Not a lot. Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week’s hearing, where the team plan to make a “strong set of submissions. Formula1.com -- Peter
> peter <scou...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote: > > Not a lot. > > Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. > > McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers > > have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's > > hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions. > > Formula1.com
peter wrote: > Not a lot. > Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. > McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers > have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week’s > hearing, where the team plan to make a “strong set of submissions. > Formula1.com
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: >peter wrote: >> Not a lot. >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week’s >> hearing, where the team plan to make a “strong set of submissions. >> Formula1.com >A right and proper response
Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from candor and truthful disclosure.
Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: > On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: > >peter wrote: > >> Not a lot. > >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. > >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers > >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's > >> hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions. > >> Formula1.com > >A right and proper response
> Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from > candor and truthful disclosure.
Trial by media OK by you then? -- ric at pixelligence dot com
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:17:56 +0200, addr...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote: >Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: >> >peter wrote: >> >> Not a lot. >> >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. >> >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers >> >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's >> >> hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions. >> >> Formula1.com >> >A right and proper response
>> Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from >> candor and truthful disclosure.
<tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:17:56 +0200, addr...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote: >>Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: >>> >peter wrote: >>> >> Not a lot. >>> >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. >>> >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers >>> >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's >>> >> hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions. >>> >> Formula1.com >>> >A right and proper response
>>> Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from >>> candor and truthful disclosure.
>>Trial by media OK by you then?
>I didn't say that at all.
To be frank(and i am<g>), you've been going on with your opinions based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other inside sources, but if so, don't be a prick and let us in, hey ?
So at this moment, what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media. The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little evidence to any serious McLaren involvement, apart from Coughlan being one of their employees.. The new evidence may change that, but to this moment there is zero evidence and to NOT convict on superficial or even just inconclusive evidence is also part of any decent legal system.
<f...@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:27:44 -0400, Luigi Topolino ><tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >>On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:17:56 +0200, addr...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote: >>>Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: >>>> >peter wrote: >>>> >> Not a lot. >>>> >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. >>>> >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers >>>> >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's >>>> >> hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions. >>>> >> Formula1.com >>>> >A right and proper response
>>>> Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from >>>> candor and truthful disclosure.
>>>Trial by media OK by you then?
>>I didn't say that at all.
>To be frank(and i am<g>), you've been going on with your opinions >based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other >inside sources, but if so, don't be a prick and let us in, hey ?
1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.
2) That's really germane to the issue of the innocent having nothing to fear from candid and truthful disclosure.
If one isn't liable or guilty one can incriminate oneself with the truth.
>So at this moment, what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume >you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media. >The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little >evidence to any serious McLaren involvement, apart from Coughlan being >one of their employees.. >The new evidence may change that, but to this moment there is zero >evidence and to NOT convict on superficial or even just inconclusive >evidence is also part of any decent legal system.
McLaren are guilty of having another team's relevant IP. A punishable offense, oddly.
>>Someone slip you a BigBird pill?
>Ric dyed his feathers yellow ?
That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
<f...@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:27:44 -0400, Luigi Topolino ><tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >>On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:17:56 +0200, addr...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote: >>>Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: >>>> >peter wrote: >>>> >> Not a lot. >>>> >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. >>>> >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers >>>> >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's >>>> >> hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions. >>>> >> Formula1.com >>>> >A right and proper response
>>>> Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from >>>> candor and truthful disclosure.
>>>Trial by media OK by you then?
>>I didn't say that at all.
>To be frank(and i am<g>), you've been going on with your opinions >based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other >inside sources, but if so, don't be a prick and let us in, hey ?
1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.
2) That's really [NOT] germane to the issue of the innocent having nothing to fear from candid and truthful disclosure.
If one isn't liable or guilty one [CAN'T] incriminate oneself with the truth.
[I CAN'T TYPE TODAY.]
>So at this moment, what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume >you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media. >The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little >evidence to any serious McLaren involvement, apart from Coughlan being >one of their employees.. >The new evidence may change that, but to this moment there is zero >evidence and to NOT convict on superficial or even just inconclusive >evidence is also part of any decent legal system.
McLaren are guilty of having another team's relevant IP. A punishable offense, oddly.
>>Someone slip you a BigBird pill?
>Ric dyed his feathers yellow ?
That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: > 1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that > McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.
Rush says that McLaren and Al Gore are behind the big socialist global warming conspiracy.
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:39:08 -0400, Luigi Topolino
<tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >>>>Trial by media OK by you then?
>>>I didn't say that at all.
>>To be frank(and i am<g>), you've been going on with your opinions >>based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other >>inside sources, but if so, don't be a prick and let us in, hey ?
>1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that >McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.
The only thing that was determined and admitted by McLaren was the receipt of the floor information, the release of which is endorsed by the FIA, since they want all illegalities outed. Perhaps the means could be questioned, but you have to wonder why the FIA didn't query McLaren about how they have gained knowledge of the inside of an undertray, which is usually not exactly a photo opportunity. Or maybe they did ask, but saw nothing wrong with it ?
>2) That's really [NOT] germane to the issue of the innocent having >nothing to fear from candid and truthful disclosure. >If one isn't liable or guilty one [CAN'T] incriminate oneself with the >truth.
As far as i know, the McLaren team have provided all information and granted any access requested by the FIA to satisfy their investigations. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, because if they are guilty, they will have done no more and kept or destroyed the evidence. If they are innocent, they should still do no more and there IS no evidence.
>[I CAN'T TYPE TODAY.]
Crap, just when i thought you've just incriminated yourself as a closet McLaren fan. Wasn't hard though, was it ? ;-)
>>So at this moment, what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume >>you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media. >>The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little >>evidence to any serious McLaren involvement, apart from Coughlan being >>one of their employees.. >>The new evidence may change that, but to this moment there is zero >>evidence and to NOT convict on superficial or even just inconclusive >>evidence is also part of any decent legal system.
>McLaren are guilty of having another team's relevant IP. A punishable >offense, oddly.
Punishable, if hard evidence is presented to the court. As of now, there is none of that. The "new evidence" may change that, but till then, there is nothing McLaren could be convicted on, except bringing the sport into disrepute and even that only through liability due to their employee's wrong doing. Stepney and Coughlan can be convicted, since they both(especially Coughlan) have been tied to the case quite well and evidence exists to that effect.
>>>Someone slip you a BigBird pill? >>Ric dyed his feathers yellow ? >That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:11:19 -0400, Luigi Topolino
<tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: >>peter wrote: >>> Not a lot. >>> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. >>> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers >>> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week’s >>> hearing, where the team plan to make a “strong set of submissions. >>> Formula1.com >>A right and proper response
>Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from >candor and truthful disclosure.
"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship. Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any difference to Ferrari."
>>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: >>>peter wrote: >>>> Not a lot. >>>> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. >>>> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers >>>> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week’s >>>> hearing, where the team plan to make a “strong set of submissions. >>>> Formula1.com >>>A right and proper response
>>Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from >>candor and truthful disclosure.
>"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical >director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a >clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand >Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in >the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the >car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship. >Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any >difference to Ferrari."
Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: > >Ric dyed his feathers yellow ? > That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
Are you suggesting that if McLaren did anything other than keep quiet until the hearing they *wouldn't* be subjected to a trial by the media? Perhaps I wasn't clear enough for you.
Under which rock have you been hiding these last months? -- ric at pixelligence dot com
<tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:50:29 +1000, a_Frank ><f...@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote: >>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:27:44 -0400, Luigi Topolino >><tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >>>On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:17:56 +0200, addr...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote: >>>>Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: >>>>> >peter wrote: >>>>> >> Not a lot. >>>>> >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. >>>>> >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers >>>>> >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's >>>>> >> hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions. >>>>> >> Formula1.com >>>>> >A right and proper response
>>>>> Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from >>>>> candor and truthful disclosure.
>>>>Trial by media OK by you then?
>>>I didn't say that at all.
>>To be frank(and i am<g>), you've been going on with your opinions >>based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other >>inside sources, but if so, don't be a prick and let us in, hey ?
>1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that >McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.
>2) That's really [NOT] germane to the issue of the innocent having >nothing to fear from candid and truthful disclosure.
>If one isn't liable or guilty one [CAN'T] incriminate oneself with the >truth.
>[I CAN'T TYPE TODAY.]
>>So at this moment, what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume >>you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media. >>The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little >>evidence to any serious McLaren involvement, apart from Coughlan being >>one of their employees.. >>The new evidence may change that, but to this moment there is zero >>evidence and to NOT convict on superficial or even just inconclusive >>evidence is also part of any decent legal system.
>McLaren are guilty of having another team's relevant IP. A punishable >offense, oddly.
>>>Someone slip you a BigBird pill?
>>Ric dyed his feathers yellow ?
>That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship. Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any difference to Ferrari."
>>>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: >>>>peter wrote: >>>>> Not a lot. >>>>> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. >>>>> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers >>>>> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week’s >>>>> hearing, where the team plan to make a “strong set of submissions. >>>>> Formula1.com >>>>A right and proper response
>>>Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from >>>candor and truthful disclosure.
>>"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical >>director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a >>clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand >>Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in >>the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the >>car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship. >>Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any >>difference to Ferrari."
>Propaganda 101: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, >people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels
"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship. Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any difference to Ferrari."
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:39:08 -0400, Luigi Topolino > <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:50:29 +1000, a_Frank > ><f...@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote: > >>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:27:44 -0400, Luigi Topolino > >><tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: > >>>On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:17:56 +0200, addr...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote: > >>>>Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: > >>>>> >peter wrote: > >>>>> >> Not a lot. > >>>>> >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. > >>>>> >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers > >>>>> >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's > >>>>> >> hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions. > >>>>> >> Formula1.com > >>>>> >A right and proper response
> >>>>> Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from > >>>>> candor and truthful disclosure.
> >>>>Trial by media OK by you then?
> >>>I didn't say that at all.
> >>To be frank(and i am<g>), you've been going on with your opinions > >>based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other > >>inside sources, but if so, don't be a prick and let us in, hey ?
> >1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that > >McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.
> >2) That's really [NOT] germane to the issue of the innocent having > >nothing to fear from candid and truthful disclosure.
> >If one isn't liable or guilty one [CAN'T] incriminate oneself with the > >truth.
> >[I CAN'T TYPE TODAY.]
> >>So at this moment, what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume > >>you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media. > >>The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little > >>evidence to any serious McLaren involvement, apart from Coughlan being > >>one of their employees.. > >>The new evidence may change that, but to this moment there is zero > >>evidence and to NOT convict on superficial or even just inconclusive > >>evidence is also part of any decent legal system.
> >McLaren are guilty of having another team's relevant IP. A punishable > >offense, oddly.
> >>>Someone slip you a BigBird pill?
> >>Ric dyed his feathers yellow ?
> >That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
> "The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical > director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a > clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand > Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in > the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the > car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship. > Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any > difference to Ferrari."
And just how did Dr Harvey Postlethwaite mastermind the break-in for Ferrari at the 1980 German Grand Prix when he did not work for Ferrari until May of 1981?
> >>>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: > >>>>peter wrote: > >>>>> Not a lot. > >>>>> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. > >>>>> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers > >>>>> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week?s > >>>>> hearing, where the team plan to make a ?strong set of submissions. > >>>>> Formula1.com > >>>>A right and proper response
> >>>Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from > >>>candor and truthful disclosure.
> >>"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical > >>director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a > >>clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand > >>Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in > >>the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the > >>car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship. > >>Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any > >>difference to Ferrari."
> >Propaganda 101: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, > >people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels
> "The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical > director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a > clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand > Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in > the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the > car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship. > Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any > difference to Ferrari."
And just how did Dr Harvey Postlethwaite mastermind the break-in for Ferrari at the 1980 German Grand Prix when he did not work for Ferrari until May of 1981?
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:26:34 +0200, addr...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote: >Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >> >Ric dyed his feathers yellow ? >> That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
>Are you suggesting that if McLaren did anything other than keep quiet >until the hearing they *wouldn't* be subjected to a trial by the media? >Perhaps I wasn't clear enough for you.
>Under which rock have you been hiding these last months?
And I didn't say that either. Stop drinking from the same bottle as BigBird.
-- "Shame that New Zealand team made a mess of things."
>>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:50:29 +1000, a_Frank >><f...@notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote: >>>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:27:44 -0400, Luigi Topolino >>><tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >>>>On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:17:56 +0200, addr...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote: >>>>>Luigi Topolino <tif...@mindspring.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: >>>>>> >peter wrote: >>>>>> >> Not a lot. >>>>>> >> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. >>>>>> >> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers >>>>>> >> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week's >>>>>> >> hearing, where the team plan to make a "strong set of submissions. >>>>>> >> Formula1.com >>>>>> >A right and proper response
>>>>>> Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from >>>>>> candor and truthful disclosure.
>>>>>Trial by media OK by you then?
>>>>I didn't say that at all.
>>>To be frank(and i am<g>), you've been going on with your opinions >>>based on allegations and hearsay from the media. Maybe you have other >>>inside sources, but if so, don't be a prick and let us in, hey ?
>>1) I have not. I am working on the earlier determination that >>McLaren are guilty of possessing another team's relevant IP.
>>2) That's really [NOT] germane to the issue of the innocent having >>nothing to fear from candid and truthful disclosure.
>>If one isn't liable or guilty one [CAN'T] incriminate oneself with the >>truth.
>>[I CAN'T TYPE TODAY.]
>>>So at this moment, what we(and unless otherwise proven will assume >>>you) know is ALL based on what we've heard from the media. >>>The few actual releases from teams and the FIA provide very little >>>evidence to any serious McLaren involvement, apart from Coughlan being >>>one of their employees.. >>>The new evidence may change that, but to this moment there is zero >>>evidence and to NOT convict on superficial or even just inconclusive >>>evidence is also part of any decent legal system.
>>McLaren are guilty of having another team's relevant IP. A punishable >>offense, oddly.
>>>>Someone slip you a BigBird pill?
>>>Ric dyed his feathers yellow ?
>>That and he suddenly seems to not comprehend plain written English.
>"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical >director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a >clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand >Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in >the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the >car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship. >Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any >difference to Ferrari."
>>>>On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:34:21 +0100, Drew <Drew> wrote: >>>>>peter wrote: >>>>>> Not a lot. >>>>>> Lawyers advise McLaren to remain silent. >>>>>> McLaren said they would like to address the issues, but that lawyers >>>>>> have advised them to make no further comment ahead of next week’s >>>>>> hearing, where the team plan to make a “strong set of submissions. >>>>>> Formula1.com >>>>>A right and proper response
>>>>Only if they're guilty, really, the innocent have nothing to fear from >>>>candor and truthful disclosure.
>>>"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical >>>director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a >>>clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand >>>Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in >>>the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the >>>car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship. >>>Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any >>>difference to Ferrari."
>>Propaganda 101: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, >>people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels
>"The late Dr Harvey Postlethwaite, who was Ferrari's technical >director, admitted that he had been the mastermind behind a >clandestine break-in at the Williams garage during the German Grand >Prix in 1980. A group of Ferrari personnel spent the entire night in >the garage, wielding their tape measures and taking photographs of the >car that would win Australian Alan Jones that year's championship. >Ironically, none of the information gleaned appeared to make any >difference to Ferrari."
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