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Mario Petrinovic
Aug 30, 2012, 2:43:11 PM8/30/12
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Jesus Christ, another one.
"steeringFFBSmooth" should be 0.5. More than that, and forces are
too sharp. Less than that, and counter-forces prevail.
Jesus Christ, those people at iRacing just boosted everything they
saw up in the sky, without actually knowing what they are doing. Forces have
to be BALANCED. For example, with too sharp forces car turns into corner too
sharply. Simple as that. This isn't natural. This is why people have to
drive around with the strength of force of only 1%. When you don't know what
you are doing, you think that if you boost everything up, that you will have
the better feel for everything. Well, this isn't so, and this DOESN'T work
that way.
BTW, no, I don't have Fanatec wheel, I have Logitech G27. They said
that this setting is the adjustement for Fanatec wheels. My god, they don't
know a thing. It should be at 0.5, no matter what wheel you have.
"steeringFFBSmooth" should be 0.5. More than that, and forces are
too sharp. Less than that, and counter-forces prevail.
Jesus Christ, those people at iRacing just boosted everything they
saw up in the sky, without actually knowing what they are doing. Forces have
to be BALANCED. For example, with too sharp forces car turns into corner too
sharply. Simple as that. This isn't natural. This is why people have to
drive around with the strength of force of only 1%. When you don't know what
you are doing, you think that if you boost everything up, that you will have
the better feel for everything. Well, this isn't so, and this DOESN'T work
that way.
BTW, no, I don't have Fanatec wheel, I have Logitech G27. They said
that this setting is the adjustement for Fanatec wheels. My god, they don't
know a thing. It should be at 0.5, no matter what wheel you have.
Mario Petrinovic
Aug 30, 2012, 2:46:59 PM8/30/12
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Mario Petrinovic:
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Oh also, it looks like Centering Spring should be at 50%. So, this
is what should be the default:
100/100/100/50
in-game 40.0/50
steeringFFBLinearForce=1
steeringFFBSmooth=0.500000
Oh also, it looks like Centering Spring should be at 50%. So, this
is what should be the default:
100/100/100/50
in-game 40.0/50
steeringFFBLinearForce=1
steeringFFBSmooth=0.500000
Mario Petrinovic
Aug 31, 2012, 4:04:27 PM8/31/12
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Mario Petrinovic:
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New development:
Well, after I've set the "steeringFFBSmooth" to 0.5, it turned out
that NOW (with 0.5) Centering Spring likes to be at 100%. So, now it turned
out that the default Logitech driver settings (100/100/100/100) are alright.
Then, when I changed Overall, it turned out that Centering Spring
likes to be at the same value as Overall (with Damper and Spring at 100%).
In the future I will test if probably the formula CS = O * (D/S) is
alright. Where CS is Centering Spring, O is Overall, D is Damper, and S is
Spring. This means that Centering Spring is, Overall times Damper/Spring
(this means Damper and Spring at the same value).
New development:
Well, after I've set the "steeringFFBSmooth" to 0.5, it turned out
that NOW (with 0.5) Centering Spring likes to be at 100%. So, now it turned
out that the default Logitech driver settings (100/100/100/100) are alright.
Then, when I changed Overall, it turned out that Centering Spring
likes to be at the same value as Overall (with Damper and Spring at 100%).
In the future I will test if probably the formula CS = O * (D/S) is
alright. Where CS is Centering Spring, O is Overall, D is Damper, and S is
Spring. This means that Centering Spring is, Overall times Damper/Spring
(this means Damper and Spring at the same value).
Mario Petrinovic
Sep 1, 2012, 4:40:02 PM9/1/12
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Mario Petrinovic:
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Hm, interesting things are happening, now that I've set FFB Smooth
to 0.5. Now, it looks like in-game damper at 100 is working (at FFB Smooth =
1, Damper at 100 is simply too dampy), and the best it is working if
Logitech driver Spring, Damper and Centering Spring are set to 50%.
Actually, in-game damper now is working nicely through its whole range
(in-game range), if those three (S, D and CS) are set to 50%.
Hm, I'll have to test more of this.
Hm, interesting things are happening, now that I've set FFB Smooth
to 0.5. Now, it looks like in-game damper at 100 is working (at FFB Smooth =
1, Damper at 100 is simply too dampy), and the best it is working if
Logitech driver Spring, Damper and Centering Spring are set to 50%.
Actually, in-game damper now is working nicely through its whole range
(in-game range), if those three (S, D and CS) are set to 50%.
Hm, I'll have to test more of this.
Mario Petrinovic
Sep 2, 2012, 8:52:51 AM9/2/12
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No, this is the wrong way.
Now I have 100/100/100/122, in-game 40.0/50.
"The secret" is in adjusting the Centering Spring. It has to be at
122% on my system.
Now I still have some slack. Probably I'll get rid of it by rising
Overall. I also have to determine (some other day) if rising Overall will
change the position of Centering Spring.
Mario Petrinovic
Sep 3, 2012, 8:59:50 PM9/3/12
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Hm, interesting development happened. (I still didn't thoroughly
test this, but probably this theory holds water.)
First I had 100/100/100/122. 122 is good position if Overall is 100.
Then I put Centering Spring to 100, and now Overall of 104 was the best.
Well, I figured out that Centering Spring is compensation for
wrongly set Overall. So, I figured out that for every 1% of wrong Overall
you have to correct for 5.5% of Centering Spring (22 / 4 = 5.5). So, I
wanted to calculate what Overall would work if Centering Spring is 0%. It
turned out that for this, Overall should be 122%. So, I tried it out, and it
worked. So, the correct setting should be 122/100/100/0, for me, on my
system.
Now I only have to thoroughly test different combinations, to see if
this is true.
Mario Petrinovic
Sep 5, 2012, 5:08:25 PM9/5/12
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No, this was wrnog path.
It looks like you have to adjust independetly Overall and Centering
Spring. I liked Overall at 128, and with this Overall, Centering Spring of
122 worked well.
So, now I have 128/100/100/122. I didn't test it all through,
though, so maybe few % up or down with Overall. Centering Spring is probably
alright.
Interestingly, the last setting I had with build 1 of iRacing was
127/100/100/127. And it worked well. Then came build 2, and everything was a
mess, suddenly. Thankfully, now I adjusted that FFBSmooth and linearity, and
everything is well again.
Mario Petrinovic
Sep 10, 2012, 3:53:20 PM9/10/12
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Ha, ha, it turned out that Overall should be 139. Over and over
again I am getting that 139, and now againg 139.
So, it should be 139/100/100/122.
iRacing has some problems with its servers, so, too bad that I
couldn't finish testing all the way through, today. I'll confirm "the
finding" some other day.
Michael R Sisson
Sep 12, 2012, 9:25:16 PM9/12/12
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Mario Petrinovic
Sep 14, 2012, 4:59:12 AM9/14/12
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Ok, 122 for Centering Spring was wrong. I determined it when I had
Overall at 100%, so 122% of Centering Spring was probably the compensation
for wrong Overall. Centering Spring should be at its default value of 100%.
So, this is what I have: 139/100/100/100.
Everything on the default, except for Overall, which definitely
should be set properly.
Now I only have to set "cockpitLookDeadZone", which for my system is
around 0.0446 (iRacing's default is 0.05).
So, what is needed for "the right" FFB?
1) Calibrate wheel properly. This means, work out wheel and pedals
before calibrating, calibrate wheel so that the middle is 8191, and the left
is 900 deg (if 900 deg is set in Logitech drivers)
2) Correct perspective (FOV and screen hight)
3) In app.ini set linearity to 1, FFBSmooth to 0.5, and set the
correct latency ("cockpitLookDeadZone")
4) In Logitech drivers uncheck "Allow game to adjust settings", and
set the right Overall
5) In-game put strength to max (40.0), and Damper to middle (50)
Mario Petrinovic
Sep 15, 2012, 5:36:39 PM9/15/12
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Mario Petrinovic:
Well, this thing with "cockpitLookDeadZone" is wrong. It just adds
dead zone to whole thing, nothing else. It is true, it is possible to match
latency with that dead zone, bud this only helps with cars with soft
suspension. In essence, it just adds dead zone, and this is always wrong.
This "cockpitLookDeadZone" should be "0".
But now other things don't work. It looks like I will have to
readjust Overall.
See you when I finish testing that, : ).
Ok, 122 for Centering Spring was wrong. I determined it when I had
Overall at 100%, so 122% of Centering Spring was probably the compensation
for wrong Overall. Centering Spring should be at its default value of 100%.
So, this is what I have: 139/100/100/100.
Everything on the default, except for Overall, which definitely
should be set properly.
Now I only have to set "cockpitLookDeadZone", which for my system is
around 0.0446 (iRacing's default is 0.05).
So, what is needed for "the right" FFB?
1) Calibrate wheel properly. This means, work out wheel and pedals
before calibrating, calibrate wheel so that the middle is 8191, and the left
is 900 deg (if 900 deg is set in Logitech drivers)
2) Correct perspective (FOV and screen hight)
3) In app.ini set linearity to 1, FFBSmooth to 0.5, and set the
correct latency ("cockpitLookDeadZone")
4) In Logitech drivers uncheck "Allow game to adjust settings", and
set the right Overall
5) In-game put strength to max (40.0), and Damper to middle (50)
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Overall at 100%, so 122% of Centering Spring was probably the compensation
for wrong Overall. Centering Spring should be at its default value of 100%.
So, this is what I have: 139/100/100/100.
Everything on the default, except for Overall, which definitely
should be set properly.
Now I only have to set "cockpitLookDeadZone", which for my system is
around 0.0446 (iRacing's default is 0.05).
So, what is needed for "the right" FFB?
1) Calibrate wheel properly. This means, work out wheel and pedals
before calibrating, calibrate wheel so that the middle is 8191, and the left
is 900 deg (if 900 deg is set in Logitech drivers)
2) Correct perspective (FOV and screen hight)
3) In app.ini set linearity to 1, FFBSmooth to 0.5, and set the
correct latency ("cockpitLookDeadZone")
4) In Logitech drivers uncheck "Allow game to adjust settings", and
set the right Overall
5) In-game put strength to max (40.0), and Damper to middle (50)
Well, this thing with "cockpitLookDeadZone" is wrong. It just adds
dead zone to whole thing, nothing else. It is true, it is possible to match
latency with that dead zone, bud this only helps with cars with soft
suspension. In essence, it just adds dead zone, and this is always wrong.
This "cockpitLookDeadZone" should be "0".
But now other things don't work. It looks like I will have to
readjust Overall.
See you when I finish testing that, : ).
Mario Petrinovic
Oct 2, 2012, 6:39:30 AM10/2/12
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Mario Petrinovic:
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Few corrections.
First, FFBSmooth should be at 1.000000.
Second, in-game Damper should be at 100.
Third, you have to find the correct Centering Spring (mine is 122%).
Fourth, the default Spring and Damper should be 50%.
So, now I have 100/50/50/122. In-game 40.0/100.
My cockpitLookDeadZone matched with latency is 0.044599. I prefer to
use 0.000000 though, but at "0" I have slack because of latency. I'll try to
find a way around it. Possibly to rise Logitech driver's Damper, I'll see.
Few corrections.
First, FFBSmooth should be at 1.000000.
Second, in-game Damper should be at 100.
Third, you have to find the correct Centering Spring (mine is 122%).
Fourth, the default Spring and Damper should be 50%.
So, now I have 100/50/50/122. In-game 40.0/100.
My cockpitLookDeadZone matched with latency is 0.044599. I prefer to
use 0.000000 though, but at "0" I have slack because of latency. I'll try to
find a way around it. Possibly to rise Logitech driver's Damper, I'll see.
Tony R
Oct 4, 2012, 2:57:33 AM10/4/12
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On 02/10/2012 11:39, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> Few corrections.
> First, FFBSmooth should be at 1.000000.
Humble pie for tea again, eh Mario? ;)
> Few corrections.
> First, FFBSmooth should be at 1.000000.
Mario Petrinovic
Oct 4, 2012, 12:37:37 PM10/4/12
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Tony R:
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Well, I am always wrong. I can tell that this is much better to be
than always right.
At least I discovered what was wrong all that time.
"cockpitLookDeadZone is a wrong conception to fight latency. The fact that
iRacing has it at 0.5 messed thngs up a lot for me. Right now I am testing
Damper/Spring or Centering Spring, to fight latency.
BTW, now I am at, like, higher Spring/Damper (right now I have them
at 100%), but Overall lower than 100% instead. It looks like the right
philosophy.
Well, I am always wrong. I can tell that this is much better to be
than always right.
At least I discovered what was wrong all that time.
"cockpitLookDeadZone is a wrong conception to fight latency. The fact that
iRacing has it at 0.5 messed thngs up a lot for me. Right now I am testing
Damper/Spring or Centering Spring, to fight latency.
BTW, now I am at, like, higher Spring/Damper (right now I have them
at 100%), but Overall lower than 100% instead. It looks like the right
philosophy.
Mario Petrinovic
Oct 10, 2012, 1:52:31 AM10/10/12
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Mario Petrinovic:
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No. It possibly could be better to start with the Logitech driver's
default, but put in-game damper on 50 instead. I'll see.
No. It possibly could be better to start with the Logitech driver's
default, but put in-game damper on 50 instead. I'll see.
Mario Petrinovic
Oct 10, 2012, 11:42:54 AM10/10/12
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Mario Petrinovic:
Mario Petrinovic:
Hm, that was wrong. In-game sliders should be left at their max
values, at lower values they introduce some lag into system.
So, the default Logitech driver settings should actually be
100/100/50/100.
Mario Petrinovic:
BTW, now I am at, like, higher Spring/Damper (right now I have them
at 100%), but Overall lower than 100% instead. It looks like the right
philosophy.
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No. It possibly could be better to start with the Logitech driver's
default, but put in-game damper on 50 instead. I'll see.
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at 100%), but Overall lower than 100% instead. It looks like the right
philosophy.
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No. It possibly could be better to start with the Logitech driver's
default, but put in-game damper on 50 instead. I'll see.
Hm, that was wrong. In-game sliders should be left at their max
values, at lower values they introduce some lag into system.
So, the default Logitech driver settings should actually be
100/100/50/100.
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