What's so great about the TDI?
TOE
Everyone loves their TDI's and they seem to be so desireable. People
swear they will never go back to gas and have always had diesels
throughout the years etc etc... But why?! If I don't care about gas
mileage, why would I even consider one?
My sister has a New Jetta TDI and I found nothing exciting about it.
I like my New Jetta and New Beetle better.
What gives? I just want to know what I'm missing.
TOE
me (noah)
diesel is also cheaper in lots of places its also fairly unique
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George C. Mantis
>
> low end torque, durability and the long range, mileage is a plus for most,
> diesel is also cheaper in lots of places its also fairly unique
>
Amen to that. Here in Atlanta, Diesel prices/gallon are exactly midway between
87-octane gas and 89-octane gas - MUCH cheaper than the 93 so many VW's require
(or at least strongly desire).
I was hoping to find a TDI 5-speed myself, but hardly found any TDI's (and all
I did find were automatic). Not that I exactly "settled" for the
thirsty-for-premium VR6 in my GTI, mind you :)
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turbo Golf instead of the TDI. It was very zippy and responsive. But at 31
mpg, it gets worse milage than my '92 Honda Civic. I like my TDI a lot:
powerful, frugal and responsive enough. I've had it less than a month,
though.
Roger Brown
> If I don't care about gas mileage, why would I even consider one?
Maybe you should care! Less fuel burned per mile is less CO2 in the air, less
money out of your wallet, etc.
"George C. Mantis" wrote:
> Amen to that. Here in Atlanta, Diesel prices/gallon are exactly midway between
> 87-octane gas and 89-octane gas - MUCH cheaper than the 93 so many VW's require
> (or at least strongly desire).
>
> I was hoping to find a TDI 5-speed myself, but hardly found any TDI's (and all
> I did find were automatic). Not that I exactly "settled" for the
> thirsty-for-premium VR6 in my GTI, mind you :)
Out in sunny California, diesel $1.59/gal, 87 unleaded, $1.91 or more. I'm
liking my (non-TDI) VW diesel nowadays :-)
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"Ken Sternberg" <kster...@acm.org> wrote in message
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> If fuel milage were not a factor for me, I might have bought the 1.8 gas
> turbo Golf instead of the TDI. It was very zippy and responsive. But at 31
> mpg, it gets worse milage than my '92 Honda Civic.
yah but your civic doesn't get 150hp :)
Carter Fields
power. If you want those characteristics (good acceleration and
horsepower), you wouldn't even want to consider the car. People are in love
with it because it gets great gas mileage and diesel costs less. Who cares
about that if you really don't put on that many miles. And don't let people
play the environmental thing on you because diesels still emit more
particulate matter than gasoline engines and these particulates cause health
problems. I'll dig up the link to the research if anyone is interested.
-Carter
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Ingo Braune
>
> TOE, you ask a very good question. The TDI is a wimp on acceleration and
> power. If you want those characteristics (good acceleration and
> horsepower), you wouldn't even want to consider the car.
If you only compare the models available in the US you are right. But if
you compare models with the same horsepower like:
1.6 100HP gas / 100 HP TDI PD you would see the difference, of course a
90 HP TDI is weaker than the 1.8T, but the 1.8T (150 HP) will hardly
keep up with the 130 HP TDI PD in street driving (as long as you don't
hit the top speed range of course).
Ingo
Slaven Karalic
you get good performance and great fuel economy also...
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Carter Fields
more smoking and particulates). This weakens the benefit of
"environmentally friendly" even further.
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JeffD
unchipped, there are ways of solving the particulate emissions. Most of the
problem is the crappy diesel fuel we get here in the US. Europe is light
years ahead. Having the gov't mandate Ultra Low Sulpher Diesel would
virtually solve that and the NOx emissions. Even today though, a mixture of
80% dino diesel, 20% biodiesel does wonders! And biodiesel can be made from
a number of renewable sources (soy beans, filtertered fryer waste oil!)
Check out Fred's TDIClub site (http://www.tdiclub.com) and also
http://www.biodiesel.org/
for more info than you probably care to read.
Jeff D
soon to be '00 Golf GLS TDI owner
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Carter Fields
fuel in the US and so we still have to deal with particulates. Sure, laws
and new fuel would be great, but we have particulates now and the chip
question/answer was based on CURRENT situations.
-Carter.
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Russ Ashworth
the size of house dust) that the lungs can handle. In the gasoline the fuel is
reburned in the catalytic converter which produces much smaller particles that
get much further into the lungs and get stuck. Except here in Canada where our
gas has between 300-800 ppm sulpher content so the cat cons don't work at all
after a few months.. Diesel is around 30ppm. Go figure.
Russ.
Arthur Russell
for the particulate? I know they exist since I helped a friend install
one on an cogenerator for his house (burns home heating oil, and runs an
alternator for electricity and warms incoming water as an assist to a
conventional hot water heater)
Upon starting the cat is cold, and it acts only as a trap. Once a few
minutes of run time have allowed it to get up to temperature, it's core
acts as a catalyst for the soot. I know it reduces particulate (the
black smoke) greatly, but I don't know what it does with sulfur content.
Maybe an automotive version isn't practical. Anyone know more about
these?
-Arthur
Carter Fields wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info Jeff, but the fact remains that we still get "crappy"
> fuel in the US and so we still have to deal with particulates. Sure, laws
> and new fuel would be great, but we have particulates now and the chip
> question/answer was based on CURRENT situations.
>
> -Carter.
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sd
<a...@NOSPAMbellatlantic.net> wrote:
> So, has anyone experimented with a catalytic convertor for their diesel
> for the particulate? [snip]
>
> Maybe an automotive version isn't practical. Anyone know more about
> these?
I know a couple of years ago Peugeot (and Volvo?) were looking at a
pyrolizer which would collect soot and periodically "fire" to burn it
off. Haven't had time to pursue what happened to the idea.
MK
surrounding) are varying all over the map right now, from $1.95 (BP premium)
to $1.76 (Citgo premium). If you want the Speedway crap it's even cheaper.
(BTW, the BP and Citgo are both 93 octane)
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BZ
cared about gas mileage? their is some great roads your missing oh ya the
handling (17" rims, sport shocks and strut stabilizer and don't forget Pilot
tires) Hang On
Driver Found
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Alden Cates
"BZ" <zapp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Go up a steep hill in 5th gear in any other 4 banger, and if you have never
> cared about gas mileage? their is some great roads your missing oh ya the
> handling (17" rims, sport shocks and strut stabilizer and don't forget Pilot
> tires) Hang On
>
>
> Driver Found
The 1.8T has 155ft-lbs from 1,950-4,500 - 50rpm higher for the peak torque
compared to the TDI so the 5th gear acceleration might be very very similar if
not identical.
Alden
Almus Kenter
: As I understand it the particulates that the diesel produces are bigger (more
: the size of house dust) that the lungs can handle. In the gasoline the fuel is
: reburned in the catalytic converter which produces much smaller particles that
: get much further into the lungs and get stuck. Except here in Canada where our
: gas has between 300-800 ppm sulpher content so the cat cons don't work at all
: after a few months.. Diesel is around 30ppm. Go figure.
: Russ.
Actually I think diesel particulates are of the nasty size for your lungs...
too small for your cilia to deal with.
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