They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and still be able to start the engine?
Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at the end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:09:13 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
> Bobster wrote ...
> > http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104090 > They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as big > as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and still be > able to start the engine?
> Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we might > have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at the end of > the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the current KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at what revs driving how many kilos?
> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:09:13 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
> > Bobster wrote ...
> > > http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104090 > > They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as big > > as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and still be > > able to start the engine?
> > Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we might > > have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at the end of > > the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
> How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the current > KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at what revs > driving how many kilos?
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:25:53 +0000, Noj wrote:
> build wrote ...
>> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:09:13 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
>> > Bobster wrote ...
>> > > http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104090 >> > They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as
>> > big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and
>> > still be able to start the engine?
>> > Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we
>> > might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at the
>> > end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
>> How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the current
>> KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at what revs
>> driving how many kilos?
>> Think !!!
> With fuck all battery power - nowhere.
> YFI
The current KERS systems have sufficient battery power to provide 80HP for 8 seconds so it is not an invalid question.
80hp would probably hold the pit lane speed limit long enough for he car to coast to its box, getting out again would be a problem though.
-- Try to relax and enjoy the crisis.
-- Ashleigh Brilliant
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:25:53 +0000, Noj wrote:
> > build wrote ...
> >> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:09:13 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
> >> > Bobster wrote ...
> >> > >http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104090 > >> > They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as
> >> > big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and
> >> > still be able to start the engine?
> >> > Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we
> >> > might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at the
> >> > end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
> >> How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the current
> >> KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at what revs
> >> driving how many kilos?
> >> Think !!!
> > With fuck all battery power - nowhere.
> > YFI
> The current KERS systems have sufficient battery power to provide 80HP
> for 8 seconds so it is not an invalid question.
> 80hp would probably hold the pit lane speed limit long enough for he car
> to coast to its box, getting out again would be a problem though.
Not every car has KERS. And not all KERS systems work equally well.
It also seems that some tracks are more "KERS friendly" than others.
> >> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:09:13 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
> >> > Bobster wrote ...
> >> > > http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104090 > >> > They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as
> >> > big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and
> >> > still be able to start the engine?
> >> > Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we
> >> > might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at the
> >> > end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
> >> How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the current
> >> KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at what revs
> >> driving how many kilos?
> >> Think !!!
> > With fuck all battery power - nowhere.
> > YFI
> The current KERS systems have sufficient battery power to provide 80HP > for 8 seconds so it is not an invalid question.
> 80hp would probably hold the pit lane speed limit long enough for he car > to coast to its box, getting out again would be a problem though.
What part of re-starting the engine and failure to harvest don't you understand ?
On Thursday, November 8, 2012 3:13:44 AM UTC+11, Alister wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:25:53 +0000, Noj wrote:
> > build wrote ...
> >> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:09:13 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
> >> > Bobster wrote ...
> >> > > http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104090 > >> > They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as
> >> > big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and
> >> > still be able to start the engine?
> >> > Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we
> >> > might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at the
> >> > end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
> >> How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the current
> >> KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at what revs
> >> driving how many kilos?
> >> Think !!!
> > With fuck all battery power - nowhere.
> > YFI
> The current KERS systems have sufficient battery power to provide 80HP > for 8 seconds so it is not an invalid question.
> 80hp would probably hold the pit lane speed limit long enough for he car > to coast to its box, getting out again would be a problem though.
The average car has less than 80HP and how does the average car which is heavier than an F1 car use all that horse power, under deceleration and braking? or under acceleration?
A simple change to the ECU and current cars could easily cope with motorless stops. Ask Dave.
Mind you I'm not yet convinced it was a good idea but hey ...
build wrote:
> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:09:13 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
> > Bobster wrote ...
> > > http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104090 > > They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as
> > big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and
> > still be able to start the engine?
> > Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we
> > might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at
> > the end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
> How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the
> current KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at
> what revs driving how many kilos?
> Think !!!
WTF have the revs got to do with it?
Think !!!
Does it matter how fast they can go or just that they can go as fast as
the PSL?
> > >> > They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as
> > >> > big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and
> > >> > still be able to start the engine?
> > >> > Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we
> > >> > might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at the
> > >> > end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
> > >> How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the current
> > >> KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at what revs
> > >> driving how many kilos?
> > >> Think !!!
> > > With fuck all battery power - nowhere.
> > > YFI
> > The current KERS systems have sufficient battery power to provide 80HP
> > for 8 seconds so it is not an invalid question.
> > 80hp would probably hold the pit lane speed limit long enough for he car
> > to coast to its box, getting out again would be a problem though.
> What part of re-starting the engine and failure to harvest don't you > understand ?
I think you need to rethink that. How much of the stored KERS would they use "CRUISING" into the pits. How fast would they be traveling (even with current power, if ECU allowed) when they reach the pit exit, it is a short trip with the full 80HP.
> > > They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as
> > > big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and
> > > still be able to start the engine?
> > > Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we
> > > might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at
> > > the end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
> > How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the
> > current KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at
> > what revs driving how many kilos?
> > Think !!!
> WTF have the revs got to do with it?
> Think !!!
> Does it matter how fast they can go or just that they can go as fast as
> the PSL?
> Think !!!
> Let's see how good you logic is.
> Drink !!!
(bugger it I'm not snipping crap)
Bird,
Stop, think !!!
How much power does an F1 car use entering the pits? initially it is slowing and charging ERS to full capacity The car is slowing then cruising, how much HP is required. Then it stops (which charges the ERS).
How much power was lost from the pit entry to the start of braking for the "box", how much power was gained during braking to stop in the box, quite a bit?
So even under current regs if a car comes into the pits with full (K)ERS and has an appropriate ECU then 80HP over 6 seconds will get that very light car out of the pits rather quickly.
I should point out the 2014 regs allow much more ERS than the current cars, my point is that it (pit stop) can be done even under current KERS regs with a modified ECU.
> > On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:09:13 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
> > > Bobster wrote ...
> > > > http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104090 > > > They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as
> > > big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and
> > > still be able to start the engine?
> > > Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we
> > > might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at
> > > the end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
> > How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the
> > current KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at
> > what revs driving how many kilos?
> > Think !!!
> WTF have the revs got to do with it?
> Think !!!
> Does it matter how fast they can go or just that they can go as fast as
> the PSL?
> Think !!!
> Let's see how good you logic is.
> Drink !!!
More of the usual shite from the drunk.
Currently KERS works for 8 seconds a lap and increases the cars speed by 15kph. The battery they use is designed to supply that demand. The new regs would have required the battery to run the car for up to 30 seconds at 60 kph and restart the engine.
Only a fuckwitted drunk would claim it would be possible to charge the battery for that usage in the last corner and entering the pits.
Increasing the amount of time/power that any future KERS systems is allowed would still require the batteries to be larger to cover any failure in harvesting the Track Kits.
On Thursday, November 8, 2012 4:47:15 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
> More of the usual shite from the drunk.
> Currently KERS works for 8 seconds a lap and increases the cars speed by > 15kph. The battery they use is designed to supply that demand. The new > regs would have required the battery to run the car for up to 30 seconds > at 60 kph and restart the engine.
> Only a fuckwitted drunk would claim it would be possible to charge the > battery for that usage in the last corner and entering the pits.
> Increasing the amount of time/power that any future KERS systems is > allowed would still require the batteries to be larger to cover any > failure in harvesting the Track Kits.
I have to laugh. I did my calcs on 6 secs and it just worked, with 8 secs it is a shoe in.
You seem to forget the entry is braking which charges ERS, however I am presuming full KERS at pit entry. The cruising, well you know when you cruise the foot comes off the throttle as that is kindergarten stuff but you know that. Then you violently brake which charges the ERS, so you have very close to full KERS when stopped.
80HP for 8 seconds to get you out of the pits. Is that enough?
build wrote:
> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 4:47:15 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
>> More of the usual shite from the drunk.
>> Currently KERS works for 8 seconds a lap and increases the cars speed by
>> 15kph. The battery they use is designed to supply that demand. The new
>> regs would have required the battery to run the car for up to 30 seconds
>> at 60 kph and restart the engine.
>> Only a fuckwitted drunk would claim it would be possible to charge the
>> battery for that usage in the last corner and entering the pits.
>> Increasing the amount of time/power that any future KERS systems is
>> allowed would still require the batteries to be larger to cover any
>> failure in harvesting the Track Kits.
> I have to laugh. I did my calcs
Post them, or its a whole load of liar routine again.
Bobster wrote:
> On Nov 7, 6:13 pm, Alister <alister.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:25:53 +0000, Noj wrote:
>>> build wrote ...
>>>> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:09:13 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
>>>>> Bobster wrote ...
>>>>>> http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104090 >>>>> They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery as
>>>>> big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds and
>>>>> still be able to start the engine?
>>>>> Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we
>>>>> might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at the
>>>>> end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
>>>> How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the current
>>>> KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at what revs
>>>> driving how many kilos?
>>>> Think !!!
>>> With fuck all battery power - nowhere.
>>> YFI
>> The current KERS systems have sufficient battery power to provide 80HP
>> for 8 seconds so it is not an invalid question.
>> 80hp would probably hold the pit lane speed limit long enough for he car
>> to coast to its box, getting out again would be a problem though.
> Not every car has KERS. And not all KERS systems work equally well.
> It also seems that some tracks are more "KERS friendly" than others.
Well, tough shit. Not all engines produce the same power.
build wrote:
> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 4:47:15 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
> > More of the usual shite from the drunk.
> > Currently KERS works for 8 seconds a lap and increases the cars
> > speed by 15kph. The battery they use is designed to supply that
> > demand. The new regs would have required the battery to run the
> > car for up to 30 seconds at 60 kph and restart the engine.
> > Only a fuckwitted drunk would claim it would be possible to charge
> > the battery for that usage in the last corner and entering the pits.
> > Increasing the amount of time/power that any future KERS systems is > > allowed would still require the batteries to be larger to cover any > > failure in harvesting the Track Kits.
> I have to laugh. I did my calcs on 6 secs and it just worked, with 8
> secs it is a shoe in.
Show your working. I'll show you why it's a pile of crap.
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:47:33 +0000, Noj wrote:
> Alister wrote ...
>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:25:53 +0000, Noj wrote:
>> > build wrote ...
>> >> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:09:13 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
>> >> > Bobster wrote ...
>> >> > > http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104090 >> >> > They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery
>> >> > as big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds
>> >> > and still be able to start the engine?
>> >> > Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we
>> >> > might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at
>> >> > the end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
>> >> How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the
>> >> current KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at
>> >> what revs driving how many kilos?
>> >> Think !!!
>> > With fuck all battery power - nowhere.
>> > YFI
>> The current KERS systems have sufficient battery power to provide 80HP
>> for 8 seconds so it is not an invalid question.
>> 80hp would probably hold the pit lane speed limit long enough for he
>> car to coast to its box, getting out again would be a problem though.
> What part of re-starting the engine and failure to harvest don't you
> understand ?
> At least one team isn't running KERS atm.
I think that is why I suggested "getting out again may be a problem though"
-- As I currently don't have a floppy drive in my computer, I'd like to
make an `emergency cdrom' ;)
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In article <MPG.2b04aeff2ff32701989...@news.shared-secrets.com>, Noj
<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>More of the usual shite from the drunk.
>Currently KERS works for 8 seconds a lap and increases the cars speed by >15kph. The battery they use is designed to supply that demand. The new >regs would have required the battery to run the car for up to 30 seconds >at 60 kph and restart the engine.
>Only a fuckwitted drunk would claim it would be possible to charge the >battery for that usage in the last corner and entering the pits.
>Increasing the amount of time/power that any future KERS systems is >allowed would still require the batteries to be larger to cover any >failure in harvesting the Track Kits.
hmm so strange that Audi have a piece of KERS kit made by some back street garagista outfit called Williams F1...that they used all year, won Le Mans with that has to power the car solely on KERS the entire length of the pitlane at 60kmh,with full set of lights, and can only harvest 500kjoules.[1]
it uses a flywheel tech which F1 doesnt like,and F1 only likes 400kJ for some reason,
but its clearly achievable technology thats been proven in one of the toughest motor races in the world,, Toyota have developed their own system as well based on a different approach and sure its complicated stuff off course but F1 isnt go-karting, its not meant to be basic stuff, they spend millions on tiny aerodynamic improvements to wings that need floviz paint to check out, which are totally meaningless to fans or applications to road cars or engines.
you cant see that Red Bull have made a technical gain by adding 2mm of carbon fibre on to a front wing.
and so what if the cars break more often, you learn more about technology and how to make it better that way.
the only reason that the "manufacturers" (proxies for the teams) dont want it, is because they know Williams have a head start on this, and that other teams are looking at it and the ones who havent dont want to lose the advantages they currently have with bendy wings or whatever tricks they are currently using.
[1] its only criticism has been it scares the hell out of people in the pitlane because it makes no noise and you cant hear the cars coming anymore
> In article <MPG.2b04aeff2ff32701989...@news.shared-secrets.com>, Noj > <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >More of the usual shite from the drunk.
> >Currently KERS works for 8 seconds a lap and increases the cars speed by > >15kph. The battery they use is designed to supply that demand. The new > >regs would have required the battery to run the car for up to 30 seconds > >at 60 kph and restart the engine.
> >Only a fuckwitted drunk would claim it would be possible to charge the > >battery for that usage in the last corner and entering the pits.
> >Increasing the amount of time/power that any future KERS systems is > >allowed would still require the batteries to be larger to cover any > >failure in harvesting the Track Kits.
> hmm so strange that Audi have a piece of KERS kit made by some back street > garagista outfit called Williams F1...that they used all year, won Le Mans > with that has to power the car solely on KERS the entire length of the pitlane > at 60kmh,with full set of lights, and can only harvest 500kjoules.[1]
> it uses a flywheel tech which F1 doesnt like,and F1 only likes 400kJ for some > reason,
Which weighs more than the current batteries used in F1 - which isn't a problem as Le Mans cars have a greater minimum weight (from what I can make of their rulz - something like 200Kg)
Le Mans cars don't harvest 500kj - that's the amount of energy they are allowed to release in the KERS zones. 100hp in 6 seconds.
> but its clearly achievable technology thats been proven in one of the > toughest motor races in the world,, Toyota have developed their own system as > well based on a different approach and sure its complicated stuff off course > but F1 isnt go-karting, its not meant to be basic stuff, they spend millions > on tiny aerodynamic improvements to wings that need floviz paint to check out, > which are totally meaningless to fans or applications to road cars or engines.
> you cant see that Red Bull have made a technical gain by adding 2mm of carbon > fibre on to a front wing.
> and so what if the cars break more often, you learn more about technology and > how to make it better that way.
> the only reason that the "manufacturers" (proxies for the teams) dont want it, > is because they know Williams have a head start on this, and that other teams > are looking at it and the ones who havent dont want to lose the advantages > they currently have with bendy wings or whatever tricks they are currently > using.
> [1] its only criticism has been it scares the hell out of people in the > pitlane because it makes no noise and you cant hear the cars coming anymore
Alister wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:47:33 +0000, Noj wrote:
>> Alister wrote ...
>>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:25:53 +0000, Noj wrote:
>>>> build wrote ...
>>>>> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:09:13 AM UTC+11, Noj wrote:
>>>>>> Bobster wrote ...
>>>>>>> http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104090 >>>>>> They finally realised it would be necessary to install a battery
>>>>>> as big as the fuel tank to enable the cars to run for 30 seconds
>>>>>> and still be able to start the engine?
>>>>>> Given the problems many cars have had 'harvesting' KERS power, we
>>>>>> might have been seeing cars running on bald tyres or parked up at
>>>>>> the end of the pit lane by the end of some GPs.
>>>>> How fast could the current cars go in pit lane using "only" the
>>>>> current KERS power? Lets see how good your math brain is. 80HP at
>>>>> what revs driving how many kilos?
>>>>> Think !!!
>>>> With fuck all battery power - nowhere.
>>>> YFI
>>> The current KERS systems have sufficient battery power to provide 80HP
>>> for 8 seconds so it is not an invalid question.
>>> 80hp would probably hold the pit lane speed limit long enough for he
>>> car to coast to its box, getting out again would be a problem though.
>> What part of re-starting the engine and failure to harvest don't you
>> understand ?
>> At least one team isn't running KERS atm.
> I think that is why I suggested "getting out again may be a problem
> though"
awa...@yahoo.com wrote:
> In article <MPG.2b04aeff2ff32701989...@news.shared-secrets.com>, Noj
> <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> More of the usual shite from the drunk.
>> Currently KERS works for 8 seconds a lap and increases the cars speed by
>> 15kph. The battery they use is designed to supply that demand. The new
>> regs would have required the battery to run the car for up to 30 seconds
>> at 60 kph and restart the engine.
>> Only a fuckwitted drunk would claim it would be possible to charge the
>> battery for that usage in the last corner and entering the pits.
>> Increasing the amount of time/power that any future KERS systems is
>> allowed would still require the batteries to be larger to cover any
>> failure in harvesting the Track Kits.
> hmm so strange that Audi have a piece of KERS kit made by some back street
> garagista outfit called Williams F1...that they used all year, won Le Mans
> with that has to power the car solely on KERS the entire length of the pitlane
> at 60kmh,with full set of lights, and can only harvest 500kjoules.[1]
> it uses a flywheel tech which F1 doesnt like,and F1 only likes 400kJ for some
> reason,
> but its clearly achievable technology thats been proven in one of the
> toughest motor races in the world,, Toyota have developed their own system as
> well based on a different approach and sure its complicated stuff off course
> but F1 isnt go-karting, its not meant to be basic stuff, they spend millions
> on tiny aerodynamic improvements to wings that need floviz paint to check out,
> which are totally meaningless to fans or applications to road cars or engines.
> you cant see that Red Bull have made a technical gain by adding 2mm of carbon
> fibre on to a front wing.
> and so what if the cars break more often, you learn more about technology and
> how to make it better that way.
> the only reason that the "manufacturers" (proxies for the teams) dont want it,
> is because they know Williams have a head start on this, and that other teams
> are looking at it and the ones who havent dont want to lose the advantages
> they currently have with bendy wings or whatever tricks they are currently
> using.
> [1] its only criticism has been it scares the hell out of people in the
> pitlane because it makes no noise and you cant hear the cars coming anymore
The sound thing is bullshit. If you can hear a Prius or what ever, you can hear an F1 car. Assuming one is not blind. Ferrari seem fine with KERS stuff, since they also use it in their road cars, well, one at least.
From what I can make out, its like the engine size thing: macho willy waving.
It would appear that many here are having problems vis-a-vis the potential of current KERS to get in and out of the pit lane. (As if that's going to happen. Not.)
Firstly, it certainly wouldn't take 6 or 8 seconds full deployment to get to the box. I think that about 5 horse power would suffice. (How many kw/hrs joules/sec would be needed to keep an F1 car at a constant 100kph for a couple of hundred metres? Nowhere near the amount needed to reduce its lap times.)
Leaving the box, on the other hand, there's a requirement to accelerate to the pit lane speed limit asap. Even given the low weight of an F1 car, I think that would gobble up the rest.
Leaving no power to start the engine.
Problem - even if the battery had sufficient power to enable in, out, start engine - is that KERS in its current incarnation is either on or off - like a scalextric controller. Not like a throttle pedal or a rheostat. Horridly unsophisticated.
#Just sayin.
-- Chris
'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.'
> In article <MPG.2b04aeff2ff32701989...@news.shared-secrets.com>, Noj
> <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> More of the usual shite from the drunk.
>> Currently KERS works for 8 seconds a lap and increases the cars speed by
>> 15kph. The battery they use is designed to supply that demand. The new
>> regs would have required the battery to run the car for up to 30 seconds
>> at 60 kph and restart the engine.
>> Only a fuckwitted drunk would claim it would be possible to charge the
>> battery for that usage in the last corner and entering the pits.
>> Increasing the amount of time/power that any future KERS systems is
>> allowed would still require the batteries to be larger to cover any
>> failure in harvesting the Track Kits.
> hmm so strange that Audi have a piece of KERS kit made by some back street
> garagista outfit called Williams F1...that they used all year, won Le Mans
> with that has to power the car solely on KERS the entire length of the pitlane
> at 60kmh,with full set of lights, and can only harvest 500kjoules.[1]
> it uses a flywheel tech which F1 doesnt like,and F1 only likes 400kJ for some
> reason,
> but its clearly achievable technology thats been proven in one of the
> toughest motor races in the world,, Toyota have developed their own system as
> well based on a different approach and sure its complicated stuff off course
> but F1 isnt go-karting, its not meant to be basic stuff, they spend millions
> on tiny aerodynamic improvements to wings that need floviz paint to check out,
> which are totally meaningless to fans or applications to road cars or engines.
> you cant see that Red Bull have made a technical gain by adding 2mm of carbon
> fibre on to a front wing.
> and so what if the cars break more often, you learn more about technology and
> how to make it better that way.
> the only reason that the "manufacturers" (proxies for the teams) don't want it,
> is because they know Williams have a head start on this, and that other teams
> are looking at it and the ones who haven't don't want to lose the advantages
> they currently have with bendy wings or whatever tricks they are currently
> using.
> [1] its only criticism has been it scares the hell out of people in the
> pit-lane because it makes no noise and you cant hear the cars coming anymore
Brilliant. I knew Williams system was good from the get go.
The rest of you buggers in this n.g., read this and learn?
-- Chris
'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.'
> On 07/11/2012 9:26 PM, awa...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> In article <MPG.2b04aeff2ff32701989...@news.shared-secrets.com>, Noj
>> <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> More of the usual shite from the drunk.
>>> Currently KERS works for 8 seconds a lap and increases the cars speed by
>>> 15kph. The battery they use is designed to supply that demand. The new
>>> regs would have required the battery to run the car for up to 30 seconds
>>> at 60 kph and restart the engine.
>>> Only a fuckwitted drunk would claim it would be possible to charge the
>>> battery for that usage in the last corner and entering the pits.
>>> Increasing the amount of time/power that any future KERS systems is
>>> allowed would still require the batteries to be larger to cover any
>>> failure in harvesting the Track Kits.
>> hmm so strange that Audi have a piece of KERS kit made by some back
>> street
>> garagista outfit called Williams F1...that they used all year, won Le
>> Mans
>> with that has to power the car solely on KERS the entire length of the
>> pitlane
>> at 60kmh,with full set of lights, and can only harvest 500kjoules.[1]
>> it uses a flywheel tech which F1 doesnt like,and F1 only likes 400kJ
>> for some
>> reason,
>> but its clearly achievable technology thats been proven in one of the
>> toughest motor races in the world,, Toyota have developed their own
>> system as
>> well based on a different approach and sure its complicated stuff off
>> course
>> but F1 isnt go-karting, its not meant to be basic stuff, they spend
>> millions
>> on tiny aerodynamic improvements to wings that need floviz paint to
>> check out,
>> which are totally meaningless to fans or applications to road cars or
>> engines.
>> you cant see that Red Bull have made a technical gain by adding 2mm of
>> carbon
>> fibre on to a front wing.
>> and so what if the cars break more often, you learn more about
>> technology and
>> how to make it better that way.
>> the only reason that the "manufacturers" (proxies for the teams) don't
>> want it,
>> is because they know Williams have a head start on this, and that
>> other teams
>> are looking at it and the ones who haven't don't want to lose the
>> advantages
>> they currently have with bendy wings or whatever tricks they are
>> currently
>> using.
>> [1] its only criticism has been it scares the hell out of people in the
>> pit-lane because it makes no noise and you cant hear the cars coming
>> anymore
> Brilliant. I knew Williams system was good from the get go.
> The rest of you buggers in this n.g., read this and learn?
And don't go on about 400 vs 500 or whatever or about battery weights. Semantics. Regs are variable, no?
-- Chris
'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.'
