Nascar 4: What's the big deal? (/me hides for cover)
drinklime
what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The physics are
close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most likely
have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than Nascar
Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time. So yea,
Nascar 4 is good and all, but it's really not much different than Nascar
Heat. At least I think so...... flame away.
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THop
I prefer the Heat engine. Why is everyone so worried about getting up in the
air? That seems stupid to me. How can everyone keep saying improved AI.
There is only one car in my demo, did I get the wrong one or are you making
this shit up? Maybe you are reading Papy's web site...
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Dave Henrie
Heats ai that ram you from all rearward angles during yellow flags and
pitstops.
and better than N3's the famous Papyrus wiggle that would stack up cars
behind a wreck is gone.(another tip of the hat to N4's daddy, gpl)
That we know from postings here and elsewhere. But is it better in a
racing
enviroment? That we don't know yet...
dave henrie
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> I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good at
all.
> I prefer the Heat engine. Why is everyone so worried about getting up in
the
> air? That seems stupid to me. How can everyone keep saying improved AI.
> There is only one car in my demo, did I get the wrong one or are you
making
> this shit up? Maybe you are reading Papy's web site...
>
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Johan N
says...
> I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good at all.
> I prefer the Heat engine. Why is everyone so worried about getting up in the
> air? That seems stupid to me. How can everyone keep saying improved AI.
> There is only one car in my demo, did I get the wrong one or are you making
> this shit up? Maybe you are reading Papy's web site...
>
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Kurt
because I have just spent the last couple of months running GPL. I expected
better throttle response from N4. I have been running N4 at Michigan. What
I have been trying to achieve is a setup that would go loose from the middle
of turn 1&2 out. What I expected was a enough oomph to throw the rear end
out exiting the turn. It almost feels like Papy dumbed down the physics for
N4. Maybe I'm expecting too much.
Mike Grandy was kind enough to help me out. I can now turn 183 lap speeds.
But, I can't get the car loose from the middle out.
Kurt
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> In article <3a268...@goliath.newsfeeds.com>, ton...@hotmail.com
> says...
> > I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good at
all.
> > I prefer the Heat engine. Why is everyone so worried about getting up in
the
> > air? That seems stupid to me. How can everyone keep saying improved AI.
> > There is only one car in my demo, did I get the wrong one or are you
making
> > this shit up? Maybe you are reading Papy's web site...
> >
> > drinklime <noth...@spam.com> wrote in message
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David Boothe
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David Boothe
GPL. N4's physics are more accurate than Heat imho. And Heat is WAY too easy
to drive.
By the way, raise your rear sway bar.
Dave
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Jason Monds
"right out of the box". I just chalked it up to better default setups
in N4. Once I get my car setup in Heat, it's not so bad because I know
the limits. A road course would be nice to feel the full potential of
the N4 physics.
Jason.
David Boothe wrote:
>
> It's modeling a 3500 lb car... there should be a difference between N4 and
> GPL. N4's physics are more accurate than Heat imho. And Heat is WAY too easy
> to drive.
>
> By the way, raise your rear sway bar.
>
> Dave
>
> "Kurt" <karter42@(no spam)earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > I'm not sure about N4 physics. I like Heat better. Maybe the fault is
> > because I have just spent the last couple of months running GPL.
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>
> I'm not sure about N4 physics. I like Heat better. Maybe the fault is
> better throttle response from N4. I have been running N4 at Michigan. What
> I have been trying to achieve is a setup that would go loose from the middle
> of turn 1&2 out. What I expected was a enough oomph to throw the rear end
> out exiting the turn. It almost feels like Papy dumbed down the physics for
> N4. Maybe I'm expecting too much.
> Mike Grandy was kind enough to help me out. I can now turn 183 lap speeds.
> But, I can't get the car loose from the middle out.
>
> Kurt
You can do what you are saying but you really need to loosen up the car.
But if you get it just right in turn 1 and 2 you'll spin in 3 and 4.
turn 1 and 2 is a decreasing radius turn with some big bumps and turn 3
and 4 is increasing radius and with the way the banking is you'll easily
spin there.
I've now run a 187.4mph with the race engine with a light fuel load and
a 1:86.9mph with race engine and full of fuel.
I'm sure you'll be steering out of the corner a lot more with the gas at
smaller tracks. At Michigan you pretty much steer the car into the
corner with the gas. Also it is MUCH easier to steer with the throttle
in GPL as you have a larger margin of error with the big slip angles and
less torque. A road course with these stock cars will be a real
handfull.
Also with a good fast loose setup it doesn't take much to spin, just
touch the apron the wrong way and you'll eat the wall. The people saying
they can drive on the apron have a setup that is super tight.
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Amp
<gzmoto...@earthlink.net> thus spoke:
>It's modeling a 3500 lb car... there should be a difference between N4 and
>GPL. N4's physics are more accurate than Heat imho. And Heat is WAY too easy
>to drive.
Why should a car be hard to drive? Hard does not equal more realistic,
IMO.
Jan Verschueren
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David Boothe
demos to demos. I took the Heat demo, put it in "hardcore" mode and I
couldn't spin the car if I tried. I loosened it up BIG time. It feels like
it's got tires three feet wide on the back. N4 isn't hard to drive either.
As a matter of fact, its one of the easiest driving sims I've tried next to
GPL. You have such a good sense of what the car is doing, you can really
push the car to its limit and feel the apex of the turns much better. I was
knocking out 23 second laps at Dover Downs within 15 minutes of sitting down
with N4 last night. You can feel the slightest changes in the setup and the
car responds like a car. Nascar Heat imho, responds more like a 40 foot
Grady White fishing boat.
Dave
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Amp
<gzmoto...@earthlink.net> thus spoke:
>I agree 100%.... and Nascar Heat is not as realistic imo. I'm only comparing
>demos to demos. I took the Heat demo, put it in "hardcore" mode and I
>couldn't spin the car if I tried. I loosened it up BIG time. It feels like
>it's got tires three feet wide on the back. N4 isn't hard to drive either.
>As a matter of fact, its one of the easiest driving sims I've tried next to
>GPL. You have such a good sense of what the car is doing, you can really
>push the car to its limit and feel the apex of the turns much better. I was
>knocking out 23 second laps at Dover Downs within 15 minutes of sitting down
>with N4 last night. You can feel the slightest changes in the setup and the
>car responds like a car. Nascar Heat imho, responds more like a 40 foot
>Grady White fishing boat.
>
>Dave
I think your comments on NH are a bit harsh. I made my comment because
I actually prefer the feel of NH. See post from Steve Blankenship down
below in another thread. He feels the same way. I don't know which is
more realistic, I just don't believe the cars pull that hard to the
left as they do in N4 and prefer the more subtle pull of NH.
Andy
wrote:
>close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most likely
>have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than Nascar
>Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time.
That IS the point. They took the "extra time" to do it right.
Andy
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David Boothe
> left as they do in N4 and prefer the more subtle pull of NH.
They do depending on the setup, I've driven one.
Dave
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David Boothe
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> >> I just don't believe the cars pull that hard to the
> >> left as they do in N4 and prefer the more subtle pull of NH.
> >
> >They do depending on the setup, I've driven one.
>
> stagger is minimal?
Yes depending on castor, camber, weight displacement and of course banking
of the track. You can take a regular street car down a road that is turtle
backed (it slopes down to both sides from the middle) and the car will pull
strongly to whatever side you're driving on. Stagger is only one factor to
the pull.
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>
> Yes depending on castor, camber, weight displacement and of course banking
> of the track. You can take a regular street car down a road that is turtle
> backed (it slopes down to both sides from the middle) and the car will pull
> strongly to whatever side you're driving on. Stagger is only one factor to
> the pull.
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The banking part is only true if the car is understeering, which a
street car usually is. A perfectly neutral car should demand zero
steering input on the straight banking, and an oversteering one actually
a steering input somewhat down the banking.
I do believe that in N4 this is mostly due to first stagger and then
camber effects.
-Gregor
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David Boothe
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> The banking part is only true if the car is understeering, which a
> street car usually is. A perfectly neutral car should demand zero
> steering input on the straight banking, and an oversteering one actually
> a steering input somewhat down the banking.
>
> I do believe that in N4 this is mostly due to first stagger and then
> camber effects.
I have yet to try and eliminate the left pull because I want the left pull
so I'm not sure which changes will create the most difference in N4. You are
right regarding an absolutely neutral car when it is up to speed. Even a
neutral car not up to speed will pull on a banked track. I do believe I
mentioned weight displacement as well. My point is... there are a lot of
factors that should make the car pull to the left and the cars do pull to
the left and pull hard on ovals. Stagger has probably the most influence,
proceeded by weight displacement, castor settings, camber settings and
banking (probably in that order).
I doubt the default setup for the road courses will have much pull at all.
David Boothe
been on sale for the last couple of days.... busy busy busy. I do have to
correct you in saying that in recent days, I've been buying for my
clients... haven't been selling much of anything (but I get paid in both
scenarios) <g>
How's the old stomping ground? Still a political forum or back to actually
discussing sim racing now that the N4 demo is on the proverbial "street"?
Dave
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> "Gregor Veble" <gregor...@uni-mb.si> wrote in message
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> > The banking part is only true if the car is understeering, which a
> >
> > I do believe that in N4 this is mostly due to first stagger and then
> > camber effects.
>
> I have yet to try and eliminate the left pull because I want the left pull
I find it interesting that we have been like a chorus here, all singing
one voice
about the need for realism in our sims. Yet when one basic tenant of that
song
is revealed...we have suddenly a bunch off key complaints.
Yes for those who grew up on Papy sims based on the ICR2/N2/3 engine, the
dramatic nature of the car's movement down the track even on a straight is
befuddling. But that is a basic part of realism. Find any tape from the
Indy 500. A track which has straights with a small amount of banking. When
a car is unchallenged and has full use of the track, watch how the driver
lets the car drift down towards the inside of the track after exiting a
turn. This is caused by the factors mentioned above about stagger and
camber etc. Now take that
drift from a relatively flat track and apply it to the more severe Dover
banking.(Just imagine how tough Bristol will be!)
We need to accept when 'reality' intrudes into our sim world, and we need
to
embrace ANY concept that improves our sim-racing.(so get back in the cockpit
all you tailgunners!)
dave henrie
David Boothe
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> Yes for those who grew up on Papy sims based on the ICR2/N2/3 engine,
the
> dramatic nature of the car's movement down the track even on a straight is
> befuddling. But that is a basic part of realism.
Kudos to Papy for doing a hell of a job!!! I think its awesome. Would be
better on a vid card with more muscle than the V3 <g>
Dave
Joe62
>I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good at all.
I have to agree. I can only assume this is more of a "technology test"
to work out compatibility bugs, and that the physics engine is not
fully tuned. I mean, the GPL 1967 F1 cars are more stable than the car
in N4. That doesn't seem right.
Joe McGinn
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Goy Larsen
David Boothe wrote:
>
> Goy, my favorite foreigner. How goes it? And yes.... The US Stock Market has
> been on sale for the last couple of days.... busy busy busy. I do have to
> correct you in saying that in recent days, I've been buying for my
> clients... haven't been selling much of anything (but I get paid in both
> scenarios) <g>
Life's a bitch eh ? :-)
Well, the drop in the IT market may have been to my benefit actually,
because the governmental Telecom company over here, Telenor, is heading
for the stock market and the IPO deadline has just past, and I just
learned that the IPO has been dropped from the 50-68 nkr range to the
42-46 range, so unless the market totally collapses, I really ought to
cash in on it as I signed up for the IPO a couple of day ago expecting
it to be in the upper range, and I've just gotten a discount, let's just
say that the next couple of weeks will be somewhat exciting .....
> How's the old stomping ground? Still a political forum or back to actually
> discussing sim racing now that the N4 demo is on the proverbial "street"?
Oh you know, it's now gone from the "The Demos are stealing the
election, no they're not, it's the Reps that won't let all votes count"
song to the "N4 rules, no it doesn't, NHeat is so much better".....
I don't know which I prefer, but it sure is entertaining, throw in the
odd personal attacks and it's business as usual :-)
David Boothe
>
>
> David Boothe wrote:
> Oh you know, it's now gone from the "The Demos are stealing the
> election, no they're not, it's the Reps that won't let all votes count"
> song to the "N4 rules, no it doesn't, NHeat is so much better".....
>
> I don't know which I prefer, but it sure is entertaining, throw in the
> odd personal attacks and it's business as usual :-)
LOL. Hey, about that IPO. Most IPO's peak in a day. If you know what day the
IPO takes place, I would take the day off and watch it like a hawk. Let it
shoot up (sometimes they don't) and then sell it when its peaking. Many
IPO's will take a HUGE surge as soon as they hit the market and then drop
drastically. Once they drop, they usually stay stagnant for a long time...
or grow at a more normal rate. The sharp rise comes from everyone buying the
stock as soon as it hits, then when everyone starts to cash in, it drops
just as fast. If you want to maximize the opportunity, take the day off and
watch it all day so you can unload when its peaking and make some money. You
can always buy it back later at the lower price and hold it for long term
growth. I don't believe in timing the market..... I only play this game with
IPO's because 90% of the time they come right back down..... and in many
cases fold before they ever get that high again.
So can we expect to see you on some ovals with the release of N4? <g>
Take care,
Dave
Goy Larsen
>
> So can we expect to see you on some ovals with the release of N4? <g>
On some, yes, I've always enjoyed Martinsville, working my way up from
the back was always fun, but I have a feeling that I'll spend most of my
time on road courses :-)
Alexpez
through the corners....
pez
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> "drinklime" <noth...@spam.com> wrote in message
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> > OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice." But
so
> > what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The physics
> are
> > close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most
likely
> > have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than
> Nascar
Larry
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> I'm not sure about N4 physics. I like Heat better. Maybe the fault is
> because I have just spent the last couple of months running GPL. I
expected
> better throttle response from N4. I have been running N4 at Michigan.
What
> I have been trying to achieve is a setup that would go loose from the
middle
> of turn 1&2 out. What I expected was a enough oomph to throw the rear end
> out exiting the turn. It almost feels like Papy dumbed down the physics
for
> N4. Maybe I'm expecting too much.
> Mike Grandy was kind enough to help me out. I can now turn 183 lap
speeds.
> But, I can't get the car loose from the middle out.
>
> Kurt
>
>
> "Johan N" <g...@speed-racer.com> wrote in message
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> > In article <3a268...@goliath.newsfeeds.com>, ton...@hotmail.com
> > says...
> > > I personally don't like the way the car drives. It doesn't feel good
at
> all.
> > > I prefer the Heat engine. Why is everyone so worried about getting up
in
> the
> > > air? That seems stupid to me. How can everyone keep saying improved
AI.
> > > There is only one car in my demo, did I get the wrong one or are you
> making
> > > this shit up? Maybe you are reading Papy's web site...
> > >
> > > drinklime <noth...@spam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:RJkV5.30078$nh5.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > > OK. I download the Nascar 4 demo, play it, say "Wow, this is nice."
> But so
> > > > what? How is Nascar 4 significantly better than Nascar Heat? The
> physics
> > > are
> > > > close enough, and Heat has better graphics. Now, yea, N4 will most
> likely
> > > > have better AI, but most of the things that are gonna be better than
> > > Nascar
> > > > Heat are going to be only because they had all the extra time. So
yea,
> > > > Nascar 4 is good and all, but it's really not much different than
> Nascar
> > > > Heat. At least I think so...... flame away.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
Larry
-Larry
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> "Gregor Veble" <gregor...@uni-mb.si> wrote in message
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> > The banking part is only true if the car is understeering, which a
> > street car usually is. A perfectly neutral car should demand zero
> > steering input on the straight banking, and an oversteering one actually
> > a steering input somewhat down the banking.
> >
> > I do believe that in N4 this is mostly due to first stagger and then
> > camber effects.
>
> I have yet to try and eliminate the left pull because I want the left pull
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Larry
We all want realism. But it's a simple fact of life that not _everything_
real transfers into a Sim well.
There are things that cannot be controlled. Different controllers,
different systems, etc...
For some, especially those without FF wheels, the left-pull is going to be a
considerable problem due to the return-to-center springs/bungies.
IMHO, and this is NOT an invite for a flame war, I personally do not believe
the pull-to-the-left 'realism' transfers well to a SIM. It is annoying and
it is going to wreak havoc in online-gaming.
At the very least, Papyrus should put in a Trim tab, like the folks at MGI
did for Heat when people expressed their opinions and concerns.
From what I've read in a recent interview, though, they aren't giving this
much thought. Too bad :(
-Larry
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> > "Gregor Veble" <gregor...@uni-mb.si> wrote in message
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> > > The banking part is only true if the car is understeering, which a
> {snips...}
> > >
> > > I do believe that in N4 this is mostly due to first stagger and then
> > > camber effects.
> >
> > I have yet to try and eliminate the left pull because I want the left
pull
> {more snips}
> I find it interesting that we have been like a chorus here, all singing
> one voice
> about the need for realism in our sims. Yet when one basic tenant of that
> song
> is revealed...we have suddenly a bunch off key complaints.
> Yes for those who grew up on Papy sims based on the ICR2/N2/3 engine,
the
> dramatic nature of the car's movement down the track even on a straight is
Dave Casey
>did for Heat when people expressed their opinions and concerns.
I'm so damn tired of hearing idiots say put this in or put that in because
it's in Heat. You want to race Heat then race Heat. Let Papy put out a sim
that's NOT Heat. I can't understand people who want every game to be just
like someone elses' game. I've raced Heat and couldn't stand it. I'll take
N4 over Heat any day. But you will never hear me say make Heat more like N4.
Dave Casey
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Rogers
opinion. The graphics to me in Heat look
cartoonish.
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Tim
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Rogers
Thats nonsense , what Papy wanted Nascar Racing 4
to be an Arcade game like Heat? Thats BOLD.
Back your statement with fact..
ymenard
>You mean like this?
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> Funny, some of the reasons Papy delayed N4 were from what they saw in Heat
I don't recall somebody from Papyrus saying such thing. Anyway we all know
that N4 is far beyond what Papyrus is aiming for compared to NHeat.
Dave Henrie
> > Funny, some of the reasons Papy delayed N4 were from what they saw in >>
Heat
>
> I don't recall somebody from Papyrus saying such thing. Anyway we all
know
> that N4 is far beyond what Papyrus is aiming for compared to NHeat.
>
N4 was originally scheduled to be released last year. ( I forget if the
original date was in the summer but most likely Xmas 2k) If the date was
Summer '00 then I believe that date was bogus. Why? Nascar Heat did NOT
want to go
head to head with N4. N4 is a known product from a known stable. Even if
Heat were superior, it would still lose in the consumer's mind as a "me too"
product. So the Hasbro producers saw the listed release date of N4 and, for
business reasons, knew they had to be the first to the market.
The result, as we've seen with many other titles lately(Ultima 9, F12k)
was the release of an unfinished product. Hasbro blinked and rushed Heat
out the door. Sierra chuckled to themselves and THEN announced the REAL
release date.(which, if you think back to last year's Daytona race, should
have been obvious)
All the above is merely MY speculation and is NOT supported by any facts,
only my interpretation of how events have unfolded.
dave henrie
Rogers
Tom Oliver
significant revenue since N2 and to miss Christmas had to hurt. Plus giving
the market to Heat and timing a Daytona release just doesn't make any sense
to me.
I think they just got behind for whatever reason and had to slip. From what
I understand the demo was from a date that would have been pretty close to
the Gold date for a Christmas release and you can tell they were still
pretty far off from shipping if that's the case.
The truth is they are just really, really bad at getting anything out on
time. Don't forget this was suppose to ship as N3.
Tom
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markgame
cleansing. I think they can expect to make some real money on this
project, but it won't help if they get a lot of bad press for problems
that they really did have time to find and fix.
In article <955sku$g06$0...@216.39.136.159>,
"Tom Oliver" <tomolre...@oz.net> wrote:
> Not a horrible theory except Papy hasn't released a product that's
made
> significant revenue since N2 and to miss Christmas had to hurt. Plus
giving
> the market to Heat and timing a Daytona release just doesn't make any
sense
> to me.
>
> I think they just got behind for whatever reason and had to slip. From
what
> I understand the demo was from a date that would have been pretty
close to
> the Gold date for a Christmas release and you can tell they were still
> pretty far off from shipping if that's the case.
>
> The truth is they are just really, really bad at getting anything out
on
> time. Don't forget this was suppose to ship as N3.
>
> Tom
>
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EldredP
<hen...@home.com> writes:
> The result, as we've seen with many other titles lately(Ultima 9, F12k)
>was the release of an unfinished product. Hasbro blinked and rushed Heat
>out the door. Sierra chuckled to themselves and THEN announced the REAL
>release date.(which, if you think back to last year's Daytona race, should
>have been obvious)
What did last year's race show?
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>Not a horrible theory except Papy hasn't released a product that's made
>significant revenue since N2 and to miss Christmas had to hurt. Plus giving
>the market to Heat and timing a Daytona release just doesn't make any sense
>to me.
Not really a problem. They probably know that there is a HUGE number of gamers
who wil buy the program anyway. It doesn't matter if it's Christmas, Easter,
or July 4th...<g>
Remember, they had/have people reading these groups, too. They *know* it will
sell well.
Tim
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Dave Henrie
> >have been obvious)
>
> What did last year's race show?
>
> Eldred
several things...a) they FINALLY got Daytona, b) they learned from EA that
the START of a season is the best time to release a sports title.
dave henrie