so, don't be a prick and let us in, hey ?
1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that
McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.
2) That's really [NOT] germane to the issue of the innocent having
nothing to fear from candid and truthful disclosure.
If one isn't liable or guilty one [CAN'T] incriminate oneself with the
truth.
[I CAN'T TYPE TODAY.]
>So at this moment, what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume
>you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media.
>The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little
>evidence to any serious McLaren involvement, apart from Coughlan being
>one of their employees..
>The new evidence may change that, but to this moment there is zero
>evidence and to NOT convict on superficial or even just inconclusive
>evidence is also part of any decent legal system.
McLaren are guilty of having another team's relevant IP. A punishable
offense, oddly.
>>Someone slip you a BigBird pill?
>>
>Ric dyed his feathers yellow ?
That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
Dreddie
> 1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that
> McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.
>
warming conspiracy.
Dreddie
> If one isn't liable or guilty one can incriminate oneself with the
> truth.
>
Luigi Topolino
wrote:
Worst typing school, for sure, steno boy.
--
"Shame that New Zealand team made a mess of things."
a_Frank
<tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>Trial by media OK by you then?
>>>
>>>I didn't say that at all.
>>>
>>To be frank(and i am<g>), you've been going on with your opinions
>>based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other
>>inside sources, but if so, don't be a prick and let us in, hey ?
>
>1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that
>McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.
>
The only thing that was determined and admitted by McLaren was the
receipt of the floor information, the release of which is endorsed by
the FIA, since they want all illegalities outed.
Perhaps the means could be questioned, but you have to wonder why the
FIA didn't query McLaren about how they have gained knowledge of the
inside of an undertray, which is usually not exactly a photo
opportunity. Or maybe they did ask, but saw nothing wrong with it ?
>2) That's really [NOT] germane to the issue of the innocent having
>nothing to fear from candid and truthful disclosure.
>If one isn't liable or guilty one [CAN'T] incriminate oneself with the
>truth.
>
As far as i know, the McLaren team have provided all information and
granted any access requested by the FIA to satisfy their
investigations.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, because if they are guilty,
they will have done no more and kept or destroyed the evidence. If
they are innocent, they should still do no more and there IS no
evidence.
>[I CAN'T TYPE TODAY.]
>
Crap, just when i thought you've just incriminated yourself as a
closet McLaren fan. Wasn't hard though, was it ? ;-)
>>So at this moment, what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume
>>you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media.
>>The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little
>>evidence to any serious McLaren involvement, apart from Coughlan being
>>one of their employees..
>>The new evidence may change that, but to this moment there is zero
>>evidence and to NOT convict on superficial or even just inconclusive
>>evidence is also part of any decent legal system.
>
>McLaren are guilty of having another team's relevant IP. A punishable
>offense, oddly.
>
Punishable, if hard evidence is presented to the court. As of now,
there is none of that. The "new evidence" may change that, but till
then, there is nothing McLaren could be convicted on, except bringing
the sport into disrepute and even that only through liability due to
their employee's wrong doing.
Stepney and Coughlan can be convicted, since they both(especially
Coughlan) have been tied to the case quite well and evidence exists to
that effect.
>>>Someone slip you a BigBird pill?
>>Ric dyed his feathers yellow ?
>That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
>
Well, he IS Italian...
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Regards, Frank
Suzieflame
"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical
director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a
clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand
Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in
the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the
car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship.
Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any
difference to Ferrari."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article2042025.ece
http://sport.independent.co.uk/motor_racing/article2737046.ece
Suzie
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Suzieflame
Luigi Topolino
Propaganda 101: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,
people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels
ric zito
> >Ric dyed his feathers yellow ?
> That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
Are you suggesting that if McLaren did anything other than keep quiet
until the hearing they *wouldn't* be subjected to a trial by the media?
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough for you.
Under which rock have you been hiding these last months?
Suzieflame
<tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical
director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a
clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand
Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in
the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the
car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship.
Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any
difference to Ferrari."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article2042025.ece
http://sport.independent.co.uk/motor_racing/article2737046.ece
Suzie
--
Suzieflame
Suzieflame
<tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article2042025.ece
http://sport.independent.co.uk/motor_racing/article2737046.ece
Suzie
--
Suzieflame
j...@nospam.com
news:1cq5e3d7vp5d1u838...@4ax.com...
> "The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical
> etc
Give it a rest already. Wish I hadn't bothered digging out the cites now.
RBrickston
suzie...@yachtmail.com says...
Ferrari at the 1980 German Grand Prix when he did not work for Ferrari
until May of 1981?
RBrickston
suzie...@yachtmail.com says...
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:00:02 -0400, Luigi Topolino
> <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 17:44:19 +0200, Suzieflame
> ><suzie...@yachtmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:11:19 -0400, Luigi Topolino
> >><tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote:
> >>>>peter wrote:
> >>>>> Not a lot.
> >>>>> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent.
> >>>>> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers
> >>>>> hearing, where the team plan to make a ?strong set of submissions.
Luigi Topolino
And I didn't say that either. Stop drinking from the same bottle as
BigBird.
Luigi Topolino
I guess it's official: Swallowing sperm makes one stupid.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,
people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels
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Luigi Topolino
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