Eggcarton Question!
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LarrySB
>What is the benifit of putting eggcartons on home studio walls? Does it
>actually do anything?!
Ok top ten benefits of egg cartons on the walls?
Gives the roaches a place to hide.
Makes a great first impression.
You feel like real perfeshonal sound guy, like that DJ on the old Hee-Haw show.
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>
> What is the benifit of putting eggcartons on home studio walls? Does it
> actually do anything?!
As best as I can determine, egg cartons soak up a little bit of sound,
and provide a bit of diffusion, but only at high frequencies. I had
tons of them back when I was in high school, and the only benefit I
recall is that it made the cymbals sound a bit less harsh in a small
room.
Unless you treat them chemically, they're a major fire hazard, which
offsets any benefit they might provide.
Peter Hawken
In very general terms, the thicker a material is, the better it is at
absorbing low frequencies. As Bill points out, egg cartons are great at
8KHz and upwards. There is very little benefit in anything that is less
than 3 - 4 inches thick for broad spectrum absorbtion. That's why
acoustic foam comes in thick tiles rather than egg carton thickness.
Nik Tembe
>What is the benifit of putting eggcartons on home studio walls? Does it
>actually do anything?!
>
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No.
Nik Tembe
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Bobby
nothing?
do you mean no positive effects..... :)
Bobby
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Bobby wrote:
> In article <6st4nl$flf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, ad...@getnet.com writes
> >What is the benifit of putting eggcartons on home studio walls? Does it
> >actually do anything?!
>
> No.
It makes your studio look ugly. It may even potentially create more of a
fire hazard. And I imagine that it makes the sound slightly less
reververant if you have live-sounding walls. It does basically nothing for
"sound proofing".--
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| Ok top ten benefits of egg cartons on the walls?
|
| Gives the roaches a place to hide.
|
| Makes a great first impression.
|
| You feel like real perfeshonal sound guy, like that DJ on the old Hee-Haw show.
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LOL! :-)
That reminds me of a story. When I was a teenager in Berkeley I lived
in a communal house with a band called Bebe K'Roche, The Berkeley
Women's Music Collective. We rehearsed in the living room and the
drummer decided we should soundproof the room by lining it with egg
cartons. So she ate eggs like crazy for a week and had maybe five egg
cartons on the walls before she decided she was going to become a
vegan.
You haven't lived until you've been the lead guitar player in a
political feminist rock and roll band. We would have these long
debates at rehearsals about whether it was politically acceptable to
have solos or were we just mimicking androcentric male ego trips.
Kiira
Mike Rivers
> What is the benifit of putting eggcartons on home studio walls?
It keeps them out of the landfill. Those styrofoam cartons have a
half life longer than uranium.
> Does it
> actually do anything?!
Impresses the visitors. Acoustically, they're pretty useless unless
you never record anything below about 5 kHz.
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SRF7
politically acceptable to have solos or >were we just mimicking androcentric
male ego trips.
>Kiira
I played bass for a while in an "art" band... nobody tuned... everything was a
solo (sorta)... the "pieces" had no beginning middle or end. It taught me a
lot about improvisation, but christ did it get boring.
Thank god I never had to go into the studio with those jokers.
Scott R. Foster
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David
>What is the benifit of putting eggcartons on home studio walls? Does it
>actually do anything?!
>
>-adam
>No.
>
>Nik Tembe
>I design electronics for Klark Teknik, Midas and DDA
Well, Nik, strictly speaking, that's not a great answer. He wasn't
asking if you thought it was a good idea.
Putting a bunch of egg crates up in a room DOES provide some high
frequency attenuation. Generally, this sort of treatment does not
offer much in the way of improvement, though, since most acoustic
issues are more full spectrum.
Adam, have a look at www.mcs.net/~malcom, or any other of a number of
good acoustics texts for some useful information on room treatment.
--David Perrault
Mike Rivers
> That reminds me of a story. When I was a teenager in Berkeley I lived
> in a communal house with a band called Bebe K'Roche
I remember that band!
> drummer decided we should soundproof the room by lining it with egg
> cartons. So she ate eggs like crazy for a week and had maybe five egg
> cartons on the walls before she decided she was going to become a
> vegan.
That reminds me of another story. When I was in 7th grade, I was
pretty active in amateur radio, and I had a school pal who also had a
license, so we did a lot of projects together. About that time, QST
magazine published an article on how to build a 40 meter vertical
antenna by soldering together about 150 beer cans, (this was back
before aluminum cans) and we decided that since he had a good sized
back yard and liked to work 40 meter CW, we'd build one. Now, just
how would two 13 year olds come up with 150 beer cans when neither of
our families drank more than maybe a six pack a year? Well, his
mother worked in downtown Washington (where there are plenty of beer
cans lying on the street) so every day for a week, she'd come home on
the bus with a shopping bag full of (nearly) empty beer cans that she
picked up outside her office. By the weekend we had enough to spend
all day Saturday soldering, and had the antenna up and on the air
Sunday.
> You haven't lived until you've been the lead guitar player in a
> political feminist rock and roll band. We would have these long
> debates at rehearsals about whether it was politically acceptable to
> have solos or were we just mimicking androcentric male ego trips.
Sounds like Berkely all right. A friend of mine there just told me
that his local Carribean restaurant was now serving jerk tofu.
Bill
>
> ... We rehearsed in the living room and the
> drummer decided we should soundproof the room by lining it with egg
> cartons. So she ate eggs like crazy for a week and had maybe five egg
> cartons on the walls before she decided she was going to become a
> vegan.
I guess I was lucky -- we had this guitarist who had a job in a deli,
and he'd take home a few dozen of the big square egg-cartons each week.
Eventually, we had hundreds of the things.
David L Moore
>
> What is the benifit of putting eggcartons on home studio walls? Does it
> actually do anything?!
You need never go hungry again!
Just make sure you change the eggs every two weeks.
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Yeah... I work at a place that uses 12" by 12" cartons and take home like 3 a
day! In all actuality, they have made me Cymbals sound smoother and my guitar
a little "less harsh".
GrapeApe
>> > drummer decided we should soundproof the room by lining it with egg
>> > cartons. So she ate eggs like crazy for a week and had maybe five egg
>> > cartons on the walls before she decided she was going to become a
>> > vegan.
>>
>> I guess I was lucky -- we had this guitarist who had a job in a deli,
>> and he'd take home a few dozen of the big square egg-cartons each week.
>> Eventually, we had hundreds of the things.
>Yeah... I work at a place that uses 12" by 12" cartons and take home like 3 a
>day! In all actuality, they have made me Cymbals sound smoother and my >guitar
>a little "less harsh".
If you actually want the things, a call to a local egg supplier in the yellow
pages should be helpful, they will often be more than happy to sell you the
things without eggs if they are not willing to just give them to you gratis.
ScotFraser
political feminist rock and roll band. We would have these long
debates at rehearsals about whether it was politically acceptable to
have solos or were we just mimicking androcentric male ego trips.>>
Reaffirms my longstanding belief that when art & politics are mixed, the
politics survive unscathed while the art invariably just sucks. Picasso's
"Guernica" is a notable exception. BTW, even forming a rock & roll band is
mimicking androcentric male ego trips, so I wouldn't worry about a few
gratuitous 10 minute screaming guitar soloes in the middle of every song.
Sheesh, what were you all thinking?
Scott Fraser
J. Belton McClure
scotf...@aol.com (ScotFraser) wrote:
> Reaffirms my longstanding belief that when art & politics are mixed, the
> politics survive unscathed while the art invariably just sucks. Picasso's
> "Guernica" is a notable exception. BTW, even forming a rock & roll band is
> mimicking androcentric male ego trips, so I wouldn't worry about a few
> gratuitous 10 minute screaming guitar soloes in the middle of every song.
> Sheesh, what were you all thinking?
>
> Scott Fraser
LOL! Scott, you're *exactly* right! The whole point of the womens (womyns)
music movement was to separate themselves from "cock-rock." An electric guitar
was considered a phallic extension. That's why 99.9% of womens music was
folk. Folk was considered earthy, organic, maternal, etc...
Of course, that was the old way of thinking. Now there's groups like
Tribe8 out there. :)
Belton
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>and dammit, they make me feel good!
Bobby wrote:
I am the Eggman.. koo koo kachoo
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Kiira Triea
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| <<You haven't lived until you've been the lead guitar player in a
| political feminist rock and roll band. We would have these long
| debates at rehearsals about whether it was politically acceptable to
| have solos or were we just mimicking androcentric male ego trips.>>
|
| Reaffirms my longstanding belief that when art & politics are mixed, the
| politics survive unscathed while the art invariably just sucks. Picasso's
| "Guernica" is a notable exception. BTW, even forming a rock & roll band is
| mimicking androcentric male ego trips, so I wouldn't worry about a few
| gratuitous 10 minute screaming guitar soloes in the middle of every song.
| Sheesh, what were you all thinking?
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Well I don't know what they were thinking but I definately wanted to
play more over the top than they could handle... my influences being
Hendrix and Roy Buchanon and all. They were very impressed by this
ability but I just didn't fit in. I was 17 and I didn't *care* if
solos were androcentric or not I just wanted to crank up the 50 watt
plexi and punch in my Univox Super-Fuzz and ruin my hearing. I'd been
playing since I was 11 and gigging since I was 15 and I was obsessive
about practicing. I think I was ahead of my time truthfully, I hadn't
even heard of April Lawton. The next band I played in was a
Latin/Funk/hard rock bunch in Philadelphia with a horn section. Woo
woo!
Bebe K'Roche did a record on Olivia. I'm glad I wasn't around because
it sucks. I would *much* rather have played in Alice Stewart's band
(they called themselve's something like "Alice Stewart's Colored
Band"). They were way cool!
Kiira
Scott Dorsey
>
>Well I don't know what they were thinking but I definately wanted to
>play more over the top than they could handle... my influences being
>Hendrix and Roy Buchanon and all. They were very impressed by this
>ability but I just didn't fit in. I was 17 and I didn't *care* if
>solos were androcentric or not I just wanted to crank up the 50 watt
>plexi and punch in my Univox Super-Fuzz and ruin my hearing. I'd been
>playing since I was 11 and gigging since I was 15 and I was obsessive
>about practicing.
I just want to say that one of the most impressive, least androcentric,
and most arousing performances I have ever seen was a rather muscular
older woman in a leather jacket, doing covers like _The Wanderer_ and
similar fifties songs that started out demeaning to women but in her
hands turned into something quite different. I do wonder where Mara
is these days....
--scott
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>
> I have cardboard eggcartons (you know,, the square flats) on the wall, and
> dammit, they make me feel good!
>
> Bobby wrote:
>
> > >actually do anything?!
erm......break up standing waves?
How much benefit was there to Live End/Dead End panels? And were there
worth the sonic benfit to install? What about packing foam placed in
the corners and middle of your listening room? or how about just putting
Green Highliter on your newly pressed CD-R to improve IT's dynamic
range?
ScotFraser
<<my influences being
Hendrix and Roy Buchanon and all.>>
Buchanan definitely rules!
<< I was 17 and I didn't *care* if solos were androcentric or not I just wanted
to crank up the 50 watt plexi and punch in my Univox Super-Fuzz and ruin my
hearing.>>
Before we walk too far down the road of ascribing different qualities to
"women's music" & "men's music" I would just relate what a woman drummer who
I've studied Middle Eastern percussion with has said, which is that she
definitely draws upon her testosterone while playing. She also coined the term
"testosterone poisoning" to refer to the macho male drummers who seem to strive
to play louder & faster than everyone else. Both genders have an abundant
chemical mix of complex hormones that can make us do stupid things.
Scott Fraser
Ulysses
wrote:
> I just want to say that one of the most impressive, least androcentric,
> and most arousing performances I have ever seen was a rather muscular
> older woman in a leather jacket, doing covers like _The Wanderer_ and
> similar fifties songs that started out demeaning to women but in her
> hands turned into something quite different. I do wonder where Mara
> is these days....
> --scott
I thought you were talking about joan jett.
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