Old Russian? German? Motorbike
NotSure
Make/model of this motorbike?
http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100821-kaunas-war/n20100821_134646.html
could well be 1930s ...
Radbert Grimmig
>http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100821-kaunas-war/n20100821_134646.html
>
>could well be 1930s ...
Resembles a NSU OSL 501
http://www.motorradwallpaper.de/Galerie/d/7766-2/NSU-OSL_501_Bj_1937_1_.jpg
The engine looks different though. It might be a Horex Imperator twin
in an NSU chassis, but I'm guessing.
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Radbert
NotSure
It has the double fork of an NSU, but it different.
I could be anything.. Lithuania was german until 1918, then
independent.
the photo is probably from before the russians occupied Lithuanian
territory
in 1940...
hence...
it could be a polish, german, or russian motorbike.
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> >http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100821-kaunas-war/n20100821_134...
>
> It has the double fork of an NSU, but it different.
That's called a "girder" fork. They were very common.
> it could be a polish, german, or russian motorbike.
Also, Motosacoche was a Swiss company that licensed motorcycles
resembling NSU's that were sold all over Europe and Britain.
NotSure
> Also, Motosacoche was a Swiss company that licensed motorcycles
> resembling NSU's that were sold all over Europe and Britain.
cool! I googled, and yes...looks similar!
BUT NO CIGAR!! I have been looking at IZH Dnjepr and others, nothing
even close.
Lots of british bikes with girder fork (Parallelogramm-Gabel in
german !!?)
After a big search I think it might be a TORNAX
pictures:
http://miscellaneous-sonstiges.blogspot.com/2010/09/which-motorbike-is-this.html
There are more candidates ... What do you think?
paul c
Is that a polar bear painted on the door of the truck behind the bike?
Maybe that might identify the army involved?
NotSure
http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100821-kaunas-war/n20100821_134646.html
POSSIBLE MATCHES:
http://miscellaneous-sonstiges.blogspot.com/2010/09/which-motorbike-is-this.html
> Is that a polar bear painted on the door of the truck behind the bike?
> Maybe that might identify the army involved
well spotted! The photo is almost certainly from Lithuania, between
1925 and 1935.
The army would be the national lithuanian one.
The Older Gentleman
"The bear is an ancient symbol of Samogitia, one of the regions of
Lithuania, and appears in the coat of arms of Siauliai district as
well."
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Symbols_of_Lithuania
Looks like you're right.
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J. Anderson
"NotSure" <DoNotRe...@gmx.net> wrote in message
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Very likely, but it can not be a polar bear. It's probably the white bull of
Kaunas:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kasp_kauno_rinktine.jpg
Kaunas was at that time the temporary capital of Lithuania (Vilnius being
occupied by the Poles).
Tadas Blinda
> >> Is that a polar bear painted on the door of the truck behind the bike?
> >between 1925 and 1935. The army would be the national Lithuanian one.
> It's probably the white bull of
> Kaunas:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kasp_kauno_rinktine.jpg
> Kaunas was at that time the temporary capital of Lithuania (Vilnius being
> occupied by the Poles).
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs
Introduction:
Aurochs
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Not to be confused with Wisent.
Aurochs
Fossil range: Late Pliocene to Holocene
Copy of a painting of an Aurochs owned by a merchant in Augsburg in
the 19th century. The original probably dates to the 16th century.
Conservation status
Extinct (1627) (IUCN 3.1)[1]
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Artiodactyla
Family: Bovidae
Subfamily: Bovinae
Genus: Bos
Species: †B. primigenius
Binomial name
†Bos primigenius
Subspecies
Bos primigenius primigenius
(Bojanus, 1827)
Bos primigenius namadicus
(Falconer, 1859)
Bos primigenius mauretanicus
(Thomas, 1881)
Synonyms
Bos mauretanicus Thomas, 1881
Bos namadicus Falconer, 1859
The aurochs or urus (Bos primigenius), the ancestor of domestic
cattle, was a type of huge wild cattle which inhabited Europe, Asia
and North Africa, but is now extinct; it survived in Europe until
1627.
The aurochs was far larger than most modern domestic cattle with a
shoulder height of 2 metres (6.6 ft) and weighing 1,000 kilograms
(2,200 lb). Domestication of bovines occurred in several parts of the
world at roughly the same time, about 8,000 years ago. It was regarded
as a challenging quarry animal, contributing to its extinction.
The last recorded aurochs, a female, died in 1627 in the Jaktorów
Forest Poland, and its skull is now the property of Livrustkammaren in
Stockholm.
Aurochs appear in prehistoric cave paintings, Julius Caesar's The
Gallic War and as the national symbol of many European countries,
states and cities such as Alba-Iulia, Kaunas, Romania, Moldavia,
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, and Uri.
In 1920, the Heck brothers, who were German biologists, attempted to
recreate aurochs. The resulting cattle are known as Heck cattle or
Reconstructed Aurochs, and number in the thousands in Europe today.
However, they are genetically and physiologically distinct from
aurochs. The Heck brothers' aurochs also have a pale yellow dorsal
stripe, instead of white.
NotSure
Any more guesses WHICH MOTORBIKE?
http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100821-kaunas-war/n20100821_134646.html
ONE OF THESE?
http://miscellaneous-sonstiges.blogspot.com/2010/09/which-motorbike-is-this.html
I am stumped.
The Older Gentleman
<snip>
>
> I am stumped.
OK, I'm not sure it's a twin, actually. That appears to be a single
downtube frame, and the visible cylinder is mounted right behind it, on
the centre line. The finning on the right-hand "cylinder" does not go
down so far. It may be something else - not a cylinder.
Vertical twins were incredibly rare pre-war. There was Triumph and....
what else?
It's much much more likely to be a single.
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The
Older Gentleman) saying something like:
>OK, I'm not sure it's a twin, actually. That appears to be a single
>downtube frame, and the visible cylinder is mounted right behind it, on
>the centre line. The finning on the right-hand "cylinder" does not go
>down so far. It may be something else - not a cylinder.
That's possibly finning over the exhaust port and it rings a bell with
me. Fecked if I can recall what on, though.
Jaksa
wrote:
Ah soo!
Occupied Vilnius, my ass!
Lithuanian speaking population in Wilno (Vilnius) at about 1.6% in 1916
(German military authorities estimates) and the city occupied by Poles.
Joseph Goebbels would be truly proud of you, my son!
Jaksa
Oily
"The Older Gentleman" wrote:
> NotSure wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >
> > I am stumped.
>
> OK, I'm not sure it's a twin, actually. That appears to be a single
> downtube frame, and the visible cylinder is mounted right behind it, on
> the centre line. The finning on the right-hand "cylinder" does not go
> down so far. It may be something else - not a cylinder.
>
> Vertical twins were incredibly rare pre-war. There was Triumph and....
> what else?
>
> It's much much more likely to be a single.
>
I'm sure it's a big sidevalve single and that's just finning on the exhaust
port. It's also got a narrow ribbed crankcase, too narrow for a twin.
Definitely a flathead, possibly aluminium and '40s I'd say. Forks look like
old Norton 16H
NotSure
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> finning over the exhaust port
Ta!
OILY wrote
> a big sidevalve single
> just finning on the exhaust port.
> It's also got a narrow ribbed crankcase,
> too narrow for a twin.
> Definitely a flathead, possibly aluminium
> and '40s I'd say. Forks look like old Norton 16H
Thanks for that!!
The photo is almost cetainly
1930s unoccupied Kaunas in Lithuania.
HDR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HRD_Motorcycles
has such distinctive finning...
HDR 70 600 engine??
http://miscellaneous-sonstiges.blogspot.com/2010/09/lithuanian-motorbike-mystery-part-2.html
scroll down to where it says:
"Here is the JAP engine inside of an HDR - HD70"
So, a single 500 or 600cc ??
I keep finding more makers and models from that era.
Fascinating time the 1930s... very industrious
OK Supreme.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Ok_Supreme_500_cc_1930.jpg
the headlight shape looks like a Sarolea
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Sarolea_B_31_350_cc_1931.jpg
Presumably there is a chance that it is NOT an english JAP motor?
Pip Luscher
<martin...@nospambtconnect.com> wrote:
>I'm sure it's a big sidevalve single and that's just finning on the exhaust
>port.
That's what I thought
> It's also got a narrow ribbed crankcase, too narrow for a twin.
Didn't notice that.
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-Pip
NotSure
OK, everyone... Here a CONTEST.
WHAT MODEL/MAKE is this Motorcycle?
http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100821-kaunas-war/n20100821_134646.html
(photo was taken approx early-mid 1930s in Kaunas, Lithuania)
You are getting points for
05 - correct country of manufacture of the engine
10 - correct country of manufacture of the bike
15 - correct company name
20 - correct model
25 - correct year of manufacture
Any suggestions what the 1st 2nd and 3rd prices could be?