Rice-Boys? What about the City Cowboys?
Jacek Kieca
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James (jth...@pacbell.net) wrote:
: > Hey, guy, wait until you see a lowered 4x4 jeep! Yup, people take a nice
: > mid-late 90's Jeep, and put small wheels & tires on it. The small wheels
: > have enough incorrect backspacing to push them about 5 or 6 inches out
: past
: > the fenders. Then they lower it so the tires almost tag the fenders!
: It's
: > so damn funny to see a Jeep have to go sideways over a speed bump to keep
: > it's undercarriage from scraping...
: >
: That's pretty funny and I'd like to see one, but here's
Yes, let's leave the Rice-boys alone and let them play with their stickers, and lets
concentrate on a bigger waste! What's with American trend for trucks? I mean people buy
those heave, old fashioned, gas guzzling, slow, akward to manouver, monsters just to drive
their chewawa to a nearby park! C'mon, let's be sensible here! Why would you buy a full
size pick up truck if you own a single bedroom appartament and your pet is a hamster? What
do you need a truck for then? Or what do you need a 4X4 SUV (Sport-Utilty Vehicle) if the
most off-roading you do is jumping the curb by a nearby Seven-Eleven?
There is something wrong with america! We have to put up with these dinosaurs on the
roads! There heavy with hideous performance and people pay premiums to own a truck! Funny
thing is most of those Explorers and Jimmies are rear wheel drive (not even 4X4) and they
have commanding driving position, but so many people drop them like 8" making the driving
position actaually lower than in a Mazda Miata!
Anyways it's time to address this problem! I mean let's face it! Which trend is more
unsafe? the 4x4 trucks with bull bars or Rice rockets with the stickers? Last time I've
checked, stickers tend to be not sharp and quite flush with the body! And then the lowered
trucks! Why do we have to put up with some morons crossing speed bumps diagonally because
he doesn't want to scrape the neons underneeth his low rider! C'mon! Let's get real!
Pocket Rockets, just like nice muscle cars can be fun to drive, and let's not be particular
On the other hand trucks should be with held only for farm and commercial use. No
usless 4X4s and lowered trucks should be allowed to be registered! Savings in steel,
energy, fuel, and money would be great! better visibilty on the roads (especially for
the drivers of conventional cars tired of putting up with the truck crap) and safer
streets! I mean if you would ever be to be struck by a vechicle, I bet Civic is more
friendly of an outcome! Lower, energy absorbing thinner body, no bull bars! A jacked up
4X4 may throw you underneath the wheels! and injuries resulting from being run over by a
6600 lbs truck or hit from it's bull bar will be more severe than hitting the windshield
of a civic with your head!
We should do something about this truck crap!
fearless (J.K.)
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Jacek Kieca wrote:
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> James (jth...@pacbell.net) wrote:
> : > Hey, guy, wait until you see a lowered 4x4 jeep! Yup, people take a nice
> : > mid-late 90's Jeep, and put small wheels & tires on it. The small wheels
> : > have enough incorrect backspacing to push them about 5 or 6 inches out
> : past
> : > the fenders. Then they lower it so the tires almost tag the fenders!
> : It's
> : > so damn funny to see a Jeep have to go sideways over a speed bump to keep
> : > it's undercarriage from scraping...
> : >
>
> : That's pretty funny and I'd like to see one, but here's
> Yes, let's leave the Rice-boys alone and let them play with their stickers, and lets
> concentrate on a bigger waste! What's with American trend for trucks? I mean people buy
> those heave, old fashioned, gas guzzling, slow, akward to manouver, monsters just to drive
> their chewawa to a nearby park! C'mon, let's be sensible here! Why would you buy a full
> size pick up truck if you own a single bedroom appartament and your pet is a hamster?
Boy, weren't you trashing me for stereotyping people in groups and not
letting them do their own thing? Bit of a hypocrite, eh?
> What
> do you need a truck for then? Or what do you need a 4X4 SUV (Sport-Utilty Vehicle) if the
> most off-roading you do is jumping the curb by a nearby Seven-Eleven?
Why do you need a honda covered with stickers on a 4 inch tip? Do you
think you'll ever be fast or something?
> There is something wrong with america!
Yeah, they sure stood by and let people come and turn it to hell.
> We have to put up with these dinosaurs on the
> roads!
And hypocrites on the net.
> There heavy with hideous performance and people pay premiums to own a truck! Funny
> thing is most of those Explorers and Jimmies are rear wheel drive (not even 4X4) and they
> have commanding driving position, but so many people drop them like 8" making the driving
> position actaually lower than in a Mazda Miata!
You'll never make an SUV driving position lower than a Mazda Miata.
> Anyways it's time to address this problem! I mean let's face it! Which trend is more
> unsafe? the 4x4 trucks with bull bars or Rice rockets with the stickers? Last time I've
Rice-boys with the stickers.
> checked, stickers tend to be not sharp and quite flush with the body! And then the lowered
> trucks! Why do we have to put up with some morons crossing speed bumps diagonally because
> he doesn't want to scrape the neons underneeth his low rider! C'mon! Let's get real!
> Pocket Rockets, just like nice muscle cars can be fun to drive, and let's not be particular
> On the other hand trucks should be with held only for farm and commercial use. No
> usless 4X4s and lowered trucks should be allowed to be registered!
No useless rice-boys should have gotten their licences!! At least if my
experiences with them on the road is anything to go by.
> Savings in steel,
> energy, fuel, and money would be great!
Nowhere near the time, energy, food and oxygen you'd save without
rice-boys.
> better visibilty on the roads (especially for
> the drivers of conventional cars tired of putting up with the truck crap) and safer
> streets! I mean if you would ever be to be struck by a vechicle, I bet Civic is more
> friendly of an outcome!
Not if it's got the exhaust tip and the stickers. Even moreso if you
have a stupid riceboy leering at you challenging you to a race.
> Lower, energy absorbing thinner body, no bull bars!
Ever hit an animal/person? A bull bar protects your vehicle.
> A jacked up
> 4X4 may throw you underneath the wheels! and injuries resulting from being run over by a
> 6600 lbs truck or hit from it's bull bar will be more severe than hitting the windshield
> of a civic with your head!
The injuries from getting hit by a car PERIOD are high whether it has a
bullbar or not. Another way of looking at it is that with a bullbar you
don't hit the glass, you're less likely to be hurt being hit by a high
car than a low one as you may go under.. . . but I digress. . getting
hit by any vehicle at a higher speed will hurt/kill you more.
> We should do something about this truck crap!
Right after we do something about the idiot drivers (i.e. all the
riceboys plus some others.
> fearless (J.K.)
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>We should do something about this truck crap!
I'm with you on this. My father just bought a Lexus LX450, wtf for I don't
know. It doesn't have much room for rear passangers, eats gas like there's no
tomorrow and slow as shit. Mind you it's a nice car, being a rebadged Landie,
but... I'd rather he got a 540i 6-speed so I could steel it sometimes :) I
myself am getting a GTI VR6, mainly because I want a compact, but need to
stick my Akita inside like once a week. Anyway, back to trucks, it's just a
fashion statement these days, and car companies perpetuate it, never mind
thaty they are making a hell of profit on them as opposed to the
"best-selling" type of cars.
el...@central.cis.upenn.edu.nospam
In article <61mor7$o48$1...@news.goodnet.com>, Ospray <eh...@goodnet.com> wrote:
>jk9...@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca (Jacek Kieca) wrote:
<flush>
>Can wes say rolling coffen.
Now if only we could spell it...
It is really interesting how often bigotry goes with illiteracy.
David Lyons
Jacek Kieca wrote:
>
> There is something wrong with america!
Yep. It's called liberalism, political correctness, sheep mentality,
outcome-based education,
i'm-a-victim--you're-a-victim--we're-all-a-victim, gun control,
environmental wackoism, Big Brother, etc., etc., etc.
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Ospray
jk9...@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca (Jacek Kieca) wrote:
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--->>===> James (jth...@pacbell.net) wrote:
--->>===> : > Hey, guy, wait until you see a lowered 4x4 jeep! Yup, people take a nice
--->>===> : > mid-late 90's Jeep, and put small wheels & tires on it. The small wheels
--->>===> : > have enough incorrect backspacing to push them about 5 or 6 inches out
--->>===> : past
--->>===> : > the fenders. Then they lower it so the tires almost tag the fenders!
--->>===> : It's
--->>===> : > so damn funny to see a Jeep have to go sideways over a speed bump to keep
--->>===> : > it's undercarriage from scraping...
--->>===> : >
--->>===> : That's pretty funny and I'd like to see one, but here's
--->>===> Yes, let's leave the Rice-boys alone and let them play with their stickers, and lets
Rice boys serve no purpose. Like a zit on your face.
--->>===> concentrate on a bigger waste! What's with American trend for trucks? I mean people buy
--->>===> those heave, old fashioned, gas guzzling, slow, akward to manouver, monsters just to drive
--->>===> their chewawa to a nearby park! C'mon, let's be sensible here! Why would you buy a full
--->>===> size pick up truck if you own a single bedroom appartament and your pet is a hamster? What
Point 1 when more on rice burn runs into you he dies you don't. You
can see over trafic and it is much safer. Real frame, 4000lb etc.
Point 2 most people that live in an appartament don't own it and
normaly move every six mounths.
--->>===> do you need a truck for then? Or what do you need a 4X4 SUV (Sport-Utilty Vehicle) if the
--->>===> most off-roading you do is jumping the curb by a nearby Seven-Eleven?
--->>===> There is something wrong with america! We have to put up with these dinosaurs on the
--->>===> roads! There heavy with hideous performance and people pay premiums to own a truck! Funny
--->>===> thing is most of those Explorers and Jimmies are rear wheel drive (not even 4X4) and they
--->>===> have commanding driving position, but so many people drop them like 8" making the driving
--->>===> position actaually lower than in a Mazda Miata!
Were the hell are you from? New York, L.A.? most people use the trucks
for towing from Boats,ATV,Trailers,Dragsters, even the Red Necks use
them with horse trailers.
Why get a 4X4 if you do not need the function. For on highway towing
you use the back 2 drive wheels.
And for the SUV most people use them like station wagons of old.
Better than that front driver crap you get from the Japs. Crappy
little mini vans. Goofy little front drager station wagons.
Wake up and look at the facts Trucks and SUV are a built for a purpose
and do it like thay are supposed to. That Jap Rice Burner crap well.
Can wes say rolling coffen.
--->>===> Anyways it's time to address this problem! I mean let's face it! Which trend is more
--->>===> unsafe? the 4x4 trucks with bull bars or Rice rockets with the stickers? Last time I've
--->>===> checked, stickers tend to be not sharp and quite flush with the body! And then the lowered
I think the truck in with the bars etc. are safer. In a wreck with
some fool weaving in and out of trafic with his little Jap Punk
Mobile. The Guy in the truck would win. The Rice shiter would loose.
Truck=Safe Jap car=Unsafe
You need to go back to school and take some science class with some
Newtons laws and Mass etc.
--->>===> trucks! Why do we have to put up with some morons crossing speed bumps diagonally because
--->>===> he doesn't want to scrape the neons underneeth his low rider! C'mon! Let's get real!
--->>===> Pocket Rockets,
Pocket Rockets=Motercycle not jap car with boom boom sound and no
Balls like the Driver.
--->>===> On the other hand trucks should be with held only for farm and commercial use. No
--->>===> usless 4X4s and lowered trucks should be allowed to be registered! Savings in steel,
You must be a Tree hugger from Berkly. Yes you may now kiss the King
Clintons Ass. We know you wan't to with that junk coming out of your
Ass.
--->>===> energy, fuel, and money would be great! better visibilty on the roads (especially for
--->>===> the drivers of conventional cars tired of putting up with the truck crap) and safer
I think you mean to say the driver in the Jap crap with their ass
sitting 3" off the ground.
--->>===> streets! I mean if you would ever be to be struck by a vechicle, I bet Civic is more
--->>===> friendly of an outcome! Lower, energy absorbing thinner body, no bull bars! A jacked up
--->>===> 4X4 may throw you underneath the wheels! and injuries resulting from being run over by a
Your the Fool who lowered your car. your it's your life so what the
guy in the truck is still safe in his heavy steal cacoon.
--->>===> 6600 lbs truck or hit from it's bull bar will be more severe than hitting the windshield
--->>===> of a civic with your head!
--->>===> We should do something about this truck crap!
Every thing you said bad about trucks and SUV is why people buy them.
safe. stronger. towing moving. etc.
Try craming Mom. Pop and your 3 1/2 kids and 1 dog in a Civic. Lets
join the Circucs. Well you already have with that goofy little rice
burner crap.
--->>===> fearless (J.K.)
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In article <61o7j7$pu4$1...@madrid.visi.net>, "Huggy Bear"
<1234g...@visi.net> wrote:
> Syclone...(why did they spell it like that??)
Because it was based on the *S*-15. So it was a *S*yclone.
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In article <mrmiata-1110...@pm7as.icx.net>, mrm...@nospam.icx.net
(company) wrote:
: In article <61o7j7$pu4$1...@madrid.visi.net>, "Huggy Bear"
: <1234g...@visi.net> wrote:
:
: > Syclone...(why did they spell it like that??)
:
:
: Because it was based on the *S*-15. So it was a *S*yclone.
:
Also, I believe Ford has the Cyclone name protected (was the Mercury Cyclone).
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Huggy Bear
>There is something wrong with america! We have to put up with these
dinosaurs on the
>roads! There heavy with hideous performance and people pay premiums to own
a truck! Funny
>thing is most of those Explorers and Jimmies are rear wheel drive (not even
4X4) and they
>have commanding driving position, but so many people drop them like 8"
making the driving
>position actaually lower than in a Mazda Miata!
There's a few of those dinosaur, 4x4 sport utils that would shame the finest
performance cars, Typhoon... Syclone...(why did they spell it like that??)
;)
Huggy
Marc
dpdr...@REMOVE-THISexecpc.com (Eye of the Storm) said:
>On 10 Oct 1997 16:15:02 GMT, jk9...@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca (Jacek Kieca) wrote:
>>Yes, let's leave the Rice-boys alone and let them play with their stickers, and lets
>>concentrate on a bigger waste! What's with American trend for trucks? I mean people buy
>>those heave, old fashioned, gas guzzling, slow, akward to manouver, monsters just to drive
>>their chewawa to a nearby park! C'mon, let's be sensible here! Why would you buy a full
>>size pick up truck if you own a single bedroom appartament and your pet is a hamster? What
>>do you need a truck for then? Or what do you need a 4X4 SUV (Sport-Utilty Vehicle) if the
>>most off-roading you do is jumping the curb by a nearby Seven-Eleven?
>Why does anybody need anything more than a moped?
It's hard to properly merge on an expressway with a 70mph limit on a moped.
You can't take a passenger and a few bags of groceries (or other sundries)
on a moped. I do both at least once a week. How often do people put their
4X4s to use?
Marc
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Oden
lray...@sisna.com wrote:
> Most people don't buy SUVs and trucks because they actually
> need the extra space or off-road capability. They usually buy
> them because they like them.
They buy them because they are cattle.
Say "moo".
FoMoCo builds more trucks and SUV's than cars... why? Because you "like
them" or because FoMoCo has a 15-20% larger margin on such automotive
jokes.
The answer, Madison Avenue says, is: 2 1/2 chillins, One Honda (or Camry), and
one Explorer... and don't forget those Visa cards too, chump.
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It's been awhile since I've been here, but I thought this was for newsgroup
was for Mercedes?
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lray...@sisna.com wrote in article
<winWeb11O...@ogden10.sisna.com>...
>
> >
> > Anyways it's time to address this problem! I mean let's face it!
Which trend is more
> > unsafe? the 4x4 trucks with bull bars or Rice rockets with the
stickers? Last time I've
> > checked, stickers tend to be not sharp and quite flush with the body!
And then the lowered
> > trucks! Why do we have to put up with some morons crossing speed bumps
diagonally because
> > he doesn't want to scrape the neons underneeth his low rider! C'mon!
Let's get real!
> > Pocket Rockets, just like nice muscle cars can be fun to drive, and
let's not be particular
> > On the other hand trucks should be with held only for farm and
commercial use. No
> > usless 4X4s and lowered trucks should be allowed to be registered!
Savings in steel,
> > energy, fuel, and money would be great! better visibilty on the roads
(especially for
> > the drivers of conventional cars tired of putting up with the truck
crap) and safer
> > streets! I mean if you would ever be to be struck by a vechicle, I bet
Civic is more
> > friendly of an outcome! Lower, energy absorbing thinner body, no bull
bars! A jacked up
> > 4X4 may throw you underneath the wheels! and injuries resulting from
being run over by a
> > 6600 lbs truck or hit from it's bull bar will be more severe than
hitting the windshield
> > of a civic with your head!
> >
> > We should do something about this truck crap!
> >
> > fearless (J.K.)
> >
>
>
>
> Oh, look! I found the exclamation point button on my keyboard
> just like the guy above! I can't believe it! What do I do with it?!
> I guess I just use it at the end of every sentence until it wears
> out!
>
> If you lower a truck or SUV, it's more likely to simply collide with
> your Civic than drive over the top of it. Which would you rather
> experience?
>
> Hey, I don't want some pedestrian totalling my Civic and me, too.
> I'll stick with my SUV, thanks.
>
> Most people don't buy SUVs and trucks because they actually
> need the extra space or off-road capability. They usually buy
> them because they like them. Have you ever bought something
> simply because you liked it? Maybe ice cream? A nice stereo for
> your Civic, perhaps?
>
> Mike
>
WindsorLX
Jacek Kieca wrote:
> Yes, let's leave the Rice-boys alone and let them play with their
> stickers, and lets
> concentrate on a bigger waste! What's with American trend for
> trucks? I mean people buy
> those heave, old fashioned, gas guzzling, slow, akward to manouver,
> monsters just to drive
> their chewawa to a nearby park! C'mon, let's be sensible here! Why
> would you buy a full
> size pick up truck if you own a single bedroom appartament and your
> pet is a hamster? What
> do you need a truck for then? Or what do you need a 4X4 SUV
> (Sport-Utilty Vehicle) if the
> most off-roading you do is jumping the curb by a nearby Seven-Eleven?
>
> There is something wrong with america! We have to put up with these
> dinosaurs on the
> roads! There heavy with hideous performance and people pay premiums
> to own a truck! Funny
> thing is most of those Explorers and Jimmies are rear wheel drive (not
> even 4X4) and they
> have commanding driving position, but so many people drop them like 8"
> making the driving
> position actaually lower than in a Mazda Miata!
>
Why? Does it scare you when you look over and can't see anything but a
big rocker panel? Worse yet, whe you see it's a short wheelbase, 5
speed Tritan, or 360 Magnum, with Flow Masters and... Why's that guy
have M&H's on a TRUCK??? Then he blows you away...
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In article <344009...@onramp.net>,
Oden <od...@onramp.net> writes:
> lray...@sisna.com wrote:
>
> > Most people don't buy SUVs and trucks because they actually
> > need the extra space or off-road capability. They usually buy
> > them because they like them.
>
>
> Say "moo".
>
> FoMoCo builds more trucks and SUV's than cars... why? Because you "like
> them" or because FoMoCo has a 15-20% larger margin on such automotive
> jokes.
You're a quick thinker. Of course they build a lot
of truck and SUVs -- that's what sells! Imagine that:
Ford builds and sells products a lot of people want to
buy so it can make a profit. As with any purchase,
truck and SUV buyers want them, need them, or both.
Mike
Matt
L. Dodds wrote:
>
> In article <01bcd6d2$911240a0$1c51d3cf@hp-customer>, "Terry P." <nos...@calweb.com> wrote:
> ``It's been awhile since I've been here, but I thought this was for newsgroup
> ``was for Mercedes?
>
> Your so naive. ;)
>
> This is a place where we can see the stereotypical testosterone driven racist
> assholes that are so prevalent across the North American automotive scene.
In North America I have see far more prevalently inappropriate use of
the word "racist".
> It's funny that they can't rejoice in the fact that they all share the same
> interest, but rather let it degenerate into a penis-size war.
>
> No, I thank the moronic bastards who so easily show their ignorance and
> close-mindedness by using the word Rice-Boy.
What is ignorant about using "Rice-Boy?"
I've worked on growing rice (and not in an Asian country). Perhaps you
should too. There's nothing racial about it.
> It makes my job of reading the
> newsgroups that much easier, and makes my killfile that much larger.
Good for you.
.
Adam S. Bruce
On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 05:17:22 -0400, David Lyons
<lyo...@mindspring.org> wrote:
>Jacek Kieca wrote:
>>
>> There is something wrong with america!
>
>Yep. It's called liberalism, political correctness, sheep mentality,
>outcome-based education,
>i'm-a-victim--you're-a-victim--we're-all-a-victim, gun control,
>environmental wackoism, Big Brother, etc., etc., etc.
Something tells me you and I would get along :)
-Adam whose old sig read,,,,,
"The only tire smoking rubber melting non-politicly correct Art Major
to graduate from FSU"
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Rainman
>
>There's a few of those dinosaur, 4x4 sport utils that would shame the
finest
>performance cars, Typhoon... Syclone...(why did they spell it like that??)
>
>;)
>Huggy
>
I'd love to see that happen.
cheers rainman
Rainman
Relax dude, nobody's blowing anybody away, I thought this page was suppose
to be about driving. Yeah DRIVING, the pure excitement of speed and
experiencing the uncontrollable
Cheers, Rainman
Marc
dpdr...@REMOVE-THISexecpc.com (Eye of the Storm) said:
>>It's hard to properly merge on an expressway with a 70mph limit on a moped.
>>You can't take a passenger and a few bags of groceries (or other sundries)
>>on a moped. I do both at least once a week. How often do people put their
>>4X4s to use?
>Daily. They do the same things. Shop, haul kids to and from school or soccer
>practice, etc.
That isn't putting a "4X4" to use, but putting their station wagon to use.
It just happens that their station wagon weights about 5000lbs and has a
largely unused 4X4 system.
Freestyle
L. Dodds <umd...@cc.chickenfat.umanitoba.ca> claimed:
>In article <01bcd6d2$911240a0$1c51d3cf@hp-customer>, "Terry P." <nos...@calweb.com> wrote:
>``It's been awhile since I've been here, but I thought this was for newsgroup
>``was for Mercedes?
You'd be surprised how many newsgroups this thread is polluting:
rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang,rec.autos.makers.honda,
rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata,rec.autos.driving,alt.auto.mercedes,
alt.autos.bmw,alt.autos.camaro.firebird,alt.autos.dsm,alt.autos.ford,
alt.autos.nissan,alt.autos.mitsubishi,alt.autos.porsche
>No, I thank the moronic bastards who so easily show their ignorance and
>close-mindedness by using the word Rice-Boy. It makes my job of reading the
>newsgroups that much easier, and makes my killfile that much larger.
Come to think of it, killfiling everything cross-posted to more than three
newsgroups would probably be even easier and twice as effective.
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: Hey, I don't want some pedestrian totalling my Civic and me, too.
: I'll stick with my SUV, thanks.
: Mike
Mike,
I think people who live in cities and uselessly buy SUVs should be charged with a man
slaughter in a case of hitting a pedestrian! And if they have a bull bar installed then
they should also be charged for assault with weapon! What do you care if some pedestrian
totals your Civic? Wouldn't you rather be happy that you saved someone's life by driving a
"freindlier" car? And if you pay insurance like you should on your car than what do you
care? And if you would rather have a SUV and so it won't be totaled by the edestrian, why
don't you become a real rebel, stop paying insurance! all that you ever will experience is
a scratch on your brush bar and few blood spots! I guess with the money saved on not
paying the insurance you'll be able to buy some more of the car wash, wax and polish
products to clean your "weapon" after each of those little mishaps!
In case you haven't realized that it's much easier to stop a 1500 lbs. Cicvc than a 6600
lbs. Navigator! There fore in a Civic it is less of a owrry strucking a pedestrian in the
first place! Because you will be able to brake and avoid! In a Navigator instead you will
watch the human being splatter on the front of your macho truck, or being run over like a
speed bump!
We all have our own views! I just think that City Cowboys are just as much of useless
culture as rice boys! And both make life difficult for us, regular auto enthusiasts!
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Huggy Bear (1234g...@visi.net) wrote:
: >There is something wrong with america! We have to put up with these
: dinosaurs on the
: >roads! There heavy with hideous performance and people pay premiums to own
: a truck! Funny
: >thing is most of those Explorers and Jimmies are rear wheel drive (not even
: 4X4) and they
: >have commanding driving position, but so many people drop them like 8"
: making the driving
: >position actaually lower than in a Mazda Miata!
: There's a few of those dinosaur, 4x4 sport utils that would shame the finest
: performance cars, Typhoon... Syclone...(why did they spell it like that??)
: ;)
: Huggy
Huggy,
listen, we have this dispute in the esxhaust tip depratment as well. Here is a difference!
When I refer to 4X4s and SUVs, I meantrucks like Tahoe, Explorer, Epedition or a Jimmy.
Typhoon and Cyclone were high performance all-wheel drive (not off road 4X4 you confuse
them with) vehicles with high performance engines. They were useless trucks! What they
were is a sports car in truck's clothing! Check out their ground clearance, payload, and
towing capabilities! Then you'll realize they cannot be considered those dinosaurs that
most trucks are! Typhoon and Cyclone were awesome, limited production toys! Made to look
like a regular Sonoma or a Jimmy!
I oppose the 4X4s, and you should understand it! Driving the SVT Contour of yours or that
sports bike you must notice that roads are full of these obese vehicles! usually driven by
only one person, those trucks take up a lot os pace on the road, guzzle gas like crazy, are
hard to look around in the city traffic (crucial if you drive defensively), and because of
their useless weight they have longer braking distances! What it means is that when one
follows you when you're on your bike, you may brake and avoid accident in front of you!
But the truck behind you will splatter you!
fearless
Matt
These cars don't actually take up any more space, except vertically,
unless you are the idiot who goes around other cars on the shoulder and
now doesn't have room.
> guzzle gas like crazy, are
> hard to look around in the city traffic (crucial if you drive defensively), and because of
> their useless weight they have longer braking distances! What it means is that when one
> follows you when you're on your bike, you may brake and avoid accident in front of you!
> But the truck behind you will splatter you!
Same if you were followed by a ratbox honda, what's your point.
.
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: In article <61mor7$o48$1...@news.goodnet.com>, Ospray <eh...@goodnet.com> wrote:
: >jk9...@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca (Jacek Kieca) wrote:
: <flush>
: >Can wes say rolling coffen.
: Now if only we could spell it...
: It is really interesting how often bigotry goes with illiteracy.
Funny that you have mentioned it! Because this illiterate 4X4 junkie, tried to insult me
and you have just proven that insteadof thinking how to put those 4X4 stickers on his rear
wheel drive Chev, he should concentrate on some school work! Maybe in ten years he will
finally get his High School diploma! and maybe then he will get the joke that the truck
makers made! Because he thinks that 4X4 is so much better, yet unfortunately it's not a
math class! And in automotive world 4X4 has still only 4 wheels and not 16 as the name
would suggest!
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: Jacek Kieca wrote:
: >
: > There is something wrong with america!
: Yep. It's called liberalism, political correctness, sheep mentality,
: outcome-based education,
: i'm-a-victim--you're-a-victim--we're-all-a-victim, gun control,
: environmental wackoism, Big Brother, etc., etc., etc.
: --
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: mailto:lyo...@mindspring.org <- change org to com
: http://www.mindspring.com/~lyonsd
I just wish that big brother would explain Americans that if they would loose 50 lbs.,
leave their pets home and compromise by leaving their living room furnishings where they
belong rather than bringing all that junk along for a ride, half of them would not need any
of those useless SUVs!
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Sounds like you can bash with the best of them. I think I hear your wife calling you, Mr.
Righteous.
L. Dodds wrote:
> In article <01bcd6d2$911240a0$1c51d3cf@hp-customer>, "Terry P." <nos...@calweb.com> wrote:
> ``It's been awhile since I've been here, but I thought this was for newsgroup
> ``was for Mercedes?
>
> Your so naive. ;)
>
> This is a place where we can see the stereotypical testosterone driven racist
> assholes that are so prevalent across the North American automotive scene.
> It's funny that they can't rejoice in the fact that they all share the same
> interest, but rather let it degenerate into a penis-size war.
>
> No, I thank the moronic bastards who so easily show their ignorance and
> close-mindedness by using the word Rice-Boy. It makes my job of reading the
> newsgroups that much easier, and makes my killfile that much larger.
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Eye of the Storm (dpdr...@REMOVE-THISexecpc.com) wrote:
: On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:51:34 GMT, Gum...@tamu.edu (Marc) wrote:
: >It's hard to properly merge on an expressway with a 70mph limit on a moped.
: >You can't take a passenger and a few bags of groceries (or other sundries)
: >on a moped. I do both at least once a week. How often do people put their
: >4X4s to use?
: Daily. They do the same things. Shop, haul kids to and from school or soccer
: practice, etc.
Funny, because you should be able to explain how is a SUV better in the groccery/kids
hauling than a station wagon or a minivan! Can you? I mean, just out of curiousity, do you
switch to low4WD and drive across the grass bolevouard to get to the Walmart, or do you use
the road? If you use the later, tell me how is a SUV off-road vehicle better on pavement
than a car! DO you use your SUV for something useful? Like what? A once a year fishing
trip outside your city to the nearest reast stop on the nearby Interstate? To fish for a
three eyed fish in a river that originates at some dirty plant in your town? Do you really
need a SUV for that sort of ammusing stuff?
fearless
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Marc (Gum...@tamu.edu) wrote:
: dpdr...@REMOVE-THISexecpc.com (Eye of the Storm) said:
: >On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:51:34 GMT, Gum...@tamu.edu (Marc) wrote:
: >>4X4s to use?
: >Daily. They do the same things. Shop, haul kids to and from school or soccer
: >practice, etc.
: That isn't putting a "4X4" to use, but putting their station wagon to use.
: It just happens that their station wagon weights about 5000lbs and has a
: largely unused 4X4 system.
Marc,
I aggree! What a waste! They buy ugly heavy trucks, overpay for them, get 4X4 system
they will never use, only to do things that not only a minivan would perform, but also a
wagon! Heck most of the grocery shopping ang 3-kid hauling jobs can be very easily done by
a very adequate family sedan in the likes of Accord ofr Passat! And those cars (NOT
TRUCKs) are MUCH, MUCH MORE FUN to drive than any of the TRUCKS (read: not cars) they end
up wasting their money in!
Chad Royse (Netcom)
Driving big powerful vehicles is part of our heritage as much as apple pie. People who drive these vehicles love to drive and love those types of vehicles. People like you, drive to get
from A to B, and like to bitch. Why don't you just ride a bus?
Don't be mad at them because you don't have the same enthusiasm for your Honda. Also, get the facts you idiot. Do you know that the Expedition has more tire surface area on the road, the
extra weight adds to the coefficient of friction of that area, and they have much larger diameter rotors and drums to take advantage of all that. Are you really sure there is a significant
difference in stopping distance between that and your "Wagon-Wheeled" Civic? Oh... and the biggest variable in stopping distance... SPEED.
Jacek Kieca wrote:
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dpdr...@REMOVE-THISexecpc.com (Eye of the Storm) wrote:
>And people wonder why there is no peace in the Middle East? You people are arguing
>about others choice in vehicles! At least the ragheads have something deep like
>relgion to go at each others throats over.
>
>
Ragheads? Whatever. Did you know that Chevrolet outsells all other
car makes in the Gulf States? Please post on topic from now on!
devil_bat
Oden <od...@onramp.net> wrote:
>They buy them because they are cattle.
>
>Say "moo".
>
>FoMoCo builds more trucks and SUV's than cars... why? Because you "like
>them" or because FoMoCo has a 15-20% larger margin on such automotive
>jokes.
>
>The answer, Madison Avenue says, is: 2 1/2 chillins, One Honda (or Camry), and
>one Explorer... and don't forget those Visa cards too, chump.
>
>--
Hey, Oden. Stay out of rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang! We have some
accomplished flamers in here who could toast you to a crisp. However,
we'd rather have serious discussions about Mustangs. Keep your lames
to yourself, fuckloaf.
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Eye of the Storm (dpdr...@REMOVE-THISexecpc.com) wrote:
: More stylish? To who? Lesson number 1: People have different ideas of style.
well, if you think that trucks are more stilish, you probably also wear toxedo-T-shirts and
spendex for all occasions! Funny that you americans talk about style when most of you
don't have none! the whole world laughs at your moronic idea of style! and that includes
trucks and those ugly Taurus/Sable twins! Only an american car can be ruined so badly! Of
course if I would have to choose between a Taurus and a truck, the truck would appear more
stylish and more purporse looking!
: >enough! And it's a much safer vehicle for her kids when they will jump out on the street
: >to chase their ball! A pasanger car may end up injuring a pedastrain! A hopped up 4X4
: >with a bull bar will squish a human being same way the bugs get squished on everyone's
: >windshield!
: Sizing cars based on how much damage they will do to a pedestrian? That is
: rediculous. It's just as easy to go the other way and state that everyone should
: drive trucks because a deer is less likely to come through the windshield.
If you live on a farm or something than truck does make a sense! And there you're more
likely to come accross a dear than a pedestrian anyways! But incase you have forgotten we
talk here about City Cowboys, a useless and tacky subculture just like Rice Boys that makes
everyone's life hell! they need big ass trucks to haul their ass around congested city
streets, where it's more likely they will come acroos a pedestrian (likely a kid) than a
deer! But if you actually enjoy hunting down Bambis around the town, then go ahead stick
to your moronic SUV!
: BTW, if a person is literallyrun over by a truck, they stand more of a chance of
: surviving. Ground clearance.
I believe that a person is more likely to be less hurt from the impact of their scull
against a windsheild than that same scull being run over by an off-road tire supporting
6000 lbs. of steel you csall a truck!
company
> I believe that a person is more likely to be less hurt from the impact
of their scull
> against a windsheild than that same scull being run over by an off-road
tire supporting
> 6000 lbs. of steel you csall a truck!
Well, that would depend on if your scull was in the water or on land... Come
to think of it, a windshield and 6000 lbs. of steel would each sink my scull...
Methinks someone doesn't have both oars in the water.
Scott
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Jacek Kieca wrote:
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> I just wish that big brother would explain Americans that if they would loose 50 lbs.,
> leave their pets home and compromise by leaving their living room furnishings where they
> belong rather than bringing all that junk along for a ride, half of them would not need any
> of those useless SUVs!
Naah, people should just stop telling other people how to live when it's
none of their business. The only way people like this are hurting you
is your ego from having a more versatile car.
Matt
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> lray...@sisna.com wrote:
>
> : Hey, I don't want some pedestrian totalling my Civic and me, too.
> : I'll stick with my SUV, thanks.
>
> : Mike
>
> Mike,
> I think people who live in cities and uselessly buy SUVs should be charged with a man
> slaughter in a case of hitting a pedestrian! And if they have a bull bar installed then
> they should also be charged for assault with weapon! What do you care if some pedestrian
> totals your Civic? Wouldn't you rather be happy that you saved someone's life by driving a
> "freindlier" car? And if you pay insurance like you should on your car than what do you
> care? And if you would rather have a SUV and so it won't be totaled by the edestrian, why
> don't you become a real rebel, stop paying insurance! all that you ever will experience is
> a scratch on your brush bar and few blood spots! I guess with the money saved on not
> paying the insurance you'll be able to buy some more of the car wash, wax and polish
> products to clean your "weapon" after each of those little mishaps!
God damn, you're an idiot. And as such you may find that "idiot" cars
like yours (hondas with young idiots in them) tend to end up in more
accidents than those "Weapons".
> In case you haven't realized that it's much easier to stop a 1500 lbs. Cicvc than a 6600
> lbs. Navigator! There fore in a Civic it is less of a owrry strucking a pedestrian in the
> first place! Because you will be able to brake and avoid! In a Navigator instead you will
> watch the human being splatter on the front of your macho truck, or being run over like a
> speed bump!
You clearly need help.
> We all have our own views! I just think that City Cowboys are just as much of useless
> culture as rice boys! And both make life difficult for us, regular auto enthusiasts!
Nope. You yourself have claimed some of the benefits of SUVS (which you
expect the drivers to give up) whereas rice-cars are worthless in every
respect.
.
Thomas Ploskon
Gum...@tamu.edu (Marc) writes:
>It's hard to properly merge on an expressway with a 70mph limit on a moped.
>You can't take a passenger and a few bags of groceries (or other sundries)
>on a moped. I do both at least once a week. How often do people put their
>4X4s to use?
>Marc
I just think the commercials for these SUV's are funny as hell!
You know the ones.. "Winter's coming! Get yourself a (blank) because it's
great in snow! Comes with Automatic, Cruise, and a/c!" I still don't
understand why they brag about those features when they talk about snow.
Anyway, while the announcer is talking away, the driver is busy speeding
through snow (probably unable to stop), sliding the rear of the SUV out,
crashing through huge snow drifts, etc..
My Firebird does that! :)
-Tom P
1986 Firebird SC: 173 (2.8l) v6, rebuilt 700r4, 3.42 rear,
Accel Supercoil/cap/rotor, MSD 8.5mm wires, Splitfire plugs,
Summit fuel filter/gauges, K&N Filtercharger, ADS street chip,
B&M Megashifter/Supercooler/Stage 2 Shift kit/Overdrive sleeve,
Dynomax 2.5" hi-flow cat/super turbo, modded MAT/TB/air box,
TCI v8 radiator, Energy Suspension bushings
garf...@urbanitebbs.com
> Driving big powerful vehicles is part of our heritage as much as apple pie. People who drive these vehicles love to drive and love those types of vehicles.
Only patriotic Americans. Wiser Americans, and most foreigners, are
smart enough to buy a Japanese, German, Sweedish, or Italian car.
American cars are under-engineered, gas-guzzling pieces of shit that
spend as much time in the shop as on the road. End of discussion.
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: It's hard to properly merge on an expressway with a 70mph limit on a moped.
: You can't take a passenger and a few bags of groceries (or other sundries)
: on a moped. I do both at least once a week. How often do people put their
: 4X4s to use?
: Marc
: For email, remove second "y" from Gum...@tamu.edu
That is a very good point! That's what I asked! How often people do use their SUVs? I
don't understand why some suburban housewife needs a 4X4. I understand some Rangers and
farmers needing those trucks! someone that has a horse stable or something! But Does a
mom of two grade school kids really need a Chevy Tahoe? Can't she accomplish much the same
in a Saturn wagon? A more stylish, reliable, fuel efficient vehicle? Still comfotable
enough! And it's a much safer vehicle for her kids when they will jump out on the street
to chase their ball! A pasanger car may end up injuring a pedastrain! A hopped up 4X4
with a bull bar will squish a human being same way the bugs get squished on everyone's
windshield!
I hope I still make sense to some people out there!
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In article <61umi7$i...@butler.ac.BrockU.CA>,
>
> In case you haven't realized that it's much easier to stop a 1500
lbs. Cicvc
than a 6600
> lbs. Navigator! There fore in a Civic it is less of a owrry
strucking a
pedestrian in the
> first place! Because you will be able to brake and avoid! In a
Navigator
instead you will
> watch the human being splatter on the front of your macho truck, or
being run
over like a
> speed bump!
>
> We all have our own views! I just think that City Cowboys are just
as much of
useless
> culture as rice boys! And both make life difficult for us, regular
auto
enthusiasts!
First of all, your reckless use of exclamation points waters down
everything you
say. It's like crying wolf a hundred times. Your "period" button is
below the
"L" button on your keyboard. I highly recommend using it for ending
sentences.
I want as much protection behind the wheel as I can get in a frontal
collision,
whether it's with a semi or a pedestrian. Manslaughter for hitting a
pedestrian
because I'm driving an SUV? How about if I'm driving a minivan? I'll
bet a
pedestrian can't tell the difference. I once owned a Civic. It weighed
more than
1,500 pounds, though. I think the last Civic that light was built
about 20 years
ago. My Civic was a great little car, but I feel safer in my SUV.
There's no
such thing as a pedestrian-friendly car out there. You might as well
buy
something big and heavy if that's what you like to drive. Isn't
freedom great?
I'm not a "City Cowboy." I off-road regularly, and I use four-wheel
drive in the
snow in the city.
Bull bars are great because they can not only reduce damage to your
vehicle when you collide with something, they can improve your safety a
tad. How's that for keeping your insurance bill down?
Notice how I communicated effectively without using exclamation
points. See if
you can use periods next time. I dare you.
Mike
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> : > References: <61lka6$b...@butler.ac.BrockU.CA> <343F44...@mindspring.org>
> someone's truck, but when I park it down town, I only need to pay for one parkmeter (not
> two lie most Suburban owners have to).
Too bad, as for that one parking meter, you only put half a car there.
> Also with the lighter car and better peformance,
Better performance than what?
> I
> average much better fuel milage, and with the money saved on gas and the useless brush
> guards many install on their SUVs I will afford a relaxing vacation somewhere on a beach,
With the little space inside your car, it's still too big. Why don't
you drive a moped?
> away from the congested urban traffic crawling with those dinasours! I think my car is
> much more versitile!
No it's not, you might as well buy a moped.
> And if I would need real versatility I can buy a nice wagon! Like
> Subaru Outback or Volve V70!
You're the good taste king now.
> as roomy as average SUV,
No.
> better grip and handling, better
> performance and it's still a car! About 2000 lbs. lighter and in the case of V70R the
> performance that beats Mustang GT (0-60 moh, handling, slalom, emergency lane manouver)
> fearless
You must be powered by ProZac, not Honda.
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jk9...@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca (Jacek Kieca) wrote:
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--->>===> : >jk9...@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca (Jacek Kieca) wrote:
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--->>===> : >Can wes say rolling coffen.
--->>===> : Now if only we could spell it...
--->>===> : It is really interesting how often bigotry goes with illiteracy.
--->>===> Funny that you have mentioned it! Because this illiterate 4X4 junkie, tried to insult me
--->>===> and you have just proven that insteadof thinking how to put those 4X4 stickers on his rear
--->>===> wheel drive Chev, he should concentrate on some school work! Maybe in ten years he will
--->>===> finally get his High School diploma! and maybe then he will get the joke that the truck
--->>===> makers made! Because he thinks that 4X4 is so much better, yet unfortunately it's not a
--->>===> math class! And in automotive world 4X4 has still only 4 wheels and not 16 as the name
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Your just a wind bag, unlike you I work. I come home after a 12 x 5
day work week and type what comes to mind. as for Job I work at the
top chip maker in the world making a large pay check. Then you jump
on my case for being a uneductated and some sort of bigot. I don't
drive a rice burner and I don't drive a truck. I don't place insults
on the way people spell or type. this is a form of free expresion.
Limited only by closed minded people like you
I can give you a list of people that have IQ's beyond what your little
mind can handle Stephen Hawking, Edison, Bell, etc. etc that were and
are not skilled in the verbal and written arts. So what your saying is
that I can call you an uneducated fool if you can't speak
English,Spansih,Japanise, and Dutch. Some minds are vast unlike yours
that is so limited.
But if that is the best come back you can muster to defend Japan rice
boy crap. You need to get some more schooling boy. You need to wise
up and look at the facts almost 100% of the droped and stickered
stuff is driven by a bunch of little boys fresh out of puberty.
If you asked I would tell you things like the chevy Z71 offroad truck
with only 2 wheel drive I think is a joke. I'm into function and what
works and looks good. If you can tell me how any car or truck that
sits 1" off the ground is funtion, 8" crome tip is function, ungodly
stickers a function, yellow brake parts are function. A boom boom car
with huge speakers and amps and no room for people are funtion. Go
ahead.
And for safety and the Bull bars as you call them. The truck, SUV,
will win. what is your next target Cadys and Semi's next? If you
drive a Guppy(CRX,GEO,MG,YUGO,VW) in a world of
Sharks(Trucks,SUV,Semi's,Cadys,LTD's,Mercs) you will end up bloody
sooner or latter. That is the risk you take in owning a 1900lb car.
I have spent to much time on your little mind.
Eric G. Hall Ospray
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Chad Royse (Netcom) wrote:
I agree with you that driving cars with big ass gas guzzling engine is
as American as apple pie, but never this craze about SUV. It was the
Mopars, the Stangs, F body's, but never the SUV's.
HAHAHAHAHAHA [Expedition's supposed stopping power claims deleted]
For about the same $$, uh, ok, so it was about 45K, my stock M3 goes
from 70 to 0 in 150 feet. I shudder to think how much longer it would
take to bring a 4 ton truck with shitty brakes from 70 down to 0, but
230 feet is probably not a bad estimate. I admit that my car can't tow
shit, but how many Expedition owners buy them for their towing power?
Certainly not the soccer mom next door who could barely see thru the
steering wheel of her new Expedition.
Oh yeah, and witness the spectacle today when Santa Ana wind is blowing
at up to 70mph. HAHAHAHA, see all the white knuckled soccer moms
struggling to control their 4 ton "safest and biggest hunk of metal,"
it's the funniest thing.
Andy
97 M3 black/black
Greg Martin
Just to put a thorn of Facts in those of you arguing against SUV's,
My mother's Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 is Faster, Shorter, and Brakes
Better than my Ford Probe. Yup, the Big, Hulking, 4x4 vs. the little
economical, foriegn designed sport coupe. Sure it doesn't outhandle
the Probe, but it's not meant to. And If you wonder why a 6th grade
school teacher needs a Grand Cherokee, it's becuase she and my father
tow thier 25 ft travel trailer with it, try that in a Honda Passport.
I don't like SUV's but I don't damn them either......
Greg Martin
kaco...@southeast.net
I've owned large Ford trucks while in High School, F-350 Single Rear,
4X4 with 18" of lift great truck to have around. I did however drive it
over a compact toyota Pickup once he pulled out in front of me where I
couldn't see him and at the next light I planted a 44" Ground Hawg in
his bed.
After that I owned a 84 Accord Hatchback, great car for a small thing
but it scared me to drive with all the crazies out there.
Now I own 2 T-Birds a 94 LX 4.6L V-8 that gets 21 mpg, best car I haved
owned it can move and has the weight that is needed in a wreck. My other
T-Bird is a 84 T/C yes a big car with a Turbo Four-Bangger still a large
car with lots of power and weight it also makes 24 mpg.
Both are RWD and 2Dr, I have a family and they work just fine for me and
my wife, They both also have twice the space that my Honda ever had, and
also 2 to 3 times the power that my Honda ever had. As for brakes I've
put Crossed-Drilled Rotors with Carbon Fiber pads on both cars they can
stop in a shorter distance than my old Honda could also.
I can't see why they discontinued these great cars.
Jacek Kieca
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: I just think the commercials for these SUV's are funny as hell!
: You know the ones.. "Winter's coming! Get yourself a (blank) because it's
: great in snow! Comes with Automatic, Cruise, and a/c!" I still don't
: understand why they brag about those features when they talk about snow.
: Anyway, while the announcer is talking away, the driver is busy speeding
: through snow (probably unable to stop), sliding the rear of the SUV out,
: crashing through huge snow drifts, etc..
: My Firebird does that! :)
Funny, because you try explaining that to the SUV crowd and they will beat you up! they
don't understand that people are tired of those sales gimmicks, and idiots following it,
only to drive just the way they drove before, in a bigger, slower, less efficient box on
wheels!
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> el...@central.cis.upenn.edu.nospam wrote:
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Well, buy the smallest honda you can find, lock yourself away from these
rednecks in a little airtight room, and rev it for a while.
> and maybe then he will get the joke that the truck
> makers made! Because he thinks that 4X4 is so much better, yet unfortunately it's not a
> math class!
Settle down.
> And in automotive world 4X4 has still only 4 wheels and not 16 as the name
> would suggest!
You clearly need medical assistance. Get some now.
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: Jacek Kieca wrote:
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: > References: <61lka6$b...@butler.ac.BrockU.CA> <343F44...@mindspring.org>
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: > I just wish that big brother would explain Americans that if they would loose 50 lbs.,
: > leave their pets home and compromise by leaving their living room furnishings where they
: > belong rather than bringing all that junk along for a ride, half of them would not need any
: > of those useless SUVs!
: Naah, people should just stop telling other people how to live when it's
: none of their business. The only way people like this are hurting you
: is your ego from having a more versatile car.
No, I don't think they hurt my ego! Because maybe my honda seems more geeky next to
someone's truck, but when I park it down town, I only need to pay for one parkmeter (not
two lie most Suburban owners have to). Also with the lighter car and better peformance, I
average much better fuel milage, and with the money saved on gas and the useless brush
guards many install on their SUVs I will afford a relaxing vacation somewhere on a beach,
away from the congested urban traffic crawling with those dinasours! I think my car is
much more versitile! And if I would need real versatility I can buy a nice wagon! Like
Subaru Outback or Volve V70! as roomy as average SUV, better grip and handling, better
performance and it's still a car! About 2000 lbs. lighter and in the case of V70R the
performance that beats Mustang GT (0-60 moh, handling, slalom, emergency lane manouver)
fearless
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In <3443F3...@urbanitebbs.com>, on 10/14/97
at 03, garf...@urbanitebbs.com said:
Your arguments seems to tell me the level of your intellgence... Any chance
that you are a relative of Matt Giwer?
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Matt (Ma...@here.somewhere) wrote:
: Jacek Kieca wrote:
: >
: > Mike,
: > I think people who live in cities and uselessly buy SUVs should be charged with a man
: > slaughter in a case of hitting a pedestrian! And if they have a bull bar installed then
: > they should also be charged for assault with weapon! What do you care if some pedestrian
: > totals your Civic? Wouldn't you rather be happy that you saved someone's life by driving a
: > "freindlier" car? And if you pay insurance like you should on your car than what do you
: > care? And if you would rather have a SUV and so it won't be totaled by the edestrian, why
: > don't you become a real rebel, stop paying insurance! all that you ever will experience is
: > a scratch on your brush bar and few blood spots! I guess with the money saved on not
: > paying the insurance you'll be able to buy some more of the car wash, wax and polish
: > products to clean your "weapon" after each of those little mishaps!
: God damn, you're an idiot. And as such you may find that "idiot" cars
: like yours (hondas with young idiots in them) tend to end up in more
: accidents than those "Weapons".
Whatever! My friend's father owns a junk yard and a body shop! You should see how many
Blazers and Jimmies he gets in his shop! 3 or 4 times as many as civics and Accords
combined! Looks like what you have described is not the case! However if you quickly
recap on some basic Physic's laws you should know that with a heavier vechicle you're
required to produce more power to accelerate and stronger brakes (i.e. more braking power)
to come to a stop. Althought the SUVs get strong torqy engines (that guzzle large amounts
of gas) their brakes are under par! while most imports (especially german) are equipped
with all disk brakes, American industry (especially GM) live in the cheapo land installing
rear drums! Now if you can imagine a much heavier vechicle with inferior brakes, you
better hope that you never come accross a shit head driver in one of those SUVs attempting
to run you over! Because incase you don't know humans just like american cars tend to come
apart very easily and a big hunk of sttel unable to slow down does not help!
: > In case you haven't realized that it's much easier to stop a 1500 lbs. Cicvc than a 6600
: > lbs. Navigator! There fore in a Civic it is less of a owrry strucking a pedestrian in the
: > first place! Because you will be able to brake and avoid! In a Navigator instead you will
: > watch the human being splatter on the front of your macho truck, or being run over like a
: > speed bump!
: You clearly need help.
Yes, I need someone to help me whip some ass! To make the egoistic City Cowboys realize
that no matter how big their truck is it won't make up for their small dicks! And that
with the money they waste on the SUVs, the accesories and used up gas, they could retire
early and also seek medical help for their menhood problems! I don't need a big 454 to
make up for my dick! But you? Suits yourself!
: > We all have our own views! I just think that City Cowboys are just as much of useless
: > culture as rice boys! And both make life difficult for us, regular auto enthusiasts!
: Nope. You yourself have claimed some of the benefits of SUVS (which you
: expect the drivers to give up) whereas rice-cars are worthless in every
: respect.
Oh, yes let me enjoy the benefits! Line up and wait for some stupid Ford Expedition (that
CAR AND DRIVEr proved useless in off road terrain), let me pay a premium over the MSRP so
the dealer could get my order right, let me then pay more money and line up after other
trucks at the gas pump! Let me feel some serious roll and squeal of tires in the slightest
corners! Let me get some cheezy runing boards because I'm short but I need a macho big ass
Dodge Ram pick up! Let me spend hundreds of dollars on brush guards over not only the
front, but back lights too! so if I run over the neigbours lids, so that their heads would
not crack the lenses on those precious tail lights!
In case you haven't notice, I don't care about those "benefits"! I would rather stick with
a regular car, and with the money saved on the gas, I'll be able to afford a nice Miata or
used Z28 for some even more fun times on the weekends! And no truck will ever compare to
that!
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yam
"Devil Bat":
> Oden <od...@onramp.net> wrote:
>
> >They buy them because they are cattle.
> >Say "moo".
>
> Hey, Oden. Stay out of rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang! We have some
> accomplished flamers in here who could toast you to a crisp. However,
> we'd rather have serious discussions about Mustangs.
Is this a joke?
I just can't believe some of the ignorance on the internet.
Don't you bastards realise that Mustangs are built using imported
polymer materials from chemical factories in the Punjab?
American companies exploit unsafe Indian workers for capital gain.
Amnesty International estimates FOUR Indian kids die for every
Mustang you buy. FOUR fucking Indian kids. I hope you're happy
with your legacy, Mustang owners - you're contributing to third
world debt AND buying a rusty piece of yank shit that won't get
you any pussy that doesn't have lice.
> Keep your lames to yourself, fuckloaf.
And just what is that supposed to mean? "Fuckloaf"?
Were you playing with your dick when you wrote that?
Marc
buf...@udel.edu (Greg Martin) said:
>Just to put a thorn of Facts in those of you arguing against SUV's,
>My mother's Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 is Faster, Shorter, and Brakes
>Better than my Ford Probe.
It is slower and brakes worse than my roomate's Probe (judging off magazine
data). What Probe do you have?
Oden
Devil, Bat wrote:
> Oden wrote:
> >They buy them because they are cattle.
> >Say "moo".
> > FoMoCo builds more trucks and SUV's than
> > cars... why? Because you "like them" or because
> > FoMoCo has a 15-20% larger margin on such
> > automotive jokes.
> > The answer? Madison Avenue says it is: 2 1/2
> > chillins, One Honda (or Camry), and one
> > Explorer... and don't forget those Visa cards
> > too, chump.
> Hey, Oden.
You rang, moron?
> Stay out of rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang!
Whatever.
> We have some accomplished flamers in here
You should invest in flame retardant clothing, a fire extinguisher, and a sprinkler
system then sweetie... not like you wouldn't _need_ all of the above if you bought
a Ford to begin with.
... good idea to X-post, BTW.
> who could toast you to a crisp.
Whatever.
> However, we'd rather have serious discussions
> about Mustangs.
Yeah! Serious discussions!!
Like how much money can I throw down a _rathole_ that drives just slightly
better than a F-150, costs 30K, and looks like a empty Coke can wedged under
a door.
And keep the yadda-yadda down, nitwit, my Sis owns a 95' Cobra (junk), so I'm
well aware of how witless you have to be to prefer a Mustang to a real car.
> Keep your lames to yourself
Whatever, little girl.
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Jacek Kieca (jk9...@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca) wrote:
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:
: Funny, because you should be able to explain how is a SUV better in the groccery/kids
: hauling than a station wagon or a minivan! Can you? I mean, just out of curiousity, do you
: switch to low4WD and drive across the grass bolevouard to get to the Walmart, or do you use
: the road? If you use the later, tell me how is a SUV off-road vehicle better on pavement
: than a car! DO you use your SUV for something useful? Like what? A once a year fishing
: trip outside your city to the nearest reast stop on the nearby Interstate? To fish for a
: three eyed fish in a river that originates at some dirty plant in your town? Do you really
: need a SUV for that sort of ammusing stuff?
:
Er... was't that a Simpsons episode?
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White Tornado 1
The Mustang is the finest auto money can buy.
>Like how much money can I throw down a _rathole_ that drives just slightly
>better than a F-150, costs 30K, and looks like a empty Coke can wedged under
>a door.
Do you sit in the driveway and make engine noises whilst intermittent
reaching between your legs whilst you ponder, 'when will mine get big
like daddie's'
>And keep the yadda-yadda down, nitwit, my Sis owns a 95' Cobra (junk), so I'm
>well aware of how witless you have to be to prefer a Mustang to a real car.
The crust off my bottom of my elbow has more latent intellect than you
jap car driving losers.
Please return to alt.sex.dittle.myself.wank.wank.wank.
Loser boy.
WT!
White Tornado 1
This is a very racist comment. I think you should apologize.
>So, there are a billion sandniggers, four per mustang is only what a hundred
> thousand a year?
Dbol50
>Is this a joke?
>
>
> I just can't believe some of the ignorance on the internet.
> Don't you bastards realise that Mustangs are built using imported
> polymer materials from chemical factories in the Punjab?
>
>
> American companies exploit unsafe Indian workers for capital gain.
> Amnesty International estimates FOUR Indian kids die for every
> Mustang you buy. FOUR fucking Indian kids. I hope you're happy
> with your legacy, Mustang owners - you're contributing to third
> world debt AND buying a rusty piece of yank shit that won't get
> you any pussy that doesn't have lice.
So, there are a billion sandniggers, four per mustang is only what a hundred
thousand a year?
Bill
garf...@urbanitebbs.com wrote:
>
> > Driving big powerful vehicles is part of our heritage as much as apple pie. People who drive these vehicles love to drive and love those types of vehicles.
>
> Only patriotic Americans. Wiser Americans, and most foreigners, are
> smart enough to buy a Japanese, German, Sweedish, or Italian car.
> American cars are under-engineered, gas-guzzling pieces of shit that
> spend as much time in the shop as on the road. End of discussion.
have a Z28 now, wouldn't trade it for the world. When is the last time
you looked at an American product? 1960? Get a grip(on something besides
a rice pod)
Steven Fisher
> I just can't believe some of the ignorance on the internet.
> Don't you bastards realise that Mustangs are built using imported
> polymer materials from chemical factories in the Punjab?
Umm, the only composite material on the new Mustang that I can think of
would be the hood, maybe the bumpers. Most of the car is still metal (which
shows, as it is a very heavy car). Of course the dashboard...
You know, I'd hate to see how many indian kids die "because of" the Japanese
autos and other American cars. Most cars have far more plastics than the
Mustang.
> American companies exploit unsafe Indian workers for capital gain.
> Amnesty International estimates FOUR Indian kids die for every
> Mustang you buy. FOUR fucking Indian kids. I hope you're happy
> with your legacy, Mustang owners - you're contributing to third
> world debt AND buying a rusty piece of yank shit that won't get
> you any pussy that doesn't have lice.
Numbers are only made to fool people, facts are a whole nother story.
Yes, I am happy with my "legacy". As for people that need cars to get sex,
they have more problems than their "rust peice of yank sh*t" which should be
looked into first.
> And just what is that supposed to mean? "Fuckloaf"?
> Were you playing with your dick when you wrote that?
We're supposed to beleive words coming from a 10 year old child like
yourself, which your writing proves? Not.
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Alan Eisenreich (are...@psu.edu) wrote:
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: .... most people
: don't need that much functionality in the car they choose, other than to
: get them places. they don't need the luxury car, sports car or SUV, but
: it is what they like and want to buy. some people may need the room of
: an SUV or minivan, but most can live without it. that is just what they
: want.
Yes, but all you're just saying bassically agrees with my point! that people buy them
because the TRUCKS are in right now! The problem I have with the SUVs is not with the
owners that have a great use for them or even a slightly less use for them but still on
rare occasions use them, the problem I have is with themorons that buy the SUVs because
they are trendy! then they bitch about the performance, and make awfully high lawsuits
because their car rolls over on a highway curve! But nobody forces them into the SUVs! I
wrote this piece because I'm sick and tiered of everyone following the truck trend,
especially the ones that complaint about the performance of their trucks,., the ones that
bully other cars (not trucks) on the road, and finally complain about import cars! I was
tired of everyone generlizing Import Car enthusiasts into iver stickered and over spoilered
rice boys! I'm happy with my Honda Accord and if I would have more cash I would buy
something nicer too! Like a brand new BMW M3. And I know that some people would buy a Z28
for that money! and I don't see any reason they shouldn't! because they are different
types of cars, but they're still cars! On the other hand I see a problem if I would be in
the same situation as right now (i.e. single, no pets, no kids, no parents-in-law) and
choose fully laden Chev Suburban instead of a BMW M3 or Z28 or even a Volvo C70 then I
would be in the same group of City Cowboys! what I'm trying to picture here is people who
don't need 90% of things SUVs do and they buy them only as fashion statements! To me this
is as bad as Low Riders, or Rice Rockets covered in decals and driving lights!
: sure, i love my 94 accord ex 5spd, but there a lot of cars i
: would take over that if i had the cash. however, none of them would
: suit me much, if any, better than the my accord. do you see where i am
: going.
Yes I see where you're going! But don't you think that if you would have cash you would
not buy a SUV just for looks? Because if you have any enjoyment out of driving your Accord
(you should plenty) then you probably wouldn't give up the dynamics, handling and
responsiveness of your car in order to driive a fashionable at the moment SUV! you would
probably buy something with higher performance and luxury! But therre is people who would
normally hate SUVs and the way they drive, but they drive them because it's a cool thing to
do and to create for themselves a macho image! DO YOU SEE WHERE I AM GOING RIGHT NOW?
: the only reason people are jumping on the anti-SUV campaign is
: b/c they are popular right now and people sometimes people reject it
: just b/c they are "in."
You will see much more people jumping into SUV quicker than me jumping in onto any
campaign! I see the purporse a SUV or a truck may serve to certain people but that is not
the group I target! I just cannot stand people who buy SUVs because they want to not need
to! And if you think it "some" people then look into your rearview mirror sometime on the
road! Look at the sales charts! Look at the fronts of the Dealership yards, look at the
ever gowing section of "Truck Trends" in "MOTOR TREND" look at how often now a SUV graces a
covwer of an automobile magazine! Even "Road & Track" test drive off roaders! If they
continue doing that soon they should change the name to "OFF-Road & OFF-Track"!
: ... not to say though, that SUV's have their
: drawbacks, i just don't see them being as bad as many people try to make
: them out to be. sorry for the rant.
SUVs and Trucks are not as bad! when left to people who really use them! Not because some
spoiled kid wants to join the cool crowd and drive a GRAND CHEROKEE or some housewifes want
to bully in the WAL*MART parking lot to get a better spot so she needs an Explorer for this
"tough job"! That's my point! I'm tired of the misuse of the trucks! I know if I would
live somewheree in the woods, I would probably use one myself! But living in the city and
"survivng" in a regular car I see no reason for others to have trucks when they don't need
them!
: Alan
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White Tornado, self-confessed idiot, wrote:
> The Mustang is the finest auto money can buy.
"Yeah Wilbur! And you can mig-weld struts on the back so's it looks like a slice
of Welslydale on wheels! YEEEE-HAWW! Pass me the corn likk'er!!"
> > Like how much money can I throw down a
> > _rathole_ that drives just slightly better than
> > a F-150, costs 30K, and looks like a empty
> > Coke can wedged under a door.
> Do you sit in the driveway and make engine noises
No. That's the redneck family down your street there in Pigeon Crap Hollow.
They have _three_ Mustangs.
> > And keep the yadda-yadda down, nitwit,
> > my Sis owns a 95' Cobra (junk), so I'm
> > well aware of how witless you have to be
> > to prefer a Mustang to a real car.
> The crust off my bottom of my elbow has more
> latent intellect than you jap car driving losers.
Really? Care to compare NTHB highway deaths? Or is it "smart" to end up
dead on the side of I-95?
No to mention the fact I save thousands of dollars...
> Please return to alt.sex.dittle.myself.wank.wank.wank.
Whooo. Gee, sure interesting that when I say "Mustang" you start screaming,
at the top of yer lungs, "MASTURBATION".
Wonder why that is?
> Loser boy.
Yeah... next time I zip past you on my way downtown you need to say that in
semaphore, I can't hear it over my stereo, the wind noise, and the horrible
grinding and shambling of your dinosaur.
yam
On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Steven Fisher wrote:
> > I just can't believe some of the ignorance on the internet.
> > Don't you bastards realise that Mustangs are built using imported
> > polymer materials from chemical factories in the Punjab?
>
>
> Umm, the only composite material on the new Mustang that I can think of
> would be the hood, maybe the bumpers. Most of the car is still metal (which
> shows, as it is a very heavy car). Of course the dashboard...
Exactly, you see? There's a good fifteen square meters there. Square
meters pressure-moulded using the sweat and blood of young Indian
children, mustang fascist. Do you feel good about that? Do you??? Tell me!
> You know, I'd hate to see how many indian kids die "because of" the Japanese
> autos and other American cars. Most cars have far more plastics than the
> Mustang.
Maybe they do have more plastics. But (1) Japanese car makers source their
polymer materials direct from safer, Korean hydrocarbon laboratories and
(2) all car-owners are environmental murderers anyway.
Let me ask you a question. Do you like terrorism? Would you pay money to a
terrorist for doing his job? Because that's EXACTLY what you're doing
every time you buy a Mustang. Try telling the mothers of those kids you
killed that it happens all the time, that it's not a direct causal effect.
> > American companies exploit unsafe Indian workers for capital gain.
> > Amnesty International estimates FOUR Indian kids die for every
> > Mustang you buy. FOUR fucking Indian kids. I hope you're happy
> > with your legacy, Mustang owners - you're contributing to third
> > world debt AND buying a rusty piece of yank shit that won't get
> > you any pussy that doesn't have lice.
>
> Numbers are only made to fool people, facts are a whole nother story.
Tell that to the doctors who have to transplant new tracheas into the
charred throats of young children who've been working all night in the
plastics factory.
> Yes, I am happy with my "legacy".
Well of course you have your choice, but I can't say I'd be totally
sympathetic if one day someone forced YOUR kids to work in a sweatshop
until the choking polymer fumes caused THEIR lungs to explode in writhing
pain.
> As for people that need cars to get sex, they have more problems than
> their "rust peice of yank sh*t" which should be looked into first.
Are you saying you DON'T use your car to get sex?
> > And just what is that supposed to mean? "Fuckloaf"?
> > Were you playing with your dick when you wrote that?
>
>
> We're supposed to beleive words coming from a 10 year old child like
> yourself, which your writing proves? Not.
I can't believe you're calling me childish when you just called me a
"fuckloaf". Of course I guess you *want* me to be a child, preferably
indian, so you can murder me with your capitalist ways.
>>>>>> SAY NO TO MUSTANGS -- THEY COST LIVES <<<<<<
That's all.
TFrog93
>American companies exploit unsafe Indian workers for capital gain.
>> Amnesty International estimates FOUR Indian kids die for every
>> Mustang you buy. FOUR fucking Indian kids. I hope you're happy
>> with your legacy, Mustang owners - you're contributing to third
>> world debt AND buying a rusty piece of yank shit that won't get
>> you any pussy that doesn't have lice.
Thanks. It was a dark and drizzly day here in Philly, and I come home
from work to read this... I needed the laugh.
dwight :()
(...as if not buying Mustangs would solve all of INDIA's problems!)
Alex Soduk
how trendy, a SUV and kids that play soccer ;^)
Eye of the Storm wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:51:34 GMT, Gum...@tamu.edu (Marc) wrote:
>
> >It's hard to properly merge on an expressway with a 70mph limit on a moped.
> >You can't take a passenger and a few bags of groceries (or other sundries)
> >on a moped. I do both at least once a week. How often do people put their
> >4X4s to use?
>
> Daily. They do the same things. Shop, haul kids to and from school or soccer
> practice, etc.
>
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The point I made is that some people don't need SUVs! If you have a boat and need the SUV
to haul it places than GOD bless you! I just hate when single people without any need to
haul crap around buy SUVs when they could drive normal cars! I do understand the use and
neccessity of trucks! Except I hate the pop culture that buys trucks because they think
TRUCKS are COOL! that is as bad as RICE BOYs ruining the reputation of all the drivers
that do own imports! I drive an import and I'm sure that no matter how much money I would
sink in the performance modification, I would not spend my dough on some stupid strickers
or a wing! I work too hard for my money to spend it on crap like that!
fearless
Greg Martin
(buf...@udel.edu)
wrote: : Just to put a thorn of Facts in those of you arguing against SUV's,
: My mother's Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 is Faster, Shorter, and Brakes
: Better than my Ford Probe. Yup, the Big, Hulking, 4x4 vs. the little
: economical, foriegn designed sport coupe. Sure it doesn't outhandle
: the Probe, but it's not meant to. And If you wonder why a 6th grade
: school teacher needs a Grand Cherokee, it's becuase she and my father
: tow thier 25 ft travel trailer with it, try that in a Honda Passport.
: I don't like SUV's but I don't damn them either......
: Greg Martin
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Mr. Kieca:
How many times are you going to go over and over the same ground ad
nauseam? You have stated nothing new of importance in days. Everyone
knows your opinion of SUV's. So what. Stating your own opinion does
nothing to change my own no matter how many times and how many different
ways you state it. Whatever does this garbage have to do with Camaros
and Firebirds anyway? Give it a rest already.
Bottlebob
se...@swow.com
> > Only patriotic Americans. Wiser Americans, and most foreigners, are
> > smart enough to buy a Japanese, German, Sweedish, or Italian car.
> > American cars are under-engineered, gas-guzzling pieces of shit that
> > spend as much time in the shop as on the road. End of discussion.
> Hey Garfield. I had a '82 Supra and got 1/4 million miles out of it. I
> have a Z28 now, wouldn't trade it for the world. When is the last time
> you looked at an American product? 1960? Get a grip(on something besides
> a rice pod)
What's with all these really lame replys I've been getting? Your
wannabe flames don't hold water.
se...@swow.com
> I agree there's a lot of US made crap out there. That's too bad. But there's a good deal that's not and it keeps improving. There's a good deal of foreign crap
> as well. I owned a Hyundai for a short while, and I was never sorrier that I bought a certain vehicle in my life!
Good for you, now maybe you should learn to read, for I said Japanese,
German, Sweedish, or Italian.
> I believe my opinions are far less bias than yours. Unlike you, I don't sit on one side of the fence and bark at the others. You are an over opinionated, narrow
> minded, hard headed asshole. I chose each of those words out of thought, not anger by the way.
You must feel proud of yourself.
> So in conclusion, I agree a lot of American made auto's leave something to be desired. Foreign cars are not completely immune to this. It just takes some one
> with a little brains to know the differences.
And that apparently isn't you.
nos...@mdi.ca
In <Pine.OSF.3.96.971015...@scarp.sanger.ac.uk>, on
10/15/97
>Exactly, you see? There's a good fifteen square meters there. Square meters
>pressure-moulded using the sweat and blood of young Indian children,
>mustang fascist. Do you feel good about that? Do you??? Tell me!
Really? Can you show any proof? being in UK, I guess you never see the
inside of the Ford's plant... Let alone have ANY idea about ford other than
your drug induced vision...
>Maybe they do have more plastics. But (1) Japanese car makers source their
>polymer materials direct from safer, Korean hydrocarbon laboratories and
>(2) all car-owners are environmental murderers anyway.
Excellent, now please go and live in caves, don't eat and don't breath...
Say, mushing you into Ape Chowder would make it very appealing to the clams
in the sea...
>Let me ask you a question. Do you like terrorism? Would you pay money to a
>terrorist for doing his job? Because that's EXACTLY what you're doing every
>time you buy a Mustang. Try telling the mothers of those kids you killed
>that it happens all the time, that it's not a direct causal effect.
Let me tell you, I'd pay top dollars to hire someone to terrorize bastards
like you, may be some of my pals in UK can help...
>Tell that to the doctors who have to transplant new tracheas into the
>charred throats of young children who've been working all night in the
>plastics factory.
Muhahahaha... You don't even KNOW how they mold plastics... If plastic
moldings were made that way, every piece will look different, and none of
the pieces will even remotely FIT...
>Well of course you have your choice, but I can't say I'd be totally
>sympathetic if one day someone forced YOUR kids to work in a sweatshop
>until the choking polymer fumes caused THEIR lungs to explode in writhing
>pain.
You seems to like to LIE a lot... Lie, lie, lie, isn't that all you do? You
make all my British friends look bad...
>Are you saying you DON'T use your car to get sex?
I don't. Why? Someone as impetent as you will need your car to get sex, I
don't need that...
>I can't believe you're calling me childish when you just called me a
>"fuckloaf". Of course I guess you *want* me to be a child, preferably
>indian, so you can murder me with your capitalist ways.
Who are you, a lying communist? You don't have a SINGLE evidence other than
the lies you fabricated... Anyone with even the weakest logic skill will see
that...
> >>>>>> SAY NO TO MUSTANGS -- THEY COST LIVES <<<<<<
SAY YES TO MUSTANGS, THEY ARE THE LEGEND... IN THE AIR AS WELL AS ON THE
GROUND...
P-51 Mustang with RR Merlin V-12 and Ford Mustang with V-8 OHV and OHC are
BOTH LEGENDS...
Most important of all... it annoies you... that's the main thing about
Mustangs...
Spark
nos...@mdi.ca wrote:
>
> In <Pine.OSF.3.96.971015...@scarp.sanger.ac.uk>, on
> 10/15/97
> at 09:28 PM, yam <i...@sanger.ac.uk> said:
[...]
> Really? Can you show any proof? being in UK, I guess you never see the
> inside of the Ford's plant...
Actually they do...Ford owns Jaguar.
That still doesn't erase the fact that Mustangs are basically rolling
piles of horseshit, however...
> Let me tell you, I'd pay top dollars to hire someone to terrorize bastards
> like you, may be some of my pals in UK can help...
If your tastes in terrorist shopping ever matched your taste in
automobiles, I suspect we'd see the headline: "terrorist kills self in
bizarre attempt to attack manure plant" That, or the F-150 he rigged as
a bomb would drop its transmission on the pavement along the way...
> >Are you saying you DON'T use your car to get sex?
>
> I don't.
Pathetic limp-dicked liar...
> SAY YES TO MUSTANGS,
Why? They suck absolute hind tit when compared with a Corvette...
> P-51 Mustang with RR Merlin V-12
Do you perchance know where Rolls-Royce engines are made, brainiac?
Gad; I suppose now some idiot will spring forth and trumpet Ford's
misbegotten shitheap of a safety record as 'flawless' or something...
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> The point I made is that some people don't need SUVs! If you have a boat and need the SUV
> to haul it places than GOD bless you! I just hate when single people without any need to
> haul crap around buy SUVs when they could drive normal cars! I do understand the use and
> neccessity of trucks! Except I hate the pop culture that buys trucks because they think
> TRUCKS are COOL! that is as bad as RICE BOYs ruining the reputation of all the drivers
> that do own imports! I drive an import and I'm sure that no matter how much money I would
> sink in the performance modification, I would not spend my dough on some stupid strickers
> or a wing! I work too hard for my money to spend it on crap like that!
then according to you, nobody needs nothing but a sedan and maybe a
basic pickup if you need to carry big stuff. you don't need all the
extra crap, just something to get you from point A to point B. is that
the main purpose of a car, to get you were you are going. all that
extra crap is just uneccessary when you look at it. however, it is
peoples own tastes and preferences that come in when choosing a car.
sure some cars serve some purposes better than other, but basically they
all do what they are intended. you can make an arguement that people
don't need any type of car except a basic sedan. sports cars, ha,
you're not allowed to use them to their full potential b/c of traffic
laws(unless you autocross or something like that). luxury cars, HA, all
the extra "luxury" crap it just stupid stuff that doesn't make the car
get me from point A to B any significantly better than your basic run of
the mill sedan with only A/C, a heater, and a radio. however, like i
said before, everyone has their own tast and preferences. most people
don't need that much functionality in the car they choose, other than to
get them places. they don't need the luxury car, sports car or SUV, but
it is what they like and want to buy. some people may need the room of
an SUV or minivan, but most can live without it. that is just what they
want. sure, i love my 94 accord ex 5spd, but there a lot of cars i
would take over that if i had the cash. however, none of them would
suit me much, if any, better than the my accord. do you see where i am
going. the only reason people are jumping on the anti-SUV campaign is
b/c they are popular right now and people sometimes people reject it
just b/c they are "in." not to say though, that SUV's have their
drawbacks, i just don't see them being as bad as many people try to make
them out to be. sorry for the rant.
Alan
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>This is a very racist comment. I think you should apologize.
>
>> thousand a year?
racist...yes, but funny also...hehe
Chad Royse (Netcom)
Only patriotic?? What the hell do you mean by that? Are you some sort of communistic bastard? You can resign your citizenship if your not happy with who you
are! I wouldn't hold you back.
I agree there's a lot of US made crap out there. That's too bad. But there's a good deal that's not and it keeps improving. There's a good deal of foreign crap
as well. I owned a Hyundai for a short while, and I was never sorrier that I bought a certain vehicle in my life! I've owned 2 Ford trucks that have treated me
very well. My father owns a 1978 Cadillac Sedan De Ville that is immaculate and has been a great car. I owned a Plymouth Sundance for several years that again
never had any problems. I just drove it and maintained it. My latest vehicle is a 1997 Ford F250 Heavy Duty 4WD SuperCab with a 460 (7.5L to you) that has been
absolutely perfect. But before you get your panties in a wad, daily I drive a 1988 Nissan Sentra, that I rebuilt the motor in, for economy. It too is a great
little car, expensive to work on, but great.
I believe my opinions are far less bias than yours. Unlike you, I don't sit on one side of the fence and bark at the others. You are an over opinionated, narrow
minded, hard headed asshole. I chose each of those words out of thought, not anger by the way.
So in conclusion, I agree a lot of American made auto's leave something to be desired. Foreign cars are not completely immune to this. It just takes some one
with a little brains to know the differences.
garf...@urbanitebbs.com wrote:
> > Driving big powerful vehicles is part of our heritage as much as apple pie. People who drive these vehicles love to drive and love those types of vehicles.
>
> Only patriotic Americans. Wiser Americans, and most foreigners, are
> smart enough to buy a Japanese, German, Sweedish, or Italian car.
> American cars are under-engineered, gas-guzzling pieces of shit that
> spend as much time in the shop as on the road. End of discussion.
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H. Andy Chi (fly...@ibm.net) wrote:
: Chad Royse (Netcom) wrote:
: I agree with you that driving cars with big ass gas guzzling engine is
: as American as apple pie, but never this craze about SUV. It was the
: Mopars, the Stangs, F body's, but never the SUV's.
: HAHAHAHAHAHA [Expedition's supposed stopping power claims deleted]
Good to see that the expedition stopping distance claim didn't only humor me but others
too! I happen to drive a Honda, and there is some nice Hondas (look at the Acura NSX and
Honda CBR600F3) and I also share the enthusiasm for nice cars like Porsches, Mazda Miatas
and the american cars with big engines such as Z28 or a T/A! But most of all I love
Bimmers! M5 and M3 are my most favourite being "wolves in sheep skin"!
: For about the same $$, uh, ok, so it was about 45K, my stock M3 goes
: from 70 to 0 in 150 feet. I shudder to think how much longer it would
: take to bring a 4 ton truck with shitty brakes from 70 down to 0, but
: 230 feet is probably not a bad estimate. I admit that my car can't tow
: shit, but how many Expedition owners buy them for their towing power?
: Certainly not the soccer mom next door who could barely see thru the
: steering wheel of her new Expedition.
: Oh yeah, and witness the spectacle today when Santa Ana wind is blowing
: at up to 70mph. HAHAHAHA, see all the white knuckled soccer moms
: struggling to control their 4 ton "safest and biggest hunk of metal,"
: it's the funniest thing.
Thank you very much for proving my point! nad for proving that not everyone is blind! and
proving how amusing and out of place happenings like above are on our roads! And I'm sure
as an owner of a BMW M3 you must be tired of driving behind the morons in the trucks and
housewifes in their SUVs!
: Andy
: 97 M3 black/black
That is a very nice car! 2dr? Or 4 dr? I've heard that the M3's close-ratio box makes it
sound busy at highway speeds! Do you think it could use a 6th gear?
By the way I wanted to say that as long as they make as nice and perfectly balanced cars as
the M# if I will have 40K to spend on a car it will be a car! NOT A TRUCK! Good to know
that at least you didn't waste your $40K+ on something as useless as a Navigator or
something! Because rather than follow the trend, you will lead with the exeleent car that
you own! They don't call it THE ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE for nothing!
I have a webpage for you to checkout!
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/BMWM3Page1/
This page is devoted to a real car! For drivers who want to drive, not to get from point A
to point B! Something drivers of the TRUCKS and SUVs will never quite understand!
fearless
Jacek Kieca
garf...@urbanitebbs.com wrote:
: > Driving big powerful vehicles is part of our heritage as much as apple pie.
: >People who drive these vehicles love to drive and love those types of vehicles.
: Only patriotic Americans. Wiser Americans, and most foreigners, are
: smart enough to buy a Japanese, German, Sweedish, or Italian car.
: American cars are under-engineered, gas-guzzling pieces of shit that
: spend as much time in the shop as on the road. End of discussion.
Couln't agree with you more! cars like BMW M3, Volvo V70R, Saab 900 Turbo, VW Jetta VR6,
Honda Prelude VTEC are hard to dismiss! Chevy Z28 does chave something charismatistic
about it self but SUVs and most Fords just blow! Look at the Mustangs (Cobra SVT excepted)
Navigators, Expeditions, Aspires, Tauruses and Sables to name few!
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> : sure, i love my 94 accord ex 5spd, but there a lot of cars i
> : would take over that if i had the cash. however, none of them would
> : suit me much, if any, better than the my accord. do you see where i am
> : going.
>
> Yes I see where you're going! But don't you think that if you would have cash you would
> not buy a SUV just for looks? Because if you have any enjoyment out of driving your Accord
> (you should plenty) then you probably wouldn't give up the dynamics, handling and
> responsiveness of your car in order to driive a fashionable at the moment SUV! you would
> probably buy something with higher performance and luxury! But therre is people who would
> normally hate SUVs and the way they drive, but they drive them because it's a cool thing to
> do and to create for themselves a macho image! DO YOU SEE WHERE I AM GOING RIGHT NOW?
i guess i didn't explain myself very well. take for instance, my father
and uncle. they both own grand cherokees. my uncle got his first, way
back when the V8 GC first came out. anyway, after he got his, my dad
was in the market for something that could go well in the snow(i.e. 4X4
or AWD) and because he liked the GC so much, he got one. not to say he
bought if just for the 4WD, he just genuinely liked the GC. the fact
still remains that if they didn't like how it drove and liked the
styling and stuff, neither one of them would have gotten one. i think
most SUV are pretty nice looking and as i said before, most people are
just looking for anything to get them places, and if it looks nice,
drives nice to them, there going to get it, whether it be a sedan,
sports car, or SUV. not everyone wants a car that handles great and is
fast, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN TASTES: IN STYLE, HOW IT DRIVES AND TO
SOME EXTENT FUNCTIONALITY, and buy their car accordingly. some may buy
it b/c it is trendy, but the vast majority don't. that is the point i'm
trying to make. like i said, if i had the money, i'd be driving a
mustang cobra, firebird formula or T/A, Eclipse GSX, M3, Z3 2.8, STS, or
any one of a ton of other cars, depending upon which one i liked after
test driving it and stuff(although, with unlimited funds, i'd probably
get a 911 turbo). yes, i do love my accord, but that is not to say that
EVERYBODY would like how my accord drives, or that i would give up the
things i like about it to drive and SUV, but not everyone wants the same
thing out of a car that you or i do. as long as THEY like it, who gives
a shit.
> : ... not to say though, that SUV's have their
> : drawbacks, i just don't see them being as bad as many people try to make
> : them out to be. sorry for the rant.
>
> SUVs and Trucks are not as bad! when left to people who really use them! Not because some
> spoiled kid wants to join the cool crowd and drive a GRAND CHEROKEE or some housewifes want
> to bully in the WAL*MART parking lot to get a better spot so she needs an Explorer for this
> "tough job"! That's my point! I'm tired of the misuse of the trucks!
you're also missing another big point. many SUV's are designed to
simply be an alternative to a sedan. if you will, they don't have the
functionality trucks once had, hence the fact that many don't have much
towing capacity and stuff like that. they are meant to do what you
described above, but with increased visibility from sitting up high and
"appearance"(if not fact) of being safer in an SUV, both of which aren't
available to a sedan. so yes, maybe they are being "misused", but don't
blaim the drivers, blame the manufacturers who have made the SUV into
what it is today(basically an alternative to a sedan, instead of a
"truck").
Alan
--------
"They didn't have any aspirin, so I got you some cigarettes."
- Homer J. Simpson
Come and see my poor excuse for a webpage at
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GT350SHELB
this is America isnt it? its a free country / if thats what india wants
then
THEY SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
COUNTING :::::::::::::::::: ive had 65 differant mustangs and im not
guilty about owning any one. just my .02
Marc
[Note followups]
buf...@udel.edu (Greg Martin) said:
>>It is slower and brakes worse than my roomate's Probe (judging off magazine
>>data). What Probe do you have?
> It's a 1990 LX with a 3.0L V6. Your roommate is probably driving a
>newer GT. Yes they are a faster than the Cherokee by about a half a
>second or so 0-60. And my brakes are shot anyway. But as it stands
>the G. Cherokee is quicker than my Probe.
With all what? 145 hp that you have? Good old Tarus engine tossed in the
Probe to give it the V6 appeal. The turbo was much more fun. Yes, the JGC
V8 is faster and quicker stoping than an outdated car in a poor state of
repair. I don't consider that much of a comparison. Just watch how the
mighty V8 pales in comparison to some potent I-4, like the Prelude...
Marc
For email, remove second "y" from Gum...@tamu.edu
Tracy Jones
I asked you nicely to take your rantings to rec.autos.4x4 but you
continue to post this shit to all the other auto NG's instead. You
obviously think that your opinion is the mean by which all others are to
be judged. Contrary to what you think this Universe does not revolve
around your head. GET OFF YOUR FUCKIN SOAPBOX AND GET THE FUCK OUTTA
HERE
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Chad Royse (Netcom)
Hey Garffuck,
Why do you change your name? Afraid to make those comments as yourself? Don't they hold water?
se...@swow.com wrote:
> > I agree there's a lot of US made crap out there. That's too bad. But there's a good deal that's not and it keeps improving. There's a good deal of foreign crap
> > as well. I owned a Hyundai for a short while, and I was never sorrier that I bought a certain vehicle in my life!
>
> Good for you, now maybe you should learn to read, for I said Crapanese,
> German, Sweedish, or Italian.
Korea produces as much rice as most any other Asian country. Blow me.
> > I believe my opinions are far less bias than yours. Unlike you, I don't sit on one side of the fence and bark at the others. You are an over opinionated, narrow
> > minded, hard headed asshole. I chose each of those words out of thought, not anger by the way.
>
> You must feel proud of yourself.
Your just soooo witty.
>
>
> > So in conclusion, I agree a lot of American made auto's leave something to be desired. Foreign cars are not completely immune to this. It just takes some one
> > with a little brains to know the differences.
>
> And that apparently isn't you.
Do you have an education? I would have replied more, however you never had anything intelligent to say, therefore nothing to reply to.
M H GSX
>Also, get the facts you idiot. Do you know that the Expedition has more tire
>surface area on the road, the
>extra weight adds to the coefficient of friction of that area,
Oh really? Extra weight changes the coefficient of friction, huh? Go back and
look in your textbook, because YOU'RE the one who's an idiot.
>Only patriotic Americans. Wiser Americans, and most >foreigners, are smart
enough to buy a Japanese, German, >Sweedish, or Italian car.
So what the hell are you saying? You can't be patriotic AND wise? Also,
Italian car?? WTF, you mean like Alfa Romeo and Fiat? HAHAHAHA
>Korea produces as much rice as most any other Asian country. >Blow
me..............Do you have an education? I would have >replied more, however
you never had anything intelligent to >say, therefore nothing to reply to.
And YOUR response WAS educational? Both of you are peas in a pod.
Justin VanAbrahams
m...@storrr.com wrote:
>
> Actually, being disk or drums does not usually make a difference in a
> single stop. Its the contact area of the pad and the material its made
> out of. Disk just cool faster between applications.
Also a disk brake will tend to suffer less in wet conditions, as
drums tend to collect water inside making the contact surface
"slippery." A disk will shed water much more readily.
-J
Greg Martin
>
>It is slower and brakes worse than my roomate's Probe (judging off magazine
>data). What Probe do you have?
>
>For email, remove second "y" from Gum...@tamu.edu
It's a 1990 LX with a 3.0L V6. Your roommate is probably driving a
garf...@urbanitebbs.com
> Hey Garffuck,
> Why do you change your name? Afraid to make those comments as yourself? Don't they hold water?
> Do you have an education? I would have replied more, however you never had anything intelligent to say, therefore nothing to reply to.
heh, all I have to say is grow up.
nos...@mdi.ca
In <344594...@spark.org>, on 10/15/97
>> Really? Can you show any proof? being in UK, I guess you never see the
>> inside of the Ford's plant...
>Actually they do...Ford owns Jaguar.
Of course, Ford owns Jaguar, but was the plant build by Ford? Designed by
Ford? Nope... and do they produce cars with Ford badge? Nope...
BTW, You said Jag hire Indians? Muhahahahahahaha...
>That still doesn't erase the fact that Mustangs are basically rolling piles
>of horseshit, however...
Prove it...
>> Let me tell you, I'd pay top dollars to hire someone to terrorize bastards
>> like you, may be some of my pals in UK can help...
>If your tastes in terrorist shopping ever matched your taste in
>automobiles, I suspect we'd see the headline: "terrorist kills self in
>bizarre attempt to attack manure plant" That, or the F-150 he rigged as a
>bomb would drop its transmission on the pavement along the way...
Actually, only idiots uses bombs and stuff to kill one person... poison,
packed crystalloid of Ebola virus, cobalt 60, a tiny fraction of a gram of
Plutonium dust, and much more... With some method, you'd know that people've
attacked you AFTER a few monthes... but then, it will be too late no matter
what you do... Risen should do well too...
>> >Are you saying you DON'T use your car to get sex?
>>
>> I don't.
>Pathetic limp-dicked liar...
Hahaha... hehehe... I guess you can't do that... hahaha... hehehe...
incompetent fool!
>> SAY YES TO MUSTANGS,
>Why? They suck absolute hind tit when compared with a Corvette...
Hummm... care to say anything that indicates that you have any intellgence?
>> P-51 Mustang with RR Merlin V-12
>Do you perchance know where Rolls-Royce engines are made, brainiac?
Do you know where the chassis and design of the P-51 was made? BTW, RR's
V-12 uses carburator, which is a fueling technology behind German's Fuel
Injection...
I guess you don't know that earlier RR's Merlin V-12 will stall once the
P-51 is upside down... Not a problem for Germans...
>Gad; I suppose now some idiot will spring forth and trumpet Ford's
>misbegotten shitheap of a safety record as 'flawless' or something...
Nothing is flawless, but you are just full of flaws and bullshits...
P. J. Remner
In a previous article, se...@swow.com () says:
>> I agree there's a lot of US made crap out there. That's too bad. But there's a good deal that's not and it keeps improving. There's a good deal of foreign crap
>> as well. I owned a Hyundai for a short while, and I was never sorrier that I bought a certain vehicle in my life!
>
>Good for you, now maybe you should learn to read, for I said Japanese,
>German, Sweedish, or Italian.
^^^^^^^
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
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m...@storrr.com
On 14 Oct 1997 18:15:12 GMT, jk9...@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca (Jacek
Kieca) wrote:
>
<snip>
> while most imports (especially german) are equipped
>with all disk brakes, American industry (especially GM) live in the cheapo land installing
>rear drums! Now if you can imagine a much heavier vechicle with inferior brakes, <snip>
Rob Clark
SUV's are great. I use 4 wheel drive quite a bit here in Illinois' Snow and
Mud and I also own a 68 Firebird Convertible. So don't judge so quickly!
Matt <Ma...@here.somewhere> wrote in article
<344392...@here.somewhere>...
> Jacek Kieca wrote:
> >
> > References: <61lka6$b...@butler.ac.BrockU.CA>
<343F44...@mindspring.org>
> > Distribution:
> >
> > I just wish that big brother would explain Americans that if they would
loose 50 lbs.,
> > leave their pets home and compromise by leaving their living room
furnishings where they
> > belong rather than bringing all that junk along for a ride, half of
them would not need any
> > of those useless SUVs!
>
> Naah, people should just stop telling other people how to live when it's
> none of their business. The only way people like this are hurting you
> is your ego from having a more versatile car.
>
Spark
nos...@mdi.ca wrote:
>
> In <344594...@spark.org>, on 10/15/97
> at 11:15 PM, Spark <her...@spark.org> said:
>
> >> Really? Can you show any proof? being in UK, I guess you never see the
> >> inside of the Ford's plant...
>
> >Actually they do...Ford owns Jaguar.
>
> Of course, Ford owns Jaguar, but was the plant build by Ford?
Nope.
> Designed by
> Ford?
Re-designed by Ford...yep.
> BTW, You said Jag hire Indians? Muhahahahahahaha...
Not me....you do know what attribs are for, do you not?
>
> >That still doesn't erase the fact that Mustangs are basically rolling piles
> >of horseshit, however...
>
> Prove it...
They're ugly, they get bested by even the crappy little Mazda Miata of
all things, and fall apart on average within the first 50,000 miles.
What else is there to prove?
Granted, Ford will make a last-ditch effort in MY 1999 with a revamped
design, but I doubt it does them much good.
Shit; even Dodge came up with a sports car that kicks all kinds of ass.
You know? After the Shelby Cobra (designed outside of FMC, BTW) Ford
simply went right back into suckdom without so much as a whimper.
> >> Let me tell you, I'd pay top dollars to hire someone to terrorize bastards
> >> like you, may be some of my pals in UK can help...
>
> >If your tastes in terrorist shopping ever matched your taste in
> >automobiles, I suspect we'd see the headline: "terrorist kills self in
> >bizarre attempt to attack manure plant" That, or the F-150 he rigged as a
> >bomb would drop its transmission on the pavement along the way...
>
> Actually, only idiots uses bombs and stuff to kill one person...
Indeed; let's see your choices, shall we?
> poison,
Overdone.
> packed crystalloid of Ebola virus,
Too much Tom Clancy for you I see: Good luck getting any of that to live
longer than 12 hours outside of the host.
> cobalt 60, a tiny fraction of a gram of
> Plutonium dust, and much more...
Buy it by the pound right at the local pharmacy even...
> With some method, you'd know that people've
> attacked you AFTER a few monthes... but then, it will be too late no matter
> what you do... Risen should do well too...
Why not just find an AIDS infected woman and literally fuck the guy to
death? Your success rate would be a bit higer than all this tenth-grade
fantasy you've thus far spewed.
> >> >Are you saying you DON'T use your car to get sex?
> >>
> >> I don't.
>
> >Pathetic limp-dicked liar...
>
> Hahaha... hehehe...
Ahh, dementia brought on by a literary atack on a person's rolling
(well, when it's not in the shop) phallic symbol. Get hit by it often do
you?
> >> SAY YES TO MUSTANGS,
>
> >Why? They suck absolute hind tit when compared with a Corvette...
>
> Hummm... care to say anything that indicates that you have any intellgence?
Hmmm, Already did. The Vette stomps your sorry little stump-broke wagon
into next Wednesday.
> >> P-51 Mustang with RR Merlin V-12
>
> >Do you perchance know where Rolls-Royce engines are made, brainiac?
>
> Do you know where the chassis and design of the P-51 was made?
Yup; but you specifically drooled on the motor.
> BTW, RR's
> V-12 uses carburator, which is a fueling technology behind German's Fuel
> Injection...
So, do tell, is insulting a brit with tales of how superior their
aircraft engines are now theavant-garde in flamedom?
Missed that one in the journals...
> >Gad; I suppose now some idiot will spring forth and trumpet Ford's
> >misbegotten shitheap of a safety record as 'flawless' or something...
>
> Nothing is flawless, but you are just full of flaws and bullshits...
'You eat poo poo too.' ...my how witty you are today.
> ===Proud Member of Team OS/2
Speaking of flaw-ridden....OS/puke?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAaaaaaa.....
(snicker!)That sure explains your love of mustangs well enough...
Spark
White Tornado 1 wrote:
>
> Just what the HELL is wrong with the Mazda Miata? It's a fine little
> car!
The shell-out of it's transmission in the Car+Driver initial QC tests
was a rather bad indication.
That, and they look like the protoytypical pooftamobile.
Still kicks Mustang ass in performance, though; I gotta grant it that
much.
> >They're ugly, they get bested by even the crappy little Mazda Miata of
> >all things, and fall apart on average within the first 50,000 miles.
[...]
Dane Basch
yam <i...@sanger.ac.uk> postulated thusly:
>On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 nos...@mdi.ca wrote:
>> >Exactly, you see? There's a good fifteen square meters there. Square meters
>> >pressure-moulded using the sweat and blood of young Indian children,
>> >mustang fascist. Do you feel good about that? Do you??? Tell me!
>>
>> Really? Can you show any proof?
>I have plenty of proof. Check out the June 16 '95 Oregon Green Gazette
>article "Polymer Violators" for a start. I believe it's on their website.
OK, can you show us any IMPARTIAL, verifiable sources, instead of
leftist, greenpeace/sierra clubber propaganda. I am talking about
scientific sources, nonpartisan sources, factual sources. Not the
same jokers who said recently we could stop El Nino, but we have to
start right now.
>I've been campaigning on this issue for the past 12 years, fool. You
>picked the wrong fellow to tangle with here.
From your posts, I would say you need to get out more. Your
single-mindedness to this issue, if this statement is true, has
blinded you to some realities that exist. Read on.
>> being in UK, I guess you never see the inside of the Ford's plant... Let
>> alone have ANY idea about ford other than your drug induced vision...
>Actually several members of our group have entered Ford plants over the
>past couple of years. We've gathered some very interesting photographs....
>but this is all beside the point, as we were talking about the atrocities
>of Ford suppliers in Asia, not in their US plant. I see you are trying to
>twist the issue away from the TRUTH.
I would be willing to bet that if these photos were worth a damn, you
would have turned them over to the EPA by now. Fact is, your
"evidence", such as it is, is most likely worthless, since Ford plants
are within compliance. Since you brought up the photos, perhaps you
could explain their significance.
>> >Maybe they do have more plastics. But (1) Japanese car makers source their
>> >polymer materials direct from safer, Korean hydrocarbon laboratories and
>> >(2) all car-owners are environmental murderers anyway.
>>
>> Excellent, now please go and live in caves, don't eat and don't breath...
>> Say, mushing you into Ape Chowder would make it very appealing to the clams
>> in the sea...
>Typical kneejerk anti-environmentalist view, cliched and 80's, like your
>mentality. Unfortunately racial discrimination is always in fashion
>somewhere in the world.
Typical knee-jerk environmentalist wacko reaction to the challange of
your so-called "facts" Cry racism, and destroy the credibility of
your opponent. Never answer the questions put to you. Your hero must
be the President and her husband.
>Of course it's your right to ignore what's slapping you in the face if you
>want to. I just hope you can sleep at nights and look your kids in the eye
>at the same time. With a conscience as smeared with Shit and Blood and
>Blood-Soaked Shit as yours, I'd find it pretty fucking hard, jerk.
Ooooo! Nice debate style. When all else fails, resort to
name-calling and obsenities. Nice ways to build your credibility, let
me tell you.
Tell you what, yammerer. I don't own a Mustang. I own an SHO. One
kick-ass, fun to drive, nicely modified SHO. But you know what? I
aspire to own a Cobra someday very soon. And I will have one, and I
will sleep very, very well with it in my garage. Do you know why?
Because its not my fault, even if this crap about children dying from
making plastics. Know why? Because it is in fact the Indian
government's fault. If their child labor laws are so lax, or
non-existant, how is that my fault? If their environmental protection
laws are so poor, or not enforce, or they don't have them, how is this
my fault? And if the children don't leave their jobs, or their
parents make them work in these alledged conditions, how is that my
fault? How is any of this my fault?
Its called free enterprise, you socialist. If the workers continue to
work there, and they are paid, and they know the danger, or they see
people die, and they still stay, why is it the owner of the end
resulting product you vent your spleen to? Why not take your energies
and point them at the real culperate: the government of India, or the
parents of the children who supposedly work at these so-called
dangerous factories?
You are ignoring many realities here, yam. Typical of a liberal
environmentalist wacko; attack the American in the mix, and ignore the
real culperate. Your sense of geopolitical and economic realities
labels you a fool in my book, and I am sure others. You say not to
spar with you????? HA! Don't spar with ME, little man. Get thee some
learning about the realities of a global economy, and then get back to
me.
<The rest of this subgenius's ranting snipped, as it is just more
obsenities and silliness.>
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Dude, you're ate up. Direct all of that negative energy to something
good. If you don't like mustangs, then please leave!
Spark
plastic wrote:
>
> Spark <her...@spark.org> wrote:
>
[...]
> >Gad; I suppose now some idiot will spring forth and trumpet Ford's
> >misbegotten shitheap of a safety record as 'flawless' or something...
>
> Problem! Perhaps I am going mad but I actually find sometings that I
> agree with
Of course you do.... I always speak the truth.
[tons of third-grade spew written by someone who wouldn't know a current
AIM-FAR from the Manhattan phone directory. I think the little sot loves
me or something.]
> THE PLASTIC HAS SPOKEN
...but not very well.
White Tornado 1
Just what the HELL is wrong with the Mazda Miata? It's a fine little
car!
>They're ugly, they get bested by even the crappy little Mazda Miata of
>all things, and fall apart on average within the first 50,000 miles.
>
>> >Gad; I suppose now some idiot will spring forth and trumpet Ford's
>> >misbegotten shitheap of a safety record as 'flawless' or something...
>>
>> Nothing is flawless, but you are just full of flaws and bullshits...
>
>'You eat poo poo too.' ...my how witty you are today.
>
>> ===Proud Member of Team OS/2
>
>Speaking of flaw-ridden....OS/puke?
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>HAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>HHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHA
>HAHAHAHAHAaaaaaa.....
>
>(snicker!)That sure explains your love of mustangs well enough...
>
>
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Oden
Spark wrote:
> That, and they look like the protoytypical pooftamobile.
[Oden notes that Mazda didn't _lease_ the Miata until _after_ Spunk Miller
already got screwed with another leased car]
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TFrog93
In article <628qe6$6...@camel15.mindspring.com>, dane_...@mindspring.com
(Dane Basch) writes:
>Typical knee-jerk environmentalist wacko reaction to the challange of
>your so-called "facts" Cry racism, and destroy the credibility of
>your opponent. Never answer the questions put to you. Your hero must
>be the President and her husband.
Dane, please keep in mind that the person you are arguing with is NOT an
American citizen. He may well be posting from India, itself. He's
probably trying right now to figure out which Indian president you refer
to... More probably, looking at his signature, he's a citizen of the
U.K.... Either way, try to remember that some things are just not that
important to folks who don't live in the U.S.A. Otherwise, I would agree
totally with your assertion that the American consumer cannot be held
responsible for working conditions in India. It is by providing jobs of
any kind that US capitalism will help to raise the standard of living
internationally. Even us good ol' boys in the US started out by working in
horrible conditions...we learned, we rose up together, we overcame. Let
the Indians (and the rest of the third world) do the same.
dwight :()
93 LX 5.0 - another 4 Indian children gone to hell?
Eric Lucas
I'm so glad someone else brought this up. It's is a safety issue. If it
weren't for that, I would say, fine let them have their idiotic puerile toys.
However, the fact that it's impossible to see around/through those damn things
makes it a lot less safe for everyone else. And of course, the idiots that
drive those things don't give a rat's hiney about anyone else's safety.
They're too important to worry about how their actions affect others. I can't
count the number of times that I've been trying to turn from one street to
another (either left or right), and one of those bozos pulls up beside me
because he's too important to wait 5 seconds for me to make my turn. All of
the sudden, I can't see to make my turn. Either I have to wait for the entire
parade of self-important SUV driving idiots to pass me so I can turn safely
(i.e., so I can see), or I have to pull out blindly and hope to hell I don't
get hit.
I saw a sound-bite on TV the other night that implied that the insurance
companies are planning on putting a higher insurance rate on those damn things
because of the fact that they compromise other drivers' safety and thus
increase overall insurance costs. I was very happy to hear that, but I didn't
see the news story. Anyone see it and can confirm this?
Eric Lucas
MB190E wrote:
> Actually, I've got quite another problem with SUV's and Vans alike, namely
> the blocking of forward view of car drivers. Just check it for yourself the
> next time you drive on a busy highway. One tend to, without noticing it,
> look THROUGH the rear and front window of the car in front of you at
> traffic in front, to help you react quicker to possible slowing down of
> traffic, etc. With these high vehicles it is not possible, in your view is
> limited to the SUV/Van right in front of you. It would be interesting to
> know if any statistics prove whether SUVs/Van are more involved in rear-end
> shunts than cars.
>
> Alex Soduk <aso...@neo.lrun.com> wrote in article
> <34454597...@neo.lrun.com>...
> > how trendy, a SUV and kids that play soccer ;^)
> >
> > Eye of the Storm wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:51:34 GMT, Gum...@tamu.edu (Marc) wrote:
> > >
> > > >It's hard to properly merge on an expressway with a 70mph limit on a
> moped.
> > > >You can't take a passenger and a few bags of groceries (or other
> sundries)
> > > >on a moped. I do both at least once a week. How often do people put
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Felix Miata
MB190E wrote:
>
> Actually, I've got quite another problem with SUV's and Vans alike, namely
> the blocking of forward view of car drivers. Just check it for yourself the
> next time you drive on a busy highway. One tend to, without noticing it,
> look THROUGH the rear and front window of the car in front of you at
> traffic in front, to help you react quicker to possible slowing down of
> traffic, etc. With these high vehicles it is not possible, in your view is
> limited to the SUV/Van right in front of you. It would be interesting to
> know if any statistics prove whether SUVs/Van are more involved in rear-end
> shunts than cars.
I would certainly be curious as well. This is my pet driving peeve. The
people who drive these things also tend to drive left of the center of
their lane, so you can't pick up much vision crowding the edge of your
lane. I try to deal with it by passing at the earliest opportunity,
whether I have any interest in going faster or not. I just HATE driving
thus blinded to what's ahead. By looking through the vehicle ahead I
have often found myself hitting the brakes or otherwise reducing speed
before the car in front's brake lights light up.
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Matt
Eric Lucas wrote:
>
> I'm so glad someone else brought this up. It's is a safety issue. If it
> weren't for that, I would say, fine let them have their idiotic puerile toys.
> However, the fact that it's impossible to see around/through those damn things
> makes it a lot less safe for everyone else.
It's the difference in vehicles that make this harder. Remember the
conditioning, diversity is good.
I mean, if everyone was the same height, noone would be called shorty.
If everyone was in SUVs, you'd be back at square one.
> And of course, the idiots that
> drive those things don't give a rat's hiney about anyone else's safety.
> They're too important to worry about how their actions affect others. I can't
> count the number of times that I've been trying to turn from one street to
> another (either left or right), and one of those bozos pulls up beside me
> because he's too important to wait 5 seconds for me to make my turn. All of
> the sudden, I can't see to make my turn. Either I have to wait for the entire
> parade of self-important SUV driving idiots to pass me so I can turn safely
> (i.e., so I can see), or I have to pull out blindly and hope to hell I don't
> get hit.
True, many drive like dicks.
>
> I saw a sound-bite on TV the other night that implied that the insurance
> companies are planning on putting a higher insurance rate on those damn things
> because of the fact that they compromise other drivers' safety and thus
> increase overall insurance costs. I was very happy to hear that, but I didn't
> see the news story. Anyone see it and can confirm this?
While on the one hand this sounds good, it really is the insurance
companies sensationalizing a story to justify another hike. Last months
it was camaros. Get the idea?
SUVs and their drivers on the road represent a challenge; but I don't
think the solution should immediately need to revoke some freedoms of
those who drive them.
One day we'll all be paying $8000 a year insurance and oxygen pollution
tax to drive pushbikes to public transport nodes (the pollution will be
the extra CO2 you put out while exerting yourself, the $8000 insurance
is to cover the mental anguish to someone if you look at then funny
while you're driving). Let's try to keep that date as far back as
possible, as it will effect us all.