Wow! rFactor PCC + Nordschleife 2007
Ronald Stoehr
I just drove the new PCC 2007 on the new Nordschleife 2007,
and I'm slowly trying to calm down again... ;)
The cockpit, the FF, the brakes, the thrill of driving that
Porsche on this beautiful track. There are many great mods
and tracks available for rF, but IMHO this combo takes the cake!
<http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=PCC%202007>
<http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Nordschleife%202007>
greetings
ronny
MikeWhy
news:fba468$r5a$1...@online.de...
Not intending to hijack this thread, I have a dumb question, somewhat
related to mods and updates. What are HAT files? Why do some mods instruct
you to delete old ones? And finally, are they responsible for the recent
splurge of CTDs with some car mods?
Mr. Sylvestre
> Hi!
>
> I just drove the new PCC 2007 on the new Nordschleife 2007,
> and I'm slowly trying to calm down again... ;)
>
Regards,
Mr. S.
Andre Warringa
Simply the best mod for rFactor so far, totally awesome.
Cheers,
Andre
MikeWhy
until I can get the nose to stop plowing. The front bar is disconnected, and
the rear wing is as low as she'll go, and still no hint of neutral handling
in sight. It's twitchy on trailing throttle, but that still isn't a good
handling car. How are you guys getting along with the new ride?
"Andre Warringa" <a.war...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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MikeWhy
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> I'm enjoying the track, of course, but I'll withhold judgement on the
> PCC07 until I can get the nose to stop plowing. The front bar is
> disconnected, and the rear wing is as low as she'll go, and still no hint
> of neutral handling in sight. It's twitchy on trailing throttle, but that
> still isn't a good handling car. How are you guys getting along with the
> new ride?
Hmmm. I'll have to take all of that back. I had problems the other night,
and brought it to Sebring to tune it, and nothing seemed to work. Going back
to a more reasonable setup, it behaved quite well just by bringing the ride
height back down, to the point of riding on the packers at times. The FF
settings also make a *huge* difference on perceived limits. (Duh!)
Uwe Schürkamp
Great mod indeed, but it seems to work in testing mode only for me. As
soon as I have other Porsches on the track (even during test day), I get
the 1fps-problem. This is the first time I've come across this problem
with all the mods I've installed (too many to mention ;-)
Any ideas what could be causing this and how to fix it?
Cheers, uwe
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p.ox...@ca.rr.com
cars really this 'boaty'? I preferred, frankly, the tighter, flickable
handling of the Porsches in GTR2, a game I no longer play. The problem
with GMSF, one has the impression, is Fonsecker with his defensive,
dig-in-the-heels reaction to any contrary points of view. He's
undoubtably talented, but, for chrissakes, all the better mods have
required multiple updates before hitting their stride.
MikeWhy
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It does feel a bit underdamped on fast bump/rebound, and overdamped on slow.
And it gets dicey after smacking the packers at the bottom of Fuchsrohe. But
so what? It'll make for great racing. I even like the slippery feel of the
fall and fog variants.
I've given up on hotlapping for now, and just enjoying the depth the new car
and the new track bring. All of it is still new and fresh enough to be
enjoyable. I even found lapping it tourist style, at a brisk but sedate
sightseeing pace, rewarding. It's a great track, very thoughtfully laid out
and finished. The car also.
p.ox...@ca.rr.com
> It's a great track, very thoughtfully laid out
> and finished.
Yea, if you have the energy and strength of purpose to memorize all
the damn turns.
Albert Ross
<p.ox...@ca.rr.com> wrote in message
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It's not that hard.
Uwe Schürkamp
If you need extra motivation, read up on some f1 history from the 60s.
You'll find the Nordschleife mentioned in every 2nd paragraph ;-)
MikeWhy
>> On Sep 2, 4:56 pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> It's a great track, very thoughtfully laid out
>>> and finished.
>>
>> Yea, if you have the energy and strength of purpose to memorize all
>> the damn turns.
(Weird. My news server didn't pickup your post. I saw it in Uwe's
response...)
I crossed that bridge long ago, back when GPL's Nurburgring was new and
fresh. It *was* difficult. The track map names defied memorization until the
nice folks here helped translate them to something I could relate to in
English. A bit of the folklore also helps you memorize the names, and then
you can label your memories of their shapes.
I tried to reproduce that here, but deleted it before sending. I group the
corners into sections slightly different than the track map does, and
introducing it here, now, is more likely to confuse than help. Maybe someone
else can help with the literal translations.
I don't know how to help with the "strength of purpose" part. For me, the
question was never "Why?", but "How?"
==========
Here's a second try, without any attempt at continuity, with a bit of the
folklore...
Hatzenabach: slow chicanes leading up to...
Quiddlebacher: bridge over the road to the town of Quiddelbach.
Flugplatz: "airport", right after the large jump. GPL cars got airborne
several feet here, but the Porsche just doesn't have the speed. It leads to
the pair of very fast right handers leading onto...
Schwendenkreuz: "Swedish Cross". Very fast slightly downhill straight
leading to a left hand sweeper. I think the name is for the turn itself; it
was said that it honors the Swedish soldiers who died here in one war or
another. Or maybe simply a Swede racer who died... I don't recall clearly
the story that was told. (For years, I thought the Swedish Cross referred to
what I now know is Metgezfeld. In GPL, there was a huge red flag with a
white cross draped on the hillside at the 2nd left hander there.)
Aremberg Bridge: underpass below the bridge carrying the road to the town of
Aremberg. Medium slow right hand sweeper leading onto...
Fuchsrohe: "Fox Row", supposedly for the fox families that lived here during
construction. Very fast downhill slalom from Aremberg Bridge, and then back
uphill to Adenaur Forst. Treacherously bumpy at the natural braking points
near the top, tending to upset the car.
Adenaur Forst. "Adenaur forest." The town of Adenaur is close by.
Increasingly slower series of 90 deg chicanes. Leads onto...
Metgezfeld: farm fields belonging to somebody named Metgez, presumably. Fast
section with gentle kinks leading to two increasingly slower left handlers.
(In GPL, there was a huge red flag draped on the hillside to the right of
the second left hander. For years, I mistakenly thought of this section as
Schwendenkreuz, for the red cross.)
Kallenhardt, downhill esses. In GPL, this was distinct for the row of hedges
that is now depicted as armco guarding the cliff dropoff on the left.
Weirseifen: first of two bridges. 2nd gear left right chicane leading onto a
fast downhill straight to...
Breidscheidt: second of two bridges. 3rd gear left right chicane leading
to...
Ex Muhle: steep uphill right hander, supposedly steeper than Laguna's
corkscrew.
Lauda Eck: fast left hand kink; almost but can't quite be taken flat out in
5th (PCC2007). Niki Lauda crashed here and was severely burned in the last
F1GP run here. (I might have this wrong. The name might actually apply to
the right hander that follows, which I think of as...)
Bergwerk: long sweeping right hander opening onto a series of very fast
leftward kinks, more or less taken as one huge left hand sweeper.
Kesselchen: very fast very gentle series of right hand kinks. The Porsche
almost reaches terminal speed before the narrow, high speed chicane leading
onto...
Angst Korner: aptly named. Two high speed lefts leading to a blind 4th gear
right.
... I forget the names now; a 4th gear straight, 3rd gear long sweeper, and
then the series of kinks leading to...
Karrusel: (carousel) a hairpin with a concrete banking. Aim for the pine
tree coming out the sweeper.
Hohe Acht: (high point, "attention height") flat out slight uphill run
through the gears to increasingly tighter left hand kinks. Marks the
beginning of the back half of the course. It's downhill from here.
Wipperman: a couple of 4th gear straights and high speed left-right
chicanes, slightly downhill.
Eschbach: big sweeping 3rd gear downhill long left hander. Right hander at
the bottom leading to...
Bruunchen: slight downhill run, 4th gear straights, 3rd gear sweeping 90 deg
bends.
Eis Kurve: "ice curve", 3rd gear 120 deg. left hand, right kink, leading to
a blind downhill left-right kinks, from which it gets its name. There's very
little traction here after cresting before the kinks.
Pflantzgarten 1: ("plant garden", possibly named for the castle gardens that
bordered here) after a short straight with a small steep drop, two 4th gear
right handers, uphill to a left, and then another left, and then a sharp
downhill drop to...
Pflantzgarten 2: mostly blind series of long gentle esses. Two right-left
series. Gas on point is apex of the second right hander once the last left
hander comes into view. One last good run up through fifth leading onto...
Schwalbenschwanz: "swallowtail", possibly named after it's plan view shape.
Right hander leading uphill to reverse camber left. Uphill a bit more to the
little carousel, another concrete banking set into the left hander. Uphill
some more to a right with a blind exit. Crest for a very short straight
leading onto the fast sweeping right hander which opens onto...
Dottinger Hohe: flat out run to under Antoine's Bridge, Tiergarten (tea
garden), and slowing back to 2nd gear for the hochensrainchicane.
Ronald Stoehr
>> On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:59:24 -0700, p.ox...@ca.rr.com wrote:
>>> On Sep 2, 4:56 pm, "MikeWhy" <boat042-nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> It's a great track, very thoughtfully laid out
>>>> and finished.
>>>
>>> Yea, if you have the energy and strength of purpose to memorize all
>>> the damn turns.
>
> (Weird. My news server didn't pickup your post. I saw it in Uwe's
> response...)
>
> I crossed that bridge long ago, back when GPL's Nurburgring was new and
> fresh. It *was* difficult. The track map names defied memorization until
> the nice folks here helped translate them to something I could relate to
> in English. A bit of the folklore also helps you memorize the names, and
> then you can label your memories of their shapes.
How does knowing the names (in whatever language) help you getting through
all the turns as fast as possible? I can drive a few dozen tracks in my
mind, but I don't know more than 2 turns by name... =8^O
l8er
ronny
Albert Ross
discuss the track with someone.
MikeWhy
It's a fair question. Many tracks have fewer corners total than some
sections of the north loop. The names help to anchor things. Estoril versus
Barcelona, for example, or Kallenhardt versus Bergwerk. Or Esses, Carousel,
and Keyhole at Mid-America. You might categorize things differently. I can't
imagine *not* putting a label on it, even something made up. "The 2nd gear
hairpin leading opening onto the 4th gear left-right chicane." (But "Bit
Kurve" already sums that up for me.)
Ronald Stoehr
Agreed, but that's "something completely different" to
>>>>> Yea, if you have the energy and strength of purpose to memorize all
>>>>> the damn turns.
Just curious
ronny
p.ox...@ca.rr.com
> Knowing the names would serve as a common point of reference I you wanted to
> discuss the track with someone.
ISI (or any developer) really needs to include the track graphic with
named corners, accessible from the race menu, in the next version. A
small, doable and meaningful enhancement. I'm still a bit murky about
the Lesmos.
MikeWhy
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodromo_Nazionale_Monza
Uwe Schürkamp
(ADVANCE WARNING: what follows is an anal-retentive correction to an otherwise
excellent post by Mike, but we need to straighten out the local place
names ;-)
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 05:05:56 -0500, MikeWhy wrote:
>
> Hatzenabach: slow chicanes leading up to...
>
"Hatzenbach" is the name, and they say you can only lose, but not gain
time here. Take things slowly, concentrate on the correct line and above
all, avoid throwing the hotlap away that you only just started (not as
big a problem as it was in GPL due to the "Kurzanbindung" and the much
shorter warmup lap you can do on the VLN / 24h layout).
> Quiddlebacher: bridge over the road to the town of Quiddelbach.
>
Name is "Quiddelbacher Hoehe", it's fun keeping the car straight in the
air by modulating the engine torque using the throttle and engine revs.
> Schwendenkreuz: "Swedish Cross". Very fast slightly downhill straight
"Schwedenkreuz". I think it stems from the 30-year-war or something.
>
> Fuchsrohe: "Fox Row", supposedly for the fox families that lived here during
"Fuchsroehre" (Fox tunnel / pipe)
> Adenaur Forst. "Adenaur forest." The town of Adenaur is close by.
> Increasingly slower series of 90 deg chicanes. Leads onto...
"Adenauer Forst" Adenau is the town next to the section.
>
> Metgezfeld: farm fields belonging to somebody named Metgez, presumably. Fast
"Metzgesfeld".
> Weirseifen: first of two bridges. 2nd gear left right chicane leading onto a
> fast downhill straight to...
>
"Wehrseifen": a "Wehr" is an artificial waterfall these days, but also
used to mean town defensive walls in the old days.
> Breidscheidt: second of two bridges. 3rd gear left right chicane leading
> to...
>
> Ex Muhle: steep uphill right hander, supposedly steeper than Laguna's
> corkscrew.
>
> Lauda Eck: fast left hand kink; almost but can't quite be taken flat out in
> 5th (PCC2007). Niki Lauda crashed here and was severely burned in the last
> F1GP run here. (I might have this wrong. The name might actually apply to
> the right hander that follows, which I think of as...)
>
Also aptly named as "Grillkurve" (BBQ corner), a term which Laude
himself coined after the accident.
> Wipperman: a couple of 4th gear straights and high speed left-right
> chicanes, slightly downhill.
Wippermann ("mann" == "man" in German)
> Bruunchen: slight downhill run, 4th gear straights, 3rd gear sweeping 90 deg
> bends.
>
Bruennchen ("little well")
> Pflantzgarten 1: ("plant garden", possibly named for the castle gardens that
> bordered here) after a short straight with a small steep drop, two 4th gear
> right handers, uphill to a left, and then another left, and then a sharp
> downhill drop to...
>
> Pflantzgarten 2: mostly blind series of long gentle esses. Two right-left
> series. Gas on point is apex of the second right hander once the last left
> hander comes into view. One last good run up through fifth leading onto...
"Pflanzgarten"
> Dottinger Hohe: flat out run to under Antoine's Bridge, Tiergarten (tea
> garden), and slowing back to 2nd gear for the hochensrainchicane.
"Doettinger Hoehe", "Antoniousbuche" ("Buche" is a tree), and
"Tiergarten" means "Zoo" (tea garden would be "Teegarten" ;-)
All the best,
Uwe