2010 entry list

Mark Jackson

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Nov 30, 2009, 8:10:15 PM11/30/09

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The "official" entry list has been posted by the FIA (on the deadline
set by their 2010 sporting regulations):

No Driver Entrant Constructor
1 Jenson BUTTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
2 Lewis HAMILTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES

3 Nico ROSBERG (D) BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM BRAWN MERCEDES
4 TBA BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM BRAWN MERCEDES

5 Sebastian VETTEL (D) RED BULL RACING RED BULL RENAULT
6 Mark WEBBER (AUS) RED BULL RACING RED BULL RENAULT

7 Felipe MASSA (BR) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO FERRARI
8 Fernando ALONSO (E) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO FERRARI

9 Rubens BARRICHELLO (BR) AT&T WILLIAMS WILLIAMS COSWORTH
10 Nico HULKENBERG (D) AT&T WILLIAMS WILLIAMS COSWORTH

11 Robert KUBICA (PL) RENAULT F1 TEAM RENAULT
12 TBA RENAULT F1 TEAM RENAULT

14 Adrian SUTIL (D) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM FORCE INDIA MERCEDES
15 Vitantonio LIUZZI (I) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM FORCE INDIA MERCEDES

16 Sebastien BUEMI (CH) SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO STR FERRARI
17 TBA SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO STR FERRARI

18 TBA LOTUS F1 RACING LOTUS COSWORTH
19 TBA LOTUS F1 RACING LOTUS COSWORTH

20 TBA CAMPOS META 1 CAMPOS DALLARA
21 Bruno SENNA (BR) CAMPOS META 1 CAMPOS DALLARA

22 TBA US F1 TEAM US F1 COSWORTH
23 TBA US F1 TEAM US F1 COSWORTH

24 Timo GLOCK (D) VIRGIN RACING VIRGIN COSWORTH
25 TBA VIRGIN RACING VIRGIN COSWORTH

No major surprises. Minor surprises:

- While Manor's expected renaming to Virgin Racing has taken place,
Brawn's to Mercedes Grand Prix is relegated to a footnote saying
they've indicated their "intention" to do so.

- Neither Toyota nor [BMW] Sauber is listed. Another footnote:
"Toyota Motorsport GmbH remains formally bound by the Concorde
Agreement to put forward a team for participation, though it has
indicated that it will not be in a position to do so. "An
announcement will be made regarding this entry in due course."
Whoever ends up running in the 13th slot will evidently be
assigned numbers 26 and 27; wonder if Bernie will put them at
the end of the pit lane.

Non-surprises:

- Drivers listed.
- Confirmation of Renault power for Red Bull. Really, what other
possibility was there?

Likely red herring:

- The "Constructor" for entrant Campos Meta 1 reflects the folks
actually building the car ("Campos Dallara"); the omission of
mention of an engine is almost certainly an oversight.

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Jaimie Vandenbergh

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Dec 1, 2009, 6:15:26 AM12/1/09

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On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:10:15 +0000, Mark Jackson
<mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

>The "official" entry list has been posted by the FIA (on the deadline
>set by their 2010 sporting regulations):

Thanks for that. A lot more change than we've seen in the lineup for
many years - who says an economic downturn is a bad thing?

>No Driver Entrant Constructor
>1 Jenson BUTTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
>2 Lewis HAMILTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES

Idle question - I wonder how many seasons have had a team where both
drivers have been world champions...

Cheers - Jaimie
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Paul-B

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Dec 1, 2009, 10:35:09 AM12/1/09

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Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

Heh. Discussed at length here a few weeks ago, Brian came up with the
stats, I believe.

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Brian Lawrence

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Dec 1, 2009, 10:35:27 AM12/1/09

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"Jaimie Vandenbergh" <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:10:15 +0000, Mark Jackson
> <mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>
>>The "official" entry list has been posted by the FIA (on the deadline
>>set by their 2010 sporting regulations):
>
> Thanks for that. A lot more change than we've seen in the lineup for
> many years - who says an economic downturn is a bad thing?
>
>>No Driver Entrant Constructor
>>1 Jenson BUTTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
>>2 Lewis HAMILTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
>
> Idle question - I wonder how many seasons have had a team where both
> drivers have been world champions...

Two former WDCs in same team

1953-54 Ferrari G Farina (50) & A Ascari (52, 53)
1967-68 Lotus G Hill (62) & J Clark (63 & 65)
1974 McLaren D Hulme (67) & E Fittipaldi (72)
1986 McLaren K Rosberg (82) & A Prost (85)
1989 McLaren A Prost (85-86) & A Senna (88)

Jim Clark was killed in 1968 after competing alongside Hill in the first GP.

A related trivia item.

Former WDC driving #2 (since early in 1973)

1986 McLaren K Rosberg [A Prost #1]
1989 McLaren A Prost [A Senna #1]
1993 Williams A Prost [D Hill #0]
1994 Williams A Senna [D Hill #0]
1994 Williams N Mansell [D Hill #0]

Before 1973 the numbers were not fixed. In 1994 neither Senna nor Mansell drove
in many races. Lewis Hamilton will drive #2 in 2010.

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Jaimie Vandenbergh

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Dec 1, 2009, 10:50:11 AM12/1/09

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On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:35:27 +0000, "Brian Lawrence"
<Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote:
>"Jaimie Vandenbergh" <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:10:15 +0000, Mark Jackson
>> <mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>1 Jenson BUTTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
>>>2 Lewis HAMILTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
>>
>> Idle question - I wonder how many seasons have had a team where both
>> drivers have been world champions...
>
>Two former WDCs in same team
>
> 1953-54 Ferrari G Farina (50) & A Ascari (52, 53)
>1967-68 Lotus G Hill (62) & J Clark (63 & 65)
>1974 McLaren D Hulme (67) & E Fittipaldi (72)
>1986 McLaren K Rosberg (82) & A Prost (85)
>1989 McLaren A Prost (85-86) & A Senna (88)
>
>Jim Clark was killed in 1968 after competing alongside Hill in the first GP.

Thanks - I should have remembered Prost and Senna, at least. Rosberg
was before I started paying attention.

I'm glad you'd already worked this out a while back, Brian - I'd hate
to have put you through the trouble!

Cheers - Jaimie
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Ian Hill

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Dec 1, 2009, 6:50:11 PM12/1/09

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"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Two former WDCs in same team
>
> 1953-54 Ferrari G Farina (50) & A Ascari (52, 53)
> 1967-68 Lotus G Hill (62) & J Clark (63 & 65)
> 1974 McLaren D Hulme (67) & E Fittipaldi (72)
> 1986 McLaren K Rosberg (82) & A Prost (85)
> 1989 McLaren A Prost (85-86) & A Senna (88)
>
> Jim Clark was killed in 1968 after competing alongside Hill in the first
> GP.

Interesting then that 2010 will be the first time that the two most recent
champions are in the same team :-)

ian

Mark Jackson

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Dec 1, 2009, 8:10:10 PM12/1/09

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Ian Hill wrote:
> "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:7nkr86F...@mid.individual.net...
>> Two former WDCs in same team
>>
>> 1953-54 Ferrari G Farina (50) & A Ascari (52, 53)
>> 1967-68 Lotus G Hill (62) & J Clark (63 & 65)
>> 1974 McLaren D Hulme (67) & E Fittipaldi (72)
>> 1986 McLaren K Rosberg (82) & A Prost (85)
>> 1989 McLaren A Prost (85-86) & A Senna (88)

> Interesting then that 2010 will be the first time that the two most recent

> champions are in the same team :-)

Nah, that's happened a lot - 2007, for example (Alonso and Alonso :-).

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Ian Hill

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Dec 2, 2009, 1:25:09 PM12/2/09

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"Mark Jackson" <mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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> Ian Hill wrote:
>> "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:7nkr86F...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Two former WDCs in same team
>>>
>>> 1953-54 Ferrari G Farina (50) & A Ascari (52, 53)
>>> 1967-68 Lotus G Hill (62) & J Clark (63 & 65)
>>> 1974 McLaren D Hulme (67) & E Fittipaldi (72)
>>> 1986 McLaren K Rosberg (82) & A Prost (85)
>>> 1989 McLaren A Prost (85-86) & A Senna (88)
>
>> Interesting then that 2010 will be the first time that the two most
>> recent champions are in the same team :-)
>
> Nah, that's happened a lot - 2007, for example (Alonso and Alonso :-).

LOL... nice. In that case were there 7 former world champions driving for
Ferrari in '06? 8)

ian

mower man

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Dec 2, 2009, 4:40:09 PM12/2/09

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McLaren are experienced at running two WDCs together. Perhaps the
Prost/Senna combination was the best - we'll see what 2010 brings.

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Dillon Pyron

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Dec 4, 2009, 8:10:14 PM12/4/09

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[Default] Thus spake "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_...@msn.com>:

a) I know you have this on a massive databse, probably using a 64
processor cluster to access it, but aren't you afraid that your head
might explode?

b) how many times has a WDC driven for a different team in his
defending year?
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Brian Lawrence

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Dec 5, 2009, 2:20:24 AM12/5/09

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"Dillon Pyron" <invalid...@austin.rr.com> wrote:

Quickest answer is to repost something Ian Hill posted in the other place:

> Given Button's possible move to McLaren, I wondered what history tells us
> about moving teams affects a reigning champion's prospects for the following
> year.
>
> Out of 59 previous seasons, the reigning champion has moved teams 10 times,
> with resulting championship positions as follows:
>
> Years Driver Old Team New Team Position
> =======================================================
> 1951/52 Fangio Alfa Romeo* Maserati 2nd
> 1953/54 Ascari Ferrari Lancia 25th
> 1955/56 Fangio Mercedes* Ferrari 1st
> 1956/57 Fangio Ferrari Maserati 1st
> 1967/68 Hulme Brabham McLaren 3rd
> 1977/78 Lauda Ferrari Brabham 4th
> 1987/88 Piquet Williams Lotus 6th=
> 1989/90 Prost McLaren Ferrari 2nd
> 1995/96 Schumacher Benetton Ferrari 3rd
> 1996/97 D Hill Williams Arrows 12th
> 2006/07 Alonso Renault McLaren 3rd
>
> * Alfa Romeo left F1 after two dominant seasons, and Mercedes left after the
> 1955 Le Mans disaster, so Fangio didn't have much choice in the matter on
> either of these occasions. (Mind you neither did Damon Hill in 1997, for
> other reasons).
>
> (Note that although Jackie Stewart drove for "Matra" in 1969 and Tyrrell
> (with a March chassis) in 1970, I'm counting this as staying in the same
> team as Uncle Ken ran the Matra team in '69. Stewart finished up 5th in
> 1970).
>
> Average championship position of a reigning champion who migrated: 5.6
>
>
> In 43 seasons the reigning champion stayed with the team with which he won
> the championship. I'll omit the individual details for brevity but the
> average championship position of the reigning champion who stayed was 4.2.
>
> In the other 5 seasons, the reigning champion did not compete, either
> through retirement (Stewart, Mansell, Prost), death (Rindt) or both
> (Hawthorn).
>
>
> I'll leave others to draw conclusions about whether or not these figures are
> significant, and what they say for Button's chances next year...
>
>
> While I was at it I decided to also look at which teams were more likely to
> send their champion packing.
>
> Team WDCs Migrants Percentage
> ==========================================
> Alfa Romeo 2 1 [1] 50%
> Mercedes 2 1 [1] 50%
> Benetton [2] 2 1 50%
> Renault [2] 2 1 50%
> Williams [3] 7 2 28%
> Brabham 4 1 25%
> Ferrari 15 3 20%
> McLaren 12 1 8%
> Maserati 1 0 0%
> BRM 1 0 0%
> Cooper 2 0 0%
> Tyrrell [4] 3 0 0%
> Lotus 6 0 0%
>
> [1] Forced migration by the team pulling out.
> [2] Could perhaps be thought of as the same team, with no change to the
> percentage...
> [3] Plus two retirements, taking their no-stays to a table-topping 57%!
> [4] As above, I'm counting Stewart's 1969 championship for Tyrrell rather
> than a separate Matra team.
>
>
> regards
> Ian

Marcus

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Dec 14, 2009, 6:35:12 AM12/14/09

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Mark Jackson wrote:
> The "official" entry list has been posted by the FIA (on the deadline
> set by their 2010 sporting regulations):
>
> No Driver Entrant Constructor
> 1 Jenson BUTTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
> 2 Lewis HAMILTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
>
> 3 Nico ROSBERG (D) BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM BRAWN MERCEDES
> 4 TBA BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM BRAWN MERCEDES
>
> 5 Sebastian VETTEL (D) RED BULL RACING RED BULL RENAULT
> 6 Mark WEBBER (AUS) RED BULL RACING RED BULL RENAULT
>
> 7 Felipe MASSA (BR) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO FERRARI
> 8 Fernando ALONSO (E) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO FERRARI
>
> 9 Rubens BARRICHELLO (BR) AT&T WILLIAMS WILLIAMS COSWORTH
> 10 Nico HULKENBERG (D) AT&T WILLIAMS WILLIAMS COSWORTH
>
> 11 Robert KUBICA (PL) RENAULT F1 TEAM RENAULT
> 12 TBA RENAULT F1 TEAM RENAULT
>
> 14 Adrian SUTIL (D) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM FORCE INDIA MERCEDES
> 15 Vitantonio LIUZZI (I) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM FORCE INDIA MERCEDES
>
> 16 Sebastien BUEMI (CH) SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO STR FERRARI
> 17 TBA SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO STR FERRARI
>
> 18 TBA LOTUS F1 RACING LOTUS COSWORTH
> 19 TBA LOTUS F1 RACING LOTUS COSWORTH
>

Lotus have just announced Trulli and Kovalainen
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8411249.stm

Marcus

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Dec 15, 2009, 6:40:15 AM12/15/09

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Marcus wrote:
> Mark Jackson wrote:
>> The "official" entry list has been posted by the FIA (on the deadline
>> set by their 2010 sporting regulations):
>>

And Virgin have announced Glock and Di Grassi

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8412892.stm