Ford Ends Champ Car Association
forty
Champ Car lost three more words from its official logo but, more
importantly, a major ally on Wednesday when Ford Motor Company announced
its withdrawal from participation in the series.
Aligned with CART and Champ Car for the past three decades, Ford had
been a presenting sponsor, official vehicle and source of power for much
of its association. In 2003, after Honda and Toyota bolted for the Indy
Racing League, Ford came to the rescue and its Cosworth became the sole
engine supplier for the open wheel series.
The past three years the series had been called “Bridgestone Presents
the Champ Car World Series powered by Ford” with Ford fielding cars for
the pace car team, as well as courtesy vehicles for the Champ Car staff
and other associate sponsorships. In addition, Ford of Mexico and Ford
of Canada had served as title sponsors for races in those countries.
But, with Champ Car opting to drop the pace car program in favor of
Minardi boss Paul Stoddart’s two-seat Formula 1 cars, Ford decided it
was time to move on.
“We were surprised they chose to torpedo the pace car program and even
more surprised they decided to go with the F1 two-seaters,” said Dan
Davis, director of racing for Ford. “And we’re not leaving on bad terms,
it’s just that Champ Car doesn’t align with our current business objectives.
“We’re not bitter, just very disappointed.”
The pace car program had been a staple of Champ Car since 1982, when the
late Jim Chapman introduced a way for series sponsor PPG Industries to
bring customers closer to the action.
It’s believed Ford had offered to increase its support and involvement
this season, most notably in taking over the pace car program and
expanding the on-track activities for its customers and dealers with the
Hot Lap Program.
“Today’s decision was made from a business standpoint on both sides and
in no way should tarnish the long legacy of success that the Ford Motor
Company has established in Champ Car competition,” Champ Car President
Steve Johnson said in a prepared statement. “We thank Ford for what it
has done for the series, but we are continuing building a bright future
for the series and are exploring a number of other options for a
manufacturer partner.”
Champ Car is thought to be talking with Hyundai, Cadillac and Mazda
about replacing Ford.
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forty
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RickyBobby
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Pete Fenelon
>
> "forty" <cfor...@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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>> http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/champcar/34990/
>
>> replacing Ford.
>
Given that Mazda's Ford anyway these days... and it's already in LMP2
and Atlantics... what's *wrong* with that?
pete
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pe...@fenelon.com "it made about as much sense as a polythene sandwich"
cowoffunk
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>
> Champ Car lost three more words from its official logo but, more
> importantly, a major ally on Wednesday when Ford Motor Company announced
> its withdrawal from participation in the series.
I'm confused. Is this just about pacecars and title sponsorship or do the
teams need to find a new engine supplier for the racecars aswell?
Sander Verbrugge
>> Champ Car lost three more words from its official logo but, more
>> importantly, a major ally on Wednesday when Ford Motor Company announced
>> its withdrawal from participation in the series.
>
> I'm confused. Is this just about pacecars and title sponsorship or do the
> teams need to find a new engine supplier for the racecars aswell?
No, Cosworth is independent from Ford now. Last year it was already a case of
Cosworth building and providing the engines with Ford just badging the engine.
--
Duck.
forty
> Jason Hoehn <jason.hoehn...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> "forty" <cfor...@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:51q03uF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/champcar/34990/
>>> Champ Car is thought to be talking with Hyundai, Cadillac and Mazda about
>>> replacing Ford.
>> Two of those would be just okay, the third however,... *groan*
>
> Given that Mazda's Ford anyway these days... and it's already in LMP2
> and Atlantics... what's *wrong* with that?
>
> pete
Indeed, Mazda has been very good to motorsport in the USA. Along with
Atlantics and ALMS they are very active in SCCA racing on Club and Pro
levels, as well as the Star Mazda formula car championship.
Cal Vanize
> "forty" <cfor...@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/champcar/34990/
>
>
>>replacing Ford.
>
>
>
> ROI for them. How many cadis would the sell because of their champcar
> association?
Losing Ford isn't good. Fortunately they weren't supplying engines
anymore and Cosworth broke free of Ford a long time ago. Its not going
to be as easy for CC to get a "series presented by" sponsor as it was
when Winston departed from NASCAR. But there are some interesting
possibilities.
Cadillac seems to be changing their image from battleships of the road
to luxury performance cars and SUVs. There might be a fit.
There are also some other cash flush corporations that could use some
exposure and might be good possibilities.
Pete Fenelon
>
> I'm confused. Is this just about pacecars and title sponsorship or do the
> teams need to find a new engine supplier for the racecars aswell?
>
Possibly confused. Cosworth was sold by Ford some time ago. It's now
owned by Gerry Forsythe and Kevin Kalkhoven. (Despite its epic Ford
links, Cosworth was only *owned* by the Blue Oval between '98 and '04).
They could stick any old badge on the engines.
xorbit
> Possibly confused. Cosworth was sold by Ford some time ago. It's now
> owned by Gerry Forsythe and Kevin Kalkhoven. (Despite its epic Ford
> links, Cosworth was only *owned* by the Blue Oval between '98 and '04).
>
> They could stick any old badge on the engines.
>
> pete
Just out of curiosity and because I haven't looked in years, what is the
base block used for most of the different Cosworth models? I know most
of the older models were based on a couple of different Ford blocks.
Has this changed much?
Low Rider
>
> tick..tock...tick...tock...
Bring on the bet, boldly-shit-talker-boy. You're in Nevada; back your
twaddle with cash, or STFU.
Need a reference to the wager proffer? If you're certain of the
imminent demise, making money would just be gravy to you, eh? Then
again, you always were a shit talking nobody with out any substance, as
your posts clearly reflect.
Lenny
On Jan 24, 4:07 pm, forty <cfort...@SPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/champcar/34990/
>
> Champ Car lost three more words from its official logo but...
Ford posts worst loss in its history
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070125/ap_on_bi_ge/earns_ford_16
John Francis
Oh, yes. The Cosworth engines used today are based on the old Ford
block (DFV?) about as much as a Nascar car is based on the vehicle
whose name it shares. In other words, hardly at all - there may be
a couple of superficial dimensions shared (cylinder pitch, perhaps),
but apart from that it's a full-blown racing engine design.
forty
The wager I proposed still stands. The thread was started Dec 6, 2006
with the subject line "Wager." Not many of the rabid anti-CCWS folks
showed up, save for an occasional X-no-archive:yes cowardly cop-out. If
anyone from the IRL camp wants to assert that statements of CCWS'
imminent doom are not frivolous, they have a fine opportunity here. A
proper Roman wager is open to all.
forty
Indeed.
xorbit
> Oh, yes. The Cosworth engines used today are based on the old Ford
> block (DFV?) about as much as a Nascar car is based on the vehicle
> whose name it shares. In other words, hardly at all - there may be
> a couple of superficial dimensions shared (cylinder pitch, perhaps),
> but apart from that it's a full-blown racing engine design.
>
Even down to the block? Is Cosworth machining their own blocks out of
blanks?
Pete Fenelon
> Just out of curiosity and because I haven't looked in years, what is the
> base block used for most of the different Cosworth models? I know most
> of the older models were based on a couple of different Ford blocks.
> Has this changed much?
Their own. The XF descends (vaguely) from the HB, the early 90s F1 engine.
The last Cosworth racing engine that had a Ford production block
was the YB series (the Sierra Cosworth engine).
The Mk1-Mk13, MAE, SC, GA, BD and FV series were based on Ford blocks.
Pete Fenelon
> Oh, yes. The Cosworth engines used today are based on the old Ford
> block (DFV?)
The DFV was Cosworth's own block. The only "Ford" bits on it were the
badges on the cam-covers.
The FVA, which was the F2 engine used as 'proof of concept' used a Ford
block with DFV-like heads.
Pete Fenelon
> Even down to the block? Is Cosworth machining their own blocks out of
> blanks?
>
Cosworth's been making its own blocks since 1967. The "Ford" DF
engines (DFV, DFW, DFX, DFS, DFR), the HB, Zetec R, ED, the XD/XE/XF
Champcar engines, and all the "Ford" V10s have no Ford in them.
Low Rider
For anybody with an actual set of minerals:
"I'll go one box of ziti. That is $1000.00 (US). And, I mean one box
of ziti against each and every EARL that has the courage to bet either
of the two propositions, mentioned.
So each EARL can bet that: 1) CC doesn't make it to the end of the
2007 season;
2) CC doesn't start the 2008
season;
3) or both.
I'll am willing to put the money in an escrow account (at my expense),
to be held in a bank in Reno, NV until the conclusion of the wagers. A
third party can be appointed to referee the wager and dispense my
winnings to me upon the conclusion of the wagers.
Of course, 'Memphis Rick' pulled some decency clause last time wagering
came up, concerning the immorality of betting; even though his home
state of Mississippi has many casinos adding revenue to that state's
coffers and employing many of the good folks there. He speaks of
wagers, 'All in,' antes, and other terms common to that milieu, but
then runs away in full retreat when his money are part of the equation.
He's all braggadocio, and absolutely no action.
Carey also pulled some of usual duplicitous bullshit concerning
wagering in the past about not betting. I believe the direct quote
was, 'I don't bet.' That is, despite his numerous indictments
affirming Sweeney's abject cowardice for not wagering with Pagan
concerning the Indy flat-foot challenge, and his numerous meddling and
pronouncements concerning the MAC/ Doug Ashford wager. Carey's just a
portly coward who engages in hypocrisy the same way other people
urinate.
KKKen? I'm certain he's more intelligent than to bet a sure loser.
Although, I also suspect he doesn't engage in any games of chance.
Von Douche? He's a just a loud mouth. I doubt that he has the
minerals, or the monies to enter into low stakes wagers, let alone
those of any sort of consequence. "
John Francis
Pete Fenelon <pe...@fenelon.com> wrote:
>xorbit <xor...@nospam.ca> wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity and because I haven't looked in years, what is the
>> base block used for most of the different Cosworth models? I know most
>> of the older models were based on a couple of different Ford blocks.
>> Has this changed much?
>
>Their own. The XF descends (vaguely) from the HB, the early 90s F1 engine.
>
>The last Cosworth racing engine that had a Ford production block
>was the YB series (the Sierra Cosworth engine).
When I got a tour of the Cosworth factory in 2003 they pointed with some
pride to their WRC engine; WRC rules require somewhat closer conformance
to the engine found in cars available for sale to the general public
than do the engines used in other racing series. There are also some
pretty strict rules about what you can (and can not) do with air intakes.
We also got to see the F1 Jaguar engine. Amazing. Exotically-shaped
pistons machined from unobtanium, and a carbon fibre wiring loom that
weighed next to nothing.
Cal Vanize
>
> Of course, 'Memphis Rick' pulled some decency clause last time wagering
> came up, concerning the immorality of betting; even though his home
> state of Mississippi has many casinos adding revenue to that state's
> coffers and employing many of the good folks there. He speaks of
> wagers, 'All in,' antes, and other terms common to that milieu, but
> then runs away in full retreat when his money are part of the equation.
> He's all braggadocio, and absolutely no action.
>
> Carey also pulled some of usual duplicitous bullshit concerning
> wagering in the past about not betting. I believe the direct quote
> was, 'I don't bet.' That is, despite his numerous indictments
> affirming Sweeney's abject cowardice for not wagering with Pagan
> concerning the Indy flat-foot challenge, and his numerous meddling and
> pronouncements concerning the MAC/ Doug Ashford wager. Carey's just a
> portly coward who engages in hypocrisy the same way other people
> urinate.
>
> KKKen? I'm certain he's more intelligent than to bet a sure loser.
> Although, I also suspect he doesn't engage in any games of chance.
>
> Von Douche? He's a just a loud mouth. I doubt that he has the
> minerals, or the monies to enter into low stakes wagers, let alone
> those of any sort of consequence. "
>
Maybe they're jsut waiting for the same money source as the rest of the
IRL - Tony George.
But RickyBobby isn't quite as smart as his show biz character namesake.
He does, however, have a much bigger mouth even though nothing of
value emerges. If he keeps his mouth open too long, the EPA will catch
up with him and fines will be dished out for violating air quality
standards.
Pete Fenelon
>>The last Cosworth racing engine that had a Ford production block
>>was the YB series (the Sierra Cosworth engine).
>
> When I got a tour of the Cosworth factory in 2003 they pointed with some
> pride to their WRC engine; WRC rules require somewhat closer conformance
> to the engine found in cars available for sale to the general public
> than do the engines used in other racing series. There are also some
> pretty strict rules about what you can (and can not) do with air intakes.
>
D'oh - wasn't thinking about the special stages!
> We also got to see the F1 Jaguar engine. Amazing. Exotically-shaped
> pistons machined from unobtanium, and a carbon fibre wiring loom that
> weighed next to nothing.
I saw one of the early ones (Ford VJ as used by Stewart) a few years
ago. It was positively tiny -- didn't look like a 3-litre engine at all.
(Admittedly I think the most photogenic engine ever was the 9.9l
Falconer V12.... ;))
John Smith
going to be a 2 seat minardi f1? So if this is the case then why are they
looking for a replacement? If they sign on Caddy or some other car maker
wouldn't they want to be the pace car?
Mark B
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surprise was it seemed to me that Champ Car was the one that stopped the
program. Another big mistake. I would have expected that it would be Ford
that would back out as a cost cutting measure, but then just how much of a
difference would it have made overall with a company the size of Ford? A
few free cars and just how much does it take to send a few extra racers that
from my personal experience happen to be very nice ladies and most were
smoking hot. (both in looks and in the way they drove on the track) They
were outstanding representatives for the series.
If you are going to a two seat pace car, why go to an F1 car? A much better
choice would be to have Don Panoz build a two seat DP1. Have enough of them
that they could take over the ride programs and do it in a car more like
what was raced than a mustang would make sense.
Having the field paced by an actual race car is something I haven't seen
before, but it would make sense. Many of the problems starting I think
could be helped in many cases by a faster start. Faster starts much closer
to race pace could only be done by an actual race car with a fully qualfied
driver at the wheel.
Von Fourche
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In November and December I predicted that ChampCar would not even make
it to the 2007 season. I still stand my prediction. Even if they do race,
it's clear no one considers them a top tier racing series any more, not even
themselves. Not racing and racing as a second tier 'support' series is the
same thing so - I win.
Von Fourche
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And they pissed Ford off so they can run Minardi's two seat car around
the track? How brilliant. Great move ChampCar.
Dave-E
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>
>
>
>
> > "forty" <cfort...@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
...and these are the rules that i've...just made...up..so sorry you all
lose. I'll take my ball and go home now.
You may stand by your prediction, you just don't have a big enough
chram to back it up.
trill away...
RickyBobby
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I do not wish to make any wager. It is a lot of fun watching this
slow-motion train wreck. I would have no idea how long these two captains
of industry intend to fund their series out of their pockets. Rich people
have expensive hobbies, more power to them. And we still have Bridgestone so
all is not lost.
If only we had the Indianapolis 500. But they burned that bridge a very
long time ago. The tick..toc... probably started then for all practical
purposes and it is just taking longer than anyone expected to wind down
completely.
RickyBobby
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>
They still have the Vanderbilt Cup. Well, not the real Vanderbilt Cup but
one they cobbled together as a very pale imitation of the Borg Warner
Trophy.
The Vanderbilt Cup replica seems to be rather bad luck because two of the
few names on the thing are Greg Moore and Alex Zanardi. It seems that CART
has been cursed ever since they stole the series from USAC and bad fortune
has been dogging them ever since.
RickyBobby
"Pete Fenelon" <pe...@fenelon.com> wrote in message
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> cowoffunk <c...@of.funk> wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused. Is this just about pacecars and title sponsorship or do the
>> teams need to find a new engine supplier for the racecars aswell?
>>
>
> Possibly confused. Cosworth was sold by Ford some time ago. It's now
> owned by Gerry Forsythe and Kevin Kalkhoven. (Despite its epic Ford
> links, Cosworth was only *owned* by the Blue Oval between '98 and '04).
>
> They could stick any old badge on the engines.
>
>
I vote for the Hyundai moniker. That would be a new low. And the new lows
seems to be arriving closer and closer together.
RickyBobby
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Yep, that would certainly make all the difference.
forty
>
> In November and December I predicted that ChampCar would not even make
> it to the 2007 season. I still stand my prediction. Even if they do race,
> it's clear no one considers them a top tier racing series any more, not even
> themselves. Not racing and racing as a second tier 'support' series is the
> same thing so - I win.
>
>
>
So you're a gazillion infinity plus one times better than all the other
kids in the yard...
R. Chalmers
On Jan 26, 6:06 am, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Pete Fenelon" <p...@fenelon.com> wrote in messagenews:3nom84-...@stratos.fenelon.com...
>
> > cowoffunk <c...@of.funk> wrote:
>
> >> I'm confused. Is this just about pacecars and title sponsorship or do the
> >> teams need to find a new engine supplier for the racecars aswell?
>
> > Possibly confused. Cosworth was sold by Ford some time ago. It's now
> > owned by Gerry Forsythe and Kevin Kalkhoven. (Despite its epic Ford
> > links, Cosworth was only *owned* by the Blue Oval between '98 and '04).
>
> > They could stick any old badge on the engines.
> I vote for the Hyundai moniker. That would be a new low.
Why is that? Unlike the North American Big Three auto manufacturers
featured in NASCAR, Hyundai is profitable and not on the ropes.
forty
Not to mention that Hyundai employs a large number of Americans and the
marque has made great strides in improving the quality of their products
and their market share in the US. They are becoming more and more of an
international force to be reckoned with. When looking at the facts, it
seems logical to conclude that only hopelessly bigoted, ignorant
xenophobes would describe a Hyundai association as a 'low.'
Mark B
reach the ultimate low of all. First Cart stole nothing from USAC. They
created a series which paid attention to all races and where the race teams
had a chance to make an honest dollar in a different racing series. When
they went to Indy, USAC remained in control till the IRL took over. They
complied with all USAC rules, and met the same standards that every other
person that wanted to compete in the 500 did.
Second using a fatal accident and one that took the legs of another for
political or trolling purposes is the ultimate in low. You sir need to look
hard in the mirror. Though I personally would never do so, accidents exist
in both the IRL and Nascar that are equally as tragic. It would be just as
bad to use one of them for the same low purpose.
But tell the rest of the story as well. Alex Zanardi not only set an
example for every other person that deals with a drastic change in
lifestyle, he has refused to quit living. When it would have been easy to
lay back and do nothing, Alex began tinkering with his artifical legs,
making them better in the process. Next thing you knew he was better than
anyone could have expected. Just maybe you didn't know he went back and
finished the final laps he didn't get to complete after the accident. No
not the cermonial retirement laps you see at Indy, but at a pace that would
have put him about 5th on the grid (5th might be off as its been a while but
others feel free to correct me if memory is incorrect) with artifical legs.
He is now competing again in one of the Touring car series, refusing to let
the accident get in the way of his living.
The best thing for the group to do with that kind of attitude is summed up
in one word. PLONK
xorbit
Von Fourche wrote:
>
> In November and December I predicted that ChampCar would not even make
> it to the 2007 season. I still stand my prediction. Even if they do race,
> it's clear no one considers them a top tier racing series any more, not even
> themselves. Not racing and racing as a second tier 'support' series is the
> same thing so - I win.
There needs to be some very serious money put up to back up your
assertion. How much are you willing to put down to put your money where
your mouth is?
xorbit
Von Fourche wrote:
>
> And they pissed Ford off so they can run Minardi's two seat car around
> the track? How brilliant. Great move ChampCar.
>
Show me the money.
sterl...@aol.com
-Sterling
Lenny
On Jan 26, 12:10 pm, xorbit <xor...@nospam.ca> wrote:
There needs to be some very serious money put up to back up your
> assertion. How much are you willing to put down to put your money
> where your mouth is?
<10,000 crickets.wav>
.
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Exactly the same number as those willing to accept
my wager with repect to the number of entries at
the Indy 500:
But of course unlike the cowardly chumps, I had
the guts to post my offer to BOTH groups, assuring
that those anonymous, nym shifting, pusillanimous
nincompoops would have the greatest opportunity
to actually undeniably encounter my challenge
before tacitly running away with their tails between
their legs.
Cal Vanize
Low Rider
On Jan 26, 3:08 am, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
Who's that speaking here? Is somebody speaking? - Corrado "Junior"
Soprano, The Sopranos, Episode #25
Low Rider
On Jan 26, 2:16 am, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>I do not wish to make any wager.
So you're a shit-talking cowardly nobody. Thanks, for the
confirmation.
Next!
RickyBobby
Are you completely nuts? I never said I wanted to bet anyone anything.
I just want everyone to know that I am enjoying this slow motion train wreck
of what was once a great racing series before CART stole it from USAC.
As long as there is life there is hope. Since every automaker on Earth
would be ashamed to be associated with this mess the principals can form
there own solution.
Cosworth can crank out some spec engines with "push to pass" features and
call some of them Gentilozzis and others can be called Forsythes and the
rest could be named Kalkovens. When there is no real competition to be had
there is always the opportunity for make believe competiton.
xorbit
> "Low Rider" <merd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>>On Jan 26, 2:16 am, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I do not wish to make any wager.
>>
>>
>>So you're a shit-talking cowardly nobody. Thanks, for the
>>confirmation.
>>
>>Next!
>>
>
>
> Are you completely nuts? I never said I wanted to bet anyone anything.
That's because you're not firm in your convictions, just trolling. If
you really believed what you say, you'd back it up. This is just your
way of running away to hide.
>
> I just want everyone to know that I am enjoying this slow motion train wreck
> of what was once a great racing series before CART stole it from USAC.
You've just exposed youself as a bitter old USAC (USUC) fan rather than
a racing fan. You obviously (obliviously) never let go and hold a grudge.
>
> As long as there is life there is hope. Since every automaker on Earth
> would be ashamed to be associated with this mess the principals can form
> there own solution.
And this mess started with the formation of the IRL, not with the
life-saving split from USAC.
>
> Cosworth can crank out some spec engines with "push to pass" features and
> call some of them Gentilozzis and others can be called Forsythes and the
> rest could be named Kalkovens. When there is no real competition to be had
> there is always the opportunity for make believe competiton.
>
And Honda can hit the road leaving the IRL with Briggs and Stratton.
.
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>
>
> On Jan 26, 12:41 pm, "." <....@dot.com> wrote:
> > "xorbit" <xor...@nospam.ca> wrote in
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> As you never posted terms for the wager, no proper proffer was ever
> made by you.
I didn't propose a specific bet, I solicited whether
anyone wanted to hazard one, my exact words being:
"I'm more than willing to wager that there will be more
than twenty cars..." The overwhelming silence of those
expressing an interest was deafening, the pathetically
feeble attempts at obfuscation, defining. Any one of
you anonymous, nym shifting, pusillanimous nincom-
poops could have responded with any particulars you
desired, but in light of the earlier remarks ("it looks like
AGR will be fielding at least a quarter of the Indy 500
cars this year" AND "Uh huh. Five of twenty"), you
were quite obviously far too fearful and lacking the
courage of your convictions to do so.
>You were called on it then, and now again.
And no one was buying your excuses then
and no one is buying your bullshit now.
> A wager requires terms and odds (payoffs) to be valid.
So why didn't any of you cowards indicate that you
were interested, willing to participate or suggest any
amounts or parameters? To ask the question is to
answer it.
> In your infinite
> stupidity, and despite being called on it, you still haven't posted
> either of the requisite items.
What a coincidence, neither did anyone else.
> Ergo, you never made an offer that
> could or could not be accepted, dotty-dolt.
Hilarious coming from an oaf who would imply
a feasibilty in placing a bet with a coward that
won't so much as identify himself but constantly
hides behind ever changing nom de plumes.
>You're still the same
> sniveling whiner you always been, dishonest at your core and as
> hypocritical as humanly possible.
Clearly the sniveling, whining victims are well known to
have always been, and still continue to be, the chumps,
e.g., "the IRL/'Tony George bankrupted our series and
took our owners, teams, drivers, venues, sponsors,
vendors, TV contracts and exposure, viewers,
opportunities, future ..." I'm not complaining about
anything, what I am doing is laughing at such clowns
as yourself.
> However, do keep up the fine effort.
As always, all my efforts continue to be both fine and
successful. If there is any problem whatsoever, it
would solely be that continually kicking your asses
and exposing your ignorance and deceit has proven
to be neither a worthy challenge nor of the slightest
difficulty for me. A positive aspect however is that it
accordingly warrants, requires and receives very little
of my time and attention.
Mario
"Jason Hoehn" <jason.hoehn...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Cal Vanize" <dont.eve...@myspam.org> wrote in message
> news:hq2uh.2427$do5...@newsfe06.lga...
>> Jason Hoehn wrote:
>>> "forty" <cfor...@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> exposure and might be good possibilities.
>
> It'll be Mazda. good fit I think.
I think that Ford's reason for backing out was just a timely and convenient
excuse for the fact that they're taking a big financial hit these days and need
to tighten their belts.
RickyBobby
"Mario" <mariobind...@canada.com> wrote in message
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Nah, they just hate OWRS the same as everyone else.
xorbit
>
> Nah, they just hate OWRS the same as everyone else.
Troll....
<plonk>
Mark B
> RickyBobby wrote:
>>
>> Nah, they just hate OWRS the same as everyone else.
>
> Troll....
>
Everyone please just plonk the troll without comment. Then everyone that
has already plonked them do not have to read the post and when the troll
doesn't get any attention hopefully they will just go away. At least make
them go through the trouble of getting a new name to miss all the filters
again in the hopes of getting an answer. Nothing bothers a troll more than
no answer.
.
Ford refers to the dumping of the chumps
as "jettisoning the deadwood".
RickyBobby
"forty" <cfor...@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
Hyundai street vehicles are just fine. They are just not a big name in auto
racing.
beaner
Fuck that. This is usenet for christssake. It's everyone's duty to be as
much of a pain in the ass as possible.
Beaner