Add-on Oil sumps
Mel P.
it'll help in lubrication, cooling and adding a little insurance in those
two things.
Would the 1.5 qt be good enough? What are the drawbacks, besides having the
engine 'lower' to the ground? Will that cause problems?
--
Mel P.
(77 'Revived' Bug)
Eric and Allison
clamp on tube.
Eric
59 bug
00 bug
TQuan
it starts to get dinged up from hitting the ground. Once it gets hit it
starts to leak. I also wear out the drain plug sometimes. If you car
isn't to low its not a problem though. BTW, for the extension tube I
welded mine with the engine apart. Has anyone done this with the engine
together in the car.
-Terry
John Kelly
The decrease in oil temp is minimal. The main reason for a sump is if you
accelerate faster than stock, to keep from starving the oil pump. I fabricated
a sump guard from flat bar to protect mine. I did not weld the extension tube
on, and it has never fallen apart. It might be best to weld it just in case.
Check out the 1-1/2 qt. unit from Gene Berg. A very nice piece.
Cheers, John
www.ghiaspecialties.com
John Connolly
has less air in it (stock only had 2.5 quarts). If you corner or accellerate
hard, you MUST have one.
Mel P. <mper...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:86lgh1$gtd$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
Kafertoys
is your oil changes are going to cost a few dollars more.
Allan Williams
oil, so it takes longer to get hot. They also help with oil starvation on
hard cornering.
If your engine runs hot now, it will with the sump - it will just take
longer to heat up because there is more oil to heat. If the sump is
efficient at cooling the oil, then it might help to a small degree, but only
when the car is moving at speed.
I use an "extended" sump plate to help with my starvation probs.
--
Allan :-)
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/downs/9040/
"How do I set my laser printer on stun?"
----------------------------------->
Mel P. <mper...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:86lgh1$gtd$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
> Are these any good? They increase the amount of oil, so I'd think that
> it'll help in lubrication, cooling and adding a little insurance in those
> two things.
>
> Would the 1.5 qt be good enough? What are the drawbacks, besides having
the
> engine 'lower' to the ground? Will that cause problems?
>
Joe Cali - Next Generation
and easy to do. Check out my site and look at my engine rear view and you
will see it. Some places sell extender kits.
my site http://home.att.net/~nextgen see photos.
Joe
Allan Williams <allanw...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<86lsd3$j8l$1...@news.ihug.co.nz>...
G.W. East
series of baffles in the oil sump. I'll assume this is to help with oil
starvation during hard cornering, has anyone ever tried baffling a T1 sump ?
--
Till the Next Time,
G.W. East
http://www.matnet.com/~gwsvws
"Allan Williams" <allanw...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:86lsd3$j8l$1...@news.ihug.co.nz...
Earle Horton
shipping.
Earle Horton
Fort Collins, Colorado
VolksFiend
>shipping.
>
>Earle Horton
>Fort Collins, Colorado
...I do if she doesn't...::chuckles::...but I suppose that wasn't an open
offer...
...Gareth
Gregg Holmes
my zip is 98003 let me know how much shipping is
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> If you want a Gene Berg 1.5 quart sump it's yours for the price of
> shipping.
>
> Earle Horton
> Fort Collins, Colorado
>
Earle Horton
Gregg. Thanks to everyone else who expressed interest. I wish it was
as easy to sell stuff as it is to give it away!
Earle Horton
Fort Collins/Silverton, Colorado
VolksFiend
>Gregg gets the sump for being first to reply. Send me your address,
>Gregg. Thanks to everyone else who expressed interest. I wish it was
>as easy to sell stuff as it is to give it away!
>
>Earle Horton
...so Gregg how much do you want to sell your new sump for :)
...Gareth
Jim
John Connolly wrote:
>
> sumps don't help cooling, but they do provide a constant source of oil that
> has less air in it (stock only had 2.5 quarts). If you corner or accellerate
> hard, you MUST have one.
>
> John
> http://www.aircooled.net
>
> Mel P. <mper...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:86lgh1$gtd$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
> > Are these any good? They increase the amount of oil, so I'd think that
> > it'll help in lubrication, cooling and adding a little insurance in those
> > two things.
> >
> > Would the 1.5 qt be good enough? What are the drawbacks, besides having
> the
> > engine 'lower' to the ground? Will that cause problems?
> >
> > --
> > Mel P.
> > (77 'Revived' Bug)
> >
> >
--
Jim
69 Bug(Scraps)
"When everything comes your way, you're in the wrong lane."
Christopher Phelan
jasu...@my-deja.com wrote:
> John Sullivan In article <388E7080...@pop.sttl.uswest.net>,
>
> John,
> Could you post some pictures of your “sump guard” and post some
> dimensions I had to replace my engine and re build my transsexual after
> my sump encountered a road hazard.
>
> Begin Rant-----------
> About what it cost me that it shouldn't. Sorry.
>
> I provided Travelers Insurance (property owners insurance company) with
> all of the documentation they wanted to prove that the engine and
> transaxial had less than 5k mi on them since they had been complete
> rebuilt. In the end they paid my about $1300 less than there own
> estimator determined it would cost restore the drive train to it
> previous condition. Jim Poole’s (Travelers Insurance) justification
> for this after I provided him with copies all of the receipts for the
> original engine and transaxial work was that in Tennessee you can not
> sue for legal costs, and they feel that it would cost me about $1300 to
> sue them.
>
> End Rant---------
>
> Except for that bazaar road hazard in the middle of the roadway, I have
> had no problem with my sump (1-1/2Qt); and it does run cooler, but I
> only had cooling problem on long high speed runs (when the sump helps
> with cooling).
>
> Here is a copy of the first description I sent to Travelers Insurance
>
> From: James....@travelers.com
> To: jasu...@berkshire.net
> Date sent: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:50:02 -0400
> Subject: Re: Claim No. B7A4060
>
> Dear Mr. Poole:
>
> As we discussed on the telephone today, on 6 September 1999 about 1:00
> PM my vehicle was damaged by a manhole protruding from an under cut in
> the road surface of the West Towne Commons Shopping Center in Jackson
> TN. From the driver's seat of a vehicle exiting the parking lot, it
> is impossible to see how hazardous the drop off is, or that it is
> significantly deeper in the area where the wheels of the vehicle roll
> than in the middle were the manhole protrudes from the undercut in the
> road bed. It appears that this under cut was not filled at the time
> this part of the parking lot (man hole) was installed, presumably
> because the asphalt would settle as a result of traffic and it would
> have to be filled and graded again. However, the undercut has been
> allowed to settle too long and now poses a significant safety
> hazard. I took digital pictures of the seen before anything was
> moved, and you can look at them on my web site. I got some pictures
> of the damage. The engine and transaxle have been displaced to the
> rear about two inches. The mounts have been completely sheared off.
> It looks like the chassis was spared; and so, hopefully the damage is
> limited to the power train. I will get better pictures with the
> engine out. The transaxle is leaking oil like a sieve, so at the very
> least theseals have been blown. We haven ’t looked up in the front or
> on top of the transmission yet, but I ’ll get pictures.
>
> Damaged:
> http://www.berkshire.net/~jasulliv/pics/VW/6Sep99/
>
> Undamaged:
> http://gemini.berkshire.net/~jasulliv/pics/VW/rfq.JPG
>
> Officer Glenn Penny of the Jackson, TN Police Department filed an
> Incident Report (No: 99-24762). Officer Penny informed me that the
> manhole was on private property and that the city was not responsible.
>
> Should you like to inspect it, my vehicle (74 VW Supper Beetle
> Convertible visible in picture) can not be driven, and was towed to
> Jim's Bug and Cycle Shop 1317 Westover Rd, Jackson TN. 901-424-2488
>
> I would like to resolve this matter as quickly and amicably as
> possible. I can be reached at 901-696-5272 (office throught 24 Sep
> 99) or P. O. Box 484 Bells, TN 38006-0484.
>
> Sincerely,
> John Sullivan
>
> spec...@uswest.net wrote:
> > Hi Mel,
> >
> > The decrease in oil temp is minimal. The main reason for a sump is
> if you
> > accelerate faster than stock, to keep from starving the oil pump. I
> fabricated
> > a sump guard from flat bar to protect mine. I did not weld the
> extension tube
> > on, and it has never fallen apart. It might be best to weld it just
> in case.
> > Check out the 1-1/2 qt. unit from Gene Berg. A very nice piece.
> >
> > Cheers, John
> > www.ghiaspecialties.com
> >
> > "Mel P." wrote:
> >
> > > Are these any good? They increase the amount of oil, so I'd think
> that
> > > it'll help in lubrication, cooling and adding a little insurance in
> those
> > > two things.
> > >
> > > Would the 1.5 qt be good enough? What are the drawbacks, besides
> having the
> > > engine 'lower' to the ground? Will that cause problems?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mel P.
> > > (77 'Revived' Bug)
> >
> >
>
> --
> John Sullivan
> Mech. Design Engineer / Project Integrator
> www.berkshire.net/~jasulliv/
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Every time that wheel spins round, you're bound to cover just a little more
ground.
manxm...@my-deja.com
volks...@aol.com (VolksFiend) wrote:
> >If you want a Gene Berg 1.5 quart sump it's yours for the price of
> >shipping.
> >
> >Earle Horton
> >Fort Collins, Colorado
>
open
> offer...
>
> ...Gareth
>
spent. While 2 1/2 quarts seem to be enough for a stock engine, that 1
1/2 extra quarts, in my opinion, is good insurance. On my Manx ,I have
a 1600 DP with a full-flow system, spin-on filter(HP-1, external 8-pass
cooler and I use a bypass plate where the stock cooler was and now the
total oil capacity is 6 quarts. I don't feel they help cooling any, but
the sump stops the acceleration,decceleration & hard cornering oil
starvation. I've run the 1 1/2 qt. sumps on the last 4 engines I've
built & run and I feel they helped the longevity of those engines,
especially the ones that were on my sandrail and turned 6000+ rpms for
extended periods of time. If you have the clearance, use one. I've
never welded the extension tube on ,but I do use a different style of
clamp & they've never failed me. Have Fun, ManxManiac
jasu...@my-deja.com
End Rant---------
Dear Mr. Poole:
Damaged:
http://www.berkshire.net/~jasulliv/pics/VW/6Sep99/
Undamaged:
http://gemini.berkshire.net/~jasulliv/pics/VW/rfq.JPG
Sincerely,
John Sullivan
Jim
John Connolly wrote:
>
> sumps don't help cooling, but they do provide a constant source of oil that
> has less air in it (stock only had 2.5 quarts). If you corner or accellerate
> hard, you MUST have one.
>
> John
> http://www.aircooled.net
>
> Mel P. <mper...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:86lgh1$gtd$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
> > Are these any good? They increase the amount of oil, so I'd think that
> > it'll help in lubrication, cooling and adding a little insurance in those
> > two things.
> >
> > Would the 1.5 qt be good enough? What are the drawbacks, besides having
> the
> > engine 'lower' to the ground? Will that cause problems?
> >
> > --
> > Mel P.
> > (77 'Revived' Bug)
> >
> >
--
Jan Andersson
>
> transsexual? Freudian slip or inside joke?
>
Freudian synchro ring?
Jan
Mike T.
>
> > John Sullivan In article <388E7080...@pop.sttl.uswest.net>,
> >
> > John,
> > Could you post some pictures of your “sump guard” and post some
> > dimensions I had to replace my engine and re build my transsexual
after
>
Microsoft Word 97 will offer "transsexual" as a correction if you spell
transaxle like this: "transaxel".
Funny stuff.
--
Mike T.
Don Jiskra
> John,
> Could you post some pictures of your “sump guard” and post some
> dimensions I had to replace my engine and re build my transsexual after
> my sump encountered a road hazard.
>
I think this is the wrong newsgroup to post pictures of your
transsexual....
John Kelly
Sorry, no pictures, but I'll try to describe it. By the way I had a
similar experience with a 4" thick slab of asphalt in the middle of I-5 in
Seattle. I had to pay for the damage myself. I guess I should be glad I
hit it and a motorcyclist didn't. I made a rear engine support
(traction)bar, from that I had two pieces of 1/4"x 1-1/2" flat bar, one on
either side of the drain plug, going forward to the frame horns, bent back
over itself (up) 180 degrees with studs welded to the transaxle support
bracket, and bolted together through holes in the flat bar. I put rubber
between the sump and sump guard. This will work except in extremely hard
hits. Good luck!
Cheers, John
www.ghiaspecialties.com
jasu...@my-deja.com wrote:
> John Sullivan In article <388E7080...@pop.sttl.uswest.net>,
>
> John,
> Could you post some pictures of your “sump guard” and post some
> dimensions I had to replace my engine and re build my transsexual after
> my sump encountered a road hazard.
>
> > > Are these any good? They increase the amount of oil, so I'd think
> that
> > > it'll help in lubrication, cooling and adding a little insurance in
> those
> > > two things.
> > >
> > > Would the 1.5 qt be good enough? What are the drawbacks, besides
> having the
> > > engine 'lower' to the ground? Will that cause problems?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mel P.
> > > (77 'Revived' Bug)
> >
> >
>
> --
> John Sullivan
> Mech. Design Engineer / Project Integrator
> www.berkshire.net/~jasulliv/
>
Kaferdave
>Microsoft Word 97 will offer "transsexual" as a correction if you spell
>transaxle like this: "transaxel".
>
They do it if you spell it right, too. You don't know how many times I have
almost gotten myself in hot water by using that stoopid speel cheque
Paul Lawrence Hamilton
benefit (which is an enormous one) and that is that they prevent oil
starvation when VW-based sportscars are driven fast around corners.
Oil pressure drops to zero instantly without one. This benefit can
easily be woorth the price of your engine. If you get one, get it for
the right reasons. Because they are right between the wheels (no
overhang), they do not, in my experience, cause clearance problems,
even on a very low car.
"Mel P." <mper...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Are these any good? They increase the amount of oil, so I'd think that
>it'll help in lubrication, cooling and adding a little insurance in those
>two things.
>Would the 1.5 qt be good enough? What are the drawbacks, besides having the
>engine 'lower' to the ground? Will that cause problems?
>--
>Mel P.
>(77 'Revived' Bug)
Paul Lawrence Hamilton, WWW.METROFLIGHT.W1.COM
Samis & Hamilton
Airport and Aviation Consultants
(301) 299-3573
Searoy
--
*** Teach a Man to Fish ***
Searoy
sea...@aircooled.net
Coming soon to a San Diego near you!
"Jan Andersson" <bug...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:388FF371...@rocketmail.com...
> Christopher Phelan wrote:
> >
> > transsexual? Freudian slip or inside joke?
> >
>
>
>
> Freudian synchro ring?
>
>
> Jan
>
Scatman
I thought that's what a transexual IS - a rebuild...
Aaron Guinn - the "Scat(\/)an"
aguin...@aol.com ae...@technologist.com
"Zero to sixty? Sometimes..."
jasu...@my-deja.com
>
> > John Sullivan In article <388E7080...@pop.sttl.uswest.net>,
> >
> > John,
> > Could you post some pictures of your “sump guard” and post some
> > dimensions I had to replace my engine and re build my transsexual
> > after my sump encountered a road hazard.
> >
Transaxial in Microsoftese is transsexual. I was just to quick on the
spell check. However, I am still looking for a source for, or design of
a sump guard / skid plat that will accommodate a 1-1/2 Quart deep sump.
Does any one have any ideas?
Thanks,
John Sullivan
'74 Super Vert
jasu...@my-deja.com
Don Jiskra <dji...@aircooled.net> wrote:
>
>
> > John,
> > Could you post some pictures of your “sump guard” and post some
> > dimensions I had to replace my engine and re build my transsexual
after
> > my sump encountered a road hazard.
> >
>
> transsexual....
>
Transaxial in Microsoftese is transsexual. I was just to quick on the
spell check. However, I am still looking for a source for or design of
a sump guard / skid plat that will accommodate a 1-1/2 Quart deep sump.
Does any one have any ideas?
Thanks
John Sullivan
'74 Supper Vert
u...@ftc.gov
from the crank, which would splash and foam it. It works nicely to
give you added oil capacity.
It doesn't cool the oil any significant amount, and doesn't provide any
better lubrication. It does help the oil "last" slightly longer by
spreading the "wear" on the oil over an additional amount of oil.
I had one of these in my '56 bus, and I was happy with it. I'd originally
bought a SCAT one, which seeped oil, *and* turned out to have deposits of
casting sand up in the corners, which came out in the oil. Thanks, SCAT!
Just what I needed - abrasives *deliberately* put in my oil.
SCAT is is synonymous with SHIT - if you don't beleive me, lookup "scat" in
any search engine.
If you're worried about oil starvation during accelleration or
cornering, then what you need is a windage tray, which is essentially
baffling to keep the oil from sloshing around. You'd get a little bit
of windage protection with a sump, but there is still nothing to keep
the oil from moving away from the pickup.
Or, those of you who are badass shade tree engineers, you can convert to
dry sump oiling and solve the problem once and for all.
-- Thom
'54 RHD 23-window deluxe
'55 euro flip-hatch westfalia campbox
'60 double-door panel
'77 911 wide-body targa
http://www.vintagebus.com
Tony W
the crank to lube the cam.
Tony
Luns Tee wrote in message <8757rk$cqp$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>...
>In article <3895c...@news3.calweb.com>, <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>The original intent of these sumps was to lower the oil, to get it away
>>from the crank, which would splash and foam it.
>
> How does the crank splash and foam the oil with the camshaft in
>between?
>
>-Luns
Luns Tee
joe locicero
The crank rarely splashes the sump oil (unless your doing funny things going
up or down a steep sand dunes). The lifter bores, lifters and cam make an
effective barrier. There seems to be more of a minus that plus for add-on
sumps.
Dry sumping or an Accusump is the way to "fly" if thats what you have in
mind.
Foaming is usually controlled by oil additives.
Joe
Oregon Performance Products
http://www.spiretech.com/~opshroud
Jan Andersson
>
> In article <3895c...@news3.calweb.com>, <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
> >The original intent of these sumps was to lower the oil, to get it away
> >from the crank, which would splash and foam it.
>
> How does the crank splash and foam the oil with the camshaft in
> between?
>
> -Luns
It doesn't have to touch the oil, the crank creates enough turbulence to
make the inside of the case look like a hurricane..:-)
Jan