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SV

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Jun 21, 2001, 9:46:07 PM6/21/01
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Hello

I've had 2 VW's an 88 Fox and an 86 Jetta GL, I currently have a 2001 Jetta
GLX.

The paint quality on this car is of very low quality, my car is 2 months old
and I hate to imagine what it will look like in 6 months.
The car color is black and it had scratches that reach a level of white
primer I guess, these scratches can be caused by a finger nail.

I wash the car by hand and the amount of scratches on the car is INSANE for
a car that cost over 25k.

I've owned 2 older VW's a Toyota and a BMW and none of the mention cars
paint behaved in this way.
I was told that the chemical make-up of the paint being used now is made
differently to meet EPA specs.

I've searched the web and I've found numerous complaints from owners
regarding the paint qualilty.


Sorry for the long read.

Has anyone experienced the same problems?????


Respond to newsgroup or buzz...@yahoo.com

Thanks

T Berk

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Jun 24, 2001, 6:16:51 AM6/24/01
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Most paint these days is water based is what I hear. Less volatiles to
kill the ozone layer.

Not to be a wise guy but are you waxing this car after you wash it? Is
it a good quality Carnuba based wax?

TBerk

Scott

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Jun 27, 2001, 1:27:41 PM6/27/01
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You failed to mention how the scratches got on the car. Was it due to
waxing or
some other factor. Paint on "new" cars is supposed to be very thin.
Only 1 or two base coats with a clear coat to protect the base. Since
today's auto paints
are generally water based they aren't as durable in some respects but
are better
than older single stage paints. If your car is excessively chipping,
bubbling or has surface defects I'd take it up with the VW rep.
Surface scratches that extend beyond the clear coat are another matter
which is pretty much your responsibility (ie damage, poor
washing/waxing techniques).

Gold Top

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Jun 27, 2001, 4:08:14 PM6/27/01
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SV <s...@ezzi.net> a écrit :
Yes. I have a 2001 Tornado Red. I went to get touch up paint but they were
out of stock. I wonder if it's because og the demand.

I have three itty bitty scratches. They all went passed the red and into the black.
A door ding shredded it. Red is supposed to have the most pigments, and stronger.

The paint on this Jetta is the weakest I ever seen.

Goes right along with the crappy cloth seats.

Lo

Gold Top

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Jun 27, 2001, 4:15:58 PM6/27/01
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Scott <sti...@swbell.net> a écrit :


I take care of my paint. I have had hundreds of painted cars in my life time.
The Jetta paint job is weaker than brake dust on a brake pad speeding down Wolf Creek Pass.
What do you take us for, an amateur such as yourself?

LO

Aaron Hirshberg

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Jul 6, 2001, 4:49:30 PM7/6/01
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lo...@bizops.austin.com (Gold Top) wrote in message news:<slrn9jkfr7...@bizops.austin.com>...

This is too bad. My 75 Rabbitt had a good paint job, and good
rustproofing. Part of the car was repainted after a wreck. But, when
the car was 12 years old, the original paint still looked excellent,
and the rustproofing on the part of the car that wasn't damaged in the
wreck and repainted was still good.

My 87 Jetta has been outdoors in Massachusetts for 14 years and only
has a little rust in one wheel well. The paint still looks good,
except for the peeling clearcoat.

I guess VW has gone down. This is a shame.

Aaron Hirshberg
75 Rabbitt
87 Jetta
> LO

Joe

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Jul 6, 2001, 6:00:05 PM7/6/01
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VW has not gone down! I've owned around 30 vw's from the first 66 beetle in
66 to my latest 99.5 a4 jetta tdi! The worst paint was on my 78 german
rabbit. The paint on my jetta is very shiney and seems soft, a rag with grit
on it will scratch it, but it's easy to work them out. The paint is as good
as ever and is much glossier!

Joe

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TransFixed

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Jul 7, 2001, 3:09:57 AM7/7/01
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Aaron Hirshberg wrote:
>
> I guess VW has gone down. This is a shame.
>

You don't really want to make a statement like this based on a single
complaint?

When my '00 Passat and a newish Mazda rubbed in a store parking lot, I
came off with a dime-sized spot where the paint had worn off. In
addition, I had several inches of paint on my car that was not mine.
Guess what, the Mazda had lost its paint over a stretch of 20" or so. I
thought my car had great paint, in comparison!

- D.

Dr. Riddim

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Jul 7, 2001, 4:10:41 AM7/7/01
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My '85 Cabriolet has horrible paint. The clearcoat peeled off in some
places and just plain disappeared in others. The paint that's left looks
like flat black primer with occasional patches where the light grey prime
coat show through. It's got less than 100K on it and it's been kept outside
all its life. It was regularly washed and waxed before the paint started to
go about 7 or 8 years ago. I had complained about the quality of the paint
almost from the day I bought the car and neither the dealer nor VWOA had any
interest in making it right.

Doc

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Bruce D. Stansel

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Jul 7, 2001, 6:49:27 AM7/7/01
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I have a Tornado Red '97 Jetta GT and the paint is OK in places and horrible
in others. The passenger side C pillar is the worst. It almost appears
that the paint was simply sprayed too thin. The dealer seems to think that
it is the soap (?) I use, but I have always used car specific detergent and
not dishwashing soap. The front of the car looks terrible from rock chips -
many, many white spots where the paint has completely come off down to the
primer. This car only has 43,000 miles on it and I am the only owner.
Otherwise this car has been flawless but I am severely disappointed in the
paint. I had always heard that the VW's assembled in Germany had paint that
was tough as nails, unfortunately my car was built in Mexico.

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Brian Shafer

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Jul 8, 2001, 12:25:40 PM7/8/01
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Take a close look at any new car today. You will defects in the paint on
almost any vehicle. I use to work on the paint line, I know. We tried not to
let it pass in the line, but I am sure some did. When I was looking at cars
that is the first thing I looked at, and it pretty hard not to find a one
without defects. I have several paint defects in my new Jetta TDI, should
the manufacturer pay for the cost of a new paint job? To try and fix most
defects would only make them look worse.
What are some general thoughts on how a manufacture could handle this?
I would be interested to know?
Brian Shafer

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Ken Bolinsky

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Jul 8, 2001, 2:41:44 PM7/8/01
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Robotized painting systems seem to do a very nice job.

--

Ken Bolinsky
http://www.kerbe.com

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J.Minor

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Jul 18, 2001, 11:39:50 AM7/18/01
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Thats strange. I have a 2001 GTI with the Mojave Beige paint. That
paing is like rock, very firm. Maybe it depends on the color?
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