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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS  
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(2 users)  More options May 22, 3:57 pm
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From: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <beta...@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:57:56 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 3:57 pm
Subject: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/21/opinion/21friedman.html?hp

(snip)

It baffles me that President Bush would rather go to Saudi Arabia
twice in four months and beg the Saudi king for an oil price break
than ask the American people to drive 55 miles an hour, buy more fuel-
efficient cars or accept a carbon tax or gasoline tax that might
actually help free us from what he called our “addiction to oil.”

-----------------

If the american people had any brains they'd be demanding the 55.  But
the auto industry (which makes a fortune off car crashes) has
brainwashed the idiots into thinking speed is cool


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lorad...@cs.com  
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 More options May 22, 4:15 pm
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From: lorad...@cs.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:15:44 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 4:15 pm
Subject: Re: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit
On May 22, 12:57 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"

If Americans had a choice.. they would buy flex-fuel vehicles, fill
them with emmission neutral american made biofuel (at $1 dollar a
gallon), and drive at the maximum speed limits deemed safe by expert
opinion.

All of these options already exist.


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ChrisCoaster  
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 More options May 22, 4:40 pm
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From: ChrisCoaster <ckozi...@snet.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:40:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit
On May 22, 4:15 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:

> All of these options already exist.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

_____________________
And are being kept hidden by politics.

-CC


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lorad...@cs.com  
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 More options May 22, 4:48 pm
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From: lorad...@cs.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:48:22 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit
On May 22, 1:40 pm, ChrisCoaster <ckozi...@snet.net> wrote:

> On May 22, 4:15 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:

> > All of these options already exist.- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> _____________________
> And are being kept hidden by politics.

> -CC

And a big 'YEP' to that..

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Demon-KKKrats are Hate-Filled Marxists  
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 More options May 22, 4:57 pm
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From: Demon-KKKrats are Hate-Filled Marxists <talkradiotruth...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:57:41 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit
On May 22, 4:40 pm, ChrisCoaster <ckozi...@snet.net> wrote:

> On May 22, 4:15 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:

> > All of these options already exist.- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -

> _____________________
> And are being kept hidden by politics.

> -CC

Prove it.

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Steven L.  
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 More options May 22, 6:11 pm
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From: "Steven L." <sdlit...@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:11:09 -0400
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit

Not where I live.  Even if I owned a flex-fuel vehicle *today*, I
couldn't fill it with ethanol because none of the filling stations in my
locale carry ethanol.

The major problem with ethanol is that it's just not as energy-rich as
gasoline.  Expect about a 20% decrease in fuel economy over gasoline.
It would also require major modifications to the existing oil
distribution system to handle ethanol.

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Steven L.
Email:  sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.


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tankfixer  
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 More options May 22, 9:02 pm
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From: tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.comm>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:02:20 -0700
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit
In article <a2c1a2c7-04ee-465f-a6a2-
1634b4a0e...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, beta...@earthlink.net
says...

It baffles me that you can't figure out how to drive 55 mph if you want
to.

--

"Oh Norman, listen!  The loons are calling!"
   - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond"


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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS  
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 More options May 22, 10:28 pm
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From: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <beta...@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:28:14 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit
On May 22, 7:02 pm, tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.comm> wrote:

> It baffles me that you can't figure out how to drive 55 mph if you want
> to.

Hey stupid.  I can drive 55 just fine.  But me doing it by myself
won't lower gas prices, you moron!!!

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS  
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From: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <beta...@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:30:10 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 10:30 pm
Subject: Re: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit
On May 22, 2:15 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:

> If Americans had a choice.. they would buy flex-fuel vehicles, fill
> them with emmission neutral american made biofuel (at $1 dollar a
> gallon), and drive at the maximum speed limits deemed safe by expert
> opinion.

> All of these options already exist.

You idiot.  There is no maximum safe speed limit.  No matter what the
limit is, we'll always have some highway crashes.

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 More options May 22, 10:41 pm
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From: Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 03:41:33 +0100
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 10:41 pm
Subject: Re: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit

lorad...@cs.com wrote:
> fill them with emmission neutral american made biofuel (at $1 dollar a
> gallon)

You're barking mad if you think you can make bio-fuels for $1 a gallon !

Graham


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 More options May 22, 10:43 pm
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From: Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 03:43:57 +0100
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Subject: Re: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit

"Steven L." wrote:
> The major problem with ethanol is that it's just not as energy-rich as
> gasoline.

Correct.

> Expect about a 20% decrease in fuel economy over gasoline.
> It would also require major modifications to the existing oil
> distribution system to handle ethanol.

This is all moot if instead the feedstock is used to make butanol which is as
near as dammit a direct gasoline replacement. Du Pont and Shell have been
working on this and have a trial plant now in the UK.

Graham


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 More options May 22, 10:46 pm
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From: Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 03:46:07 +0100
Local: Thurs, May 22 2008 10:46 pm
Subject: Re: NYT columnist calls for return to 55 mph speed limit

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:

> You idiot.  There is no maximum safe speed limit.  No matter what the
> limit is, we'll always have some highway crashes.

As you also will at LOW speeds. People stop concentrating on their driving
when they think they're safe (they're not) by driving slowly. It's a
classic example of a sense of false security. You can be killed in a 30
mph crash too.

Graham


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