Redline MTL vs Friction Wedge
William Shepard
Any comments on which is better for the manual transmission, and how the
two differ on how they work? Friction Wedge is based on Dupont
Teflon...what about Redline? Bill Shepard
Michael McKeon
You may want to check out the Dealer Alternative site
(http://www.dlralt.com/) for information on redline products. The following
excerpt points out that synthetic oils may be too slick for the synchros:
"MTL gear oil-- A fully synthetic gearbox oil, with an extra twist. We found
at our shop that straight synthetic gear oils actually made the Miatas
shift worse than stock. Turns out that you can make a gearbox oil too
slippery for the synchros to properly work. Red Line adds a friction
modifier
to allow the synchros to perform their job, while adding the traditional
long life and temperature reduction benefits of synthetics."
I haven't used their MTL gear oil, but Rexven (a contributor to this
newsgroup) swears by it. He was nice enough to let me test drive his car
last week and it was very easy to shift. I intend to replace my gear oil
with MTL soon.
Rexven
Michael McKeon <mo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>I haven't used their MTL gear oil, but Rexven (a contributor to this
>newsgroup) swears by it. He was nice enough to let me test drive his car
>last week and it was very easy to shift. I intend to replace my gear oil
>with MTL soon.
Indeed! Unfortunately you didn't get a chance to drive Ginsu prior to
the tranny oil being replaced. She has one of the infamous balky shift
levers that I need to get replaced. I have a feeling that it will
become even easier to shift, perhaps to the point that if you breathe
right the gears will work on their own. ;) In short, the Redline did
not only as advertised, but better than I had expected. I'm one that
expects a lot from a product. With three quarts you should be able to
get both the Tranny and the LSD fluid replaced (though you have to be
VERY careful to do it exact and it might be wise to have a 4th quart
on standby).
BTW, how's your '96 running?
When confronted with two evils I take the one I've never tried!
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Michael McKeon
Rexven wrote:
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> BTW, how's your '96 running?
It was reducing the timing around 5500 rpm - not acceptable. I adjusted the
knock sensor setting this morning. Still no detonation, but does it ever
pull, right up to redline. I've got my Miata back, with lots more power. :)
I ordered the sway bars and the strut brace. I hope to have them by next
week.
Rexven
Shep...@webtv.net (William Shepard) wrote:
>Any comments on which is better for the manual transmission, and how the
>two differ on how they work? Friction Wedge is based on Dupont
>Teflon...what about Redline? Bill Shepard
Once again the dreaded name Teflon rears it's ugly head in the car
market.. and once again I'm doomed to lecture on how insane it is for
the marketting teams to use it. Teflon will NOT do a thing for your
motor, your paint (when waxing with it), etc. Teflon is a particulate
product that must meld with the metal it is to protect. This just
won't happen in an engine and the flakes will simply float around
likely doing more damage than good. Suspended they are worthless.
The only way that Teflon will adhere to an engine (or tranny in this
case) is to superheat the metal until it's structure expands, compress
(under high pressures) the Teflon into the metal, then keep that
pressure intact while the metal slowly cools and locks it into place.
(Think of it as the same idea with your spring-loaded snaps on the
boot cover). Do you seriously think your motor hits around
2,500-3,500degrees F.? Does your paint? If not, the Teflon is doing
nothing but floating around. Btw, if the Teflon DID adhere to your
paint your car would be a gunmetal grey and you'd have fun watching
bug splatter slide across it.. hehe.
Simple physics: Teflon is a gimmick and is usless outside of the
manufacturing process. Avoid the name at all costs. Carnuba wax: Good!
Teflon: bad... Redline: GOOD! Teflon: Bad... Got it? Good!
(sigh)
William Shepard
Thanks guys, this helps me a lot. As it's time for a tranny fluid
change, I guess Redline it is....
Wm Shepard
'91 Silver
It's like a budding Bhudda.. it's got a long way to go before it attains
perfection, one step at a time
Rexven
Michael McKeon <mo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Rexven wrote:
Sounds like it's time to take another romp in the co-pilots seat! :)
Btw, when you get the bars and brace in give me a call (you do still
have the # right?) and I'll be happy to drop them in for you. Only
takes about 12 minutes for the brace and about an hour or so for the
bars. :) Likely less now that I've done them before..
Where did you get the bars? Bill & Terry @ Dealer Alternative?
simpsond@feedme
A story about Red Line oil for the gearbox:
When I bought my RX-7 in 1986, I soon noticed a grinding when shifting
down into third gear. This was a harsh, loud grinding. I kept taking
the car in to the dealer where I bought the car, and they claimed they
noticed no problem with the shifting -- and documented this to cover
themselves -- and suggested it was an operator problem. (Why in only
third gear?) This began before 10,000 miles. After 46,000 miles, the
dealer told me with a worried expression on his face, "Well, you sure
got a problem now!" (That dealer has been out of business from my
observations during trips back to LA several years later.)
Gear oil changes during periodic servicing never fixed the problem.
As the car passed 200,000 miles, there were other shifting problems
from time to time, mainly during colder mornings in Washington state.
I once took the car to a private shop (where I ended up taking the
car for much work afterward) and they told me they recommended Red Line
for the transmission. I consented to an oil change to try the stuff.
My third-gear downshift grinding never happened again, nor did much
of the other grinding. Red Line really does work great in transmissions.
The car currently has over 316,000 miles on it, original transmission.
No third-gear downshift grinding. Not ever, since introducing Red Line.
End of testimonial,
Dave Simpson
(Now if only they'd pay me big bucks to say that in magazines and on
radio and teevee!)
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DptyDawg95
Do you know if any of the autoparts stores sell the Redline products. I hate
to mail order this stuff.
Expmiata
>Do you know if any of the autoparts stores sell the Redline products. I hate
>to mail order this stuff.
Deputy..where are you from?...here in San Jose, CA..the "ALL AUTO PARTS" store
sells REdline....why don't you call around and ask them....if they don't, you
could suggest that they do....
Cissy
90A White
Racing Beat Red/Blue
DptyDawg95
I live in Orlando, any suggestions? I can't find it anywhere.
Eli Troychansky
DptyDawg95 wrote:
> I live in Orlando, any suggestions? I can't find it anywhere.
I assume that you are talking about Redline MTL. Next time please do us
a favor and quote.
You can get Redline products through by mailorder, go to
http://www.dlralt.com .. They are a pleasure to deal with, and the
prices are moderate.
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William Shepard
No, Redline.com is medical supplies
W. Munro
Check into their site (think it's www.redline.com) and then send them an
email with your location. They'll respond wihtin the day with a list
possible vendors or let you know how to order direct from them.
Good luck
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William Shepard wrote:
> No, Redline.com is medical supplies
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> Any comments on which is better for the manual transmission, and how the two differ on how they work? Friction Wedge is based on Dupont Teflon...what about Redline? Bill Shepard
charlie
coefficient to shift properly. Without it, the syncros don't work
properly. There may have been problems, because Mazda changed syncros a
bit at different times/years.
Evian Eco
> Any comments on which is better for the manual transmission, and how the
> two differ on how they work? Friction Wedge is based on Dupont
> Teflon...what about Redline? Bill Shepard
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