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Jenn
turn it into an art bus of sorts. My plain is to paint it black and then
have a friend who does calligraphy either use a pen with a really big nib
(and lotsa replacements, heh) write in some song lyrics and poems in silver,
or have her use a double pencil and then just paint in the silver. So, I
want this to look good, I want it to last for a good long time.
So...what kind of paints do I use?
Can I have a professional car painter spray it black, and then use some sort
of silver over that?
The only silver paint I've really liked is a paint meant for calligraphy,
it's aluminimum flakes suspended in a gum medium, would be waterproof after
being sealed. Would this stuff adhere to either the type of paint a
professional car painter uses or a rattle can job?
If the silver won't work, what sort of paint should I go for? Should I buy
a few bottles of a silver touch up paint? Can I have a quart of auto paint
mixed up and have it applied by hand, or does that stuff absolutelyh ave to
be sprayed? Spraying the silver is out of the question...
If I use a rattle can paint, can I then have that clear coated? Do they
make clear coat in a can?
The car is currently primered in pale blue. Do I paint right over the
primer? Or, since I'll be painting the car black, should I sand it off and
use a darker coloured primer?
Thanks all!
Jenn
'73 Ghia coupe (Isis)
'74 Bus
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Kafertoys
have it cleared again.
Go to a shop and ask them if they will do this but be ready to pay
Jenn
sort of touch up paint, the kind of bottled stuff they sell at all the auto
parts stores, would this work? How thick is this stuff? If it's too thick
to flow through a pen nib, could it be thinned out soemhow?
Jenn
'73 Ghia coupe (Isis)
'74 Bus
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Jan Andersson
Black is a difficult color.. glossy black is the worst, it will show
every little dent and error you have on the surface of the car, it is
very unforgiving. A bus has a lot of straight surface, which after you
paint it black, will no longer look straight..... :-)
Just a thing to remember.. If you "break" the black with graphics, then
it's a different story of course.
For what you are planning, I would suggest that you test on a piece of
metal first, with the exact paints you plan to use. Apply a coat or two
of clear lacquer on top of it all to keep it nice, see if the clear coat
will "dissolve" the silver or not.
Jan
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"Jenn" <audac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Do ya think the calligraphy ink will stick? My other idea was to use some
| sort of touch up paint, the kind of bottled stuff they sell at all the
auto
| parts stores, would this work? How thick is this stuff? If it's too
thick
| to flow through a pen nib, could it be thinned out soemhow?
|
| Jenn
| '73 Ghia coupe (Isis)
| '74 Bus
| audac...@yahoo.com
| http://www.geocities.com/audacity242/
|
Jim Mowreader
> Okay, so I need to learn about paint. I've got this '74 Bus, and I want to
> turn it into an art bus of sorts. My plain is to paint it black and then
> have a friend who does calligraphy either use a pen with a really big nib
> (and lotsa replacements, heh) write in some song lyrics and poems in silver,
> or have her use a double pencil and then just paint in the silver. So, I
> want this to look good, I want it to last for a good long time.
>
> So...what kind of paints do I use?
> Can I have a professional car painter spray it black, and then use some sort
> of silver over that?
You know what frisket is? (It's kind of a sticky stencil medium that
airbrush artists use. Art supply stores have it, and you're gonna need a lot
of it.) Get the whole car painted silver (paint recommendation below). Cover
the car with frisket where you want the text, and have her do the lettering
with a double pencil. Cut along the lines with a very sharp x-acto knife--
get the 100 pack of blades, or maybe three. Peel away the waste frisket
(normally the waste is inside the lines, but here it's outside of it. Take
the car back to the painter and have it sprayed black. Then peel away the
frisket.
> The only silver paint I've really liked is a paint meant for calligraphy,
> it's aluminimum flakes suspended in a gum medium, would be waterproof after
> being sealed. Would this stuff adhere to either the type of paint a
> professional car painter uses or a rattle can job?
Painting a whole bus with a spray can? You are made of money, aintcha?
The paint I'd use for the silver is silver metalflake base with no colorant
in it. It's the same stuff as you're using, just with a car paint medium
instead of a gum medium. (All metallic paints, inks, and so on are the same
basic thing--metal particles suspended in some sort of medium.)
> If the silver won't work, what sort of paint should I go for? Should I buy
> a few bottles of a silver touch up paint? Can I have a quart of auto paint
> mixed up and have it applied by hand, or does that stuff absolutelyh ave to
> be sprayed? Spraying the silver is out of the question...
>
> If I use a rattle can paint, can I then have that clear coated? Do they
> make clear coat in a can?
They do. You get about one square foot of good coverage per can.
> The car is currently primered in pale blue. Do I paint right over the
> primer? Or, since I'll be painting the car black, should I sand it off and
> use a darker coloured primer?
That's not "pale blue" primer, that's "gray." You paint right over it,
you'll be fine.
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74 SB
Jenn
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Kafertoys
I have already traved to paint VWs and would be happy to come to you to paint
it.
Jenn
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Jim...Looked at hte price of frisket, that stuff can be spendy! I'm
thinking that covering the entire car with frisket would require a freaking
TON of the stuff, perhaps it'd be easier for me to put the letters I'll need
onto the frisket and then apply the individual letters, after being cut out,
to the car? Is that possible? It'd be real nifty if she could simply make
two alphabets (one of caps letters, one of lower case), or even a few
different ones, and somehow be able to transfer multiple copies of those to
the frisket. Is it possible to run that stuff through a printer if it's
already on a backing paper? Either a desk jet or a bubble. That way I
could just print up, say, 125 "a" and whatever on one sheet and just apply
as needed (yeah, I actually have the patience to do that if need be)...
> > The only silver paint I've really liked is a paint meant for
calligraphy,
> > it's aluminimum flakes suspended in a gum medium, would be waterproof
after
> > being sealed. Would this stuff adhere to either the type of paint a
> > professional car painter uses or a rattle can job?
>
> Painting a whole bus with a spray can? You are made of money, aintcha?
Heh, I don't know how many cans it takes to paint a car, I've never done
this ;)
> The paint I'd use for the silver is silver metalflake base with no
colorant
> in it. It's the same stuff as you're using, just with a car paint medium
> instead of a gum medium. (All metallic paints, inks, and so on are the
same
> basic thing--metal particles suspended in some sort of medium.)
Hrmmm, okay. Sheesh, wasn't looking forward to shooting the car three
times, but I suppose it's bearable if it gives me the results I want. I
sure as hell don't wanna put a ton of effort into making an art car only to
have the paint be washed away by rain, or faded by sun, etc...
> > If the silver won't work, what sort of paint should I go for? Should I
buy
> > a few bottles of a silver touch up paint? Can I have a quart of auto
paint
> > mixed up and have it applied by hand, or does that stuff absolutelyh ave
to
> > be sprayed? Spraying the silver is out of the question...
> >
> > If I use a rattle can paint, can I then have that clear coated? Do they
> > make clear coat in a can?
>
> They do. You get about one square foot of good coverage per can.
Okay. Well, if I have it shot in both the silver and black, I may as well
have it shot in a real clear coat. Though will I really need a clear coat
if I have it professionally painted in both of the first two stages? I
realize it won't be as shiny, but what other advantages does a clear coat
have? I know it prevents fading and wear, but wouldn't a good, regular
waxing also do that?
> > The car is currently primered in pale blue. Do I paint right over the
> > primer? Or, since I'll be painting the car black, should I sand it off
and
> > use a darker coloured primer?
>
> That's not "pale blue" primer, that's "gray." You paint right over it,
> you'll be fine.
Heh, alrighty :) Looks pale blue to me ;)
Jan Andersson
paint quality will be better. FAR better.
You need to make sure that the paints and clearcoats used will work
together, it would be a disaster if your FINAL coat would make the
earlier layers "boil" off.
Jan
Jenn
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Jim Mowreader
> Jim...Looked at hte price of frisket, that stuff can be spendy! I'm
> thinking that covering the entire car with frisket would require a freaking
> TON of the stuff, perhaps it'd be easier for me to put the letters I'll need
> onto the frisket and then apply the individual letters, after being cut out,
> to the car? Is that possible? It'd be real nifty if she could simply make
> two alphabets (one of caps letters, one of lower case), or even a few
> different ones, and somehow be able to transfer multiple copies of those to
> the frisket. Is it possible to run that stuff through a printer if it's
> already on a backing paper? Either a desk jet or a bubble. That way I
> could just print up, say, 125 "a" and whatever on one sheet and just apply
> as needed (yeah, I actually have the patience to do that if need be)...
I've never tried printing on frisket with a computer printer. I'd try
getting one sheet of it and running it through just to see what happens. It
should work, but 'should' is one of the great weasel words.
Can you print up a boatload of the various letters, cut them out and stick
them on the bus? Yeah, that would work fine.
>>> The only silver paint I've really liked is a paint meant for
> calligraphy,
>>> it's aluminimum flakes suspended in a gum medium, would be waterproof
> after
>>> being sealed. Would this stuff adhere to either the type of paint a
>>> professional car painter uses or a rattle can job?
>>
>> Painting a whole bus with a spray can? You are made of money, aintcha?
>
> Heh, I don't know how many cans it takes to paint a car, I've never done
> this ;)
It would probably take fifty or sixty cans to get a crappy paint job on a
bus, and you'd be left with frozen, cramped-up trigger finger.
It adds depth to the paint job. That's its major function.
Jenn
> I've never tried printing on frisket with a computer printer. I'd try
> getting one sheet of it and running it through just to see what happens.
It
> should work, but 'should' is one of the great weasel words.
>
> Can you print up a boatload of the various letters, cut them out and stick
> them on the bus? Yeah, that would work fine.
Well, I'll see if I can't print on the frisket. I told my friend that if I
did it that way, I prolly wouldn't be paying her a fortune, but if she has
to draw each letter fifty gazillion times, that I'd pay her by the letter.
Either wya, lotsa work for me to x-acto them all out and stick 'em on. Ah
well :) If it looks good and lasts forever, I'll be happy :)
Jan Andersson
> Well, I'll see if I can't print on the frisket. I told my friend that if I
> did it that way, I prolly wouldn't be paying her a fortune, but if she has
> to draw each letter fifty gazillion times, that I'd pay her by the letter.
> Either wya, lotsa work for me to x-acto them all out and stick 'em on. Ah
> well :) If it looks good and lasts forever, I'll be happy :)
How ya gonna check if they last forever? Are you going to pay her AFTER
you have really really convinced that tyhey will last forever? She might
not like the deal. :-)
Check out your local hotrod magazines, they MUST have ads for pinstripe
artists, you might try giving them a call and ask for some general
advice. They are the people who really know this stuff.
Jan
Jim Mowreader
> Well, I'll see if I can't print on the frisket. I told my friend that if I
> did it that way, I prolly wouldn't be paying her a fortune, but if she has
> to draw each letter fifty gazillion times, that I'd pay her by the letter.
> Either wya, lotsa work for me to x-acto them all out and stick 'em on. Ah
> well :) If it looks good and lasts forever, I'll be happy :)
I thought of something else you might want to try. Roland DG makes a device
called a sign cutter. It's a sort of computer printer (okay, it's a computer
plotter) that has a little knife on it. Sign shops have these and they may
be willing ($) to run some of their special frisket off for you.
Get a sheet or two (they're really, really big sheets) cut on the Roland
plotter and you'll be in high clover.
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Jenn
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> Jenn wrote:
>
> > Well, I'll see if I can't print on the frisket. I told my friend that
if I
> > did it that way, I prolly wouldn't be paying her a fortune, but if she
has
> > to draw each letter fifty gazillion times, that I'd pay her by the
letter.
> > Either wya, lotsa work for me to x-acto them all out and stick 'em on.
Ah
> > well :) If it looks good and lasts forever, I'll be happy :)
>
> you have really really convinced that tyhey will last forever? She might
> not like the deal. :-)
Well Jan, considering that she'd just be makign the letters and not doin the
painting, it wouldn't be her fault if it didn't last foreve :) And, well,
if the computer reproductions doesn't work out, I'm not giong to expect my
friend to make a few thousand letters in one night, I'll prolly just pay her
for stuff as she gets done with it...
> Check out your local hotrod magazines, they MUST have ads for pinstripe
> artists, you might try giving them a call and ask for some general
> advice. They are the people who really know this stuff.
*nod* Well, I'm going to assume that Jim gave me good advice, and I'm giong
to talk to the person who is essentially acknowledged as the best
painter/body guy in the area...