Question about Samson C01 condensor mic
Doc
and an Audio Technica MB4000C, a small diaphragm condensor. I've been
using the SM-58 for trumpet, the AT for vocals and guitar sampling to
make a midi instrument, running them through a Presonus Blue Tube mic
preamp and Alesis Nanocompressor.
Just for grins I got an inexpensive large diaphragm condensor mic I
saw advertised in the Sam Ash flyer I got, actually the first time
I've ever bought something due to a flyer. It's a Samson C01.
It seems to me to be a quantum leap over either of the other
previously described mics. It gives what appears to be double the gain
at a given setting on the mic preamp, therefore allowing infinitely
quiter recordings. The guitar sounds great on it. The vocal just
sounds better, has more of what I'd call "fullness", even without any
eq'ing. I also find the trumpet gets picked up better, gives a truer
trumpet sound. Also, I can blast away and it just seems to yawn at me
and say "is that all you got?".
I have to say I'm really happy with this mic. However, it would seem
obvious that at $69 on sale, (lists for about $150 I think), obviously
it can't be considered a high end mic. So, what's going to be the
difference between this mic and a $500 or $6000 or $15,000 mic?
Scott Dorsey
>
>Just for grins I got an inexpensive large diaphragm condensor mic I
>saw advertised in the Sam Ash flyer I got, actually the first time
>I've ever bought something due to a flyer. It's a Samson C01.
It's a Shanghai mike.
>It seems to me to be a quantum leap over either of the other
>previously described mics. It gives what appears to be double the gain
>at a given setting on the mic preamp, therefore allowing infinitely
>quiter recordings. The guitar sounds great on it. The vocal just
>sounds better, has more of what I'd call "fullness", even without any
>eq'ing. I also find the trumpet gets picked up better, gives a truer
>trumpet sound. Also, I can blast away and it just seems to yawn at me
>and say "is that all you got?".
It has a higher output. If you had a better mike preamp, this would not
be an advantage at all (and in fact you would find this mike is noisier
than the SM-58), but with a cheap mike preamp where most of the noise is
coming from the preamp, you'll find a higher output mike is a big advantage.
>I have to say I'm really happy with this mic. However, it would seem
>obvious that at $69 on sale, (lists for about $150 I think), obviously
>it can't be considered a high end mic. So, what's going to be the
>difference between this mic and a $500 or $6000 or $15,000 mic?
It's a substantial difference.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
s76fitz
2 weeks ago
$ 59.95 US Dollars plus tax
HiC
> Doc <docsa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I have to say I'm really happy with this mic. However, it would seem
> >obvious that at $69 on sale, (lists for about $150 I think), obviously
> >it can't be considered a high end mic. So, what's going to be the
> >difference between this mic and a $500 or $6000 or $15,000 mic?
>
> It's a substantial difference.
I've been reading through old posts and see there's a lot of animosity
toward the Sam Ash chain. I wasn't aware of some of these issues.
They're the closest to where I am though there are Discount Music,
Mars, Musicians Superstore a little further down the road. Are you
familiar with any of these and are they any better?
Scott Dorsey
I know nothing about Sam Ash.
I know the Mars chain varies radically from store to store... the one
in Norfolk VA is great, with people who actually know the products.
The one near Baltimore is just terrible, with deafeningly loud noise
and rude staff.
I _do_ know something about crappy microphones, though. Don't buy
crappy microphones. Don't buy them from any vendor, no matter what
the name on the sign is. And if you can't audition a mike properly,
you can't record yourself in the store or take the mike home on loan
for a couple days, don't buy there because they aren't treating you
seriously.
Ty Ford
wrote:
>I know nothing about Sam Ash.
Hi Scott,
A bit fuzzy this AM , but I"m remembering some link betweeen Behringer and
Sam Ash/Samson.
Regards,
Ty
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Harvey Gerst
>In Article <afkubp$hco$1...@panix2.panix.com>, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
>wrote:
>>I know nothing about Sam Ash.
>
>Hi Scott,
>
>A bit fuzzy this AM , but I"m remembering some link betweeen Behringer and
>Sam Ash/Samson.
Ty,
At one point, Sam Ash/Samson was the Behringer distributor for the US, just as
GC is the U.S. distributor for the Oktavas. The big difference is that Samson
sold to other stores.
Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/
Doc
> >
> >Just for grins I got an inexpensive large diaphragm condensor mic I
> >saw advertised in the Sam Ash flyer I got, actually the first time
> >I've ever bought something due to a flyer. It's a Samson C01.
>
> It's a Shanghai mike.
>
I assume that means an inexpensive mic made in China to low quality
specs? Have you actually heard or tested this particular mic or just
extrapolating that "they're all the same"? Just to advise, I'm not
being defensive, I don't have any emotinal investment in it, just
curious. I can't find any comparisons, reviews, nuthin' about the mic
other than their website.
Also, the frequency performance chart shows 2 different lines, why
would this be?
Do you (or anyone else) know of any reviews?
Robert Blank
different charactaristics (presence, depth, or distortion, for example)
and a mike that has a certain quality is a good mic if you want that
quality.
The 'good mics' of the past had very severe and definite 'qualities' to
them but due to the 'classic'-ization of everyhting old, these mics now
have a cachet to them that makes them desireable. This new mic is a
great bargain and it is very very good - I own 2.
The only difference is the SOUND.
Scott Dorsey
>klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in message news:<affeuj$t7j$1...@panix2.panix.com>...
>> Doc <docsa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Just for grins I got an inexpensive large diaphragm condensor mic I
>> >saw advertised in the Sam Ash flyer I got, actually the first time
>> >I've ever bought something due to a flyer. It's a Samson C01.
>>
>> It's a Shanghai mike.
>>
>I assume that means an inexpensive mic made in China to low quality
>specs? Have you actually heard or tested this particular mic or just
>extrapolating that "they're all the same"?
I mean that it is a microphone made in the Feilo microphone factory in
Shanghai. They make one capsule design, which is a U87 knockoff. Importers
can order one of two capsule variations and one of two electronics
variations, and then some options (like the internal bass cut switch,
etc.). But they are basically all the same. I have tested over three
hundred, rebadged by different manufacturers.
Some of the folks reselling OEMed Shanghai mikes have gone very far out
of their way to cull the worst of them and to get better quality from
the OEM. Some of them have made proprietary aftermarket changes (Marshall
is perhaps the best example of this). Some have done nothing but take
stock production from the factory container and put their label on it
(and Samson is in that category).
>Just to advise, I'm not
>being defensive, I don't have any emotinal investment in it, just
>curious. I can't find any comparisons, reviews, nuthin' about the mic
>other than their website.
It's a Shanghai mike, pretty much like all the rest of the Shanghai factory
production. If you do a search on "Shanghai mike" on this group, you will
find a lot of comment about the different names these mikes show up under.
>Also, the frequency performance chart shows 2 different lines, why
>would this be?
It should say. Probably for the two different patterns, although it's good
to see on-axis and off-axis plots as well. In reality none of these charts
can be believed because neither the factory nor most of the importers have
the facilities to make proper measurements on them.
>Do you (or anyone else) know of any reviews?
If you look at my microphone retrofit article in the February or January
Recording, I just about sixty different names that the same microphone
is sold as. You can look for review of those too.