New Honda being delivered Wednesday
Seth
Auto is finally leaving the family. This is the combination that Honda
extended the warranty on to like 109,000 miles. Never needed anything done
to it. That is until recently and now every morning I have a P0780 error.
So with that in mind I'm replacing her with a 2011 EX-L/Navi but this time
going with the i4.
Of the things I'll miss from the old one the one that for some reason sticks
out the most is Homelink. Honda only puts that in the v6 version of the car
for some odd reason.
Well here's to another 10 years and a quarter million miles!
Cameo
news:idrvjj$ife$1...@nocheese.eternal-september.org...
> Well after 10 years of service and over 266,000 miles my '01 Accord
> EX-V6 Auto is finally leaving the family. This is the combination
> that Honda extended the warranty on to like 109,000 miles. Never
> needed anything done to it. That is until recently and now every
> morning I have a P0780 error. So with that in mind I'm replacing her
> with a 2011 EX-L/Navi but this time going with the i4.
So how did you get rid off it? Trade-in?
Seth
"Cameo" <ca...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Yes, trade. I know selling outright on the street is usually the better way
to go but I don't believe I would have done better by enough of a margin to
make it worth it.
Seth
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-FC2384....@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <idrvjj$ife$1...@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
> "Seth" <sethN...@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>> Of the things I'll miss from the old one the one that for some reason
>> sticks
>> out the most is Homelink. Honda only puts that in the v6 version of the
>> car
>> for some odd reason.
>
>
> I had an 00 4 cylinder manual trans Accord; I simply bought a Homelink
> panel off Ebay, and replaced the blank panel with that. Voila.
Hmmm. I hadn't thought of that. I'll look into that. Thanks for the idea.
Worst case I guess I go old school and clip the remote to the visor like
millions others.
> It's not rocket science. Where do they install the buttons on the 2011
> model? Is it a panel you can replace? Shoot, just buy it from the
> dealer and have him install it.
>
> I am sorry you're buying another Honda. You'll find out why soon
> enough. Honda isn't the company it was 10 years ago.
That's sad to hear. But really, what else is the alternative in that class
(both price and what you get for it)? Our 2007 Odyssey has been holding up
well. Over 60k on that already.
Seth
> In article <idt7vr$517$1...@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
> "Seth" <sethN...@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>> > I am sorry you're buying another Honda. You'll find out why soon
>> > enough. Honda isn't the company it was 10 years ago.
>>
>> That's sad to hear. But really, what else is the alternative in that
>> class
>> (both price and what you get for it)? Our 2007 Odyssey has been holding
>> up
>> well. Over 60k on that already.
>
> market. Certainly Nissan.
I test drove the Hyundai line (well, didn't bother with the Accent) and they
just weren't comfortable for me. Bad back and a 150 mile commute has made
my ass kind of picky.
> If you're dead-set on a Honda, buy Acura--they still seem to care at
> that level (also see Infiniti). But Honda has turned into a big bag of
> shit over the last ten years, and what they're turning out today is
> pitiful.
Well I guess I'll possibly learn the hard way then.
> Yes, I have some inside information on that.
Lynn McGuire
> In article<idt7vr$517$1...@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
> "Seth"<sethN...@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>>> enough. Honda isn't the company it was 10 years ago.
>>
>> That's sad to hear. But really, what else is the alternative in that class
>> (both price and what you get for it)? Our 2007 Odyssey has been holding up
>> well. Over 60k on that already.
>
> market. Certainly Nissan.
>
> that level (also see Infiniti). But Honda has turned into a big bag of
> pitiful.
>
> Yes, I have some inside information on that.
I have a data point to dispute that. I bought my wife a 2005
Civic EX coupe with a five speed 6 years ago. It now has 55K
miles on it and the only thing that I have had to do besides
change the oil is replace the tires and the battery.
Excellent car and highly recommended.
Lynn
jim beam
> In article<idtpq3$mn4$1...@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
> "Seth"<sethN...@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>>> Believe it or not, Hyundai (I think) if you're talking that level of
>>> market. Certainly Nissan.
>>
>> I test drove the Hyundai line (well, didn't bother with the Accent) and they
>> just weren't comfortable for me. Bad back and a 150 mile commute has made
>> my ass kind of picky.
>
> "building quality cars".
>
> Honda is spending their hard-earned capital of reputation faster than a
> drunken sailor. That will come back to bite them, hard--but hey,
> they'll deal with that when the time comes, right?
they're certainly dropping their support of their older civics as fast
as they can. their 4-wheel double-wishbone crx, and 88-2000 civics were
fabulous bang for the buck, reliable, comparatively fast, comfortable
and great handling - they were the cars that put honda on the map. that
era of accord, integra and prelude wasn't bad either. they're still the
cars that keep honda winning on the grass roots race circuits too. but
honda are pulling support parts off the shelves and not replacing them -
it looks like they're aiming for 10-year support like domestics, and
that era has passed it's expiration date.
really bad for brand loyalty. and the new ones are uncomfortable. i'd
not buy a new car from honda's current lineup.
--
nomina rutrum rutrum
Tegger
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>
> Well I guess I'll possibly learn the hard way then.
I think you're going to be just fine. Honda's still a good company, and
their cars are still well-made. However, considerable compromises have been
made to the interior and to other non-essential parts in order to allow the
re-allocation of funds necessary for all the airbags and other government-
mandated equipment. This results in a cheaper feel than what used to be.
Me, I'm on the verge of finally replacing the '91 Integra, which now has
over 356,000 miles and is going to need at least an engine/tranny rebuild
in the next year or two. Unfortunately, Honda does not have what I need, so
my next car will not be a Honda.
Why can't Honda make a Civic wagon, on the order of the Mazda 3 Sport?
/That/ I would buy. The Fit is too small for my needs.
I'll likely be buying something by next Christmas, if not before. The wife
and I have been discussing options, since we'd like something larger for
travelling.
--
Tegger
Cameo
>> So how did you get rid off it? Trade-in?
>
> Yes, trade. I know selling outright on the street is usually the
> better way to go but I don't believe I would have done better by
> enough of a margin to make it worth it.
With known problem it's best to trade it in and let the dealer take care
of any future problems with it.
Howard Lester
> I have a data point to dispute that. I bought my wife a 2005
> Civic EX coupe with a five speed 6 years ago. It now has 55K
> miles on it and the only thing that I have had to do besides
> change the oil is replace the tires and the battery.
>
> Excellent car and highly recommended.
Same opinion here, same replacements (plus rear brakes at about 30,000):
2004 Accord EX sedan i4 auto, 62K, very comfortable. Knock on Formica, it'll
be repair-free for another 62K. I've only owned Hondas since 1982, and will
be open to other brands when the time comes for a new one.
clams
"Cameo" <ca...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
That's assuming the dealer provides something for the trade vs.buying
outright, without a trade.
More realistically, dealers typically take older cars off their customer's
hands in lieu of a discount.
My son once attempted to trade a car where the dealer offered him an extra
$100 off the car without the trade.
Lynn McGuire
It's called an Odysssey. http://automobiles.honda.com/odyssey/
But I prefer my Ford Expedition for traveling as it is a true
land yacht.
Lynn
Seth
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2007 Odyssey is our other Honda. My wife picked that because of A) how
reliable my Accord had been the prior 6 years and B) of the 3 vehicles we
had narrowed our choices down to it was the only one that had leather and
would seat 8. The Sienna for example maxed out at 7 in leather. The R350
was only 6 seats.
Tegger
Too costly; we're too cheap for that.
Plus neither of us like the "soccer mom" stigma that comes with minivans.
--
Tegger
Grumpy AuContraire
> I've only owned Hondas since 1982,
> and will be open to other brands when the time comes for a new one.
Ironically, I drive an '82 Civic automatic everyday...
JT
Cameo
news:idubm9$8gr$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> With known problem it's best to trade it in and let the dealer take
>> care of any future problems with it.
>
> That's assuming the dealer provides something for the trade vs.buying
> outright, without a trade.
>
> More realistically, dealers typically take older cars off their
> customer's hands in lieu of a discount.
>
> My son once attempted to trade a car where the dealer offered him an
> extra $100 off the car without the trade.
That's true. If a car is in good working order, I would always try to
sell it myself and buy a new car without trading in the old one. There
is no way to know what an angry buyer of my old car could do when he
discovers I sold him a car with known hidden problem. So that's when I
would rather trade it in.
Elle
wrote:
Similarly, I am very pleased with my 2003 Civic LX Coupe at 98k miles.
I did not think I would like the 1.7L engine, for fuel-economy
reasons. But it turns out I am getting 40+ mpg on average year-round
(overinflating tires to about 40 psi, with no signs of uneven wear
problems, knock on aluminum), and the extra horsepower is great on the
highway. I do not notice a reduction in fuel mileage when using air
conditioning. The engine does not struggle (slowing the car) to climb
the hills here the way my 91 and 93 Civics did. I either found it a
little easier to change the timing belt etc. on the 2003 than my older
Civics, or I just have enough experience that every TB change is
easier. The distributor-less design (so one ignition coil per
cylinder) seems to work well, though if memory serves, I think honda-
tech.com folks are starting to report a failure now and then of these
for the 01-05 generation of Civic.
One drawback is the sidewinder design of door locks. Getting parts to
rebuild it is difficult. The design is such that it fails much sooner
than the older design.
I just bought a pair of tires over the internet for the first time. As
second owner, the Civic came with two fairly new Pirelli tires in the
front in 2009. The back tires were Firestone and are way overdue for
replacement, from how worn they are (uniformly) and cracked.
I own a little stock in Honda and it is doing nicely, with a nice gain
since I bought it in 2006. Not that stock price means too much, unless
maybe one wants to compare to GM, Toyota and Ford.
Howard Lester
> As for uncomfortable, just those damn headrests alone would keep me from
> buying a Honda today. No, Honda, you don't have to jam them forward so
> far you make my chin touch my chest. And I refuse to recline the
> seatback like a gangsta just to avoid all of that.
I wondered about that too-forward headrest, and for the first couple weeks I
was driving with the seatback in its full upright position. That's the
seatback position I've used in my previous Hondas. Anyway, with the Accord,
my back was hurting. Then I discovered that by reclining the seat just one
or two notches (not enough for a gangsta look), all seating problems were
solved. I love the seat's depth, as it nicely supports my thighs. My Civics'
seats were too short, so with the Accord I discovered luxury. I hope Honda
hasn't shortened the seats on the new ones.
Elle
> Elle <honda.lion...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > One drawback is the sidewinder design of door locks. Getting parts to
> > rebuild it is difficult. The design is such that it fails much sooner
> > than the older design.
>
"BMW and Mercedes started using laser cut, or sidewinder keys many
years ago. Now Honda, Acura, Toyota, Lexus, Infinity, and many more,
including Pontiac, are using this style of key."
Tegger
99DCE5.093...@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article
> <04d3795f-d8ad-4b1f...@p26g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
> Elle <honda....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> One drawback is the sidewinder design of door locks. Getting parts to
>> rebuild it is difficult. The design is such that it fails much sooner
>> than the older design.
>
> OK, so they fucked up on something as simple as door locks. That
> probably saved them 3 cents per car, and put the onus onto the owner to
> deal with it for the rest of his ownership of the car.
The "sidewinder" design was chosen for security reasons, not cost.
--
Tegger
Tegger
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> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote
>
>> As for uncomfortable, just those damn headrests alone would keep me
>> from buying a Honda today. No, Honda, you don't have to jam them
>> forward so far you make my chin touch my chest. And I refuse to
>> recline the seatback like a gangsta just to avoid all of that.
>
> I wondered about that too-forward headrest,
It's a"safety" feature. It's supposed to help prevent neck injuries by
preventing the head from being able to move very far in a rear-end
collision.
--
Tegger
jim beam
that might be true, but it doesn't explain why toyota don't seem to be
afflicted in the same way.
--
nomina rutrum rutrum
Grumpy AuContraire
>
> Remember, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
Ain't that the truth. I have more fun driving the hilly winding back
roads in my ancient Civic(s) without worrying about the cops behind the
bill boards on the main roads.
JT
Tegger
> In article <Xns9E4B8FFD...@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <inv...@example.com> wrote:
>
>> > I wondered about that too-forward headrest,
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a"safety" feature. It's supposed to help prevent neck injuries by
>> preventing the head from being able to move very far in a rear-end
>> collision.
>
> And yet, the rest of the car manufacturers don't do it to the extreme
> Honda does.
>
I've been in other cars with a similar inconvenience, I just can't remember
exactly which ones right now.
Some cars have "active" headrests, that snap forwards into that position on
impact. I guess Honda must be trying to save cash.
--
Tegger
Tegger
september.org:
My Canadian province (Ontario) is an exception to the general rule that
sellng the old car yourself saves you money.
Up here, selling the old car yourself is a very expensive, since the
government rigged tax calculations to favor dealer trade-ins against
private sales. That's why private sales have almost totally dried up, with
a few exceptions.
--
Tegger
Tegger
> In article <Xns9E4C5A68...@208.90.168.18>,
> Tegger <inv...@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Up here, selling the old car yourself is a very expensive, since the
>> government rigged tax calculations to favor dealer trade-ins against
>> private sales. That's why private sales have almost totally dried up,
>> with a few exceptions.
>
> Hmmmm. Well, down here the deal is that tax is collected against the
> net transaction--that is, if the car you're buying is $20,000 and the
> dealer shows a $10,000 trade in, sales tax is collected on the $10,000
> difference.
>
> Therefore, you need to sell your car for more than $10,700 (7% tax
> rate) in order to make a private sale be better than a trade-in. It's
> a very simple evaluation. Then there's the hassle factor of a private
> sale, the value of which is unique to every individual. That'll add
> to what a private sale price would be. But there's still a very wide
> gap between a private sale price and what the dealer will ask for it
> once he's put it on the lot, so private sales are still a good deal.
>
> Is that kind of "rigged tax calculation" you're talking about?
Yes.
>
> It hasn't stopped or even slowed private transactions down here, not
> one bit.
Stopped them /dead/ here. Which was just what the dealers were hoping for
when they asked for that change.
--
Tegger
Tegger
news:Xns9E4CAA5B...@208.90.168.18:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
> news:elmop-BB8F3D....@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>
>
>>
>> It hasn't stopped or even slowed private transactions down here, not
>> one bit.
>
>
>
> Stopped them /dead/ here. Which was just what the dealers were hoping
> for when they asked for that change.
>
>
>
Our tax is 13%, by the way.
--
Tegger
Tegger
>
> As for uncomfortable, just those damn headrests alone would keep me
> from buying a Honda today. No, Honda, you don't have to jam them
> forward so far you make my chin touch my chest. And I refuse to
> recline the seatback like a gangsta just to avoid all of that.
>
I think they do that to save money: they get the "safety" of active
headrests without the expense of same, but annoy everybody in the process.
My next car (to be purchased within the next year) will not be a Honda.
--
Tegger
tww1491
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
news:elmop-26E4A0....@news.eternal-september.org...
In article <idt7vr$517$1...@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
"Seth" <sethN...@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
> > I am sorry you're buying another Honda. You'll find out why soon
> > enough. Honda isn't the company it was 10 years ago.
>
> That's sad to hear. But really, what else is the alternative in that
> class
> (both price and what you get for it)? Our 2007 Odyssey has been holding up
> well. Over 60k on that already.
Believe it or not, Hyundai (I think) if you're talking that level of
market. Certainly Nissan.
If you're dead-set on a Honda, buy Acura--they still seem to care at
that level (also see Infiniti). But Honda has turned into a big bag of
shit over the last ten years, and what they're turning out today is
pitiful.
Yes, I have some inside information on that.
I must say that the current offerings by Honda don't do much for me --
Crosstour for example & the Accord coupe is quite ugly. I currently drive
an 06 I4 Accord coupe and have had very good service out of it. If I were to
replace it I suppose Hyundai or Nissan (altima) would be the alternatives.
Fred Atkinson
<sethN...@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>Well after 10 years of service and over 266,000 miles my '01 Accord EX-V6
>Auto is finally leaving the family. This is the combination that Honda
>extended the warranty on to like 109,000 miles. Never needed anything done
>to it. That is until recently and now every morning I have a P0780 error.
>So with that in mind I'm replacing her with a 2011 EX-L/Navi but this time
>going with the i4.
>
>Of the things I'll miss from the old one the one that for some reason sticks
>out the most is Homelink. Honda only puts that in the v6 version of the car
>for some odd reason.
>
>Well here's to another 10 years and a quarter million miles!
>
>
My 1996 Honda Civic CX Hatchback is sitting outside in the
apartment's parking lot. It has three hundred thousand miles on it.
Aside from having to put a quart of oil in it every time I
fill up, it is running just fine. I keep it around as a 'chores and
errands' car.
I just purchased a 2010 Honda Fit sports model. I expect it
to do that well, too.
I've had two Chevy's (one used, one new) and two Ford
Mustangs. American cars and dealers have caused me a lot of pain.
I'm on my third Honda and I'm always been very pleased.
I've come to the conclusion that you can't go wrong with
Honda.
Fred
tww1491
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
news:elmop-26E4A0....@news.eternal-september.org...
In article <idt7vr$517$1...@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
"Seth" <sethN...@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
> > I am sorry you're buying another Honda. You'll find out why soon
> > enough. Honda isn't the company it was 10 years ago.
>
> That's sad to hear. But really, what else is the alternative in that
> class
> (both price and what you get for it)? Our 2007 Odyssey has been holding up
> well. Over 60k on that already.
Believe it or not, Hyundai (I think) if you're talking that level of
market. Certainly Nissan.
the Altima.
Doug
(with or without your inside info). From what I read, it's still ok
but it's not advancing like some other car makers are. In my opinion,
Honda is just putting out the same product that looks slightly
different each year. Maybe they feel if it works, don't change it. I
can live with that but I think I'm in the minority.
jim beam
> In article<74ege7h7ib94t03np...@4ax.com>,
>
>> I know I'm replying to an old post but that said, I have to disagree
>> (with or without your inside info). From what I read, it's still ok
>> but it's not advancing like some other car makers are.
>
>
> Did I mention I have some inside information directly from a long-time
> Honda engineer?
it's a slow day - go ahead and lay it on us one more time...
--
nomina rutrum rutrum
Seth
news:elmop-2B1B87....@news.eternal-september.org...
>> (with or without your inside info). From what I read, it's still ok
>> but it's not advancing like some other car makers are.
>
>
> Did I mention I have some inside information directly from a long-time
> Honda engineer?
free. Only "complaint" is I think the sensor for the auto headlights is a
little sensitive.
Doug
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <74ege7h7ib94t03np...@4ax.com>,
> "Doug" <noemail...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> (with or without your inside info). From what I read, it's still ok
>> but it's not advancing like some other car makers are.
>
>
>Did I mention I have some inside information directly from a long-time
>Honda engineer?
not discounting inside information but that might just be his opinion
too. For all I know, maybe some of what I read also came from inside
sources (I don't remember now).
Howard Lester
> I've read from multiple sources and you got it from one source. I'm
> not discounting inside information but that might just be his opinion
> too. For all I know, maybe some of what I read also came from inside
> sources (I don't remember now).
works on other brands), and used to work at a Honda dealership, told me last
week that he is finding Honda's reliability has indeed gone downhill, and
therefore he no longer owns Hondas. He recently bought a Toyota Avalon. I'm
starting to look at Camrys now.
jim beam
integras and ef/eg civics. the toyota dealer techs are driving bmw and
mercedes. go figure.
my next new car is going to be a vw gti with dsg transmission. maybe
not as reliable as my old civics, but honda have lost the plot and i
refuse to buy another. not only is their technology sadly outdated,
they've completely lost touch with any concept of preserving "customer
loyalty".
--
nomina rutrum rutrum
Doug
beginning to think I might want to check them out for my next car.
Sorta hate to leave Honda tho as I've had 2 Accords in a row and I
liked them both but it's hard to argue with your mechanic. Thanks.
SMS
> For what it's worth, my mechanic, who runs a Honda specialist shop (and
> works on other brands), and used to work at a Honda dealership, told me
> last week that he is finding Honda's reliability has indeed gone
> downhill, and therefore he no longer owns Hondas. He recently bought a
> Toyota Avalon. I'm starting to look at Camrys now.
five years or so, before you'll likely end up with a lot of big ticket
repairs like transmissions. Toyota, despite some bad publicity last
year, is far ahead of Honda in long term reliability. For Honda it can
work out well, because the resale values on Hondas is still high so you
can sell it before it starts requiring a lot of expensive repairs and
buy another one. With a Toyota, at 15 years or so you'll start having a
bump in repair costs, mainly for cooling systems (those plastic
radiators will crack) and stuff like EGR valves and valve cover gaskets,
but pretty minor stuff.
My mechanic (any my brother-in-law) loves Hondas--he makes a lot of
money on them. He recently replaced the transmission in an Accord that
the owner didn't want to fix and gave the vehicle to his daughter. Since
he did the labor, the cost was only about $500 for the rebuilt
transmission, but if someone came in for the job he would charge
$1500-2000, which is more than most people want to spend on a 5+ year
old car.
He tells people to buy Toyotas, not just because of the reliability, but
because Toyota runs the automotive technology program at the local
community college, and he takes the advanced Toyota classes there so
he's able to repair more complicated issues on Toyotas, generally
involving stuff like the emissions systems sensors.
He's not a fan of other Japanese or Korean makes, not because they are
unreliable, but because parts tend to be much more expensive and harder
to obtain. He will use OEM parts on many repairs because the
after-market parts are often very poor quality, but in some cases the
after-market parts are fine, and far less expensive (plastic radiators
are one example).
Doug
wrote:
>On 12/14/2011 9:28 AM, Howard Lester wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth, my mechanic, who runs a Honda specialist shop (and
>> works on other brands), and used to work at a Honda dealership, told me
>> last week that he is finding Honda's reliability has indeed gone
>> downhill, and therefore he no longer owns Hondas. He recently bought a
>> Toyota Avalon. I'm starting to look at Camrys now.
>
>Honda has taken a big dive in terms of longevity. But they're fine for
>five years or so, before you'll likely end up with a lot of big ticket
>repairs like transmissions. Toyota, despite some bad publicity last
>year, is far ahead of Honda in long term reliability. For Honda it can
>work out well, because the resale values on Hondas is still high so you
>can sell it before it starts requiring a lot of expensive repairs and
>buy another one. With a Toyota, at 15 years or so you'll start having a
>bump in repair costs, mainly for cooling systems (those plastic
>radiators will crack) and stuff like EGR valves and valve cover gaskets,
>but pretty minor stuff.
>
>My mechanic (any my brother-in-law) loves Hondas--he makes a lot of
>money on them. He recently replaced the transmission in an Accord that
>the owner didn't want to fix and gave the vehicle to his daughter. Since
>he did the labor, the cost was only about $500 for the rebuilt
>transmission, but if someone came in for the job he would charge
to repair it was $1500 + so I didn't want to spend that on a 15 year
old car so I got another Honda. I like the information you posted.
Thanks.
Douglas C. Neidermeyer
--
The lion may be king of the jungle, but airdrop him into Antarctica and
he's just a penguin's bitch.
-- James Pickett
Howard Lester
> Funny you mention this because after seeing a Camry commercial, I was
> beginning to think I might want to check them out for my next car.
> Sorta hate to leave Honda tho as I've had 2 Accords in a row and I
> liked them both but it's hard to argue with your mechanic. Thanks.
'04 Accord 4-cyl with 74000 miles. Knock on particle board, the Accord has
had no trouble whatsoever save for premature rear brake pad wear at about
30,000. The reason I'm now looking at Camrys is in case the Accord gets run
over by a train, I'll be in position to make a quick decision on a
replacement.
jim beam
engines are retrograde with sintered con rods and cast cranks. and
their suspension is retrograde going from wishbone to macpherson. throw
in their losing the plot on the crx and integra, together with lack of
subie or evo killer and you have a pretty sorry story. at least toyota
[toyobaru] are bringing back the hatchiroku.
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Seth
> In article <jcah63$6l1$1...@nocheese.eternal-september.org>,
>
>> > From what you've *read*?
>> >
>> > Did I mention I have some inside information directly from a long-time
>> > Honda engineer?
>>
>> Well 1 year and 31,000 miles later and she's holding up fine and trouble
>> free.
>
>
> But that's not what we're talking about.
Well it's all I have to on so far as I got rid of my 2001 at 266,xxx miles.
Douglas C. Neidermeyer
jim beam
> In article<jcb6nr$h0i$1...@dont-email.me>,
>
>> I'm on my 4th new Honda since 1982: '82, '91, and '97 Civics, and now an
>> '04 Accord 4-cyl with 74000 miles. Knock on particle board, the Accord has
>> had no trouble whatsoever save for premature rear brake pad wear at about
>> 30,000.
>
> mention the brakes--let me tell you, that has turned into a Honda weak
> spot the last several years.
bummer. honda brakes used to be excellent.
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GrumpyOne
JT