Re: Brwn bollocks
News
> "Ross Brawn has admitted disappointment with Jenson Button's decision to
> switch to the McLaren Mercedes Formula One team, but insists the move
> has nothing to do with money.
> Button, the 2009 World Champion after sticking with the Brawn team in
> the wake of Honda's withdrawal, will be Lewis Hamilton's McLaren team-
> mate next year.
> The Briton's Brawn/Mercedes talks were rumoured to have failed due to
> disagreements about his 2010 salary.
> "His decision is disappointing because we worked so well together," team
> boss Ross Brawn told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport.
> "But whatever is said, it was not about the money. In the end our offer
> was even more attractive than McLaren's."
> "But it doesn't make sense to employ a driver who would not be happy and
> sees a bigger challenge somewhere else. Further negotiations would have
> been pointless."
> "Jenson obviously wanted to be in the same car against Lewis Hamilton.
> That's brave and I have to respect it," added Brawn."
>
>
>
> If Brawn wanted Button so much, why did he sign up Rosberg months before
> beginning negiations with Button?
>
>
>
Revisionist PR.
Paul-B
> "Ross Brawn has admitted disappointment with Jenson Button's decision
> to switch to the McLaren Mercedes Formula One team, but insists the
> move has nothing to do with money.
> Button, the 2009 World Champion after sticking with the Brawn team in
> the wake of Honda's withdrawal, will be Lewis Hamilton's McLaren team-
> mate next year.
> The Briton's Brawn/Mercedes talks were rumoured to have failed due to
> disagreements about his 2010 salary.
> "His decision is disappointing because we worked so well together,"
> team boss Ross Brawn told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport.
> "But whatever is said, it was not about the money. In the end our
> offer was even more attractive than McLaren's."
> "But it doesn't make sense to employ a driver who would not be happy
> and sees a bigger challenge somewhere else. Further negotiations
> would have been pointless."
> "Jenson obviously wanted to be in the same car against Lewis
> Hamilton. That's brave and I have to respect it," added Brawn."
Both Jense and Ross have said it's not about the money. That said, it's
a bit of a slight to a DWC not to value him enough to give him a 3-year
contract.
> If Brawn wanted Button so much, why did he sign up Rosberg months
> before beginning negiations with Button?
I would imagine because he was looking for a replacement for Rubens,
and Rosberg would be the token German to please Mercedes. I can't see
that the signing of Rosberg would have any impact on Jenson's decision
to stay or to leave, in the Brawn this year I believe Jense would have
trounced Rosberg, and I'm sure he knew it.
--
Paul-B
AC
"Noj" <m...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.2583149e9...@news.astraweb.com...
> "Ross Brawn has admitted disappointment with Jenson Button's decision to
> switch to the McLaren Mercedes Formula One team, but insists the move
> has nothing to do with money.
> Button, the 2009 World Champion after sticking with the Brawn team in
> the wake of Honda's withdrawal, will be Lewis Hamilton's McLaren team-
> mate next year.
> The Briton's Brawn/Mercedes talks were rumoured to have failed due to
> disagreements about his 2010 salary.
> "His decision is disappointing because we worked so well together," team
> boss Ross Brawn told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport.
> "But whatever is said, it was not about the money. In the end our offer
> was even more attractive than McLaren's."
> "But it doesn't make sense to employ a driver who would not be happy and
> sees a bigger challenge somewhere else. Further negotiations would have
> been pointless."
> "Jenson obviously wanted to be in the same car against Lewis Hamilton.
> That's brave and I have to respect it," added Brawn."
>
Why is this Brawn bollocks? Sounds like he is complementing Button. All
sounds fair enough to me, it fits "known facts" and even some rumors.
>
>
> If Brawn wanted Button so much, why did he sign up Rosberg months before
> beginning negiations with Button?
Really? Are you really asking that?
AC
larkim
You do wonder whether you're reading the same article as Noj
sometimes, don't you.
I think RB has put it quite clearly - JB wanted to race LH in the same
car. And if JB was superior to Rubens in the same way that MS was
superior to Rubens (admittedly, not by the same margin) why shouldn't
JB think he can challenge Lewis. As Ross says, brave man for trying!
Matt
AC
"larkim" <matthew...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:70bbf123-96ec-4a15...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
Well, yeah. The question doesnt seem related to the article. Ho hum.
>
>I think RB has put it quite clearly - JB wanted to race LH in the same
>car. And if JB was superior to Rubens in the same way that MS was
>superior to Rubens (admittedly, not by the same margin) why shouldn't
>JB think he can challenge Lewis. As Ross says, brave man for trying!
>
>Matt
Well, I actually don't think that's true, but what all parties are saying
sounds like the perfect all agreed cover story.
I my *guess* is that:
Button wanted a 3+ year deal.
Merc bought Brawn, and have a long term goal of securing Vettel, and signed
Rosberg.
Brawn/Merc offered him good money for 1 year. IIRC, �8m. Leaving 2011
possible for Vettel.
McLaren offered him IIRC �18m for 3 years
Button took the security of a 3 year deal within a top team. I think at
Buttons age, having won an unexpected WDC, which he must have long given up
on, he values security.
So, Brawn can say they offered "more money" leaving out the contract length,
and still be nice about Button. Button can sound big and brave taking on
Hamilton in his own back yard, while securing 3 years.
Every one seems happy with the deal, while poor old Brawn keeps getting
asked about it, and can't give the straight answer for fear of pissing off
Vettel and his people, Red Bull, and generally showing bad form. Brawns
constant answers are fair enough and amicable. Frankly its nice to see a
none controversial deal.
Given all that, Button should feel a huge sense of freedom (he has won a WDC
out of the blue, has his retirement plan in place if he needs it after 3
years), and might well give Lewis a run for his money, once he gets "at one"
with the car. The reaction in Brazil, IMHO, was possibly a big turning point
for him.
AC
Bob Dubery
> If Brawn wanted Button so much, why did he sign up Rosberg months before
> beginning negiations with Button?
Maybe he wanted Rosberg and Button? Simple arithmetic tells us that
signing Rosberg left a seat open.
Brawn had a problem with attracting sponsorship - despite their
startling success. Signing Rosberg was a good deal because he
understand the corporate game well, puts in the time and appearances
that the sponsors want. F1 is a business as well as a sport, so
drivers are signed for their marketability as well as their skills
behind the wheel.
Button, by his own admission, was not interested in negotiating with
anybody until the WDC was settled. So it may have been that Brawn had
a need to start setting up a team for next year and had a lead driver
that wasn't willing to enter into negotiations at the time. Should he
have waited, or should he have got going as best he could?
Bob Dubery
> Paul-B wrote...
> have expected to be No1 at Brawn/Mercedes.
You believe that. Is there anything to support that or is it just what
you personally have concluded?
> It appears he will be.
How so? He doesn't even know who his teammate will be. It seems that
Brawn and Merc don't know yet who his teammate will be. Have their
been reports that Rosberg has insisted on or been given some kind of
promise of number 1 status?
build
> Bob Dubery wrote...
>
> > On Dec 4, 2:44 pm, Noj <m...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
> > > If Brawn wanted Button so much, why did he sign up Rosberg months before
> > > beginning negiations with Button?
>
> > Maybe he wanted Rosberg and Button? Simple arithmetic tells us that
> > signing Rosberg left a seat open.
>
> > Brawn had a problem with attracting sponsorship - despite their
> > startling success. Signing Rosberg was a good deal because he
> > understand the corporate game well, puts in the time and appearances
> > that the sponsors want. F1 is a business as well as a sport, so
> > drivers are signed for their marketability as well as their skills
> > behind the wheel.
>
All the drivers are corporate conscious but not all incl KR and MW
like the corporate game.
beers,
build
Bob Dubery
> Bob Dubery wrote...
> > > Rosberg was the No1 driver in a points scoring team. I believe he will
> > > have expected to be No1 at Brawn/Mercedes.
> > You believe that. Is there anything to support that or is it just what
> > you personally have concluded?
>
> What part of "I believe" means I have to convince you or others?
Well you constructed your whole argument on it, so I wanted to be
sure. You might have read a report in one of the newspapers or
something.
Bob Dubery
>
> > > If Brawn wanted Button so much, why did he sign up Rosberg months before
> > > beginning negiations with Button?
>
> > Maybe he wanted Rosberg and Button? Simple arithmetic tells us that
> > signing Rosberg left a seat open.
>
> > Brawn had a problem with attracting sponsorship - despite their
> > startling success. Signing Rosberg was a good deal because he
> > understand the corporate game well, puts in the time and appearances
> > that the sponsors want. F1 is a business as well as a sport, so
> > drivers are signed for their marketability as well as their skills
> > behind the wheel.
>
>
> > anybody until the WDC was settled.
>
Well it was reported at the time. But since you must have missed it
http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18227&Itemid=219
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/21/2719590.htm
http://tinyurl.com/yh5u6gn
>
> > So it may have been that Brawn had
> > a need to start setting up a team for next year and had a lead driver
> > that wasn't willing to enter into negotiations at the time. Should he
> > have waited, or should he have got going as best he could?
>
I'm suggesting that maybe Brawn had to start getting his ducks in a
row and Button's decision to not negotiate until the championship was
settled meant that he cast his net a bit wider.
I think it's got at least a as good a chance of being true as your
assertion that by signing one driver Brawn forced Button out of a two
car team.
AC
larkim wrote...
>Brawn is rewriting history - well after the event.
No, he has been saying that from the beginning.
>Look at what has
>happened - not what you think happened. If Brawn wanted to keep Jenson
>- the contract would have been buttoned up before the end of the season.
Rubbish. If you honestly think its that simple, with everything I hope you
know about F1, sport and sports contracts, you have lost the plot.
AC
Bob Dubery
> It's takes 2 to dance, so why didn't Brawn get into discussions with
> Button, despite signing Rosberg.
Because it takes 2 to dance? They can't negotiate with a driver who
doesn't want to negotiate. And remember, it's not the case Button
wasn't negotiating with Brawn, he wasn't negotiating with anybody at
all.
>
> > > > So it may have been that Brawn had
> > > > a need to start setting up a team for next year and had a lead driver
> > > > that wasn't willing to enter into negotiations at the time. Should he
> > > > have waited, or should he have got going as best he could?
>
> > > Now you're taking a guess at Brawns thinking.
> > I'm suggesting that maybe Brawn had to start getting his ducks in a
> > row and Button's decision to not negotiate until the championship was
> > settled meant that he cast his net a bit wider.
>
> > I think it's got at least a as good a chance of being true as your
> > assertion that by signing one driver Brawn forced Button out of a two
> > car team.
>
> How stupid of me. I've never heard of such a thing. And neither has
> Kimi.
Different situation. Ferrari ended up with a 3 into 2 situation and so
something had to give - as it had to in 2006. There was a clause in
Kimi's contract whereby they could buy him out. The case with Brawn is
different, they didn't have anybody contracted for 2010 and signing
Rosberg still left a seat open for Button.
>
> Oh and stick this in your diary. Massa* will be out of Ferrari next
> year, replaced by Kubica.
>
> * Even if he's unaffected by the accident.
At the beginning or the end of the year?
Bob Dubery
> Noj wrote:
> > "Ross Brawn has admitted disappointment with Jenson Button's decision
> > to switch to the McLaren Mercedes Formula One team, but insists the
> > move has nothing to do with money.
> > Button, the 2009 World Champion after sticking with the Brawn team in
> > the wake of Honda's withdrawal, will be Lewis Hamilton's McLaren team-
> > mate next year.
> > The Briton's Brawn/Mercedes talks were rumoured to have failed due to
> > disagreements about his 2010 salary.
> > "His decision is disappointing because we worked so well together,"
> > team boss Ross Brawn told Germany's Auto Motor und Sport.
> > "But whatever is said, it was not about the money. In the end our
> > offer was even more attractive than McLaren's."
> > "But it doesn't make sense to employ a driver who would not be happy
> > and sees a bigger challenge somewhere else. Further negotiations
> > would have been pointless."
> > "Jenson obviously wanted to be in the same car against Lewis
> > Hamilton. That's brave and I have to respect it," added Brawn."
>
> Both Jense and Ross have said it's not about the money. That said, it's
> a bit of a slight to a DWC not to value him enough to give him a 3-year
> contract.
Villeneuve only drove for Williams for another year after securing the
championship. He was initially on a 2 year deal, and won the WDC in
the second year. However it may be that with the plans for the BAR
team he only wanted another year anyway.
Damon Hill, of course, didn't get an offer at all. Mansell was offered
a deal not to his liking, then a better deal was offered but he'd
already signed to drive for Newman-Haas in CART. A three year
extension though?
Senna won the WDC in 1991 - his third championship in 4 seasons for
McLaren. Come end of 1992 he didn't have a contract with them. A deal
was eventually done at some point 1993, but he'd been signing single-
race contracts for a while.
So I don't think it's unprecedented.
Niki Lauda, Nelson Piquet, Alain Prost all won the WDC and then moved
to another team.
WebSlave
> Niki Lauda, Nelson Piquet, Alain Prost all won the WDC and then moved
> to another team.
And Michael Schumacher and Fernando Alonso as well, of course.
-Webs-
Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro
> Noj wrote:
> > "Ross Brawn has admitted disappointment with Jenson Button's decision to
> > switch to the McLaren Mercedes Formula One team, but insists the move
> > has nothing to do with money.
> > "But whatever is said, it was not about the money. In the end our offer
> > was even more attractive than McLaren's."
Not everyone agrees. The Portuguese Autosport wrote that, although the
base salary is the same or slightly lower, Jenson Button will earn 100K
per point instead of 50K. So he doesn't need many points to get ahead.
And in their opinion money is the real reason why Jenson went to McLaren.
And of course, McLaren hired him for 3 seasons. If he looking at it as
a kind of pre-retirement the length of the contract is important. Even
if it is terminated early that will make a difference in the severance pay.
Brawn and Fry seem quite upset at Jenson. I suspect Mercedes gave
them a bollocking because of their failure to keep him. IIRC, it has
been reported that now Mercedes has decided to be more involved in the
negotiations with the other driver.
> > "But it doesn't make sense to employ a driver who would not be happy and
> > sees a bigger challenge somewhere else. Further negotiations would have
> > been pointless."
Translation: don't blame us.
> > "Jenson obviously wanted to be in the same car against Lewis Hamilton.
> > That's brave and I have to respect it," added Brawn."
Brave in the same sense that Sir Humphrey used to call his minister's
decisions "courageous" ? Is anyone expecting Jenson to do well in a
car designed for Hamilton (yes, I have read the Paddy Lowe denial)
in a team build around Hamilton and with the Hamiltons manipulating
the press ?
Which odds are the bookers giving on Button beating Hamilton ?
If McLaren wanted to have two competitive drivers Kimi would make
more sense. Since he was at McLaren previously he might have
been able to survive politically and I don't think he would be
affected by the press. Of course, his motivation might be a bit
questionable (OTOH, he now has something to prove to Ferrari).
Anyway, I'm looking forward to see in Algarve's rally next March :)
> > If Brawn wanted Button so much,
They should have pressured him to sign before the end of the championship.
And asked Mercedes to pay part of Jenson's salary so they could offer enough
money to convince him.
> > why did he sign up Rosberg months before
> > beginning negiations with Button?
Because they had decided to let Barrichello go.
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News
"Revisionist PR."
APLer
news:hfrm4t$7ga$1...@aioe.org:
> News <Ne...@groups.name> wrote:
>> Noj wrote:
> Brave in the same sense that Sir Humphrey used to call his minister's
> decisions "courageous" ? Is anyone expecting Jenson to do well in a
> car designed for Hamilton (yes, I have read the Paddy Lowe denial)
> in a team build around Hamilton and with the Hamiltons manipulating
> the press ?
>
Considering that he's never driven in a top team, (meaning red or silver)
but *has* appeared on the podium, and apparently drives better than Fisi
or Ralf did, that's quite an assumption.
Well *someones* got to do it. Preferably with painful rusty implements.
> Which odds are the bookers giving on Button beating Hamilton ?
>
> If McLaren wanted to have two competitive drivers Kimi would make
> more sense. Since he was at McLaren previously he might have
> been able to survive politically and I don't think he would be
> affected by the press. Of course, his motivation might be a bit
> questionable (OTOH, he now has something to prove to Ferrari).
>
Is questionable without a doubt. Changing from Ferrari *might* change
that, but I have my doubts. I think he's fed up with the circus.
> Anyway, I'm looking forward to see in Algarve's rally next March :)
>
>> > If Brawn wanted Button so much,
>
> They should have pressured him to sign before the end of the
> championship. And asked Mercedes to pay part of Jenson's salary so
> they could offer enough money to convince him.
>
>> > why did he sign up Rosberg months before
>> > beginning negiations with Button?
>
> Because they had decided to let Barrichello go.
>
I recently saw a rebroadcast (on SPEED not less <gasp>) of the first
race and that start is sure indicative of the season and Rubens I'm
afraid: the colours change and Rubens the only one that doesn't move.
Nice guy to be sure, but just doesn't have the concentration for the top
end.
CatharticF1
> News <Ne...@groups.name> wrote:
>> Noj wrote:
>> > "Ross Brawn has admitted disappointment with Jenson Button's
>> > decision to switch to the McLaren Mercedes Formula One team, but
>> > insists the move has nothing to do with money.
>
>> > "But whatever is said, it was not about the money. In the end our
>> > offer was even more attractive than McLaren's."
>
> Not everyone agrees. The Portuguese Autosport wrote that, although the
> base salary is the same or slightly lower, Jenson Button will earn
> 100K per point instead of 50K. So he doesn't need many points to get
> ahead.
>
> And in their opinion money is the real reason why Jenson went to
> McLaren.
>
> And of course, McLaren hired him for 3 seasons. If he looking at it as
> a kind of pre-retirement the length of the contract is important. Even
> if it is terminated early that will make a difference in the severance
> pay.
>
>
> Brawn and Fry seem quite upset at Jenson. I suspect Mercedes gave
> them a bollocking because of their failure to keep him. IIRC, it has
> been reported that now Mercedes has decided to be more involved in the
> negotiations with the other driver.
Well the BIG loss was in not having the #1 on their cars. I imagine
someone somewhere has worked out exactly how much that is worth.
>> > "But it doesn't make sense to employ a driver who would not be
>> > happy and sees a bigger challenge somewhere else. Further
>> > negotiations would have been pointless."
>
> Translation: don't blame us.
>
>> > "Jenson obviously wanted to be in the same car against Lewis
>> > Hamilton. That's brave and I have to respect it," added Brawn."
>
> Brave in the same sense that Sir Humphrey used to call his minister's
> decisions "courageous" ? Is anyone expecting Jenson to do well in a
> car designed for Hamilton (yes, I have read the Paddy Lowe denial)
> in a team build around Hamilton and with the Hamiltons manipulating
> the press ?
I can't wait to see how the Britpack interpret this and compare it with
Alonso's time there.
> Which odds are the bookers giving on Button beating Hamilton ?
>
> If McLaren wanted to have two competitive drivers Kimi would make
> more sense. Since he was at McLaren previously he might have
> been able to survive politically and I don't think he would be
> affected by the press. Of course, his motivation might be a bit
> questionable (OTOH, he now has something to prove to Ferrari).
If one were to attribute any pull to the Hamilton camp it would have been
for Jenson not Kimi. So it was no surprise to see how it turned out.
> Anyway, I'm looking forward to see in Algarve's rally next March :)
Yes! Kimi in full flight when he gets used to a rally car will be
awesome!
>> > If Brawn wanted Button so much,
>
> They should have pressured him to sign before the end of the
> championship. And asked Mercedes to pay part of Jenson's salary so
> they could offer enough money to convince him.
I think they overplayed their hand and were caught out, yeah. Because
realistically who would have expected McLaren to pick Jenson over Kimi
(knowing his record there). They didn't factor in the A/P :)
--
CatharticF1
"What you thought was freedom is just greed."
CatharticF1
>> Because they had decided to let Barrichello go.
>>
> I recently saw a rebroadcast (on SPEED not less <gasp>) of the first
> race and that start is sure indicative of the season and Rubens I'm
> afraid: the colours change and Rubens the only one that doesn't move.
> Nice guy to be sure, but just doesn't have the concentration for the top
> end.
Not sure that's fair, he had the reliability issues and at that race the
anti stall kicked in at the start.
Frank Adam
wrote:
>APLer <AP...@floor.tilde> wrote in news:Xns9CDDA84...@127.0.0.1:
>
>
>>> Because they had decided to let Barrichello go.
>>>
>> I recently saw a rebroadcast (on SPEED not less <gasp>) of the first
>> race and that start is sure indicative of the season and Rubens I'm
>> afraid: the colours change and Rubens the only one that doesn't move.
>> Nice guy to be sure, but just doesn't have the concentration for the top
>> end.
>
>Not sure that's fair, he had the reliability issues and at that race the
>anti stall kicked in at the start.
>
That would be because he set the clutch wrong. Unless that's the
engineers job ?
--
Regards, Frank
build
> On 11 Dec 2009 12:13:24 +1100, CatharticF1 <rasf1pos...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >APLer <AP...@floor.tilde> wrote innews:Xns9CDDA84...@127.0.0.1:
>
> >>> Because they had decided to let Barrichello go.
>
> >> I recently saw a rebroadcast (on SPEED not less <gasp>) of the first
> >> race and that start is sure indicative of the season and Rubens I'm
> >> afraid: the colours change and Rubens the only one that doesn't move.
> >> Nice guy to be sure, but just doesn't have the concentration for the top
> >> end.
>
> >Not sure that's fair, he had the reliability issues and at that race the
> >anti stall kicked in at the start.
>
> That would be because he set the clutch wrong. Unless that's the
> engineers job ?
>
> --
>
> Regards, Frank
you answered your own question. Melb was not a driver fault.
Bigbird
> APLer <AP...@floor.tilde> wrote in
> news:Xns9CDDA84...@127.0.0.1:
>
>
> >> Because they had decided to let Barrichello go.
> >>
> > I recently saw a rebroadcast (on SPEED not less <gasp>) of the first
> > race and that start is sure indicative of the season and Rubens I'm
> > afraid: the colours change and Rubens the only one that doesn't
> > move. Nice guy to be sure, but just doesn't have the concentration
> > for the top end.
>
> Not sure that's fair, he had the reliability issues and at that race
> the anti stall kicked in at the start.
His attempt to recover was telling.
--
Bigbird
#
You'll be laughing when I'm dead!
Sir Tim
wrote:
>APLer <AP...@floor.tilde> wrote in news:Xns9CDDA84...@127.0.0.1:
>
>
>>> Because they had decided to let Barrichello go.
>>>
>> I recently saw a rebroadcast (on SPEED not less <gasp>) of the first
>> race and that start is sure indicative of the season and Rubens I'm
>> afraid: the colours change and Rubens the only one that doesn't move.
>> Nice guy to be sure, but just doesn't have the concentration for the top
>> end.
>
>Not sure that's fair, he had the reliability issues and at that race the
>anti stall kicked in at the start.
I definitely think it unfair.
OTOH I can cert ainly understand the team not wanting to renew the
contract of an ageing driver who has a habit of slagging it off in
public before he has even ascertained the facts.
--
Henry Birkin Bt.
Sir Tim
wrote:
>>> > If Brawn wanted Button so much,
>>
>> They should have pressured him to sign before the end of the
>> championship. And asked Mercedes to pay part of Jenson's salary so
>> they could offer enough money to convince him.
>
>I think they overplayed their hand and were caught out, yeah. Because
>realistically who would have expected McLaren to pick Jenson over Kimi
>(knowing his record there). They didn't factor in the A/P :)
I think you overestimate the pull that the "AP" has at McLaren ;)
It has been said that Kimi was not universally popular at McLaren and
whilst I think it unfair to say, as many do, that he has lost
motivation I suspect that Kimi himself might have seen a return to
Woking as a retrograde step.
I'm personally sorry not to see him back there but I think that the
contrasting styles of JB and LH will make for a more interesting
season. Also of course the media (at least in Britain) is likely to
have a field day with two personable Brits in a top team together.
--
Henry Birkin Bt.
Bigbird
Ferrari are reportedly paying Kimi an awful lot of money not to race.
I'm not sure even the suggestion that McLaren picked Jensen over Kimi
has any more merit than any other of Brendas anti-McLaren, anti-English
nonsense.
CatharticF1
news:f3d4i5tvkj53m4v1n...@4ax.com:
> On 11 Dec 2009 12:08:43 +1100, CatharticF1 <rasf1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> > If Brawn wanted Button so much,
>>>
>>> They should have pressured him to sign before the end of the
>>> championship. And asked Mercedes to pay part of Jenson's salary so
>>> they could offer enough money to convince him.
>>
>>I think they overplayed their hand and were caught out, yeah. Because
>>realistically who would have expected McLaren to pick Jenson over Kimi
>>(knowing his record there). They didn't factor in the A/P :)
>
> I think you overestimate the pull that the "AP" has at McLaren ;)
Oh yeah - that was hyperbole.
First time for me though.. :)
> It has been said that Kimi was not universally popular at McLaren and
> whilst I think it unfair to say, as many do, that he has lost
> motivation I suspect that Kimi himself might have seen a return to
> Woking as a retrograde step.
> I'm personally sorry not to see him back there but I think that the
> contrasting styles of JB and LH will make for a more interesting
> season. Also of course the media (at least in Britain) is likely to
> have a field day with two personable Brits in a top team together.
It will be interesting and any political infighting will be viewed more
even handedly from an external point of view with two Brits in the seats.