Showdown on the Rubicon (outcome)
Special Ops
Dave Milne
Out of interest, one bit puzzles me:
Judge Dowd delivered a victory to both parties in May when he ordered Ewald
to stop using trademarked Jeep parts on his cargo trailers .. and, based on
a precedent called nominative fair use, Judge Dowd granted Ewald the right
to continue to advertise his trailers as "built with authentic new Jeep
parts"
So is that saying you could build it with Jeep bits as long as those parts
don't say "Jeep" on them ?
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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> FYI ==> http://www.presspublications.com/pages/stories/mstories02.asp
> www.SpecialOps4x4.com
mabar
Snow
the less. It's about time some one stood up to those DC NAZI's. (for the
DC spies reading this "eat my shorts" -Bart Simpson). Too bad he didn't
keep the right to use the Rubicon name or at the very least have both trade
marks tossed out on the basis that DC doesn't own the Rubicon Trail (neither
did Denis) and force both parties to re-name their products.
Snow ...
twaldron
Special Ops wrote:
> FYI ==> http://www.presspublications.com/pages/stories/mstories02.asp
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> www.SpecialOps4x4.com
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03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
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DougW
Heh.
The key in there is Dennis had the rights to the "Rubicon (tm)".
Just think what DC had to pay him for that. And rightfully too.
Way to go Dennis!
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DougW
Special Ops
of their motions in that ruling, except one. The judge ruled that I
could no longer use NOS CJ-7 tailgates, which I was obtaining from
Willys Overland Motors Inc., here in Toledo. Those tailgates (for
CJ-7's), which had been manufactured by Chrysler, said Jeep on them.
However, he did not prohibit me from using other tailgates manufactured
by Jeep, or anyone else, which did not say Jeep on them. Since that
supply of tailgates had been depleted, and there are no more of them,
that I know of, it was a hollow victory for D.C. I could no longer use
tailgates which I could no longer get, anyway. So what? --- The judge
then ruled against D.C. on all of their motions for summary judgement.
That left D.C. out of ammo with nothing standing between them and a jury
trial. And, there was no way they wanted to face a jury. I, on the other
hand, was still fully loaded with more ammo than Carter has liver pills.
The May ruling was a resounding defeat for D.C. Even the arrogant D.C.
lawyers, from Atlanta, could see the writing on the wall. --- So, you
are correct, Dave. I can still use new Jeep parts, just as long as they
don't say Jeep on them. --- Thank you for your interest. --- Regards ---
D.J.
Matt Macchiarolo
pick one up when the time comes. Best of luck to you in AZ, Dennis, and let
us know when your move is complete and your AZ operation is in production.
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RocknTJ
This is great news. I am very happy for you and yours. I have been wondering
how things were going on this. Even though I only know you through cyber
space, I feel like your friend and have been pulling for you the entire
time.
When I get my junk repaired and if you are back in AZ please look me up
through the Az Virtual Jeep Club. I would love to go wheeling with you and
buy you a cold beverage.
Regards,
--JamesT
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RocknTJ
I posted it on his board. I am sure he will be grinning ear-to-ear when he
hears the news.
I still think DC should have paid Nate for rubicon.com.
--James
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Matt Macchiarolo
never got real legal advice.
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Jerry Bransford
the URL. I would have sued him too if I were Jeep.
Jerry
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RocknTJ
You think the outcome for Dennis would have been different if he would have
had topless chicks painted on his trailers?
That is interesting.
I don't think so, but I am not a lawyer.
--James
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RocknTJ
There were NO nude girl pics on Rubicon.com and they still took it.
Dave Milne
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"RocknTJ" <jet...@cox.net> wrote in message
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RocknTJ
No.
I think you might be getting rubicon.com confused with hardcorejeep.com.
Rubicon.com was Nate's and wasn't even "online" really. Even though Nate had
owned it way before the Rubicon Jeep was introduced DC stold it.
--James
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Dave Milne
From the man himself (5 May 03)
"i registered jeeprubicon.com/.net/info strictly to build another "i love my
jeep" website
around my rubicon. for the record, jeeprubicon.com/.net/info as well has
hardcorejeep.net/org has NEVER had any questionable material or porn of any
type. only hardcorejeep.com had the babes."
rubicon.com is active (albeit a bit wierd).
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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mabar
Tom
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RocknTJ
Oops..... thanks Dave
I still think the ball is in Jerry's court. LOL
--James
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Jerry Bransford
classify as porn by almost anyone then I don't know what to tell you. I did
see them and when they're spreading themselves to show the pink, I don't
know what else to call it but porn. I understand they were removed later
but he had some pretty trashy stuff going in there when all his legal
problems started. Once again, I would have sued him too if I were Jeep
simply for the pics if not the other issues.
Jerry
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RocknTJ
"So Jerry,
You think the outcome for Dennis would have been different if he would have
had topless chicks painted on his trailers?
That is interesting.
I don't think so, but I am not a lawyer.
--James
Oh and BTW Jerry,
There were NO nude girl pics on jeeprubicon.com and they still took it."
Now answer the question.
The way I see it is, one you think the outcome would be different for Dennis
or two you are just taking "pot shots" at Nathan. Seeing how Nathan isn't
involved in this conversation personally, if it is option two then Bill has
more than one leg to stand on, with regards to his opinion of you.
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Special Ops
because of Lloyd R. Parker. The babes excuse was just a smoke screen.
Nathan got into Parker's face, here in this group, and Parker called his
old student at the law firm, in Atlanta, that represented D.C. She,
being a fellow tree-hugging liberal, used her position, and D.C.'s money
and power, to attack Nathan as a personal favor to her old professor.
--- That is my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. --- Regards --- D.J.
Matt Macchiarolo
2. The question is irrelevant, because it's speculative and doesn't reflect
the facts.
Nathan's a good guy, and for the most part has good intentions, he just has
some interesting ideas on copyright and trademark infringement. Although
having naked chicks on his website proved to be his undoing because that's
how D-C found out about it, from a legal standpoint, it doesn't matter that
he had naked chicks on his website. The issue was he used an trademark in
his URL's that he should not have. Later he offered to sell the URL's to
D-C to settle the matter, but that is one of the definitions of
cybersquatting.
I know something about this, I had to deal with a cybersquatter infringing
on my business's name this past summer.
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Tom Greening
> Here Jerry I'll ask it again:
>
> "So Jerry,
>
> You think the outcome for Dennis would have been different if he would
have
> had topless chicks painted on his trailers?
> That is interesting.
>
> I don't think so, but I am not a lawyer.
>
> --James
Where exactly did you get the idea that what JB said was that the results
for Dennis would have been different? You're the only one that said that.
All JB said was he would have sued Nate over the porn if he had been DC.
Shoot, he's not even the one that pulled Nate into the thread. That was
mabar and you.
Matt Macchiarolo
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RocknTJ
> for Dennis would have been different?
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jer...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> > True but he was also posting porn pics on his site....
> Shoot, he's not even the one that pulled Nate into the thread. That was
> mabar and you.
Although you are correct that marbar and I started talking about Nate NO ONE
pulled the porn into this except JB.
I will state it again, there was no porn on jeeprubicon.com so porn has
nothing to do with this. JB choose to bring it up. IMO he is a real cheap
shot expert.
Maybe the guy is obsessed with "show the pink" as he (JB) calls it, he sure
has the discription down. Problem is, it's wasn't being discussed and it had
nothing to do with "rubicon" that was being discussed.
--James
RocknTJ
"rubicon" and porn have nothing to do with each other in this conversation.
You didn't "state your opinion" you took a cheap shot at Nathan.
I am thinking more and more Bill is correct. Get some huevos man, if your
going to take a cheap shot, say so.
--James
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Dave Milne
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> I will state it again, there was no porn on jeeprubicon.com so porn has
MontanaJeeper
> FYI ==> http://www.presspublications.com/pages/stories/mstories02.asp
many congratulations dennis. im truly happy to see justice done. i
can only imagine your level of personal satisfaction by putting one
person in particular in her place.
MontanaJeeper
> I still think DC should have paid Nate for rubicon.com.
thanks james. fwiw, they actually took a total of 6 domains, 5 of
which had _nothing_ to do with the babes.
MontanaJeeper
> never got real legal advice.
"settle or cough up $60,000+" was all the advice i needed. :-)
MontanaJeeper
> I would have sued him too if I were Jeep.
you arent still bitter because i explained panamint as operator error
disproving your "hydraulic winches kill people" argument, are ya jer?
:-)
sheesh, bury the hatchet and lets move on already. bitter old men
usually die that way and thats no way to spend your life. hate in
your heart will consume you.
MontanaJeeper
> If you didn't see all of the pics posted on there some of which would easily
> classify as porn by almost anyone then I don't know what to tell you.
nice try short-stop. the issue youve clearly tried to avoid answering
was the other 5 URLS having _nothing_ to do with the babes. as for
your prudish opinion on what constitutes porn, no one will deny you
that. you may be offended by simple feminine nudity, but some of us
find it quite beautiful. :-)
twaldron
that he thought the 'girls' were offbase for a site purposefully
associated with a specific product. I don't think he's attacking Nathan.
In fact, I believe Nathan took the girls off the site before this
thing was settled making me think that Nathan might have seen their
point himself. Personally, I can see where DC might have come in and
asked for the two (girls/Jeeps) to be disassociated and legally
requested a cease and desist, but the theft of the URL by DC was WAY
over the top and plain wrong. They bullied Nathan because they could.
Dennis had far more in the way of legal legs to stand on and rightly won
his case. Like it or not, the two cases DO have some similarities as
well as differences. Because of Nathan's case outcome, I feel Dennis'
case is a sweeter victory.
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03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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Goat Crapp
where their arrognace outreaches their ability/quality/etc.
frankly, the jeep was the ONLY chrysler vehicle i've owned and liked..
evertythign from their k cars, to neons, to a durango my brother had were crap
:(
congrats!!!
-Steve, former 98 TJ
Matt Macchiarolo
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Personally, I can see where DC might have come in and
> asked for the two (girls/Jeeps) to be disassociated and legally
> requested a cease and desist, but the theft of the URL by DC was WAY
> over the top and plain wrong. They bullied Nathan because they could.
>
of 1999, having had to recently protect my business's rights under the Act.
Among other things, the Act prevents unauthorized used of a trademark in a
URL or website. In essence, if someone registers a URL with a protected
trademark as a part of the URL, he or she is infringing on the trademark
and doesn't have a legal right to the URL despite having registered and paid
for it.
> Dennis had far more in the way of legal legs to stand on and rightly won
> his case.
Technically, it was settled...both sides got something they wanted. Though
there was no "victor" per se, I am sure Dennis is very happy with the
outcome.
Like it or not, the two cases DO have some similarities as
> well as differences.
Both cases involved trademark infringement, but that's probably where the
similarities end.
MontanaJeeper
>From: Specia...@webtv.net (Special Ops)
>I am of the opinion Nathan was attacked by D.C. lawyers
>because of Lloyd R. Parker. The babes excuse was just a smoke screen.
>Nathan got into Parker's face, here in this group, and Parker called his
>old student at the law firm, in Atlanta, that represented D.C. She,
>being a fellow tree-hugging liberal, used her position, and D.C.'s money
>and power, to attack Nathan as a personal favor to her old professor.
thanks dennis. some will never accept this due to various reasons having
nothing to do with the case itself, but having personally dealt with these
people i _know_ that what you say is right.
L.W. Hughes III
slob like Jerry B. I would cover up, too.
L.W. Hughes III
twaldron
Whatever happened to all those artistic photos, anyway?
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote:
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the war too Germany.
Dave Milne
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Matt Macchiarolo
That's funny, and appropriate...
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RocknTJ
Dennis' settlement. Read the question again, for the third time.
As a matter of fact, my question had nothing to do with girls "spreading
themselves to show the pink" as you call it, I think you brought that up. Oh
yeah, you did.
--James
(Maybe I'll catch your reply next week, I am off to SEMA in Vegas.)
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Dave Milne
anymore ...
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Matt Macchiarolo
decided he was getting paid too much to goof off on Usenet so much...
http://www.google.com/groups?safe=images&as_uauthors=lloyd%20parker&lr=&hl=e
n
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L.W. Hughes III
http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/results.jhtml;jsessionid=S0GTH04UIJAUMCWMEAQCFFA?whoistoken=0&_requestid=1694791
junkyard.com [66.223.124.200]
www.junkyard.com some how redirects to: swiftvets.com [64.62.151.115]
I've never seen that before, other some domains do not work both ways.
Dave Milne
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Will Honea
about defamation suits if we appear in public wearing a Speedo.
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Dave Milne
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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twaldron
Dave Milne wrote:
> hmm, he seems politer - someone must have castra*ed him or something.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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L.W. Hughes III
twaldron wrote:
>
> You, of course, are assuming there was something to remove.
Matt Macchiarolo
his shoulder :-)
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MontanaJeeper
> Nathan, where are you?
playing around on my own montana mountain side. :-)
http://7slotgrille.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=416 hoping to get my
basement dug before the ground freezes.
mabar
Tom
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MontanaJeeper
> Beautiful piece of property Nathan! Keep us posted.
absolutely. my property has some great off-roading, hunting, fishing,
and some of the most rugged terrain ive ever seen. if youre ever in
the area drop by for some cold bear and hot buffalo steaks. maybe
teach me how to fly fish without hurting myself. :-)
twaldron
MontanaJeeper wrote:
> absolutely. my property has some great off-roading, hunting, fishing,
> and some of the most rugged terrain ive ever seen. if youre ever in
> the area drop by for some cold bear and hot buffalo steaks. maybe
> teach me how to fly fish without hurting myself. :-)
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71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
jbjeep
That looks like its going to be lovely in the spring.
Lon
> "mabar" <ma...@NooSpamgrbonline.com> wrote in message news:<9audnZClJu3...@gbronline.com>...
>
>>Beautiful piece of property Nathan! Keep us posted.
>
>
> absolutely. my property has some great off-roading, hunting, fishing,
> and some of the most rugged terrain ive ever seen. if youre ever in
> the area drop by for some cold bear and hot buffalo steaks. maybe
> teach me how to fly fish without hurting myself. :-)
First you find a fish with big fins, ya know, big as wings. Then you
freeze the fish, so the fins and body are nice and stiff. Then, you
throw the thing as hard as you can, first making sure it can't hit
anything and bounce back and hit you anywhere that hurts. Viola, you
have just flown a fish.
As for fly fishing, dirty little secret: all the big ones are usually
caught on worms, grasshoppers, or Pauske's Fireballs.
Ex cow orker moved up to Kalispell just over a year ago....wife gave
edict to move back to California after freezing rear end off last
winter.