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> MILLER: Milka Dunno Driving an Indy Car
> Written by: Robin Miller Indianapolis, IN - 3/26/2007
>
>
> >From the outside it looks like a nice surprise package for the Indy
> Racing League. New team, new driver and new sponsor. To quote IRL
> founder Tony George: "A very, very, very good day."
> However, to anybody familiar with her experience and talent level, the
> thought of Milka Dunno driving an Indy car next month in Kansas City
> is frightening. Or should be.
> And the idea of an oil company (CITGO) owned and operated by anti-
> American Hugo Chavez sponsoring her car isn't exactly something to
> shout about either.
> But the real concern should be on a 34-year-old sports car
> "specialist" who didn't start racing until 1999, has no high speed,
> open wheel experience and has never been on an oval track.
> If you read Dunno's the full page ad in Monday's USA Today, it's hard
> not to be dazzled. "Milka Dunno is brilliant, fearless, beautiful and
> Venezuelan. And she's demonstrated a woman can rule in a male-
> dominated sport."
> She's billed as the first woman to win a major sports car race and her
> credits include victories in Petite LeMans and Grand Am. Those aren't
> false claims because she was, indeed, on the winning team at Miami,
> Road Atlanta and Mt. Tremblant.
> The fine print is that she didn't drive very many laps in any of them.
> Just like last Saturday's fourth place at Miami-Homestead in Grand Am,
> she logged 14 laps and teammate Patrick Carpentier did the other 77.
> Or her second place at this year's Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona where
> Ryan Dalziel, Darren Manning and Carpentier drove 90 percent of the
> time.
> The perception is that Ms Milka is an accomplished racer. The reality
> is that she's not very good and not very well regarded by her sports
> car brethren. "She has trouble running side-by-side in these cars and
> I shudder to think what she'll be like with open wheels," said one
> veteran sports car racer. "She's a very nice person but she's got no
> business in an Indy car at 200 mph."
> For the woman who ran mid-pack in the celebrity category of the annual
> Toyota Celebrity Race at Long Beach a few years ago, she does have the
> backing of CITGO and SAMAZ Racing owner Peter Baron, whose rationale
> for moving her up to Indy cars left most of us shaking our heads.
> "I have a fair amount of driving history behind me and I firmly
> believe that if you're going to drive an Indy car, and that's what you
> want to do, figure out how to get it done," replied Baron when asked
> why not try her in the Indy Pro Series first.
> "Figure out how to do as much testing as you can. If you want to be an
> Indy car driver, if you can do it, the sooner you can do it, the more
> testing you can do behind it, the better off you will be. The best way
> to learn how to run 225 mph is to run 225 mph."
> The idea that a few days of testing will prepare anybody for the full-
> throttle madness of Texas, Kansas City, Chicago and Homestead is
> absurd and the overall tone of last Friday's press conference was that
> this is going to be so much fun.
> But this isn't a fun little Daytona Prototype on a road course with a
> mix of slow corners thrown in. This is the fastest, most lethal form
> of motorsports in this country. Taking Dunno to St. Pete, Watkins
> Glen, Sonoma, Detroit and Mid-Ohio would have been a much wiser game
> plan.
> "I heard people say for a long time, 'Is Milka going to Indy, yes or
> no?," she said during her press conference. "Finally, I am here. My
> dream is coming true."
> Brian Barnhart, the IRL president of competition, went along with the
> feel good atmosphere and said by the time Milka gets to her first
> race: "she'll have thousands of miles under her belt. We'll even
> consider putting other cars out there on the track with her to
> replicate traffic and give her the opportunity to run in dirty air."
> To which one IRL veteran responded: "Good luck on finding somebody to
> volunteer for that."
> Barnhart also said she's going to have to pass a driving test under
> the critical eyes of Rick Mears or Johnny Rutherford or Al Unser. So,
> obviously, there's no guarantee she'll make the grade, although there
> was a dentist of similar ilk who became an IRL regular in the cars way
> too easy to drive on the huge high banked tracks.
> Hopefully, Dunno will scare herself so badly in her first test at
> Texas that she'll come to her senses, realize she's out of her depth
> and give the car to Carpentier.
> Because Indy cars aren't fun and games and photo ops. They can be life
> and death. And having desire, a pretty smile, a good PR machine and a
> sponsor aren't good enough reasons to merit a ride.
> This is one of those situations that the racing fraternity embraces
> publicly, but privately knows is a recipe for disaster.
>
> http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/36275/
>
What could be more hilarious than the continuing oxymoronic,
simultaneous canards that the IRL's high speed oval racing is
both "flat footed and boring", "these cars are so stuck to the
ground my grandmother could drive one", and "this is the
fastest, most lethal form of motorsports in this country", "too
dangerous to participate in" (e.g., Bourdais' stated abject
fear [which he apparently only very briefly overcame in
2005] about competing at the Indy 500), particularly on
a regular basis.
The IRL at least won't be fielding such luminaries as Patrick
Bedard, Dale Whittington, Jack Miller, Paul Jasper, Dennis
Vitolo, Randy Lewis, Lyn St. James or, reportedly, the self
admittedly frightened and rolling chicane backmarkers at the
2005 Indy 500, Sebastien Bourdais and Bruno Junquiero.
linux57
>
> The IRL at least won't be fielding such luminaries as Patrick
> Bedard, Dale Whittington, Jack Miller, Paul Jasper, Dennis
> Vitolo, Randy Lewis, Lyn St. James or, reportedly, the self
> admittedly frightened and rolling chicane backmarkers at the
> 2005 Indy 500, Sebastien Bourdais and Bruno Junquiero.
>
>
Won't they? Some of these as well as the multi-talented Al Unser, Jr.
have run recently.
And just think of running that party-guy lil' Al at Indy again. Imagine
how much fun it would be in the pits. A kegger for practice, a cocktail
party before qualifying, champaigne toasts and receptions for making the
field, a week of pre-race parties and an eye-opener festival before
Gomer sings. There'll be a "guess the drink" beverage in the driver
water bottles.
Then, after Al is released from the infield care center, there'll be a
wife-beating party just to keep with the traditions of the Indy 500.
The IRL will do absolutely ANYTHING to get a field for the Indy 500 even
if its using more of these crash dummies behind the wheel.
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> . wrote:
>
> >
> > The IRL at least won't be fielding such luminaries as Patrick
> > Bedard, Dale Whittington, Jack Miller, Paul Jasper, Dennis
> > Vitolo, Randy Lewis, Lyn St. James or, reportedly, the self
> > admittedly frightened and rolling chicane backmarkers at the
> > 2005 Indy 500, Sebastien Bourdais and Bruno Junquiero.
> >
> >
>
> Won't they? Some of these as well as the multi-talented Al Unser, Jr.
> have run recently.
That's, of course, a purposeful and intentional lie. None
of those I mentioned (except the chumpcar backmarkers)
have competed in the non-joke (since 2003) IRL.
> The IRL will do absolutely ANYTHING to get a field for the Indy 500 even
> if its using more of these crash dummies behind the wheel.
Well they're certainly not going to scrape the absolute
bottom of the barrel to recruit, or likely even allow,
the unknown, unaccomplished, ride buying, amateur
dregs that infest chumpcar.
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> Von Fourche wrote:
> > "Lenny" <hays...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1174990964.5...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >> MILLER: Milka Dunno Driving an Indy Car
> >> Written by: Robin Miller Indianapolis, IN - 3/26/2007
> >>
> >>
> >> >From the outside it looks like a nice surprise package for the Indy
> >> Racing League. New team, new driver and new sponsor. To quote IRL
> >> founder Tony George: "A very, very, very good day."
> >> However, to anybody familiar with her experience and talent level, the
> >> thought of Milka Dunno driving an Indy car next month in Kansas City
> >> is frightening. Or should be.
> >> And the idea of an oil company (CITGO) owned and operated by anti-
> >> American Hugo Chavez sponsoring her car isn't exactly something to
> >> shout about either.
> >
> >
> >
> > Who cares what she did in sports car racing, it's not IndyCar
racing.
> > She's moving up. Give her a chance. I wouldn't be surprised if this
> > IndyCar rookie amazes people with her driving.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> BTW, Chavez is Anti-U.S. That's how he "nationalized" Citgo ...
To more or less repeat, for you slow (and that's being
generous) chumps, from my February 15th post:
Venezuela supplies MORE than 10% of the oil the US
imports (MANY orders of magnitude greater than its
TRIFLING provisions to the IRL). So with Chavez
participating, and a factor in US commerce, everyone
everywhere kindly boycott every and all things related
to the US, its goods or services.
Dave-E
> "linux57" <linux...@charter.net> wrote in message
Shirley, you jest!
Yes, I called you Shirley.
Paul Dana is on line 2 for you, dot.
Tattoo boy would have called, but he doesn't have a phone
Cessna 310
So who do you think gains the most personally money from the oil profits?
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Don't get saucy with me, Béarnaise!
> Paul Dana is on line 2 for you, dot.
As he's hangin' with CART victims Jeff Krosnoff,
Greg Moore, Gonzalo Rodriguez, Michael Tautkus,
Gary Arvin, Kenneth Fox, Sheryl Ann Laster ...
(some of whom never so much as set foot in a
racecar), he'll neither notice nor mind the delay.
> Tattoo boy would have called, but he doesn't have a phone
... nor a ride in the IRL.
6andretti
wrote:
Ms. Dunno seems to be the subject of much whispering. Assuming she
passes her ROP there's going to be a lot of nervous fellow drivers on
race day.
6andretti
>
>As he's hangin' with CART victims Jeff Krosnoff,
>Greg Moore, Gonzalo Rodriguez, Michael Tautkus,
>Gary Arvin, Kenneth Fox, Sheryl Ann Laster ...
>(some of whom never so much as set foot in a
>racecar), he'll neither notice nor mind the delay.
>
And Bill Vukovich, Pat O'Connor, Eddie Sachs, Dave McDonald, Art
Pollard, Swede Savage, Gordon Smiley, Scott Brayton, Jovy Marcelo,
Tony Renna, there's many more. These are just some of the pilots. Want
more? Should I list the paying patrons also?
Dave-E
> "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol.com> wrote in message
Completely missed my point. Of course, that doesn't come as a surprise.
Dave-E
Probably a good thing. The point is/was he did have a ride in the IRL.
How many of those individuals you listed in your post were unqualified
ride buyers?
Right. As I said, completely missed the point. You really should lay
off the TG kool-aid. I realize he's had to up the dosage to keep y'all
in line these days, but it's seriously clouding your "vision" and your
judgement. Thank you, drive thru.
.
Can't imagine anyone caring about any point you
might laughably attempt to make, even if by some
quirk of nature you could actually establish one.
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As opposed to those that died at the hands of CART,
I hadn't realized those many drivers perished as victims
of the IRL.
Oh, that's right, now I remember, that's because they
of course didn't.
Now, regale us once again with pathetic attempts at
deception about how Greg Moore wasn't injured and
incapacitated, yet callously and greedily allowed to
participate, while donning a prosthesis no less, and
compete on a known dangerous track ...
It was absolutely hilarious the first few times.
.
"Cessna 310" <jole...@sbc.com> wrote in message
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Is that in some language that only twins understand?
Dave-E
Apparently you cared enough to comment.
Too bad it was over your head.
Didja get your new thesaurus yet?
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$ Apparently you cared enough to comment.
Wrong again. I just enjoy slapping you around.
Dave-E
> $ "Dave-E" <davegt...@aol.com> wrote in message
You call that a slap? I call it pathetic. What else ya got for me?
Next troll please!
linux57
> "linux57" <linu...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:j8eOh.42$OA5...@newsfe04.lga...
>> . wrote:
>>
>>> The IRL at least won't be fielding such luminaries as Patrick
>>> Bedard, Dale Whittington, Jack Miller, Paul Jasper, Dennis
>>> Vitolo, Randy Lewis, Lyn St. James or, reportedly, the self
>>> admittedly frightened and rolling chicane backmarkers at the
>>> 2005 Indy 500, Sebastien Bourdais and Bruno Junquiero.
>>>
>>>
>> Won't they? Some of these as well as the multi-talented Al Unser, Jr.
>> have run recently.
>
> That's, of course, a purposeful and intentional lie. None
> of those I mentioned (except the chumpcar backmarkers)
> have competed in the non-joke (since 2003) IRL.
>
And where is it that you mentioned 2003 you lying piece of shit.
>
>> The IRL will do absolutely ANYTHING to get a field for the Indy 500 even
>> if its using more of these crash dummies behind the wheel.
>
> Well they're certainly not going to scrape the absolute
> bottom of the barrel to recruit, or likely even allow,
> the unknown, unaccomplished, ride buying, amateur
> dregs that infest chumpcar.
Open wheel is scraping the bottom of the barrel. And you're the shit
beneath it fouling the water.
linux57
>
> Completely missed my point. Of course, that doesn't come as a surprise.
>
>
> Can't imagine anyone caring about any point you
> might laughably attempt to make, even if by some
> quirk of nature you could actually establish one.
>
>
You're only point is trolling you lying piece of shit.
linux57
>
> $ Apparently you cared enough to comment.
>
> Wrong again. I just enjoy slapping you around.
>
>
Go slap your monkey you piece of shit.
Dave-E
As much as I enjoyed your trouncing of the eyeareller troll that is
the dot, unfortunately you just fed him a large meal.
Takes nothing away from your posts, though, well done!
Dave-E
then again...I should learn to ignore dothead too....
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> . wrote:
> > "linux57" <linu...@charter.net> wrote in message
> > news:j8eOh.42$OA5...@newsfe04.lga...
> >> . wrote:
> >>
> >>> The IRL at least won't be fielding such luminaries as Patrick
> >>> Bedard, Dale Whittington, Jack Miller, Paul Jasper, Dennis
> >>> Vitolo, Randy Lewis, Lyn St. James or, reportedly, the self
> >>> admittedly frightened and rolling chicane backmarkers at the
> >>> 2005 Indy 500, Sebastien Bourdais and Bruno Junquiero.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Won't they? Some of these as well as the multi-talented Al Unser, Jr.
> >> have run recently.
> >
> > That's, of course, a purposeful and intentional lie. None
> > of those I mentioned (except the chumpcar backmarkers)
> > have competed in the non-joke (since 2003) IRL.
> >
>
> And where is it that you mentioned 2003 you lying piece of shit.
>
In the unlikely event that you were or could have been
paying attention (and even less likely case, able to
distinguish a difference) these many years, my expressed
support has been solely for the modern, post Andretti IRL,
not the early, laughingstock, formative years (which I've
quite deservedly disparaged an untold number of times).
You'd be aware of that fact were you not such a reading
comprehension challenged and overall unmitigated imbecile.
.
Try not standing in front of a mirror when composing
your newsgroup posts, psycho. I can barely see
to read through my tears of hysterical laughter as it is.
Cessna 310
Then why do you refer to the pre-2003 environment? Or are you just
trying to cover up for your stupidity and shallowness?
I do like the general reference to you being a lying piece of shit.
Seems to fit quite nicely.
Cessna 310
Sounds like "I know you are, but what am I".
Dave-E
> . wrote:
> > "linux57" <linux...@charter.net> wrote in message
Only in a more verbose manner.
.
The IRL becoming legitimate (and the premier racing series,
excepting F1) that year was my only distinction wrt 2003.
Just how much spoon feeding will you be requiring, cretin?
.
That's tantamount to, or at least accordant with, such
inane suggestions as 'contract wording is unnecessarily
detailed', it displays all the "insight and understanding"
of 'design specifications are comprised of needlessly
superfluous minutiae' and 'jazz musicians aren't very
accomplished, they just move their fingers really fast'.
Cessna 310
The IRL never became a legitimate racing series.
scottscottscott
> my expressed
> support has been solely for the modern, post Andretti IRL
The one that has Scott Mayer in it (who got LOST on the track at Sears
Point during practice)?
By the way, what's your forecast for AGR (America's Answer to Scuderia
Ferrari) this year? Looks like their baseline setup has way too much
stagger.
I ask just because I care about them, and you.
Cessna 310
> On Mar 28, 7:24 pm, "." <....@dot.com> wrote:
>
>> my expressed
>> support has been solely for the modern, post Andretti IRL
>
> The one that has Scott Mayer in it (who got LOST on the track at Sears
> Point during practice)?
Exactly why the IRL needs to stay on ovals.
>
> By the way, what's your forecast for AGR (America's Answer to Scuderia
> Ferrari) this year? Looks like their baseline setup has way too much
> stagger.
Has Al Unser, Jr. been retained as the driving coach?
Mark
Or a better solution for that problem is to get drivers that don't get
lost (assuming that he really did) If they are that inexperienced or
that bad, they should be at a much lower level of racing than high hp
aerodependent race cars. You learn those skills early in a racing
career. Its why those heros of the short tracks fell out of favor
with those running Indy in the first place. The drivers needed skills
and experience that IRP didn't provide to be both safe and
competitive. Owners at that time weren't looking for projects. They
were looking for drivers ready to win now.
Al Jr probably could add some valuable insights to some of the younger
drivers, but he shouldn't be behind the wheel IMHO. Yet I would be
surprised if he isn't.
scottr...@yahoo.com
>
> Or a better solution for that problem is to get drivers that don't get
> lost (assuming that he really did)
2005-08-26 (Sonoma, CA)
By David Reininger - Motorsport.com
..............
As Simmons slowed for the right hand turn 11 he was drilled from
behind by Scott Mayer. The circuit configuration used for the IRL this
weekend utilizes a shortened turn 11, forcing the cars to negotiate a
tighter hairpin than that used for the NASCAR races. Witnesses to the
accident thought Mayer was racing towards the lengthened configuration
when he hit Simmons.
Cessna 310
From Reininger? Well that's the pinnacle of credibility!
So we can draw the conclusion from this that Mayer thought he was at
Road America. Or Darwin was at work in the IRL.
6andretti
>Now, regale us once again with pathetic attempts at
>deception about how Greg Moore wasn't injured and
>incapacitated, yet callously and greedily allowed to
>participate, while donning a prosthesis no less, and
>compete on a known dangerous track ...
>
>It was absolutely hilarious the first few times.
>
Glad you find death amusing but that fits your profile.
Did I ever say he wasn't injured? Incapacitated? Is English a second
language for you? Better reread that definition. Was Buddy Lazier
any less 'incapacitated' by having to be lifted into his tub?
Donning a prothesis. LOL. Again, see above paragraph.
'Known dangerous track'. Oh please stop I can't keep my monitor
clean.
.
For no more reason than I simply enjoy
slapping around lying losers like you:
From: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:57 PM ...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.sport.cart/browse_thread/thread/5e3832ddcd5978be/492783682487c26a?lnk=st&q=%22breaking+a+finger%2C+suffering+a+deep%22&rnum=2#492783682487c26a
...with a repeat command performance below:
"6andretti" <mdeq...@tds.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:43:04 -0600, "." <.@dot.com> wrote:
>
> >Greg Moore was interviewed before the '99 Marlboro 500 race at
> >the California Speedway in Fontana and spoke of his painful, disabled
> >hand.
>
> Really?! I saw the race, still have it on tape BTW. "disabled hand".
> You must have watched a differnent race with a different Greg Moore.
>
> >The injury, for which he had been fitted with a prosthetic brace,
> Prosthetic brace? See above.
>
> >had resulted from an earlier accident while aboard his motor scooter.
> >Despite this impairment CART nonetheless.foolishly, callously and
> >some would claim criminally, allowed him to compete.
>
> Your medical credentials please. Also please compare and contrast them
> to Dr. Olvey, et al. There's are well documented.
>
> >permitted the race to take place on a track with the clear and present
> >danger of an access road with a rutted perimeter, running across the
> >back-stretch infield. (which was later paved over, a tacit admission
> >of a de facto dangerous condition)
>
> First point is laughable. Don't quit your day job-assuming you have
> one. Second point occurs all the time-fixes are made in a constant
> quest for more safety measures.
>
>
> > It took only nine laps for the
> >confluence of these negative conditions to conclude in the inevitable
> >fait accompli that would take his life.
>
> Really?! You should be in Vegas, you'd make a fortune.
>
> >control due to injury were doubtless proximate causes of the fatality.
> >
> >As these events (other than the actual initial injury) all took place
> >live on national TV, there isn't and couldn't be the slightest dispute
> >about any of these presented facts. Irrespective of the legal liabilities
> >involved, I don't require a court of law to inform me of that which I
> >have witnessed with my own eyes.
> >
> >As they say, thanx for playing anyway, doofus.
>
> The mirror has two faces.
"In the aftermath of Championship Auto Racing Teams
latest tragedy, the circumstances that sent Moore to his
death are being examined and changes are likely to be
made at the 2-mile oval in Fontana, Calif."
"I think we'll consider paving the track at least two-thirds
of the way down into the infield coming off turn two," said
Wally Dallenbach. "The surface road was six inches lower
than the grass. Greg's car tripped because it was like a flat
rock skipping across a still pond. It dug in and inverted itself."
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=35529&FS=CHAMPCAR
"David Empringham (a former driving instructor for Greg Moore)
said ... that he will never accept the idea that Moore's death in a
horrific crash at the California Speedway in Fontana, Calif., was
unavoidable ... (and that his) death ... could have been prevented
by improvements to the track's infield. "The problem is we keep
saying these accidents are freak accidents. In this case, he hits a
road slightly elevated from the grass and it launches him upside
down. If that whole area is paved, from track to wall, it's a
different story", Empringham said."
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=35391&FS=CHAMPCAR
"On the 10th lap of the 250-lap event Sunday, Moore
appeared to lose control as his car coming off turn two."
"Greg Moore almost missed Sunday's season-ending race
after breaking a finger, suffering a deep laceration to his
right hand and a bruised right hip on Saturday in an off-
track incident in which his scooter was struck by a car
in the paddock area."
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=35269&FS=CHAMPCAR
"Moore was knocked off his motor scooter and injured
his right hand. After a medical consultation he was allowed
to race using a hand brace albeit starting from the back of the
grid after missing qualifying (because of the accident/injury)."
"On lap nine of the race Moore apparently lost control of his
car in the exit of the second turn and spun into the infield grass
at over 200 mph. His car hit an access road and was 'tripped'
over to strike the infield concrete wall upside-down at
unabated speed. He was killed as a result of the accident."
"The back-stretch infield of the California Speedway was
later paved over to prevent similar incidents, a practice
now followed by most American speedways."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Moore_%28race_car_driver%29
Prosthesis
Main Entry: pros·the·sis
Pronunciation: präs-'thE-s&s, 'präs-th&-
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural pros·the·ses /-"sEz/
: an artificial device to replace or augment
a missing or impaired part of the body.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Prosthesis&db
So just which is it, you're a liar or an incompetent, and
which, in your imbecilic assessment, do you deem to
be the less indictable excuse?
Don't debate those consultants with whom you're clearly
not fit to share the same room, and, as likely, building.
linux57
I don't think its appropriate to refer to you as shit. I wouldn't want
to damage shit's reputation.
.
And you can rest assured in the certain knowledge
that I wouldn't shit on the best part of you.
linux57
>>>
>>
>> I don't think its appropriate to refer to you as shit. I wouldn't want
>> to damage shit's reputation.
>>
>>
>
> And you can rest assured in the certain knowledge
> that I wouldn't shit on the best part of you.
>
>
You couldn't climb far enough out of that septic treatment facility
where you live long enough to get close to humans.